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We all know by now Optane is fast… But can Intel’s latest SSD FINALLY bring Optane into the home? Or is it just half-baked and overpriced?
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@Huntersinthesky 4 года назад

Watching this in 2020 and seeing the old prices of those m.2 ssd’s is crazy. The 960 pro is something like 190 bucks now, not $607! What a difference two years make.

@Theunihornable Год назад

2 years later and now a very good NVME SSD 1TB is only 100 bucks

@realSirDextrose Год назад

@@Theunihornable months later it’s more like $50 to 60. I got a 2TB for $80

@MigatteNoJack Год назад

@@Theunihornableyeah exactly. it's kinda crazy

@justacollegestudent5147 Год назад

@@Theunihornableone year later a top of the line 2tb is $110. Like super top of the line.

@justacollegestudent5147 Год назад

@@realSirDextroseI paid $110 for mine but it’s close to the best. Literally top 5 ssd you can get in all benchmarks. You can get really good ssd cheap now. I was looking at a 4tb 4.5gb by 3gb reads nvme WITH DRAM and only $160 for mass storage. Not the best brand but also an okay one at least.

@feksaaargh9884 6 лет назад

...I just got an ad for an ad blocker.

@SEApodEErman 5 лет назад

it's called youtube premium

@slash7303 5 лет назад

Ironic eh lol

@WyvernApalis 5 лет назад

Curb your adblock

@truth2424 5 лет назад

lol

@borrero-md1196 4 года назад

i get ads for youtube on youtube like... 2 o 3 times a day. Not as ironic but man does it look as a desperate means to have u purchase youtube premium haha

@Taylordtech 6 лет назад

This doesnt look like a consumer product...really it makes more sense for a database environment where reduced latency could help get more IOPS.

@thedoc2994 6 лет назад

Taylord Tech Well, IOPS represents better real-world performance than sequential read/write.

@xhighalert 5 лет назад

This is exactly it, and it's flying over his head. These SSDs are for Queue depth 1. And they're fucking AMAZING for things like ZFS intent log, where you really badly need assinine-fast, power-loss-protected storage, and only need maybe 2-5 gb of it.

@jonahhillert3291 5 лет назад

Taylord Tech exactly what it is. This guy doesn’t understand lol

@jcourtes 5 лет назад

Most enterprise class databases run in memory

@elksalmon84 5 лет назад

Now get back 10 years ago and ask same question for SSD vs HDD. Mind Optane is just 3 times as expensive. In few generations Optane will kill SSD, as SSD can't store data for long without electricity and Optane have higher endurance rate.

@Ekami67 6 лет назад

For me that's exactly what I was looking for! I'm doing machine learning on my 32gb of RAM machine but I run out of memory very often. Using the 58gb 800P as swap will be perfect!!

@ifUreadthisURalien 6 лет назад

Yay! NOW I can open my word files 1 second earlier!!!!

@jesperbouw7994 6 лет назад

ifUreadthisURalien for Just 200 dollars 😂

@navjotsingh2251 6 лет назад

For someone busy as me I would love to open word documents and other applications faster because those seconds add up all together and can save a lot of time!!!!!

@DrunkTalk 6 лет назад

you only have to open word 562 times to make up for watching this video and then you start saving 1 second at a time, that almost as good as crypto ROI!

@somehowoptional2501 6 лет назад

If - for whatever reason - your daily workload consists of opening +10 docs simultaneously every x minutes - yes, you can save up to x seconds... ...which apparently is _a lot of time_

@gamerdweebentertainment1616 5 лет назад

This exactly what I understood, so... it's for people who do a lot of tasks on PC??? Can't think of a workplace where you would need that, maybe as a business PC.

@Phoboskomboa 6 лет назад

I'd be interested in seeing a build with only 8 gigs of ram and a 118 GB pagefile on Optane.

@ABaumstumpf 6 лет назад

When the optane DIMMs are out than that might work. but via PCIe? Well, you'd need a massive Raid0 and still have huge delays.

@Phoboskomboa 6 лет назад

I've seen pagefile based systems tested with regular SSDs when they were new. They sorta worked. This has much lower latency. I'm just curious to see how it goes.

@Phoboskomboa 6 лет назад

That too. I'm actually not sure what the minimum amount of ram you can get Windows to boot with is these days. I didn't want to low-ball it so much that it couldn't boot. Do they even make 2GB ram sticks anymore?

@ABaumstumpf 6 лет назад

With some tweaking you can get Win10 64bit to run with 1 GB, but 2GB is the official minimum. with other versions you can get it to be far smaller even.

@Phoboskomboa 6 лет назад

In that case, I'm all for it. Good call. Linus should do this build.

@TitelSinistrel 6 лет назад

The optane SSD is as far as I remember(too lazy to google now) has far superior disk writes per day which makes it ideal for page/swap drives to augment RAM. Also that latency helps a lot with this. As a regular SSD it isn't very good because that's not what it's supposed to do. I think it's more of a server part than consumer part.

@chrisedwards3866 6 лет назад

TitelSinistrel you are better than 99.9% of the comments here, and you got it exactly right. It works best as a midpoint between RAM and storage, and on servers there is a lot of demand for that midpoint.

@DalaiLamaOnCrack 6 лет назад

Basically this. Level1tech guys did their piece on optane drives with a bit more focus on databases, those things being already optimized for file system interactions. In short, you wont get any perfomance for your games or adoobees, but will save up a small fortune in RAM prices on your databasd server.

@bobsagget823 6 лет назад

Nice regurgitation of intel PR bullshit. If optane has such great write endurance why reviewers have their optane sticks die on them after a day of testing? An equally priced SSD gets you more capacity and more write endurance than optane ever will.

@nicknevco215 6 лет назад

does not the page file with enough memory get to be really useless, only used for operating not program dependent data storage.

@hehefunnysharkgoa9515 6 лет назад

"An equally priced SSD gets you more capacity and more write endurance than optane ever will." £329 Optane: 3640 TBW £310 Flash SSD: 1000 TBW Even a super-expensive 2tb flash SSD is going to get a peak of 2500TBW, whereas the 480gb Optane is ~6500TBW. Though I will agree on the capacity/price at the moment. Intel needs to drop those prices hard. Kind of difficult when the tech doesn't have much appeal and demand at the moment. "If optane has such great write endurance why reviewers have their optane sticks die on them after a day of testing?" That isn't write endurance, that's hardware failure. I don't know how you're confusing the two since they're dramatically different concepts. "The optane SSD is as far as I remember(too lazy to google now) has far superior disk writes per day which makes it ideal for page/swap drives to augment RAM." The write endurance isn't actually the main feature of Optane, it's more of a neat side-effect than anything.The main feature of Optane is the 6~8us (6000~8000ns) read latency and 15us write latency. This is compared to NAND SSD's read of ~150+us and write of ~800+us. For swap space alone this is immensely useful, but you could imagine the impact it could also have on VMs, caching, large buffers, etc etc.

@marcopolo8584 2 года назад

I'm getting amped to argue why Optane needs to live on, instead of being discontinued. It's not market viable in its DIMM form, but as storage it's bananas, and from what I've seen from some Level1Tech videos, it's kind of scraping against some limitations of Windows itself, and even Linux when pushed hard enough in its modern P5800x incarnation. It really makes me wonder, had they marketed it better, and made products that would make more sense to the average prosumer, and had it got the traction it needed to get that far, would it have gotten lower level Windows support alongside big.little when Windows 11 updated. I've seen the productivity improvements that a spot of ramdisk nets you, and now I've got an Optane drive for PrimoCache on the way now too. It's kind of silly to me to hear techtubers shrug about high end storage and high capacity RAM when talking about productivity. Most of the time just showing benchmark drag races without telling viewers that half of productivity work is moving tons of files around, and not waiting around for renders. It's basically increasing the FPS of Windows Explorer.

@Malta-fn9wf 6 лет назад

Thank you for re-enabling the option Linus. Will start writing subtitles as normally.

@Codewow 6 лет назад

Some people are just nice and can type quickly.

@Malta-fn9wf 6 лет назад

No. Volunteer work. Just to contribute to this channel as it helped me a lot, so why not help him back?

@leexgx 6 лет назад

Some people are actually deaf and the google auto translate audio to text is not perfect, so not really a waste of time

@dorupero 6 лет назад

Nice people do nice things

@thesmashtvnetwork 6 лет назад

your selfish for sayng that as aperson that can not hear that well i benfit from it and those that add sub make me so happy

@FeTiProductions 6 лет назад

Just gonna buy 500gb ssd in summer and call it a day. I'll check that Intel stuff in 2023

@bradhaines3142 6 лет назад

FeTi Productions i plan to get 1tb so it lasts long enough to make it to 2023

@ethannewhouse7541 6 лет назад

Optane is an Intel/Micron cooperative that is intended for big server farms for much faster I/O's. It's a means to supplement the need for much more DRAM in a smaller space. Creating a consumer product out of it is just a simple way for them to take the existing 3DXPoint modules and make some more profit. The tech is still maturing, but I wouldn't be surprised if we still don't see noteworthy performance increases even in Gen 2.

@draconicepic4124 5 лет назад

I could see the 800P being useful for temporary files. It could cache web pages or intermediate files if you're chaining applications.

@ehseahla 6 лет назад

Will it run TunnelBear more efficiently?

@hydrochloricacid2146 6 лет назад

TB was recently acquired by Macaffee, so nothing can run it now

@koicflakesykh4658 6 лет назад

eh seah la good one

@LasOrveloz 6 лет назад

SMGJohn Tunnelbear was bought from intel by McAfee like week or two ago. so I'd expect it to be a bloated adware/malware piece of crap by the end of month.

@Zoranurai13 6 лет назад

LasOrveloz isn’t mcafee part of intel?

@LasOrveloz 6 лет назад

joris yauw only partly, Intel has 49% while the rest of tthe 51% is between TPG group and Thoma Bravo LLC

@SpecialEDy 6 лет назад

I have an Intel 600p NVMe as my boot drive, my Samsung 960 EVO is 3 times faster. I bought the 32GB Optane module as soon as it came out, turns out Intel SSDs are not supported by Optane. It literally says it in the fine print on their website. I'll never waste money on Intel storage again.

@SpecialEDy 6 лет назад

Add to that, anytime the BIOS is flashed or reset, Optane deletes the partitions on all the drives since it is RAID, and they have to be recovered on a separate machine. It took 3 times of me formatting and reinstalling windows to figure out recovering the partitions because of Optane.

@ABaumstumpf 6 лет назад

*" It literally says it in the fine print on their website. I'll never waste money on Intel storage again."* Well - really? You Fucked up. And those 2 SSDs don't really compete when the Intel SSD is nearly 100$ cheaper - of course it is slower. intel SSDs aren't the best price/performance, but here it is your fault and yours alone.

@SpecialEDy 6 лет назад

ABaumstumpf the Intel 600p is more expensive than the Samsung 960 EVO...

@twoUTF 6 лет назад

@antraxbeta23 6 лет назад

waw you bought a intel optane module to speed up a ssd xD , GJ you failed @ tech

@mach1one 6 лет назад

Samsung 960 Pro SSD is the king in the castle!

@TheDragonFire123 6 лет назад

...For consumers.

@robbeandredstone7344 5 лет назад

No, kings ston is.

@Kabelman 4 года назад

not even close optane is insanely fast in iops, espacially optane dc persistent memory. He did not test it for its purpose database speed

@noeperard8843 4 года назад

Large code compile times might be an interesting benchmark to do on a SSD.

@PischkePerformance 6 лет назад

As you can see at 3:07 118GB is barely enough space to even run benchmarks.

@issyfidds2314 6 лет назад

yeah your right

@mz-pd5hw 6 лет назад

Windows is not the only OS, by the way, may be the product is not designed with Windows in mind, that's probably why is not black with skulls and gamer stamped everywhere in the box. Could be used for cache or non Windows boot drives. My whole OS with programs takes 18GB, with more care would be less.

@ouwkyuha 6 лет назад

mz2281694 ofc it's not windows alone, they were benchmarking.

@lucasrem 6 лет назад

Pischke Performance Linus and Pischke, it's not a storage device! Use the cloud for storage, local files, why? You are all 1995 people, first installing DOS, then Windows on top, that was 1995! Now we just boot now using some local crap for that only, I/O sys, command com?

@runescapefan0001 6 лет назад

Lol that drive is FULL

@LeBeautiful 6 лет назад

I think this SSD can put my Dyson into RAID 0

@johndoe1220 6 лет назад

LeBeautiful Nigga I see you everywhere

@omkar4975 6 лет назад

Modafakrr I'm still using Pentium 3 Procesar for counter strike: condiction zero I don't have $hit money to buy a low end PC 😤 im pro Gamer

@lucasrem 6 лет назад

LeBeautiful This SSD? What SSD? Gamer's.....Linus, remove this chat crap section please!!!

@internettroll7497 6 лет назад

Yo lebaldy

@JaySmith-cd1ln 6 лет назад

Take your filthy upvote :)

@MsHojat 6 лет назад

Increased storage space increases write durability as well though, so if a drive had 4x the storage space for the same cost, the other would need to have 4x the durability just to break even.

@TheAknok 6 лет назад

The response time may be very good in specific use cases. Caching of course or general databases may show significant gains.

@SonIQBukucuIlberOrtayli 6 лет назад

Does it run Dyson?

@CompproB237 6 лет назад

Nah, it doesn't suck enough. It's got the price right though.

@davidkrocks 6 лет назад

good question. I will answer this question After this message from cablemod...

@llothar68 6 лет назад

Can it keep a copy of Star Citizen ? No :-(

@SJ-dm1ls 6 лет назад

Son IQ Bükücü İlber Ortaylı what's this joke about

@claudiolluberes111 6 лет назад

SJ About how a lot of people hated the recent Dyson video.

@ViperoK 6 лет назад

0:46 Tunnel bear: oh so this is who you chose over me? Linus: you aren't the same anymore :(. Tunnel bear: oh i see how it is. Cable mode: Linus got tired of you, now leave. tunnel bear: well i am happier with mcafee now anyway.

@nimoy007 6 лет назад

Godly MangoMC Do you feel better getting that little narrative off your chest?

@youtuberobbedmeofmyname 6 лет назад

nice fan fic bro. my mcm would cry to this

@mdd1963 6 лет назад

Perhaps it was just a 1 year contract w/ TunnelBear? :)

@Slepepe 6 лет назад

tunnelbear LUL

@KaozVirtus 6 лет назад

Mcafee is trash 😂

@MistaJones89 6 лет назад

"Speaking of things to disagree about, the way we integrate sponsors!" hahaha

@tsuki_eg 6 лет назад

oh my god i got a crucial SSD ad i am laughing so hard xD

@Johanneslol11 6 лет назад

Virtual machines... :) In large networks it is very common to have lots of people ask for small bits of data. These data switches so fastly that normal ssd's would not be able to process it. also it will kill there writing speeds. Also something like a router might use these speeds to keep a cache of the proxy making it easier to serve more data, what also changes a lot. :) The last one i can think off is for services as a drive that will cache system images for sending around the network, these files are often stored on large drives but if used with EXSI he might be able to transfer these files to this drive for easy access. >>> think this to itpeernetwork.intel.com/configuring-vmware-esxi-benchmarking-intel-optane-ssd/

@JamesDoud 6 лет назад

It definitely seems that this drive was designed for low latency throughput, that should tell you right away that it is for networks. This would be good in a thin client set up where the data is served through the network. In large campus setups this would be great, and the price to speed ratio would be justified, as for Admin, time is money, and latency is the biggest killer of time. I do not think this is built for the consumer market, it does not make any sense for that market. It also is not good for heavy load apps like games and video processing, so that makes sense that it would be marketed to the server/thin client networks like shopping centers, universities, big call centers, government offices, that sort of thing.

@Johanneslol11 6 лет назад

:) Yes though for tin clients the data throughput inside the network is the biggest bottleneck. If i look at my job place, using this makes more sense with EXSI live migration for example. Where you move one virtual machine from one server location to the other without downtime. This will take serious impact on the disk, even it does not go offline. Also the things like the database are not running on these virtual machines but are separate. For consumers this makes no sense like you said, you would not notest a difference between 1 or two seconds less. Edit: check this website to, it clearly shows it market > www.tweaktown.com/articles/8096/intels-optane-debut-dc-p4800x-3d-xpoint-ssd/index.html

@TheAguydude 6 лет назад

I'm skeptical about this being useful for VMs. The VM host doesn't need much disk, so it can mostly sit around in ram. The guest hard drives are too large for this approach to be cost effective. Maybe if your system is based heavily around micro-services and docker, but even then I'd be a bit skeptical. The kinds of people who run systems like that probably want a ton of RAM, at which point having this drive doesn't matter. I can almost see it for routers, but I routers like cost-cutting too much for this to be viable any time soon.

@2drealms196 6 лет назад

Swap drives too. SSDs have write limitations making them not ideal to house one's swap files.

@stefanl5183 6 лет назад

"Swap drives too. SSDs have write limitations making them not ideal to house one's swap files." Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

@TechMeNowTV 6 лет назад

Kitchen :D

@exploding2904 6 лет назад

wtf xD

@luminescentlion 6 лет назад

Nostalgia for the old studio

@gasper5223 6 лет назад

They could bake some eggs on a gtx 480

@confusedkemono 6 лет назад

fake bananas :D

@Danirio96 6 лет назад

I'm the only one who's tired of the terrible acting of Dennis, Ed, etc ?

@az09letters92 6 лет назад

The problem is probably in Windows I/O model. Specifically that all those kernel side layers (filter drivers, etc.) add so much latency to I/O requests that the difference between SSDs is just not very visible. Once Windows gets a faster I/O model, I'd expect small random read I/O (read: most that affects booting up, loading executables, etc.) to be up to 3x faster.

@ajhieb 6 месяцев назад

By no means is this a typical use case, but I have several of the 118GB drives (mirrored) in my TrueNAS servers, to hold the dedup tables for my NVMe drives that store VMs and containers.

@marashah.ibrahim 6 лет назад

Is no one going to talk about the *hiss* in the audio?

@marashah.ibrahim 6 лет назад

Mever expected something like that from someone as professional as Linus.

@AggBaddie 6 лет назад

it was just released

@Debaucus 6 лет назад

Major hiss in this one.

@afc8981 6 лет назад

There's a snake in your machine.

@hiro9001 6 лет назад

do you mean the white noise?

@TrollGamerStudios 6 лет назад

cablemods: extra thicc cables

@logan_kes 6 лет назад

Parker Rose thiccc*

@adityakshirsagar5383 6 лет назад

Wrong it's T.H.I.C.C

@rexevans100 6 лет назад

Parker Rose aku: EXTRA THICC

@hyziu 6 лет назад

T H I C C

@danilap8994 6 лет назад

The Canadian "sorry" lol (6:40)

@eivinlaukhammer7449 6 лет назад

You could use it to store you DAW's and Plugins in order to further reduce the live monitoring latency with plugins and fx enabled, sure you would have to have a low latency audio interface and/or AD/DA converter but then it wouldn't be your computer system that would be bottlenecking the process.

@felixbillington6151 6 лет назад

He put that hard drive back so softly. It’s probably already been dropped countless times.

@KnifeChampion 6 лет назад

Finally "on fleek" is gonna die out :D Im so glad thx Linus

@NebRetalsJr 6 лет назад

Knife Ivan It never lived. Never heard of it.

@Matt-ir1ky 6 лет назад

Pfft. Benny Slater never heard of your slang? Dudn't even exist, son.

@TANMAN9095 6 лет назад

I am twenty two.

@gabrieldavid7328 6 лет назад

C R 13.

@poliak9 6 лет назад

OMG transition so smooth you got me again

@hardboiled7467 6 лет назад

WHERE IS MY TUNNELBEAR!?

@rosoboy 6 лет назад

Getting bought by McAfee

@gertoja1844 5 лет назад

Not coming back

@bimardwi 5 лет назад

Go to chocotaco's video

@jag0937eb 5 лет назад

exactly my thoughts WHERE IS IT???

@JJAB91 5 лет назад

JAG 0937 EB TunnelBear was bought out by McAfee and Linus didn't like their change in ethical practices so thats why they don't have them as a sponsor anymore.

@whatsforsupa 6 лет назад

Intel has paid me recently so I think their Optane products are really nice

@williamcricket7931 6 лет назад

whatsforsupa Sellout

@HarryL2020 6 лет назад

Shut up scrub.

@POLICE30046 6 лет назад

This makes me want to buy intel products

@thebananaman8554 6 лет назад

FirstResponder Where do I sign up!?

@billyboo2864 6 лет назад

Dude did you watch the same video? This was an overwhelmingly negative review.

@mike--0 6 лет назад

Hey Linus, wouldn't you be able to force page file to use optane as RAM?

@stevobox8726 6 лет назад

it will still be much much slower than just buying more RAM. pagefile gets written from and to RAM, so at best you get double the latency

@mike--0 6 лет назад

shendriksza although true, ram prices are out of control.

@mike--0 6 лет назад

C R not necessarily. If you already have let's say 4-8gb as ram. Then the page file will only be used after you exceed your ram limit. It might last longer than you think.

@budthecyborg4575 6 лет назад

+AncientFury SLC SSD's already have 10x more endurance than MLC. If Samsung makes an SLC SSD it would perfectly match the specs of Intel Optane. www.tomsguide.com/us/ssd-value-performance,review-1455-6.html

@HolyVampires 6 лет назад

Well think Anchentfury is on the right track. atleast as far as intel is marketing it. as a slow ram replacement for datacenter there hinting for it in there promo vidoes. and is compering it to ram aloot. www.intel.com.tr/content/www/tr/tr/architecture-and-technology/intel-optane-technology.html

@Diamondragan 6 лет назад

This would be a fantastic time to show live tests of real usage of page file as exclusive RAM replacement. I have been unable to find much in searches. With the idea of Optane as a low-latency storage, why not disable RAM and force all memory usage through the 3D Xpoint SSD? Pit it against other storage devices and see if any of them even work at all. One guy on Tom's Hardware was able to play GTA V (albeit horribly) with RAM limited to 2GB and with a SATA3 SSD page file. If that works, what could you do with an Optane page file? If this already exists, I would appreciate a link to that demonstration.

@chrisedwards3866 6 лет назад

Diamondragan it's probably possible, and IMHO is one of the better ways to demonstrate how fast it really is without boring people to sleep with charts. Hopefully someone does exactly that test. But for the GTA example I'd have some concern over if/how it was also using video memory. It's not a good business-case demonstration, but it's a great way to grab attention and make people realize that it has new capabilities that older technology couldn't offer.

@aaron552au 6 лет назад

Pages on disk are inaccessible until they are copied back to RAM, so it's not possible to replace RAM with a swap file (it's impossible by definition). If the Optane device does MMIO, then it might be possible to use it as a RAM replacement, but most PCIE devices don't have large MMIO regions, if any, and I don't think Windows is designed to be able to use MMIO regions as RAM.

@hanro50 6 лет назад

Windows being closed source is a bottleneck here and I doubt Microsoft will waste money on a niche platform which might require complete rewrites to central operating files. You'd have to basically fork your own Linux destro to get some form of OS running on that setup. Might be fantastic for remote computers that have to continue working even if they suffer power failure

@ashwadhwani 6 лет назад

Huge market of users who'll pay 200 to have their comp boot 2 secs faster than their neighbors ;)

@dlat80 6 лет назад

I guess Intel doesn't pay not as much as Dyson...

@AnnaVahtera 6 лет назад

But it sucks more? ;)

@bananobanana1870 6 лет назад

One negation too much?

@presterjohn71 6 лет назад

The second negation was sponsored by Websters dictionary.

@vampov 6 лет назад

Intel must have hired the genius from Microsoft that thought the Windows 8 GUI was a good idea.

@lextr3110 6 лет назад

i'm sure Microsoft kept the idiot and gave him a promotion.. hahaha

@eriksvensson2098 6 лет назад

vampov I for one enjoyed win 8. Compared to 10 it feels miles better

@chrisedwards3866 6 лет назад

Actually, there is a huge source of demand for Optane. It's just not in the consumer market, and Intel has been rather slow to release these larger capacities. And yeah the Windows 8 GUI was a nightmare that Microsoft should have abandoned. At minimum they should have realized that it only really works with touchscreens.

@taiiat0 6 лет назад

+Chris Edwards i mean, i think they did. they created a Phone/Console Operating System UI, then decided everybody would want it too because reasons.

@numb3r663 6 лет назад

i have windows 8 on a touch screen....it sucks....beta tested windows 8 and told them it was going to bomb.

@dubmode152 6 лет назад

for anyone wondering, the track in the intro is Skeewiff & Syd Dale - First Steps

@zinsy23 6 лет назад

That blooper xD. What music is that? Lol

@CombatGod 6 лет назад

This drive has huge business potential and for commercial use. Some of what I do is setup POS system at restaurants. This would be amazing for Restaurant touchscreens POS systems. Especially in a busy place where their database can reach up to 1 gig. Even though it doesn't seem like a lot of data. When you have 7 terminals all working on it during a busy rush hour you have no idea how much a system can get slowed down. Even half a second delay going between order screens is a long time to wait for a waitress putting in 6 orders for 30+ people. That easily adds up to minutes waiting for the system to respond. Also, these systems are just barebones Windows7/10 so space isn't an issue at all.

@LinusTechTips 6 лет назад

That's a great use case!

@wesleyellis9451 6 лет назад

Given that almost every commercial PC I’ve ever touched runs an Intel processor of some sort, maybe that price per GB issue could be softened with a package deal when the manufacturers are building their motherboards.

@chrisedwards3866 6 лет назад

So much this. It doesn't have much consumer use, but for business use it is massive. It's basically at a midpoint between RAM and SSDs, but it's priced closer to SSDs. That makes it awesome. And if you put it in a high-throughput server farm, it'll do wonders.

@giff74 6 лет назад

Kind of meh, I just can't get excited about it.

@dskwared2u610 6 лет назад

I bought the 960 Pro M.2 for my build. My coworker's son found a gaming PC already built on Newegg around Christmas that had the Optane. I talked him out of that one and I built him a PC and used Crucial's M.2. I haven't checked lately but Crucial had some rockin prices around Christmas.

@simonnielsen1525 10 месяцев назад

This drive is not suited for the vast amount of consumers.But extremely useful as an accelerator/cache in certain niche use-cases.

@Zizzily 6 лет назад

This really makes me wonder if Intel is getting much lower yields than they expected. Either that or they're trying to decrease price by increasing volume. It almost just seems like proof of concept, or something to go between the 16/32GB Optane "Memory" and the 900P as far as pricing goes to make things look nicer in their line-up for investors or just to keep Xpoint in the news? It mostly just seems like something to try and compete with high RAM prices, though. For now, besides as a scratch disk, or, you can't get Intel Optane working as memory, at least a place to put your page file. Or perhaps for just running specific programs that require performance at low queue depths. Perhaps to be used mostly as an OS/Page File/certain app drive while most other stuff is either on your SSD or HDD? Maybe for users of stuff like CAD, GIS mapping, etc. where you need a ton of RAM but can't afford it right now?

@TheMacfruit 6 лет назад

Zzyzx Wolfe tbh the driver nightmare probably only applies to windows

@Spec4D 6 лет назад

I think your guess about keeping their investors happy via "mindshare is market share" is probably right. I'm not complaining though. It's always nice to see what are essentially datacenter products available to the masses. Also keep in mind that Intel tends to be a slow and careful company when it comes to investing in new products. Another factor is that Intel has such a long history of high profit margins that they tend to overprice new products. They'd much rather tip their toes in the consumer market with Optane then jump in head first. As the products get cheaper it's easier to expand an existing product channel then create a new one. Make no mistake all signs point to 3d x-point being the future of Intel storage tech; it's just taking longer then Intel's short sighted investors would like.

@alienrenders 6 лет назад

Yeah, it looks like bad parts that they're trying to offload.

@myselfremade 6 лет назад

Yeah this drive is for Linux users to use as swap. Setting it up is pretty easy and it is an order of magnitude better than a regular SSD

@Spec4D 6 лет назад

I have actually been wondering about that. In Linux swap is handled a lot better then the windows pagefile. In practice 8gb of ram and a 64gb optane drive(with appropriate settings set) might actually outperform a system with 32gb of RAM in typical workloads. There are a lot of excellent niche uses for optane; it's just not worth the money for a typical windows desktop consumer(or prosumer for that matter)

@thephantom1492 6 лет назад

I do not see the point in this. Get a good samsung nvme instead. Get two instead maybe? One for boot, one for data and/or scratch. The performance difference is so small that you won't notice, but the extra space you have now allow you to put more stuff on it, more accelerated stuff!

@superderpyderps 5 лет назад

@@tf2excession That doesn't help a consumer product have a purpose. Optane is great for datacenters and very specific work station loads, but this product is consumer facing and it falls flat in any metric that a consumer is going to care about

@noaht5654 6 лет назад

The four wall is all over the floor! Nice ad transition.

@CyberiusT 6 лет назад

Thankyou for this one! I was just considering adding one of these to my new build. Looks like I'll be saving a few dollars for now.

@TechDunk 6 лет назад

The cheapest 120 GB SSD will do for my os, main programs and youtube editing

@rustyshackleford5668 6 лет назад

Dr. Dunk Funny you mention that..I just got my SSD yesterday for 50 bucks

@tylerweigand8875 6 лет назад

I wouldn't say the cheapest, since some 120gb ssds aren't exactly that great. You definitely don't need to spend that much though: something relatively cheap ($50 ish) such as an SL308 or BX300 would do fine.

@lutyanoalves444 6 лет назад

got one here with a hdd for games. why would u need more in 2018?

@badass6300 6 лет назад

+Dr. Drunk the Cheapest SSD is and will be the Most Expensive SSD you buy.

@skyy9590 6 лет назад

Microcenter has 120gb store brand for $30

@StefsEngineering 6 лет назад

Something (somewhat related) that could be cool to test is the difference in performance between an HDD, SSD, NVME and virtual disc on ram. I am thinking of professional use, things as video rendering/exporting and CAD software with very large assemblies (a company where I worked a year ago had assemblies containing upwards of 13k parts that took about 10 to 15 minutes to load in solidworks)

@dstblj5222 6 лет назад

Man that sucks on solid works load. Did you guys try running it all of a SQL server, that seemed to make that less of a issue for use, and management liked it cause we could spend less on hardware.

@StefsEngineering 6 лет назад

Im not sure, there was a PDM system but even with all the files local it took quite a while. (well over 10 minutes.) With assemblies of well over 10k parts even the small things make a big difference, for example with concentric mates. It made for example quite a difference after we selected "lock rotation" on all these mates.

@dstblj5222 6 лет назад

Yeah we mostly worked on sub assemblies for that reason by that point you basically never touch the main model.

@StefsEngineering 6 лет назад

Same here, but now and then you needed more information to check fit. But usally the assemblies where 5/8 levels deep.

@dstblj5222 6 лет назад

yeah that was why never really booted the main assembly just had it updating and would spread like 10 different clones of it which would check with each other, and all the people in the office had a way to pull up those copies onto their monitors.

@BradlehDadleh 6 лет назад

lol dat advertisement segue made me laugh. Nice job.

@MrJackCookie 6 лет назад

7:31 What the hell is the background doing???

@Deadpixelator 6 лет назад

i really like your new kitchen set, but can you please use a tripod for your red camera it is really noticeable. also i don't think optane is at a viable price now because of nand storage prices now so high

@slash7303 5 лет назад

I didnt notice it till I read your comment but now its really bugging me lol

@cona1432 6 лет назад

can the Optane fit in to the m.2 USB Stick ?

@Carrosive 6 лет назад

Please don't

@Luniii737 6 лет назад

The m.2 USB stick from the previous video doesn't support NVMe.

@highlander723 6 лет назад

Even if it could you're going to face a bottleneck with USB 3 so what's the point

@twoUTF 6 лет назад

no probably not. it only supports sata m.2

@danielgidoni 6 лет назад

highlander723 not through thunderbolt

@seanhelling 6 лет назад

I laughed SO hard at your second sponsor intro

@ChuckNorris-lf6vo Год назад

Kinda good video a bit of a dead end on some important points and unsolved mysteries but still very good that there is someone to do all this and say all this. So keep it up.

@999bmxbandit 6 лет назад

This actually makes a huge difference in development workflows where you have multiple resources pulling from disk. A great example is if you're running your development environment and it has a caching layer and a database that you're using (let's say you're using docker compose so all are sitting on your machine). Reducing read latency on both a cache and a database will make highly noticeable differences.

@KNightstyleZ 6 лет назад

*"Thermaltake P90"* - Spray & Pray

@StaK_1980 6 лет назад

That stock footage in the background was more interesting (distracting ) than the actual benchmark data :-)

@techtosterone9997 6 лет назад

Happy to see a kitchen style backdrop/ground. Feels like the oldies LTT videos.

@Rene2u9 6 лет назад

i guess optane in ultrabooks would be nice..

@nikhilpaleti3872 4 года назад

This is less expensive than RAM and Optane is Optane, so the 120GB variant makes a lot of sense. Do a basic install and let it be used as the Page File. Or maybe, boot off of a cheap, 256GB SATA SSD and let the 60GB version be as an individual disk only for Page File Purposes, meaning you will almost get 64GB RAM for significantly lower cost. This is great for mid-range gamers and freelance Content Creators who don't have a company to pay for them, I guess

@TheBetterGame 6 лет назад

As to the sponsors, This is the first time i've seen something you featured and clicked the link. I think I might actually grab one of those P90's.

@aftli 6 лет назад

Compiling very large C++ projects can use a HUGE amount of random read access, and I feel the lower latency might be a selling point there.

@khhoaiii 6 лет назад

I bought a Samsung Evo 850 500gb for $150 two years ago. Today you can get a 1tb for around $220. This product is a definite epic fail.

@scottymsu6063 4 года назад

Intel try to claim Optane as ram. I remember computer being sold as 16gig Ram but only have 8gig real Ram and 8gig Optine cache drive... such fake marketing BS

@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart 3 года назад

Eh, to be honest it IS a form of Random Access Memory. It just isn't DDR4 RAM. Pretty scummy of the sistem integrator and Intel to encourage that confusion

@sevenstrings7eve 6 лет назад

What it is for is IRST hybrid drives which have the solid state portion capped at 60GB but the price makes it obsolete when compared to solid state drives.

@Javich 6 лет назад

Not sure if anyone else already posted something similar, but here it goes: A good market (IMO) is Software Development. When building (compiling) source code to binary (such as C/C++, Java) several read/write operations are required, latency in these operations could be ignored if this was used for a build server, however, if a developer is working on a project, let's say, a fairly big web application, iterations on building/compiling/running are required to develop/test the software piece. Having a drive with low latencies for random read/write operations will reduce the time required for those cycles.

@randomdude4669 6 лет назад

Damn rip linus hair

@josephnevin 6 лет назад

Random Dude dang.. Noticed the same

@cesarposadasatamusic 6 лет назад

This is what happens after using that Dyson thing on your head...

@mrscreamer379 6 лет назад

My hair did that at about the same age. Within 3 years it was gone. Linus Scalp Tips to 100k subscribers!

@Floydarn 6 лет назад

I don't think it's that bad, he's just using the wrong hair product! He totally need some wax and salt spray! Pete and pedros anyone?

@mrscreamer379 6 лет назад

He should take a razor to it. The dollar shave club would throw more money at him.

@MrMoxes 6 лет назад

It sounds to me that Intel did not entirely anticipate the NAND shortages when they started Optane development & they already poured a lot of R&D into it. Judging by their push for storage solutions, it also seems like they are trying to get into that market & compete with Samsung. They just lack the time in the space to make a big impact. We'll have to see.

@ccaygen 6 лет назад

makes sense for high frequency trading servers

@ml_serenity 4 года назад

Except for their disk IOPS shouldn't affect the performance of the trading system at all. RAM is still waaaaay faster than Optane.

@benjaminlynch9958 6 лет назад

I can think of a couple scenarios where this would be useful: (1) as an SSD cache in a NAS environment (2) as virtual memory in situations where there isn’t enough physical system memory available.

@swiift03 6 лет назад

Dedicated arma 3 drive

@thisismychannel2636 6 лет назад

LOL "SSDs are finally at the point where their costs have fallen and their capacity is so high mechanical hard drives are [no longer needed]". Newegg has a Samsung SSD 1tb for $330 and a 1tb HDD from seagate being $70.

@lordmuhehe4605 6 лет назад

I think he was talking about system drives. For mass storage, HDDs are obviously cheaper.

@christianmoore7109 6 лет назад

Exactly. That’s why I use a 2TB HDD for most things; it’s so much cheaper.

@christianmoore4666 6 лет назад

Christian Moore Umm i too use a 2tb hdd and am named christian moore Help

@user-pg7oj4cb9z 6 лет назад

Christian Moore Some of us aren’t champ asses.

@bobhumplick4213 6 лет назад

the 1tb wd blue is only about 45 usd on newegg all the time. its a great drive reliable and fast. but i think linus meant for average person with a mid to highend system and only a couple steam games. i think he meant it was "possible" to replace your hdd with an ssd if you only need 500gb-1tb and its not a budget system. but if you gotta lot of stuff its hard to beat an ssd + hdd como setup

@gregkramer5588 6 лет назад

Probably not for typical home users but from an embedded standpoint it is easy to find uses.

@CdrSonan 3 года назад

This will probably never be read, but there are people doing animation work in Blender who use these to get better viewport performance when working on scenes with a physics cache. In Blender, the physics cache of each frame is only loaded after the previous frame is fully displayed, so in some cases, drive latency can become the bottleneck for the framerate. This goes as far that some people have reported getting double the FPS in the Blender viewport when. running their cache off an Optane drive rather than a „normal“ nvme SSD

@NerdyResearcher 6 лет назад

I think that Intel is well aware that this is not gonna sell well. But this technology is innovative and it needs to hit the market so people can see it. I am sure that other companies have the same if not faster and more reliable storage solutions , but are not presenting them cause of the cost. In my eyes Intel has balls for presenting that product because they already know it will flop at the beginning at that price. Innovation needs sacrifices , experiments and risks

@timcotton2350 6 лет назад

Yeah, no. What you described is exactly how Intel NEVER behaves. They don't push a niche-market product to gain exposure for it. You are also wrong that "other companies have the same if not faster and more reliable storage solutions". There's a good reason the Samsung 960 PRO was the comparison product for this. Samsung is way ahead on successful insertion of 3D-NAND. Toshiba, Hynix, and Winbond are all at various stages of development, with only Toshiba having a product currently identified for market using their BICS process. There are two small companies attempting to make viable super-fast memory using non-standards techniques, but they've been at it for 4 and 6 years respectively, with nothing but early press releases to show for their efforts.

@taiiat0 6 лет назад

and if we go back into the real world - yes the product will flop and Intel knows it, but Optane 900 Series is going to be bought up really fast for Datacenters, to make the entire world faster. Write Endurance and Latency are the two biggest desires for all Data Centers so they'll be buying this shit by the boat load.

@chrisedwards3866 6 лет назад

Nope and nope. If anyone else had anything faster than SSDs, they'd be shouting about it from the high heavens. NO ONE is hiding any faster storage technology, no one. Either they don't have it, or they're working on it as hard as they can to see if it's actually possible to manufacture it. Memory and storage speed isn't merely a "build it and they will come" business, it's a "build it and they will trip over themselves to buy as much as they can" business. You won't see that on the consumer side. But data centers? Oh dear god, it's either they buy this or they buy more RAM. And with 120GB of RAM costing something like $1000 or more, Intel is giving them the deal of a lifetime by selling this at $200. Intel could price it at $400 and sell tons of it.

@mangshu21 6 лет назад

From what i know optane uses almost 100 different materials for manufacturing and it is gonna be expensive for now. No biggie, since optane is faster than a sata ssd and matches and outperforms nvme at certain workloads. That you won't utilise the full performance is a different story but u do get lower latency. Oh and does the optane have to be twice as good as a 960?? like is it really mandatory?.. A good sata ssd is great for most people and the optane destroys most sata ssds.. the read and write speeds are fantastic for the avg consumer even if they don't need it. Random performance is amazing aswell. Other then the capacity, price and 1000x faster claims by Intel there's not much to complain. Performance seem pretty good. Endurance is well.. better than mlc nand.

@mangshu21 6 лет назад

oh and it uses only 2 lanes..Good i guess if u have multiple pci ssds

@marlonrauscher5910 6 лет назад

1tb hdd for the same as 128gb ssd? No replacement for me...

@Umbrailism 6 лет назад

3:56 Is that the old Windows maze screensaver in the background?

@seanC3i 4 года назад

Watched this video near enough to two years later and Optane is still insanely expensive. It would be awesome if it were made feasible for consumers/gamers because (from what I read years ago) Optane does not have the limited rewrite cycle issues of TLC/QLC NAND flash, so you'd never have to replace it, but in terms of value for money and performance, you're still better off buying a WD Black NVME drive or something where you can get a terabyte for under $200. Maybe some day Optane/3DXPoint will be an option for normal people, but I'm not going to wait around for it.

@thedodob1rd 6 лет назад

Get a normal one, or a m.2. I seen in a video that it slows down. For example if I want to play gta and then overwatch. It will be slow. this is glorified RAM. If I boot the same game and then a new one. all the memory will be used. and you'll have to get a new one. It slows down and doesn't have enough storage. It will only be worth it if you only play a few games. And it just makes no sense. I may have mistaken these for their cache. Thanks Linus. :)

@LinusTechTips 6 лет назад

This is not a cache drive. It's intended to be used as a regular SSD.

@thedodob1rd 6 лет назад

Linus Tech Tips Oh. Derp. didn't Intel make one though. Thanks for reply

@Just_call_me_M 6 лет назад

this is so faking rare i wanna take a screen shot

@thedodob1rd 6 лет назад

IkingKwI Lol. I thought it was the cache thing. Then he replied. I'm not sure if I made myself look stupid or not to him...

@STRmw2 6 лет назад

I wish you would review things the same way even when sponsored.

@Lowkas 5 лет назад

He... He said he doesnt recommend it, the price is too high and its marketing doesnt make sense. What else does he need to do? Call Intel names?

@emu071981 6 лет назад

Hopefully they get their Xpoint DIMM setup done right and properly supported*. Being able to "launch" programs directly from RAM rather then having to load them from a mass storage device will make things so much responsive even compared to a fast NVMe drive. * It is possible to basically store the program in memory in the state that it would be when you first launch it and use Copy On Write when the program wants to modify it's self in memory. There was support in the Linux kernel for this using NAND memory but I think it was dropped quite a few years ago due to a lack of support and it not being used enough.

@gabrielvasconcelos4055 6 лет назад

Probably to get some monetary return while demonstrating the advance on their research about reducing storage latency. Although not really consumer grade, these are notorious numbers that perhaps Samsung already knew about (or was close to) but didn't release anything about yet because it isn't really easy to sell at this price per gigabyte ratio.

@TheXev 6 лет назад

58GBs for a boot drive?! I was worried that wasn't enough back in 2002 running Windows XP with a slimmed down nLite installation!? Intel clearly needs to increase the random drug test Inside the company. Intel:Drug testing outside

@MisterCOM 6 лет назад

i use an old 60 g ssd as one and 1 dualboot on it

@Johanneslol11 6 лет назад

I think Linus is going at this for the wrong view, this is ment for system administrators as caching drives for enterprise servers.

@franspai7415 6 лет назад

RealTheXev windows 10 is like 15gb, whats the problem with 58gb?

@temp50 6 лет назад

Windows 10 is about 100GB+ ...

@piotrkrolikowski9335 6 лет назад

@Johanneslol11 except intel doesn't seem to be marketing it that way.

@ElGamerXL 6 лет назад

Extra T H I C C wires

@Wourghk 6 лет назад

A performing musician with a small sample library for live work may find one useful. Low latency for disk streaming is fairly important in this context, but the practical application would be limited unless RAM is insufficient, as most sample playback software will prefer to cache data in memory when operating at the tiny audio buffer sizes necessary for live play.

@cainzjussYT 6 лет назад

sounds like a grate place to put my pagefile and cache files, there are so many of them. My HDD is on its knees and the SSD can handle it... but still have enough wait time on large projects that i get bored and start bugging people

@DavidFrostbite 6 лет назад

Optane has been a solution looking for a problem from the beginning. The real question is: why are we still talking about it?

@Nathaniel_Peterson 6 лет назад

Agreed. The revolution is over. We have SSDs and they work great. These marginal boosts in performance are not compelling at all. Just get the cheapest SSD you can find and enjoy.

@dougtle 6 лет назад

Linus is probably feeling guilty about taking sponsor money and promoting Optane many months ago.

@chrisedwards3866 6 лет назад

KillTheMethod LOL, maybe for consumers - which is a low-profit area. But for businesses and especially data centers / server farms, this is exactly what those companies have been asking for. They will pay through the nose for anything faster than current SSDs. Because do you know what one other technology is faster than current SSDs? It's RAM. So either they buy more RAM, or they buy these. And you don't need to look at RAM prices for very long to realize just how valuable these things are.

@Nathaniel_Peterson 6 лет назад

I speak to the consumer base exclusively. I have no idea what the demands of the commercial market are.

@TheAppleEnthusiast 6 лет назад

thats a lot of money for a useless amount of storage a Samsung EVO 950 Pro 256GB is perfect with a secondary 2TB Drive

@blahblah7720 6 лет назад

you can use the evo as a cache for the 2TB drive?How do you do that?

@TheAppleEnthusiast 6 лет назад

no i mean like the evo with a 2TB drive is a perfect storage solution

@MarioManTV 6 лет назад

Blahblah Intel SRT does exactly this: www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005501/boards-and-kits.html

@Wargon2013 6 лет назад

Still running a old SATA 128GB SSD + 2TB HDD setup but this works perfectly fine. Can't boot as fast as a modern notebook (better SSD basically) but windows boot time is absolutely no issue and while the HDD is slow in comparison, its cheap and just has so much space. When I make the move to nvme, I would probably go for a 256 + 2TB as well. ...games are getting bigger and bigger and my current 128GB SSD only has 30GB left and I didn't install that much on it.

@bobsagget823 6 лет назад

Primocache lets you use SSD as cache. Better than intel SRT and whatever garbage amd rebranded.