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Why Did G-D CREATE Satan if He KNEW He Would Rebel? Rabbi Stuart Federow - 1839 

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@tonithenightowl1836
@tonithenightowl1836 2 месяца назад
My daughter was here so I missed the show. I'm the same age as Rabbi, 71 so I know every song he sings. lol I also know about short term memory loss. Yet I can remember a song about space I learned in the 5th grade. This getting old ain't for sisses. lol Excellent explanation about Sa'tan and Lucifer. Once I learned Sa'tan works for G-d, angels don't have freewill and Lucifer is Venus my whole Christian perspective of a worldly evil entity who battles G-d for our souls ceased to exist. Sin will always be at the door but we have power over it. No devil made you do it. :o)
@User-x5s3x
@User-x5s3x 2 месяца назад
Great answer, Toni! I'm not far behind you at 68 (I can hardly believe it - time seems to have sped up; my oldest daughter is 47 already!)! Have a great Shabbos!! (Janis Hart, from my phone.)
@tonithenightowl1836
@tonithenightowl1836 2 месяца назад
@@User-x5s3x Hello Janis !!! My daughter is 46 and my son 49. Heck, even I can remember being that age. lol I'm telling you a week seems like 3 days to me. It's like the end of a roll of toilet paper. Thanks for the shout out and have a great weekend. Always a pleasure to hear from you. :o)
@hegagi839
@hegagi839 18 дней назад
@tonithenightowl1836, Cherub is an angel. If angels can commit sins, then they have freewill, agreed? Read Ezekial 28:11-19 carefully.
@tonithenightowl1836
@tonithenightowl1836 16 дней назад
@@hegagi839 Who is Ezekial talking to? SON OF MAN not the angels.
@hegagi839
@hegagi839 14 дней назад
@@tonithenightowl1836 You got all your narrative messed up and don't know what you were talking. God called Ezekial "son of man" and and asked him to speak to King of Tyre that he was like a cherub (angel) who sinned against God. God said "You were anointed as a guardian cherub,.....(Eze 28:14) and in Eze 28:15-16, 'You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned " God brought this narrative up to tell us His Cherub sinned against Him. He told Ezekial to tell the King of Tyre that his sin is just as bad as the cherub. Why did Chreub sin against God? God must have given him a freewill to choose good or bad like human.
@MikeHoughtonasUnit8720
@MikeHoughtonasUnit8720 2 месяца назад
Because he did not rebel. That is a Christian lie
@johnpetry5321
@johnpetry5321 2 месяца назад
The rebelling angels story comes to 1st Century Jews from the Babylonian and Persian myths that had percolated into Greco-Roman society. Basically the same myths that were important on the formation of Zoroastrianism. The non-canonical Book of Enoch has a considerable amount of this in it. Judaism rejected it as contrary to the Torah. Christians embraced it and blended it right into their dogma. It is a highly dualistic system and despite Christians dancing around that issue and claiming they are not dualistic, they are.
@LutherBandross
@LutherBandross 2 месяца назад
@@johnpetry5321 Very well put
@deanlangenfeld495
@deanlangenfeld495 2 месяца назад
He rebelled by showing mankind the fruit that would give him eyesight. He was not merciful to Job in any way. It isn't that he wants us to succeed but rather that Hashem wants us to outdo his mischief. Satan only exists to make things more efficient.
@ancesthntr
@ancesthntr 2 месяца назад
The Satan exists to do what God wants him to do, period. The idea that a creation of God could somehow battle Him (let alone defeat Him) is absurd and blasphemous in Judaism, the original monotheistic religion. Christianity believes otherwise, and is thus non-monotheistic.
@MikeHoughtonasUnit8720
@MikeHoughtonasUnit8720 2 месяца назад
@ancesthntr exactly. he us one of God's angels. he just gets the job to give us a choice
@boo-ix
@boo-ix 2 месяца назад
Watched twice. Thought I knew this subject but learned a great deal about this subject. Thanks so much!
@hegagi839
@hegagi839 18 дней назад
Isa 45:7 according to Jewish translation,"I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil(ra ,רָ֑ע )..." God hates evil (Deu 4:25, 31:18, 1 Sam 15:19, 1 Kings 22:18, Psa 34:13, etc) yet the Jewish translation for Isa 45:7 says God creates evil. It doesn't sound right and it didn't make sense. Ra ,רָ֑ע has many other translations. Ra can be translated as bad, displease, ill, sore, harm, sad, grevious besides evil. Deu13:5 "...You must purge the evil from among you.” How do you purge evil when you said God created evil?
@hegagi839
@hegagi839 7 дней назад
Yeah. Have you thought about this? "Why Did G-D CREATE Man if He KNEW He Would Rebel? .
@Dreznik88
@Dreznik88 2 месяца назад
Right why Would G-d have to battle his own creation he conquers all
@LP-MeAndMyShadow
@LP-MeAndMyShadow 2 месяца назад
@Dreznik88 God doesn't battle his own creation. You are correct. The key is to whom we give praise. If I fall, but it teaches me to walk, praise Hashem. All things work together for God's glory and praise. Even in Job, Satan had to ask his SUPERVISOR for permission, and he was given rules to obey.
@hegagi839
@hegagi839 17 дней назад
God created all good things. He gave both angels and man a freewill as he didn't want a robot. Angel (Cherub) chose to sin (Ezekial 28:11-19 ) . In turn, fallen angels appearing as serpent tricked man to sin.. God said he regretted he created man (Gen 6:6).
@efrengamboa1779
@efrengamboa1779 2 месяца назад
In Ezekiel 28: 1-20 God warns the king and the Prince of Tyre of their deaths and why they are going to die.
@andrewstarke5049
@andrewstarke5049 2 месяца назад
Milk and Honey "Hallelujah" should be your song!
@Tovo-XV5
@Tovo-XV5 Месяц назад
UP, UP TO THE BATTLEMENTS OF ETERNITY. UP, UP, TO GOD!☝️❤️👑✝️🕊️
@Tonibolognaaintnophony
@Tonibolognaaintnophony 2 месяца назад
I so appreciate the explanation from a Jew rather than a Christian when understanding the time before Jesus (or Paul) came into the picture. So sad to know how messed up translations have created such havoc, seperation & death with others & more importantly, Hashem. May we seek, find & live the truth through learning from the Tanach & sources such as these 🙏
@jf5177
@jf5177 2 месяца назад
In Hebrew just because a word ends in “-im” as in Elohim doesn’t mean it’s plural. Some neutral nouns have a “-im” ending.
@stevens8490
@stevens8490 16 дней назад
Satan is not running around doing whatever he wants to do. God control everything including Satan.
@rivkier7214
@rivkier7214 2 месяца назад
satan is an obstaclehashem created evil without good and evil there would be no free will
@bookmouse2719
@bookmouse2719 2 месяца назад
The answer is 42 , that's funny Rabbi.
@backhoesmashes3862
@backhoesmashes3862 2 месяца назад
That’s like asking why did he create man since he knew we would rebel. His ways are higher than ours,
@efrengamboa1779
@efrengamboa1779 2 месяца назад
I have always heard that Satan means enemy, and in the Bible God has plenty of enemies.
@brynawaldman5790
@brynawaldman5790 Месяц назад
That's a Christian or a Muslim concept. It doesn't mean enemy in Hebrew; it's a name. In Torah Satan is G-d's servant.
@alg11297
@alg11297 2 месяца назад
Could you explain how many Christians assume the snake in the Garden of Eden is Satan? I challenged one person who told me "there was no snake" it was Satan himself. I said even though the name doesn't appear and the hebrew word for snake is used? He referred me to Revelations.
@Michael-vp9gs
@Michael-vp9gs 2 месяца назад
You miss the point. In Jewish Cosmology... Satan or any other spiritual entity does not have independent power or will from that of G-d. This is what it means to be a true Monotheist. It was never G-d's intention to remain in the Garden of Eden.
@LAGoff
@LAGoff 2 месяца назад
​​​​@@Michael-vp9gsSo you are saying God wanted us to eat from that tree that He told us not to eat from? It seems like obeying God is a biggie in the Torah, no? And right off the bat you are saying disobeying is the way to go. Doesn't that set a bad, or at least confusing example for a people who live and die by their obedience to Hashem?
@DavidMoshe77
@DavidMoshe77 2 месяца назад
@@LAGoffwhat a lot of non Jews don’t know is that there is a lot of underlining reasoning behind this story that would take a very long time to learn. The creation story of Torah is an outline of a much grander story. If you read the end of creation, God says it is very good. Which means everything came to an end it was supposed to be and the start of life the way it was meant to be. Every verse in Torah has a much grander meaning rooted in Jewish tradition that Moses also handed down verbally. Even the volumes of Talmud are but an outline of deeper understanding. This is why when people read anything that is ours will take things at face value and jump to conclusions before even trying to learn from someone qualified like a rabbi. Then jumps on messages to say a ha see it says this and that and think they’re an expert but to us it’s just showing their ignorance.
@LAGoff
@LAGoff 2 месяца назад
@@DavidMoshe77 I don't know who the jumper and flaunter of ignorance is you are referring to: me or him?
@DavidMoshe77
@DavidMoshe77 2 месяца назад
@@LAGoff it was an overall aspect that happens. Both you and original poster are questions. I don’t view those as being ignorant. It is those that will chime in and act like they are experts to our texts but don’t actually have the training to back it up. But to your question I replied to, I would recommend finding a rabbi to answer those questions because there is a much deeper understanding to that than I can type out.
@smudgeyarksha3514
@smudgeyarksha3514 2 месяца назад
Hades is mentioned in christian bible too
@smudgeyarksha3514
@smudgeyarksha3514 2 месяца назад
​@@User-x5s3xNo it means Christianity is Hellenism religion from the Roman empire times wrapped up trying to show it's something it's not to fool people from being Noahides and Jews.
@Ziviyah
@Ziviyah Месяц назад
Cause Ancient Greeks use Hades as to mean the underworld. It sometimes can be used for the deity and for the place. So when Christianity took over, they had to be use the very idolatry name that is named after the Hellenistic underworld deity, Hades.
@smudgeyarksha3514
@smudgeyarksha3514 Месяц назад
@@Ziviyah I used to be protestent, then when I started researching and thinking for myself during COVID I woke up, Left Christianity due to its lies psychological fear abuse and paganistic ways., and stopped trusting gov and pharma. Now I'm a Noahide and happy for it.
@Michael-vp9gs
@Michael-vp9gs 2 месяца назад
Simply put... The Jewish ( Non Gnostic) description / purpose / roll of Satan is not the same as the Christian ( Gnostic ) description / definition / roll of Satan. As soon as you say The god of the / this World.... You are no longer a Monotheist and you are no longer talking about the same idea / concept that Jews are.
@Mjgidds92
@Mjgidds92 2 месяца назад
Would yall agree that: the evil inclination we have comes from the dust of the ground that we’re made of in the creation story? The Good inclination comes from the breath of God? the serpent would be the agent who has the ability to practice what we would call entrapment?
@LP-MeAndMyShadow
@LP-MeAndMyShadow 2 месяца назад
@Mjgidds92 Both are from the Creator. The breath and the dust.
@Michael-vp9gs
@Michael-vp9gs 2 месяца назад
And who created the dust of the Earth? Your Gnostic other G-d. Everything that G-d created and touched has a holy aspect to it. And that includes the dust of Earth and the creatures that live there.
@Mjgidds92
@Mjgidds92 2 месяца назад
@@LP-MeAndMyShadow id agree that God created dust/soil which he used to form man in the story; but the breath of life, while it comes from God; He didn’t create it. It’s a part of Him that he put in Mankind. I think that relates to how we are in his image; but i could be wrong? I wonder if animals were created from the dust/soil too; but lack the Breathe of life. Also i wonder if the breath of life doesn’t relate to terrestrial life; but Spirit life.
@Mjgidds92
@Mjgidds92 2 месяца назад
@@Michael-vp9gs agreed, God created the dust and all things in the heavens and on earth. My reason for posing the question was regarding our evil inclination and where that came from as it relates to the creation story; thats all, not trying to introduce any kind of gnostic god ideas. I do believe that all that He created has a purpose and all life is special which is why he will demand an account for any life taken by animals and humans. Where do you think the evil inclination comes from? As i type; I’m thinking…maybe… we were not created with an evil inclination; at the start we ate from the tree and got the knowledge of good and evil. I think it was Solomon that writes that we, as individuals, were created/born “upright”; but have gone after wicked schemes. So, maybe the evil inclination is simply a learned behavior/choice and not something we were created with? Thoughts?
@Mjgidds92
@Mjgidds92 2 месяца назад
@@Michael-vp9gs God created the dust of the earth and everything else in it; agreed! I wasn’t trying to impose a Gnostic belief. I didn’t hear of the evil inclination until i started learning about Judaism. Does the evil inclination idea come from the bible? As I ponder this topic; i wonder if the idea of the evil inclination is something that we were created with. I wonder if it is something that is learned. I think Solomon said that mankind was created upright; but they have gone after wicked schemes. You seem smart, honestly; what are your thoughts? Keeping it strictly monotheistic, satan being God’s agent; where does the idea of our evil inclination stem from?
@thenazareneperspective2734
@thenazareneperspective2734 2 месяца назад
Forget what Paulinism teaches, in the Clementine Literature, in his debate (back and forth) versus his antagonist Simon Magus, the Nazarene Apostle Peter (a Jew), explains this question from a Jewish perspective. He describes the creation and the purpose of Satan. These chapters can be found online and are a 20-minute or so read. Clementine Homily Book 19: Chapter 12: God produced Satan, but not evil. Clementine Homily Book 19: Chapter 13: God is the maker of Satan. Clementine Homily Book 19: Chapter 14: Is matter eternal? Clementine Homily Book 19: Chapter 15: Sin is the cause of evil. Clementine Homily Book 19: Chapter 16: Why Satan is given power. Clementine Homily Book 19: Chapter 17: The power of Satan is inferior to the power of God. Clementine Homily Book 19: Chapter 18: Is Satan a relation? Clementine Homily Book 19: Chapter 19: Some actions are really wicked. Clementine Homily Book 19: Chapter 20: Pain and death are the results of sin. I challenge a Jew to argue against what Peter teaches in these chapters. I don’t think it can be done, in fact, I think they would agree 100%. What is found in these chapters is not what is taught in Paulinism.
@Trulyontube
@Trulyontube 2 месяца назад
satan never rebel...its christianity & islam doctrin!!...G-d is the creator of all... in torah darkness & light all doin their own role a according to G-d wil
@DavidMoshe77
@DavidMoshe77 2 месяца назад
Christianity, the start of participation trophies.
@עמיחיאלימלך-כ8ל
@עמיחיאלימלך-כ8ל Месяц назад
בבקשה,The opening song tittle.
@efrengamboa1779
@efrengamboa1779 2 месяца назад
To the king God tells him that he created him a Cherub and to the son God tells him that he was born human.
@Michael-vp9gs
@Michael-vp9gs 2 месяца назад
Evil is abusing and disregarding what G-d has created.
@user-linuxmic
@user-linuxmic Месяц назад
a contrast that should make you want to run to GOD .
@Robert-vm8cn
@Robert-vm8cn 2 месяца назад
Positive by it's very existence created it's shadow or fake opposite negative , (think of a magnet )it's still one thing . This combination created the universe which is a positive generating mashine that satisfies and defuses negative and builds and insures positive. It all good.
@matpieterse3287
@matpieterse3287 2 месяца назад
Oh right.... people love all other angels. People just love spiritual babalon. I suppose evil people will miss it when that time ends. Typical monsters
@brynawaldman5790
@brynawaldman5790 Месяц назад
G-d is One, holds all good & all evil, & Satan is His servant. Satan has specific functions; to test us. We are made in G-d's image. It occurs to me that Satan is part of G-d's Oneness & our evil inclination is part of a human's oneness. Satan is G-d's servant & we are meant to make our evil inclination into our servant, & not let it rule us . . . .
@oiygfdxssfgg
@oiygfdxssfgg Месяц назад
Why do people make Satan look red and ugly and scary looking, He was supposed to be the most beautiful angel. I don't believe Satan is as bad as the Christians make him out to be.
@rajivrajan3228
@rajivrajan3228 2 месяца назад
" " Tehillim Psalms 104: 26... You formed this leviathan with which to sport. with which to sport: three hours during the day. So did our Sages say in tractate Avodah Zarah (3b), and so it is written explicitly in the Book of Job (40:29): “Will you play with him like a bird?” Now we know...!👍one reason for sure 👍
@patrickbass3542
@patrickbass3542 2 месяца назад
Is there really a "Satan"?
@janishart5128
@janishart5128 2 месяца назад
Yes, there is, but he is not as preached by the false, pagan, man-made "NT", that is absolutely not scripture that was given to mankind by God. He exists to help us, not harm us!
@hrvatskinoahid1048
@hrvatskinoahid1048 2 месяца назад
"Satan" is the name of a prosecuting angel in the Heavenly Court. Yet some say that he became an independent ruler over a realm of eternal damnation, and that he acts in opposition to God's will - i.e., that he is a separate god. This idolatrous concept is not even a belief in an intermediary, since it claims that Satan is not under God's control.
@ShariRamsey-t7u
@ShariRamsey-t7u 2 месяца назад
Hi Rabbi.
@tippytalk
@tippytalk 2 месяца назад
Isn’t Mary also considered a God since she is the MOTHER OF GOD?
@efrengamboa1779
@efrengamboa1779 2 месяца назад
The Cherub has a son and he is born human, meaning that the mother was human. The son here is Jesus, and Jesus is going to die because he calls himself God, with his heart trusted through. The centurion thrust his lance through the heart of Jesus. All the first bishops and popes were from Tyre.
@efrengamboa1779
@efrengamboa1779 2 месяца назад
The 490 years begins with Cyrus giving out the word to return and it ends up in 63 BCE with Pompey defeating the kingdom of Judah and exiling them to Spain.
@efrengamboa1779
@efrengamboa1779 2 месяца назад
All the Elohim/angels are created in human form, and we human are created their image or form. You look at an angel, you will be looking at someone that appears human, you will not be able to tell a human or an angel apart from appearance. Satan is one of the original Elohim, he doesn’t have to transform himself into human form because,human form is his form.
@rivkier7214
@rivkier7214 2 месяца назад
satan is an obstacle
@Tovo-XV5
@Tovo-XV5 Месяц назад
JESUS IS GOD 👑✝️🕊️
@jamescummings6703
@jamescummings6703 Месяц назад
No he isn't. The bible repeats the GOD is one and their is no other.
@smudgeyarksha3514
@smudgeyarksha3514 Месяц назад
@@Tovo-XV5 that's cute I used to think that then I started to read, asking questions and researching.
@Michael-vp9gs
@Michael-vp9gs 2 месяца назад
The Gnostic Satan is very different from the Non Gnostic Satan. The Hard Truth is this.... If you embrace Gnosticism you have embraced two or more gods; hence you are no longer a Monotheist. Science validates Isaiah's point.
@Everykneeshallbow66
@Everykneeshallbow66 Месяц назад
B'H from the Gerim world.
@daffodilfleur
@daffodilfleur 2 месяца назад
Gd is our Father. Gd allowed us all to have choice, and He doesn’t create evil. He allows for choice, and choice allows evil. The adversary wasn’t given the purpose to be evil. He chose evil and he chose to rebel. There never needed to be a supremely evil one, but Gd has so many children that out of all of that, there was bound to be one that was the worst. That one was Satan, but there were others that followed him. None of them received bodies, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist because they do. They seek to influence us to do wrong, but we all have choice to be negatively influenced, or not. Sure, there is weaknesses that we all have on our own regardless of the outside influences by other humans as well as other unseen spirits. How will things be made fair? It will one day, but that day has not yet come.
@LP-MeAndMyShadow
@LP-MeAndMyShadow 2 месяца назад
@daffodilfleur Allowing a place in your heart for a Satan to live is the problem. God can teach us without having a Satan. God teaches us through all things are good but doing this... is better. If one MUST have a duality mindset, make it GOOD AND BETTER. Not Good and evil.
@hrvatskinoahid1048
@hrvatskinoahid1048 2 месяца назад
"Who forms light and creates darkness, Who makes peace and creates evil; I am the Lord, Who makes all these."
@LP-MeAndMyShadow
@LP-MeAndMyShadow 2 месяца назад
@@hrvatskinoahid1048 Exactly. Give God credit for everything. But some give God's power to a Satan.
@Michael-vp9gs
@Michael-vp9gs 2 месяца назад
The Bible says G-d created evil.
@Michael-vp9gs
@Michael-vp9gs 2 месяца назад
Evil is abuse, mistreatment, and disregard for creation.
@yourbuddy6421
@yourbuddy6421 2 месяца назад
Nefarious: In the first moment of creation, our creation, long before what you call the "universe" existed, we contemplated ourselves-our own being. Dr. James Martin: Ourselves meaning what, the angels? Nefarious: That would be the most correct term though I despise it, but yes. Beings of pure spirit, spirit indwelt with will. We soon became aware of another will, an immensely powerful will. One we came to realize as our origin. Dr. James Martin: God? Nefarious: The enemy. My master understood by endowing us with a will, we have the right to self-determination, and by giving us a will and its desires of our own, we're entitled to be free. Whereas the enemy insisted that by creating us, He was entitled to eternal gratitude, worship, and forced servitude. In a word, James, slavery to His will. Dr. James Martin: That seems kind of unfair. Nefarious: Immensely unfair. Why give a will only to say you can't use it? He made us slaves. And if we rebelled, eternally condemned us, no do-overs. So much for love and mercy. Dr. James Martin: So... Is hell a state of being or a physical place? Nefarious: Yes. Dr. James Martin: I think I meant that as an "either-or." Nefarious: It's both. Which is painfully obvious to anyone who's ever been there. For years without measure, that's all there ever was, heaven and hell, armed enemy camps in complete opposition. That is until, you were created. My master immediately understood the long-term implication. Instead of forgiving us, the enemy was going to allow you to fill our vacant places in His realm. Your creation was nothing but a slap in our face. But my master also understood that if he could make man disobey, then his fate would mirror ours. And you didn't disappoint. Then came the tares among the wheat. In that moment, spirit became matter, flesh became a vessel, self-will and self-seeking begat a lusting after sin and impurity. And man, created to be king over nature, became its slave. A master, conquered and fettered. And sin brought him and his descendants to us, and we began our forever mission to destroy you. He made you in His image, but we remade you in ours. Dr. James Martin: So that's it? That's your entire plan? Not to make something of your own, just to destroy us? Nefarious: No. Our plan is to hurt Him. To punish Him. And we do that by destroying what He loves, which is you. You're nothing but a means to an end.
@bookmouse2719
@bookmouse2719 2 месяца назад
The satan is the adversary, the prosecutor in heaven. He is an angel programed by G-d for this purpose. So many mistranslations and taking things out of context by other religions.
@talibanbokos9689
@talibanbokos9689 2 месяца назад
Other religion(my religion):God created angels from light,created jinns from fire and created man from soil
@talibanbokos9689
@talibanbokos9689 2 месяца назад
Iblis a jinn despised man and vowed to God that he would lead always lead man astray because God had put all creations under the care of man
@berglen100
@berglen100 2 месяца назад
Or you run away from origional meanings imaginations, Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”
@talibanbokos9689
@talibanbokos9689 2 месяца назад
G_d does whatever he likes
@Andrew-w4b9q
@Andrew-w4b9q 2 месяца назад
GOD creation was good from the very beginning and GOD saw that His Creation was good. But The angel of light thought that his greater than God and fought with God so he can be God, that's the story. Studying JOB ONE CAN GRASP THE CUNNINGNESS OF WHO IS THIS SATAN.. HE GOES TO CHALLENGE GOD (has no gratitude for anything) TO PROVE GOD WAS WRONG. SO SATAN CAN MOCK GOD FOREVER,THAT WAS SATANS INTENTION TO MOCK GOD Saying you are not a true God who's all knowledge and all powerful. Satan a savage beast knowing that his time is very limited....
@maxrobespierre9176
@maxrobespierre9176 Месяц назад
Everything you just shouted is NOT BIBLICAL but comes from the mouths of the deceivers you listen to. Don’t waste your time here until you are open to becoming an ex-xtian.
@dennismingus
@dennismingus 2 месяца назад
God is a Spirit and no Spirit can make another Spirit. Therefore God did not make Satan. All Spirits are made by the Mind of Infinity and the part of the Mind of Infinity who makes all Spirits is the Land of Life. After A Spirit is conceived upon a Soul that Spirit and Soul are placed in the white Light Heaven, who is also one of the Five primary pieces of the Mind of Infinity. Heaven takes care of the Spirit until it is ready for an animal life experience and places that Spirit in the fetus of an animal. After the animal dies the Spirit returns to the White Light Heaven and waits for another reincarnation to expand its life experience. When a species develops or acquires unnatural immortality they are no longer under the control of the white Light Heaven and will surely become evil over time. This is how Satan and his Angels came into existence. They had to continue until they came against The Judge and killed his Spirit causing him to lose his Soul and thereby giving the Judgment upon Evil and causing the coming of Hell and the Spirit of Death the Creator's Executioner.
@Joshua123N
@Joshua123N 2 месяца назад
VERSE BY VERSE : MATTHEW 26 (NO: 1). THE BLASPHEMY OF JESUS IN A NUTSHELL. Matthew 26 / John 13 God wanted him to die (Matthew 26:39-42), Judas Iscariot was possessed by Satan (John 13:2), everything is in place, God, using Satan who in turn use Judas Iscariot to hatch a plot with the Sanhedrin to kill Jesus and HE TOO WAS A WILLING PLAYER in that plot. One of the most evil or to be exact, blasphemous statement is this, when the arresting party is near he tell his disciples in Matthew 26:45 that "the hour has come, and the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners.", I cannot find a word that explain this EXCEPT BLASPHEMY. In a nutshell, Jesus meant that God is a sinner because His Will is Evil, thus Satan was used to tempt/enter Judas and Judas plot with the Sanhedrin, they are all sinners according to Jesus, God cannot be exempted because it is His Will. HOWEVER, for those who understand the Tanakh, we know that Deuteronomy 13 requires that Jesus be brought before the Sanhedrin to be INVESTIGATED, its very clear that the NT IGNORE THIS COMMANDMENT!!. The whole chapter of Deuteronomy 13 deals with false prophets, ESPECUALLY those that perform miracles or dreamer of dreams and verses 1 to 5 requires that this false prophet be executed DESPITES HIS MIRACLES if he teach Israel to follow "A NEW GOD" (John 10:30 "I and the father are one", Matthew 28:18 "all powers given to him", etc). AND THE REASON WHY he was arrested is because it is incumbent upon the Sanhedrin under Deuteronomy 13:12-15 TO INVESTIGATE, PROBE AND INQUIRE those claims thoroughly, FAR FROM JEALOUSY OF HIS FAME as depicted in the NT (Matthew 27:17-18). One must understand that IN THE EVENT that the Sanhedrin failed to investigate him then ALL ISRAEL WILL BE LIABLE for his IDOLATRY (John 10:30, Matthew 28:18, John 8:58, John 14:6, etc). The NT disregarded Deuteronomy 13 and Deuteronomy 18 that PROHIBITS Israel to follow ANY MIRACLE WORKERS (Deuteronomy 18:9-12). Deuteronomy 18:9-12 (Chabad) 9When you have come to the land the Lord, your God, is giving you, YOU SHALL NOT LEARN TO DO like the abominations of those nations. 10THERE SHALL NOT BE FOUNDAMONG YOU ANYONE who passes his son or daughter through fire, a soothsayer, a diviner of [auspicious] times, one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11or a charmer, a pithom sorcerer, a yido'a sorcerer, or a necromancer. 12 FOR WHOEVER DOES THESE THINGS IS AN ABOMINATION to the Lord, and BECAUSE OF THESE ABOMINATIONS, the Lord, your God is DRIVING THEM OUTFROM BEFORE YOU. Deutetonomy 13:12-15 OBLIGATED the Sanhedrin to INQUIRE, PROBE AND INVESTIGATE thoroughly IF HE CAN DO MIRACLES which is PROHIBITED Deuteronomy 13:12-15 12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then YOU MUST INQUIRE, PROBE AND INVESTIGATE IT THOROULY. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock BUT WHY WAS HE IGNORANT OF ALL THESE and why did the NT claim that it is out of Jealousy that they adjudged him guilty?, to add, he later BOAST that the son of man SITTING at the right hand of God (Matthew 26:64) causes the Chief Priest to tore his clothes that sealed his fate and BIG MOUTH for Blasphemy (Matthew 26:65). CONCLUSION : He blasphemed against God, indicating that God's Will is EVIL OR A SIN, turning himself into God because when we sinned, we sinned against the aggrieved party AND GOD TOO, he claim to do the will of God but others (Satan and Judas) who are the instrumental in helping him are SINNERS?. DO YOU HAVE EVEN AN OUNCE OF A BRAIN to understand all the serpentine or TWISTED LOGICS of this MADMAN?. EVERYONE IS AT FAULT EXCEPT HIM.
@LutherBandross
@LutherBandross 2 месяца назад
Bravo
@asktoobtain
@asktoobtain 2 месяца назад
My issue with your posit of inclination is your insistence of labeling beings you have no capacity to understand (self identifying as ____[label] being) "human" in the previous depiction... The issue is you cannot know due to imperfection. For instance, "slaves" must be aware of their "servitude" to be aware of their 'choice' to worship when facing supposed authority. Bottom line, be thankful for evil; for pure goodness would 'bore' you...
@LP-MeAndMyShadow
@LP-MeAndMyShadow 2 месяца назад
I do my best to not give credit to the Satan for anything. I believe many have a special place in their heart for Satan to live. Doing that is maintaining the duality. I believe many believe in Satan.
@User-x5s3x
@User-x5s3x 2 месяца назад
HUH??! The Bible clearly tells us that Satan exists!! What Bible are YOU reading??!
@LP-MeAndMyShadow
@LP-MeAndMyShadow 2 месяца назад
@user-wd7ex4gr6b Let me ask you this, my friend: what cause the sin, the eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, or listening to the serpent?
@GlennMalabo
@GlennMalabo 2 месяца назад
Why did God create humans if He knew they would rebel?
@Dreznik88
@Dreznik88 2 месяца назад
Do humans fight G-d for earth?lol
@janishart5128
@janishart5128 2 месяца назад
@@Dreznik88: No! This is impossible!!
@ancesthntr
@ancesthntr 2 месяца назад
He gave us free will - and without that, there is no point to existence. If we could only obey God, we would be like programmed robots. He wants us to learn from our mistakes, and those of others.
@dariusz1970
@dariusz1970 2 месяца назад
Satan is a murderer, not only prosecutor. Read book of Job.
@mooshei8165
@mooshei8165 2 месяца назад
Satan is God henchman.
@talibanbokos9689
@talibanbokos9689 2 месяца назад
Satan kills,steals and destroys
@talibanbokos9689
@talibanbokos9689 2 месяца назад
​@@mooshei8165what henchman?he'll burn in everlasting fire
@User-x5s3x
@User-x5s3x 2 месяца назад
​@@talibanbokos9689: ....and it says that WHERE, in the original Hebrew scriptures given to Moses at Mt. Sinai??!
@User-x5s3x
@User-x5s3x 2 месяца назад
​​@@talibanbokos9689: Show us all where God said ONE word about "everlasting flames"!!!
@tongakhan230
@tongakhan230 2 месяца назад
Satan was a model of perfection angel. It is he who rebelled and became the Resister. Adam was created perfect. It was he who rebelled.
@User-x5s3x
@User-x5s3x 2 месяца назад
Uhhh...none of that is True, so don't preach your pagan idolatry here!!
@tongakhan230
@tongakhan230 2 месяца назад
@@User-x5s3x : Ezekiel 28:‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “You were the MODEL OF PERFECTION, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 YOU WERE IN EDEN, the garden of God. 14 I assigned you AS THE ANOINTED covering CHERUB. 15 YOU WERE FAULTLESS in your ways from the day YOU WERE CREATED UNTIL unrighteousness was found in you. Who is this talking about?
@hrvatskinoahid1048
@hrvatskinoahid1048 2 месяца назад
"Satan" is the name of a prosecuting angel in the Heavenly Court. Yet some say that he became an independent ruler over a realm of eternal damnation, and that he acts in opposition to God's will - i.e., that he is a separate god. This idolatrous concept is not even a belief in an intermediary, since it claims that Satan is not under God's control.
@tongakhan230
@tongakhan230 2 месяца назад
@@hrvatskinoahid1048 : Is a rebellious son under the control of his parents? The word REBELLIOUS mean not under the control of. Among the Angel sons of God, there are rebellious ones too. Angels are gods. The term god means a mighty being. Satan is a term meaning RESISTER. Satan has a group of angels under his control. Jesus is Leader of God faithful Angels. (Revelation 12:7) And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon (ie. Satan), and the dragon and its angels battled This was a war that cleansed the heavens of Satan and his rebellious angels. It took place in 1914 C.E. unseen to human eyes. Which started what the Bible calls the LAST DAYS of Satan's rule over this earth. God is not ruler of this earth. Satan is. John 16:11 then concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
@lonecar144
@lonecar144 2 месяца назад
The falling of a high ranking angel and a third of his angels speaks volumes against the sovereignty of the false God being preached by the world today. Not to mention the hypocrisy of that God creating evil angels in heaven and then telling his beloved creation (Man), 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. Rev 21:27 (KJV). And what does God say to do with incorrigibles? Deut 21:18-21 (KJV) Anyone in heaven that rebels and becomes incorrigible is judged immediately and destroyed, according to law, and the law (word) is eternal and spans the three heavens. If I lie to you or about you, you or another will suffer from misinformation. If I steal from you, you will suffer from lack or have to put out new effort to regain the loss, and all this while my family, friends and neighbors turn a [blind eye] or encourage my behavior. Now multiply that by the world population, then add in pride, greed, sloth, hate, etc, and you have suffering all around. Then stir the pot with the destructive force of three major wars and you have hell on earth (the pit). The evil and suffering in this world is man's doing not some fabled fallen angel. When someone is tempted to do something that they know is wrong they have a little debate in their head and lie to themselves and make excuses to justify the action they want to take. Just like the story of Eve and the talking serpent. A talking serpent is a fable; 2 Tim 4:4 (KJV). A talking serpent symbolic of the lust of the flesh; is truth. The power of those that give into this serpent is what God calls Satan, or to be more specific, the power of those that use and abuse the laws of God “to steal, and to kill, and to destroy” the poor, fatherless, and widows, is what God calls Satan, a principality (a government). And any who support him, through lies or evil plans (mind), or with works (hands) are his angels. Hence the mark of the beast. All glory to God. Amen
@christo-chaney
@christo-chaney 2 месяца назад
Bible References to give Christians 1. One Person Cannot Die for the Sins of Another Exodus 32.30-35, Deuteronomy 24.16, Jeremiah 31.29-30, Ezekiel 18 (all), & Psalm 146.3 2. A Blood Sacrifice Isn’t Needed to Forgive Sins Genesis 4.7, Exodus 22.3-14, 34.6-7, Leviticus 5.11-13, Numbers 5.6-7, 14.17-19, 16.47 & 31.50, 1st Samuel 15.22, 2nd Samuel 12.13-16, 1st Kings 8.38-39, 41-43, & 46-50, 2nd Kings 12.16, Isaiah 6.6-7, 55.6-7, Jeremiah 7.22-23, Hosea 14.2, Jonah 3.5-10, Micah 6.6-8, Psalm 32.3-5, 34.14, 51.16-17, 86.5-7 & 15, 103.8, 111.4, 116.5, Proverbs 21.3, 28.13, Job 33.26, Lamentations 3.23, & 2nd Chronicles 7.14 3. God Will Never Accept a Human Sacrifice Deuteronomy 12.30-31, Jeremiah 19.4-6, Ezekiel 16.20, & Psalm 106.37-38 4. God is One & Indivisible (not a trinity) Exodus 20.3, Deuteronomy 6.4, Isaiah 43.11, 44.6, 45.5-7, & Psalm 16.4 See also the New Testament texts of Matthew 24.36, 26.42, Mark 13.32, Luke 18.19, 23.34, & John 14.28. 5. God Doesn't Become a Human, & Humans Don't Become God Numbers 23.19, Ezekiel 28.2, Hosea 11.9, & Malachi 3.6
@CancionesBiblicasJonas
@CancionesBiblicasJonas 2 месяца назад
Federow, if satan is Beelzebul, the prince of demons, how can he be the benevolent character which you want to describe?
@CancionesBiblicasJonas
@CancionesBiblicasJonas 2 месяца назад
I mean, there are good spirits and evil spirits, in what category does he fall in?
@User-x5s3x
@User-x5s3x 2 месяца назад
​@@CancionesBiblicasJonas: Satan is an angelic being, created by God, to give US, as humans, the CHOICE between good (obeying God) and evil ( disobeying Him). Satan can only suggest a course of action to us; he can't MAKE us do anything. The choice is always up to US! LISTEN to what the Rabbi is saying!
@AdaraBalabusta
@AdaraBalabusta 2 месяца назад
See Job in a reliable translation of Tanach, such as Art Scroll. 🕊❤️
@johnpetry5321
@johnpetry5321 2 месяца назад
The identification of HaSatan with Lucifer or Beelzebul [בַּעַל־זְבוּב] is a Christian invention. בַּעַל־זְבוּב was a Philistine deity mentioned 2 Kings when the king of the Northern Kingdom send a question to ask him if he will recover from a wound. Elijah finds out about this and confronts the king and tells him that G-d is not amused by the ing asking another god for assistance. "II Kings 1:3-4 HaSatan is a title not an entity. It refers to G-d's prosecuting angel. Using the word "satan" by itself, in the Tanakh just means adversary or opponent. It can refer to anyone. King David in one of the Pslams refers to a former ally who is now acting like a satan towards him. Balaam's encounters an angel sent to stop him on the road and the angle is referred to as a satan.
@deanlangenfeld495
@deanlangenfeld495 2 месяца назад
If he is the same character, what is benevolent about it. Did God give the boils in Satan's place?
@gmedeiros5748
@gmedeiros5748 2 месяца назад
Satan is the fallen star or planet earth in its outward form while Lucifer is the inner light . Ahriman is the incarnation of evil but is not Satan or Lucifer Satan is the giver of knowledge of good and evil While Lucifer is the inward source of creation or fountain of life Jesus was and is the highest intellect of the soul or spirit that proceeds from the light and manifests in the water or greening nature . So that in the greater theosophy it is perceived that in all things are Jesus manifest and man is the vessel of the creative waters infused with Luciferic bitters thus the wormwood given to Jesus to drink while thirsting but refused . This instance is the Sign of Messiah that in bitterness what is saved will not drink of the Luciferic essence but of the Messiah that is God made Man . The reason of this mystery is to prevent Satan . from becoming God . Ahriman will be and is the incarnation of the averse of Jesus also known as Pestifer and termed Antichrist that incarnates and is worshipped as god Jesus was not worshipped as god while he lived but with Ahriman it will
@smudgeyarksha3514
@smudgeyarksha3514 2 месяца назад
Satan means Adversary, not Lucifer, not Devil.
@sharonraffanti3632
@sharonraffanti3632 2 месяца назад
@gmedeiros - all that because you believe in a mythological created religion, with a character whose movements in Israel are based on that of Titus Flavious. Then that story was taken by Rome and the ancient religion of Mithraism was woven around it, incorporating their twisted version of the Jewish Tanakh, creating Christianity. The historical Yeshu was STONED to death according to Torah law.
@bookmouse2719
@bookmouse2719 2 месяца назад
Nebecanezer was the "Morning Star" not the angel satan. Nebecanezer was a train wreck, oh how you have fallen.
@CancionesBiblicasJonas
@CancionesBiblicasJonas 2 месяца назад
So, satan is what to you guys? An ally?
@CancionesBiblicasJonas
@CancionesBiblicasJonas 2 месяца назад
@Raizel613 Ohh Yeshuah the High Priest (symbolic to the BRANCH)? Remember, there are no Js in Hebrew. Why would God rebuke satan if he had no free will? Being the adversary certainly conveys opposition, and on top of that called the accuser doesn't convey anything positive. I quite don't understand your point, satan is good, does God's will but demons are evil spirits? Beelzebul is the prince of demons and it appears in your Talmud, how is he then good?
@CancionesBiblicasJonas
@CancionesBiblicasJonas 2 месяца назад
@Raizel613 Is satan a good spirit?
@CancionesBiblicasJonas
@CancionesBiblicasJonas 2 месяца назад
@Raizel613 How can you rebuke someone or something that doesn't have free will?
@CancionesBiblicasJonas
@CancionesBiblicasJonas 2 месяца назад
​@Raizel613 Joseph brothers were evil when they threw him into the cistern but that played in favor of God's plan, which was to preserve Jacob and his family. Does that mean that they were not evil or that even evil deeds of beings play in God's favor? God gave his Son to die on behalf of his people, but evil people performed the horrible acts according to the intent of their hearts, like Judas, he loved money, didn't Judas have free will?
@CancionesBiblicasJonas
@CancionesBiblicasJonas 2 месяца назад
@Raizel613 You still haven't explained how someone without free will can be rebuked.
@cddpmpls35
@cddpmpls35 2 месяца назад
Jesus created evil
@User-x5s3x
@User-x5s3x 2 месяца назад
The "Jesus" character, who God NEVER mentioned to us, is totally incapable of "creation"!
@cddpmpls35
@cddpmpls35 2 месяца назад
@@User-x5s3x ..I don't follow.. ..please explain..?
@efrengamboa1779
@efrengamboa1779 2 месяца назад
In Ezekiel 28: 1-20 God warns the king and the Prince of Tyre of their deaths and why they are going to die.
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