Finland’s left-wing Prime Minister Sanna Marin conceded defeat in the Nordic country’s parliamentary election as the opposition right-wing National Coalition Party (NCP) claimed victory in a tightly fought contest. #CNN #News
Finland can just be proud that they have a healthy democracy. There are plenty of democracies in the world, but few are truly well functioning and successful
Democracy is a freaking popularity contest. That is the the worst kind of way to chose a leader. Democracies produces two kinds of leaders, either incompetent idiot and weak rulers or demagogues like we see in the west.
Just to be clear, all parties in parliament support helping Ukraine, and our NATO membership (well, Left alliance had 3 MP's who voted against, but 2 of those lost their seat after elections). So that's not going to change. It was mostly about economics. And in Finland, it's really normal for governing party to lose seats, so it's actually really rare that same PM would continue after elections. Parties rotate in power and form new government coalitions after every elections, business as usual, that's how finnish democracy usually works.
I don't follow Finland politics, but this woman must have been aweful as a leader to lose the election if as fake news CNN says, "She is quite popular." You don't lose elections if you're popular. CNN is lying again. What a surprise.
That so many YT commenters are proud to announce that they can't understand that a pretty good characterization of a large group does not necessitate that the characterization applies to every group member, pretty much makes my point.
Finns are not accustomed to following authority, they follow well-functioning systems and not a single person or group. There is no real opposition either, but there are alliances and coalitions. So it is the best and most mature form of democracy.
Consensus democracy without real opposition is not a democracy though. It is just the deep state owning both sides and shuffling them to give the impression there is a balance of power and a real opposition. A true democracy must not have consensus, as that is the appanage of dictatorships.
You probably think in an American two party manner, but most of the countries in the world are run by coalition governments. Her government consisted of five parties. Her party managed to increase their number of seats in the parliament but the remaining four parties lost so many that the coalition did not have an majority in the parliament anymore. Now the party that got the most seats will start to form a new coalition government and that will need cooperation with at lest two other parties too. And her party could be one of those, time will tell. It's never either or like in the USA or Britain, Republicans or Democrats in the USA and Conservatives or Labour in Britain.
she lost because the Conservative way is the ONLY way. The days of anti-business, anti-family, and wokeness garbage from the libtards are over. The days of handouts like healthcare and food for losers are done. We are finally getting our countries and World back. #MAGA
Very accurate for a Finn. However, one thing has to be straightened out: president Niinistö is extremely popular and an important opinion leader, but contrary to what was said, he hardly has any power at all. He cannot guide Finland into NATO unless the government decides to take that path. On the diplomatic level he no doubt achieved much and worked hard, but it is Sanna Marin who runs the government and is the actual leader of the country, even in the NATO issue. The president leads foreign policy, but as a military alliance affects national security and domestic arrangements in the military, the matter belongs to the government. Another person that needs to be mentioned is the minister of foreign affairs, Pekka Haavisto of the Greens party. He may not have been so visible, but has done a lot to bring Finland into NATO.
@@chif25 Finland didn't participate in the siege of Leningrad. We stopped at our old border on the isthmus, even though Germany and the angry mustache man wanted us to help them with it. Mannerheim ordered the military not to proceed
@@SatuSusanna You are fairly alone with your opinion. There is no doubt whatsoever that by leading the government the PM runs the country, and the power of the president is extremely limited.
@@sampohonkala4195 While you are correct that PM holds more power, the other commenter isn't wrong either. The 93 § in the constitution states that the president of Finland leads the foreign policy together in co-operation with the government while the parliament votes on all the treaties and other duties regarding Finland internationally. Military alliances are also just as much foreign policy as they're national security issues.
As a Finn the reason I began to dislike Marin was when she overstepped her boundaries regarding foreign policy and challenging the institution of the President in general
Referring to government debt being relatively somewhat moderate compared to other European countries is a talking point favored by the Finnish left. In the past it used to be that the debt is low compared to others but they've now had to modify the argument to its' present form. Framing the right's argument as being worried of debt is dishonest. The real issue is the enormous budget deficit. Marin's hard left agenda was to do nothing about it.
For American viewers. Our center right wing party would be considered very left in your standards. Nothing in foreign policy will change related to Ukraine or NATO ^^ And changes in leading parties are very common :)
Ye many American viewers likely have no idea how even our most right wing parties would be considered "left wing" parties in US 😂 but SDP, Left Alliance and Green party likely would be seen as "radical left" But ye those especially who think this would have been vote against her for joining NATO are completely wrong because that was never an issue with Finnish ppl, only very small minority here are still against NATO
Few Facts: Marin was never elected to PM. She came in the Back door. She was also The Most expensive PM ever in Finnish history = Had double the amount of assistance due to her lack of knowledge. Unhealthy usage of government funds without any responsibility what-so-ever. Very aggressive towards other political parties and unfit to cooperate. Many heated her guts.
Indeed thats one of the reasons I could never vote for her she blamed National Coalition party and the Finns party and their leaders for many things without much truth/facts behind those accusations. Overall she seemed to me like person without much control over her emotions and temperament. Sure I think she did good enough job with Covid Pandemic and her straightforward comments about Russia/giving aid to Ukraine I can give her credit where its due but she or her party didnt have the answers how to sort out the problems we are facing and how to increase economic growth in Finland. So ye im glad that we are now hopefully getting National Coalition - Finns government that leaves out left wing parties to opposition
@@liisagawley2053yeah and it is the winning partys chairman that becomes prime minister, when they won in 2019 Antti Rinne became prime minister and had to leava after 6 months
As a resident of Finland, I can say that your comments are quite accurate. People in the press sure like to use the term "right wing". You'd almost think that they're biased, in favour of the left, huh? 🤣
@@ahmo2 Finnish Social Democrats are not far left party, they have been in the same goverment with the National Coalition Party (centre-right) quite often. There's far left party called Left Alliance that is the successor of the left-wing Finnish People's Democratic League (SKDL), aka Communists.
We had one PM who lasted for less than 3 months, got caught with a lie on the television and that was that. PMs in a coalition do not have a majority and that helps. Just think about that Brits and Americans.
The Winner (The National Coalition Party: NCP) has always been the biggest NATO-supporter in Finland. NCP: "Finland’s mission to strengthen NATO’s common defence" (they've got many politicians with fantastic military background, for example Jarmo Lindberg is retired Finnish general and former Chief of Defence, he was also a F18-pilot in 90's). NCP is the best option for the US because they're seeking the fair share in NATO (too many NATO-members are leaning to the US and that's not fair for the US-taxpayers). Some lazy NATO-members might regret for ratifying Finland but to the US, it's a jackpot (one more ally to the "fair share"-politics)
@@tsogobauggi8721 Nice joke Lefty, may I wipe your Finnish lefty tear? SDP (Sanna Marin's party) was the comrade of Russia and you know it. SDP is built by the Finnish Reds. Who lobbed the gaspipe and took roubles from Russia? SDP. Leftist parties have always been the biggest anti-NATO parties in Finland + the critics for the "too high" defence budget. SDP politicians even voted for Russia in EU parliament (for example Heinäluoma/SDP who also got a medal: Order Of the Friendship from Putin). This is from the EU's own site: "Political corruption in the EU linked to Russian energy companies" (who's name is there? Just check and tell me)
Most people here in Finland are now for NATO because of Russia's incredible brutality and inhumanity in Ukraine. For decades, and up to the start of the war, only about 25% of Finns were in favor of NATO. Now support is close to 80%, with most of the opposition coming from the far left and far right (for different reasons). Putin has inadvertently done more for NATO than anyone else could possibly have done. As an American who's lived in Finland 28 years I'm encouraged to see several European countries finally stepping up to the plate regarding not letting the US do and pay for so much regarding European defence. Europe has been taking more or less a free ride on the US militarily for many decades now (because they could, mostly), but many here are now seeing the wisdom of being more proactive and spending more, because of the obvious Russian menace. So, thank you Mr. Putin for helping this come about. I sincerely wish that you are rewarded for this by "meeting Jesus" very, very soon - the sooner, the better.
She won but she urged people to vote tactically which led to the other leftist parties getting bad results. The leaders of the smaller parties were quite bitter about it
Her party wont even be in the government. After having been the leading party, you cannot call that a win. Marin is out and thank God she is... Worst PM Finland ever had. Her bad behaviour was forgiven because she is a woman. What a joke..
@@petri2767 This doesn't actually reflect the whole truth. While she did steal some voters, and thus gained grudge from her previous coalition partners. This there was still overwhelming shift to the right. People considered her and her party as too irresponsible and knew that Finland needs to get their fiscal situation in control. This is why Kokoomus won the election. Because they were openly advocating for massive cuts which generally is considered as highly unpopular politics in every country. Finnish people simply knew that we nee to fix our situation before we become debt slaves.
As Finn, it's kinda weird to see fixation of foreign press on Sanna :D To me, and I think most Finnish people she's just one of numerous civil servants. Overall, I do not think people care much about individuals in politics. And franly it's stupid anyways, what matters is policies and laws that are pushed. Dedicating focus on the person is just distraction. For that matter, I don't think there's party loyalty either. At least everyone I know just tunes in to politics before election to choose who to vote and then forgets it.
You have to understand that no one has heard about us ever before couple of years ago and what they soo first was her, she is pretty and can handle her press, that is for sure. So naturally they got hooked to her, can't blame them from that. Also i would add that she isn't just some civil servant from the stock, she became our PM out of the blue straight from the cashier of a grocery store in the worst time of Corona situation, then came the Ukraine war and then NATO membership, on to of that SOTE and all other stuff that our previous incompetent governments left behind for others to fix. She did stellar job concidering all that.
Last time it happened in Finland was in 2007 elections when Centric Party in Finland won elections four 2nd time in row after first becoming largest party in 2003. Ofc the original 2003 PM Anneli Jäätteenmäki had to resign shorly after 2003 elections due to scandal I wont go into details (so called Iraq gate scandal) and Matti Vanhanen became the next PM and he continued to be PM after 2007 elections, though not to the very end of that term. Before that we also had Paavo Lipponen as PM and the SDP winning elections 2 times in row in 1995 and then in 1999
@@mhh7544 nowdays especially yes. Its hard to see same PM continuing more than that 4 years/ 1 term because Finland's political landscape has changed quite a bit from what it was 20-30 years ago
We don't have 70% debt ratio to GDP though, it is bit over 50% which is high but it was not created by our last government where Marin was the PM, it was created by governments before, starting from the 90's and 99% of that time we have had conservative PM. You ought to just be silent if you don't bother to learn what you talk about.
@@duhni4551 No need for you to be rude, especially when you are wrong. The ratio stood at 73% in Dec. 2022. Welcome to NATO, and hopefully Sweden will soon follow! Have a nice day. -Richard in the US
Her Hornet discussion promise was a bit over-revving because those matters need to be first agreed with the relevant domestic instances, but she went completely solo on that, and just before the election. Now with the "loss" in the election it looks even more silly.
Her part increased their seats in the parliament, but in finland we run coalition governments and her coalition parties did not do well. Lost the majority in the parliament. She was all for the 64 new F-35 jets Finland will get.
@@hurri7720 She increased her seats at the expense of the her coalition partners. The votes she got as a plus were not from the opposite side or from the undecided, but from her own partners. While her party gained more votes and seats, her coalition lost votes and seats. I do not get this type of rhetoric. It is like saying hey, this foot grew 3 inches while the other got chopped off 6 inches in exchange.
It wasn't exactly a promise before the political opposition made it into one. Sadly, the last weeks of her campaign she had to fall into a defence form from an otherwise promising situation. The winning conservative party had their odd "blood, sweat and tears" campaign that seems to be what the Finns want for the next few years unless it falls on its face before that.
@KapteeniKuutamo Yes, the same neo-liberal economics that tells the poor to make sacrifices while making the rich richer. In the UK the Tories pushed exactly this in 2010, and their policies resulted in the deficit increasing, but the rich did nicely out of it.
Yep and she didn't loose the vote, her party did. It amazes me how little these news networks knows about us and yet you people let us in NATO, seriously speaking, we could be full blown dictatorship and you guys wouldn't know about it.
@Chad AbercrombieHer overblown popularity is partly the result of sexism, her age and her good looks. A majority of Finns actually care more about real political issues than international instagram fame
@@HerrMikael Partly? Mostly. 90% of her popularity comes from looks. It helps if you look like a supermodel. But it also shows how shallow people and the international media is. Yeah she did an OK job and can speak in a clear, down-to-point manner, but Finland has had similar PMs many times, they just didn't look like her so nobody cared
@@shredd5705 I was trying to be nice. Actually, the voters "chose" a middle aged lying labour union man as the PM, but the sdp, quite smartly, pulled in a young woman instead to fresh up their image. She was second in votes, but originally still the second choice
@Chad Abercrombie Teh frick you're talking about? Finland has gender equal country and has been for pretty much 100-years. We already had female president over decade ago. She lost because her politics were irresponsible and wasn't actually qualified to lead the country.
@@shredd5705 She partied during her working hours. Which is huge no no, and could've lead into huge issues if any disaster had happened at the time. And in fact one did. Not just that but her government had no plans to fix the economy and were actually for increasing spending. She wasn't really competent at her job. She was only replacement for the previous SDP PM and got famous because of her youth. That' why she ended up taking some substances and twerking for teens on instagram.
@@seneca983 Also, the "i" is pronounced as the one in "ski". But I was just being a smart ass, not a know-it-all. As a foreigner who lives in Finland, I can say that one of the few easy things to remember about the language is that the first syllable is always stressed. So, for example, Helsinki is pronounced HELsinki, unlike in English. Other than that, it's a fairly complicated language, with fifteen grammatical cases. But on the bright side, you really only have to know twelve of them for everyday talk, so you can more or less skip the other three, which are rarely used. 😄
Don't count Sanna Marin and her party out yet! Her party SDP won a couple more seats this elections. The winning party National Coalition Party’s could have a hard time forming a government without SDP and some others. IT´s very likely that we may see her again. Because no other party tolerates "pure finns" policys on immigration, language and EU. it's possible in the end that National Coalition Party’s forms with SDP and SFP (Swedish People’s Party). Often they come to their senses. There are seldom big dramas in Finnish politics.
Not happening since the Coalition party wants big budget cuts in the government while SDP strictly opposes any budget cuts. Most likely coalition will be seen between Coalition party, Perussuomalaiset (Normal finns or however you want to translate it) and the centre party.
@@Ho_Lii_Fuk , promising big cuts in spending is so damned easy when in opposition and will give you some extra votes too. But in power it might be a bit more difficult and not politically very clever either. I am not too fond of the "Finns" as most of those are whining about everything and prone to falling for every snake oil salesman in the country, type Nigel Farage. Collective IQ and education probably below the average in the parliament.
@@Ho_Lii_Fuk What I have read the Centre Party have definitely determined to stay in opposition. KOK+PS Have to make big sacrifices to get any of the other partys to work in that form of coalition. I bet in the end that it will be KOK+SDP+SFP and perhaps KD.
What is so bad about the true Finns? Opposing mass immigration is a good thing for Europe. Economically speaking they seem to be center-left. Socially speaking they are conservative. Based on their governing program, they seem to combine the best of both worlds, i.e. tax cuts to combat deficit but maintain the welfare program. Which is why they attracted voters from both the left and right. To me they seem the average blood and soil patriots.
Sanna continue keep going on duty a- s a prime minister of Finland is good- Luck for Finland public All.. keep on d uty of prime minister constantly...
It was the same with Jacinda Ardern, she was more popular outside New Zealand then she was inside New Zealand, that’s one of the reasons why she resigned before the election, her outcome was going to be the same as Marin
It's a bit sad that we don't have this amazing international rock star of a politician as prime minister anymore - but we just can't keep piling up debt upon debt. It's time for more boring leaders. But in a way she well be missed, even by people who wanted change.
She didn't go anywhere, she is still politician and most likely will be PM again too in the future. Also it is not about her that we take debt, or is your memory really that short? We have been piling debt ever since the 90's and every single government has done it. I disagree with you too, we should take the debt but with difference that we don't use it to living but to make more money instead so we don't have to take debt anymore. On top of that, some things should be state owned (through stock markets) so crazy things like electricity costs and transfer costs wouldn't sky rocket when ever some faceless idiot in Germany decides so.
@@duhni4551 I doubt she will be PM ever again. It is still possible but unlikely. She will probably leave Finnish politics completely and do international work, then return to become Finnish President in about 20 years. Most great politicians actually suffer defeats in their careers. One thing I don't see her doing is being content with being a pointless backbencher. Churchill said "we are all worns, but I do believe that I am a glow-worm". Marin is clearly a glow-worm.
@@FortitudineVincimus You mean like this? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T3KvlSDgHx4.html And her husband is at home watch her 3 yr old daughter! Imagine what she and her boyfriend did in the toilet!😂🤣🤣
She didn't lose, her coalition partners did. Her party actually gained 2.2% which is impressive considering her term during 2 of the world's most serious crises since WW2.
@@karlheven8328 Her government lost, so as a prime minister she lost. But her party grew, so as a party leader she was successful. The reason for the government’s loss was clearly her party’s coalition partners. In the elections, every party runs on its own platform. The government is formed after the election, so it could very well be that there would have been a new government after the election even though the pre-election government coalition parties collectively had managed to get a majority in parliament.
@@robinviden9148 Yes, it was as usual a coalition of many parties. There is many parties in the Finnish parliament. Her party gained a little but the other parties in that governing coalition lost too much and opposition parties gained a lot, so her party isn't number one anymore although it gained a little, it's number three now. The upcoming new governing coalition of parties will be a different combination, they need all together to have the majority of the seats in the parliament to make it work. The biggest party gets the prime ministers seat and starts negotiatons to form the new governing coalition of parties.
What makes you think that? Maybe you should learn about our politics before you form such opinions, SDP (Marin's party) and Kokoomus which won the elections are almost one and the same party politically, the differences are extremely minor.
Here in Finland we expect our elected officials to have a certain "dignity" in how they conduct themselves and wild parties are certainly not it. In the eyes of many Finns the elected official is a servant of the people and should put the needs of the people ahead of their own needs, this may mean that they must cut back on some of their private activities.
Ah yes the culture war, where sheeps are told their lions while being led to slauhter. Anyone who participates, regardless of side are idiots. You are an idiot
@@yehimstone5492 Thanks to Sanna Marin, we finns are now WEF-slaves... this witch is a member of YGL - an organization ran 100% by WEF. So unsurprsingly she destroyed our country, and put us in massive debts that we cannot handle, and also joined NATO against our people's will.
What is so special about her that media keep mourning for her? 😂 People made their choice & its clear they don't like her. We should respect the choice of Finnish people the way we respected their choice to join NATO.
Enough of the feminist empowerment and equity. The best candidate for the job and the people have spoken. She’s a pretty face but not the best candidate for the job.
Best candidates newer wins in our elections because we don't vote individuals because the party line prevents all individualism, you should be independent to be able to push through your own agenda. Also i can't imagine anyone else in our government to do the job she did during her period, absolutely no one, and i don't even vote for her party and disagree in many things with her policies.
Greetings from Finland. Quite accurate analysis from your Brussels correspondent. My guess is Sanna will go off and do some international jobs and then come back and try her hand at being Finland's youngest President.
To me it's always very funny how foreign people comment and analyze over things they simply can't quite understand. You comment that "Finns" think like this and therefore voted for something. It's not that simple. Not all Finns think likewise. Marin did not lose the election. It's very typical that Kokoomus wins every now and than.
Most governments spend a great deal during the Covid pandemic to overcome job losses and increased expenditures in public health costs. Sanna Marin is 34 years old? I hope for Finland's sake she comes back to serve again.
Still, her party overspent, by Finnish standards. They spent 40 billion, of which 30 billion was crisis related (Covid, Ukraine, energy crisis) but 10 billion mostly didn't have a solid reasoning. Very careless spending on reforming of the education system. That's the thing with left, they are always prepared to spend other people's money. This was historically the most leftist-green government Finland has ever had, and it shows in their spending. Another big reason right-wing parties won is humanitarian immigration, Finns think it has gone too far and are afraid that we are on the same road as Sweden (Daily gang shootings, bombings)
Because I´m decent man, I don´t write here any key issues about our elections, but all Your conclusion are wrong. Next time come to Finland and ask people, don´t ask left wing reporters.
