Why did Gondor not help Arnor sooner? 

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This again plays into the tragic stories that Tolkien loved to write. If the sister kingdoms had maintained contact Arnor would have survived and Eriador and the rest of middle-earth would have suffered a little less.

You would think in a few centuries of war Gondor would have been already proactively helping Arnor. Sometimes some of the timeline's periods have too big of gaps where there is too stagnant and not proactive.

They were too busy being absent from the Westfold's fall.

I suspect another critical factor was that after the death of Isildur, his son Valandil did not claim the High Kingship of both Gondor and Arnor as Elendil and Isildur had but rather let Gondor become independently ruled by the heirs of Anárion. That made it much easier for the two separate kingdoms to drift apart over the succeeding centuries.

I suspect that Arvedui had some secret grudge after the whole situation about the succession and I think he likely thought Gondor looked down on Arthedain as a nation. Gondor at the time likely didn't know the importance losing Arnor to Angmar would have upon their future at the time. The Prophecy told about Arvedui by Malbeth the Seer, was likely referring to the choice made by the council of Gondor about the succession, but the Dunedain of the south chose the simpler route at the time, and that led to both kingdoms being crippled soon afterwards.

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Really cool dude, it would be so Nice to see more content on Arnor

I think the argument, that the Dunedain of Arnor can't know who the Witch King is doesn't hold water. The Palantiri were perfect for spying on Angmar. Even if the King of Arthedain wasn't of strong enough will to use a Palantiri that way(which i doubt), Elrond, Glorfindel or Cirdan could, would and should have helped out. Sauron and probably the Witch King as well could cloak and protect themselves from this, but lets be honest, Angmar surely fielded Orcs and Trolls. If that wasn't enough, the dark magics Angmar had at its disposal should be concern as well. Even if the Wise couldn't be sure that Angmar was Saurons doing, they should have expected the worst just to be safe. Especially Elrond knew that without the destruction of the Ring Sauron was not dead. I think the Wise and the leaders of Arthedain and Cardolan act or are portrayed very incompetent here. They didn't use the Palantiri, no wisdom or sense, they ignore the involvement of massed Orcs and Trolls, as Gundabad and Mount Gram were part of the Witch Kings realm(I would be surprised if the Men of Angmar and Hillmen of Rhudaur alone, living in quite the harsh climate, could muster very numerous armies compared to Arthedain and Cardolan). Quite weird to be honest. They could and should have asked Romendacil. It was the wise and sensible thing to do to spare and safe as many lives as possible. Also why none of the Istari really helped out here, especially Gandalf(Saruman might be in Rhun at this point) is weird. Something i also never understood was why no one in all this time asked Khazad Dum for help, which was still a very powerful kingdom. Arthedain, Cardolan, the Noldor could have offered valuable trade and help in reconquering Gundabad. It would have been a win win for all the free people involved. Which is why its so unbelievable that all these point didn't happen or weren't even considered.

I wish they’d gone into Arnor a bit more in the films. It would make the situation seem more tense - what the Witch King was trying to do to Gondor, he had already succeeded at doing to another kingdom like it.

Great video! Well made! Thank you for covering this topic!

Good video. Would be interesting to know how involved Sauron was with the Kin Strife, especially given the significance of its timing to prevent Gondor from looking north to Arnor and joining them to crush Angmar. Was it just luck concerning the nature of men living in corrupted Arda that benefited Sauron, or were his spies/emissaries (obviously he could not come himself, no longer being able to assume fair forms) stirring up the rebellion.

Fascinating. This illustrates just how good of a writer and world builder Tolkien was, that he could craft a history hundreds of years long and still managed to line up husband dates correctly so that Gondor could never have helped Arnor is ridiculous.

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The issue of how often the Realms in Exile communicated is a bit unclear. What we do know is that through communications with the North-kingdoms, Gondor learned about the existence of the Hobbits, and that they were 'in close communication' at the time (c. T.A. 1050). "The Kingdoms of the North and the South remained in close communication at that time, and indeed until much later, and each was well informed of all events in the other region, especially of the migration of people of all kinds. Thus though no "halfling," so far as is known, had ever actually appeared in Gondor before Peregrin Took, the existence of this people within the kingdom of Arthedain was known in Gondor, and they were given the name Halfling, or in Sindarin perian." - Unfinished Tales

I somewhat doubt that last sentiment that saving Arnor earlier would have made a significant difference for Sauron. Despite facing fewer enemies and enjoying more peacetime, Arnor was still breaking apart and decaying. There was practically no population growth happening in Eriador in the entire 3rd age. Gondor was wise in not overstretching thier forces to protect an increasingly empty land.

Darth Gandalf heres a video idea, part of the reason Frodo succumbed to the power of the ring was he wore it for so long, but if the fellowship hadn't broken up they had four hobbits so could they have had a relay system with the other hobbits to try and prevent this and could that have been part of the plan.

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Is there enough material to make a video solely on Cardolan? I have been very interested especially after the new Lotro expansion.

The consequences of which would have long term repercussions..

Can you do a what if video about the Blue Wizards? Whatever you want, dealers choice.

If all this help had been sent then Aragorn might never had become king of the reunited Kingdom’s of Gondor and arnor but both sides needed communication as it’s important in everyday life

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What would happen if Gandalf made it to Bree on time?

Question, one which is a variant of the: "How did Sauron not know where The Shire was" - Seeing as the Witch King of Angmar had been waging wars in those lands for a long time against the various human kingdoms, succeeding in overrunning and crushing them, to me, it remains a bit of an odd question how the heck did Sauron not know much about Hobbits and their homeland? Because Hobbits were involved in the wars as combatants against Angmar, and it's in fact how they got gifted the lands they dwell, as I recall. Surely the Witch King, chief of the Nazgul, would have been aware of Hobbits to the point of being able to advise Sauron of them. Considering also how Angmar overran all the human kingdoms up there, it would be utterly baffling of them and their forces not having some knowledge of where these strange small people, whom certainly aint dwarves, who keep helping the human kingdoms fight, come from. Thus, while Sauron might not have known of the Shire, surely the Witch king who's whole realm was in that part of the world would have been very quick to figure the general direction of where The Hobbits are likely hanging out at. It's not like during all the wars up there scouting, gathering intelligence, spycraft, plus making maps of every nook and cranny possible wouldn't have been done. Considering how the Shire is also located in the Witch King of Angmars frontyard, it's pretty curious how peaceful it is up there too as with no human kingdoms left the only things keeping Angmar from dominating everything up there is a bunch of Rangers, a small number of Elves/potential Dwarves, and the Witch-Kings attention being directed to other matters than dominating the leftovers. Which the Shire sure seems to be involved in quite a lot, so again, it aint like the Witch King's attention woulda been elsewhere either, nor like Sauron, being very intelligent, would have neglected to question his chief lieutenant about things regarding the corner of the world he holds dominion in. A simple process of elimination would be enough to pinpoint the region of the world Hobbits would dwell in: Except for maybe coming upon Bilbo wandering around, or the odd Hobbit who liked to travel and adventure, nobody really had much knowledge about them. Thus, if suddenly you have a location where they are known to have taken part in military conflicts, it's a safe bet to start looking in that part of the world. Especially if you cross-reference this information with the potentially unrelated tidbit of Gandalf being spotted moving around in the region quite a fair bit. (He did have a habit of constantly visiting the Hobbits, after all.) - Combine all these indicators, and it's a safe deduction there is something relating to the Hobbits to be found up there. Especially as you have other more known locations such as Bree in the region, which is a good place to start digging up dirt...or if you suspect the meddlesome gray wizard to know something, try to figure out where they go and come from. Easier said than done, for sure, but even the wisest can make mistakes and leave a trail. Using the buddy system, it would even be possible to figure out if someone does not return, there is likely some force constantly stopping intelligence gathering operations in the region (IE: Those Rangers), which would again make it an even more suspicious location to look into because now on top of everything else it looks like the region is being protected on purpose.

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It is in Gondor's nature! Where was Gondor when the Westfold fell!?

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Hmm, that ending. Very sus

Was there no trade going on between Arnor and Gondor during the almost 1,000 years of no contact between the two kingdoms

WHERE WAS ARNOR WHEN THE WESTFOLD FELL

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didn't arnor and Gondor have palantirs to communicate through most of this

Where was Gondor?!

I, haven't watched the video ye. But, I'm just going to make a guess based on the facts we know. First, we need to take a look at the timeline. 1300 of the TA is when Angmar was formed. Gondor, military at this point was strong. But, Angmar was not a big threat. 1409 is when Angmar strikes for the first time. Gondor could help but this was pre-Kin Strife. It, seemed as if gondor was split. After, the Kin Strife Gondor had gained an enemy to the South, the Corsairs. From about this point on it seemed as if Gondor was faced with multiple enemies they half to worry about. The, Easterlings to the east. Also, Corsairs and Haradrim to the south. Also, the Kin Strife didn't help there case, as there forces were reduced. Setting them off hundreds of years. By, the time they recover and take Umbar back. The, Wain Riders attack which delays gondor a hundred more year's. It, wasn't until fighting has subsided that they can send an army forth. Also, another thing may be because, they had no contact with one another. As, after Isildur died they became independent of one another. Since, each king ended up splitting off from one another. For, almost 2000 years Gondor and Arnor had list communication. It, wasn't until Arvedi arrived did the finally connect back up. So, it is likely that Gondor didn't know that Arnor needed help. So, that my conclusion, Multiple Foes to deal with, a Plague, and that the kings were isolated from one another. But, I'm now going to watch and see how right or wrong i was.

only if Arvedui were made king of both kingdoms... it was the only way they chose not to, Arnor had to became Rangers

Was Angmar a kingdom of orcs or men or both?

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