Why Did Megatron Become Weaker After TF-1 

Michael Bay: Yeah, what he said.

I love how the writers also forgot Megatron was a gladiator and seasoned Veteran when it came to combat.

When an Autobot dies, Optimus: We have lost a true warrior When a Decepticon dies, *Megatron doesn't even care*

Considering that Autobots were originally designed, by Primus, to be primarily scholars, medical workers, and generally fill more "aristocrat" type roles, while the bots that would become Decepticons were primarily manual labor, slaves, and gladiators, it makes sense that Megatron and the Decepticons would initially wipe the floor with The Primes and the Autobots.

I miss when megatron actually had the strength that made autobots shiver in fear. The megatron that ripped jazz in half like an insect

"Why do you have a hole in your chest"? Megatron: Upgrades people,upgrades.

Tf1: MEGATRON Tf2: Meg Tf3: Meh TF4: Galvatron TF5: Megatron

I like also how it’s kinda poetic that galvatron had a hole in his chest that can destroy things( like optimus’ blades). It’s sort of like his saying “try putting something in my chest now” in reference to tf1

“His whole right arm is bigger than his left” hmmm I wonder why 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Megatron: whips everyone's ass around like ragdolls Some highschool senior with a magic box: *im about to ends this man's whole career*

TF1 Megatron: *was a threat; beats the crap out of Optimus; and ripped Jazz in half* Post-TF1 Megatron: *was a side antagonist; gets destroyed by Optimus; had to double team him and still got demolished*

I feel like people forgot that when Megatron was revived they used other parts to replace his damaged ones and in TF3 he was weak due to being mortally wounded in TF2. Optimus Prime the entire time got stronger and newer weapons. It’s not Michael Bay and plot holes, it’s us not paying attention.

This was an awesome explanation. I always wondered if it was the disproportion physique that made Megatron a little slower compared to his first form. As you said it makes more sense as to why he was more formidable once he got his TF4 & 5 forms.

I appreciate your effort trying to make sense of the Bayformers. If only Michael Bay would've put that much effort.

Prime also was holding back because he wasn't sure he could bring himself to kill Megatron. He says "You left me no choice brother" he and Megs were very close so it's pretty in character for him to hold back.

The best Megatron design has to be TF5, he looks so badass and puts the fear back in him

Can we admit, hate it or love it, transformers was apart of all our childhoods, and someday you will miss those Michael bay explosions

Yep , called it Megatron is like that one guy who is almost finished in uno , but then everybody after him pulls a 4+ chain and he takes the hit

I really enjoyed the movies and appreciate you trying to make sense of Michael Bay’s unexplained character design choices. I’d also add that it’s interesting how in the first movie, Megatron refuses to opt for a human vehicle, due to his pride and sticks with his cybertronian jet. Whereas by the third film, he has been reduced to a shell of his former self, ruling the deceptions from the shadows as a veiled truck in the desert.

We need to give megatron a lot of credit since he was capable of going back to fighting Optimus after being dead for awhile. Not everyone gets a second chance, and to risk getting killed again with a new body that he hadn’t gotten used to yet is impressive.

Megatron needs to learn from Lockdown. less talking, more fighting.

Honestly, I missed Megatron being like he was in TF 1. Such a badass and doesn't take any crap from nobody.

The Mission city battle was when Optimus realized he needed to arm and train himself for fighting. That's why he took a sudden leap forward in combat effectiveness. This caught Megatron off guard while he was already in a vulnerable state.

For his Revenge of the Fallen/Dark of the Moon form, besides what you said about lack of experience in that body my theory is that his actual body was weakened since as we know his second body was made using what was left of his first form in combination with other Decepticon parts. His original body was left in the bottom of the ocean for a couple of years which might of been rusting/wearing down the body, in combination the donated parts that were used to rebuilt him came from a Constructicon (Little One/Scrapmetal) who was likely on the weaker end with how easily/fast the other Constructicons turned on him as well as potentially the other dead 2007 cons that were also at the bottom of the ocean. I think him taking up the shotgun in DOTM was a combination of what you said and due to the fact that he lost his ROTF fusion cannon due to the arm being chopped off, so it was likely both easier and more convenient to build a handheld fire arm over another integrated weapon as well as being better suited for Megatron's preferred fighting style. In general Megatron's body in ROTF/DOTM left him somewhat crippled and the Decepticons were too starved of resources and equipment to properly rebuild him to full capacity, so him being able to get a fresh new body from KSI was a dream opportunity for him.

"Who would you be without me, Prime ?"-Megatron

"He decides to open up his arms for a hug" Lmao😂😂😂😂😂

As an accompanying note on Galvatron's design, KSI advertised Stinger as more advanced than Bumblebee, but no such advertising was shown for Galvatron, but his alt-mode, a Freightliner Argosy, is the direct successor to the Freightliner FLA series of Cab Over Engine trucks, which just so happens to be the series of trucks that Optimus Prime's alt-mode in G1 came from.

Megaton does have some experience with blades considering he was a gladiator in Kaon before the war, but I don’t think he’s ever had to seriously fight with one in millions of years, so he’s probably just extremely rusty with them

A thing you forgot, in Revenge of the Fallen Megatron had extra weight in his legs as they were bigger and bulkier due to becoming a triple changer and having a tank alt mode. This slowed him down a lot more and it's noticeable when he kicks Optimus. The kick is rather slow and Optimus easily grabs his leg and stops the kick.

"We were brothers once!" "Once" This hurt cuz Megatron really just wanted to go home

I really like how in details, you notice in TF2 final battle Megatron slowly walking at Optimus and getting his own gun turned against him not doing anything to stop it, because he’s practically disabled in a body not fully his

A good theory could also be that on earth Optimus did some digging in human martial arts and warfare and "downloaded" as much as he could. If there is one thing we humans excels at its to make up ways to deliver alot of hurt

I think that In tf3, Megatron was still able to dish out insane amounts of damage which you can see when he wrecks sentinel, his issue was that he couldn’t take much damage

Megatron just doesn’t wanna kill his dear baby optimus

His Galvatron form felt most comfy to him as it very much fitted his style of combat

I always thought it was because Sam forced the Allspark into Megatrons core which permanently messed with his entire body since, you know. its basically his heart. On top of that he was left in the bottom of the ocean for a pretty long time and revived down there so the water could have messed up his insides or maybe some sea creatures got in there. Those were always my reasons for why he got weaker between 1 and 2.

the title should be optimus throws uno reverse card on megatron

I feel like that a name like “Trans theories” is not what you think it means

A lot of great points made, I especially like the idea that Megatron was controlling Galvatrons design despite the scientists efforts to make it look like Optimus, it makes sense why because it more resembles his original form. Nice explanation.

My favourite design of Megatron is the revenge of the fallen/rotf transformation because it wasn’t like his cybertronion jet form and was a cool looking cybertronion tank that could also fly and I have to admit my least favourite part about him is the way his left arm looks like it’s a scraplets arm and is tiny but out of the designs I like tlk megatrons blaster and how he can retract it and his battle mask is awesome, something we never saw on Megatron before.

He still cared for his home as always does do anything to save his home even in bad way

I'd always thought that the reason he got weaker in 2 and 3 was tied to his resurrection. His body was dropped into the Marianas Trench after the first movie, exposed to the highest pressures on earth as well as salt water and possibly thermal vents. Salt water is *not* good for metal. Combine that with the fact that another Decepticon had to be killed for spare parts, and Megatron is basically a Frankenstein's monster made of corpses. Jetfire in 2 established that age did affect the Transformers, causing them to rust and slowly fall apart. Megatron in Fallen and Dark of the Moon was basically rotting during those movies. It wasn't just weight distribution. His structural integrity was compromised because he was a walking corpse. Was my interpretation anyway.

I love how the designers made Megatrons figure to be a brawler, considering the lore behind Megatron.

Part of me would like to believe that the screenwriters put all of the different chassis modifications and new fighting noves in to support the theories you provide but honestly, they probably just tried to make megatron look meaner and more intimidating for each movie.

The dudes who made the movie probably didn’t even think of this

TF1 was the only movie where Megatron was actually intimidating

I watched this video so many times, and I forgot about this scene in ROTF, when Sam gets blown up by Megatron, Megatron gets hit by tank rounds and as he shoots his cannon his arm cocks back so many times as he shoots. As you said with Megatrons Gun reducing recoil in the first movie and the weight with Megatrons cannon in ROTF.

Technically, Megatron was really powerful in TF 1, because he could shrug of an ion blast from Optimus,and still shoot him. He could even take plenty of hits and still not die. But in rotf, be was weaker because he wasn't used to his new body, the bots that fixed him placed an allspark piece into his cavity,which gives Megatron a new body and a different fusion canon. In dark of the moon, he becomes a truck for a reason,he was tired and weakened,and he had a shotgun instead. In aoe, he was at least stronger than his rotf and dotm counterparts,but we still don't get to see what more he is capable of. In tlk,he had and even shorter screentime,but his abilities are stronger as well compare to rotf and dotm. So conclusion,his power level: TF 1: 120/100 Rotf: 70/100 Dotm: 15/100 AOE: 85/100 Tlk: 92/100 This is my opinion,you don't have to agree with me.

When Optimus kills grindor, he says "No prime please no"

MEGATRON in TF-1 was a SAVAGE.

4:47 I like when he says that Optimus broke Megatron's face. He basically described Optimus Prime.

"He is also equipped with a battle axe" My brother in Christ, that is a sword

"Optimus caught him off guard monologuing" Ah, Classic Megatron

My theory is that megatron is copying Optimus In the third movie he chose a truck mode like Optimus In the fourth movie he revived like Optimus Im the fifth movie he got a knight body like Optimus

I actually liked the fallen and DOTM megaton the best. The alt form is just so good imo, he gets amazing off road, good control and a cannon. Plus I just really love the design. Even if it’s the weakest form I still like it the best.

You seriously think that after *millions* of years of war on Cybertron, Optimus didn't learn how to beat Megatron, but after 2 years on Earth, he learned how to fight 3 transformers (including Megatron) at once?

Let’s be honest plot armor was to strong for even megs to handle

2:53 : megaton opens his arms up to optimus for a hug. Megatron;We we’re brothers once. Optimus: once. *slash*

I'm very new in the community and your explaining makes it easier for me to understand all the movies and characters thank you :)

Subbed. I love the breakdown and effort put into the Bayverse stories and intricacies. I have a feeling there’s an accidental greatness at times with these movies that what you explain fits in but may not have been part of the intent even.

Who would win An OP gigantic robot that lead to his planet’s downfall, tossed his arch-nemesis around like a ragdoll, tore an Autobot in half and literally destroyed everything in his way Or An ordinary teenager and the magic Rubik’s Cube the gigantic robot was looking for

HE'S BACK, HE'S ALIVE TRANS THEORIES IS HERE!!!!

If D&D wrote the Transformers trilogy: *"Yeah, we kinda forgot about Megatron's abilities"*

7:01 the hole is also to show off he has no spark/life force so it shows his true lack of a soul

Great video Trans and well said! After Megatron got revived he had no experience with his new body and because of that he wasn't really good at combat.He wasn't anywhere near his TF1 performance,and the weight distribution issue made him even more vulnerable in hand to hand attacks,if megatron hadn't had his backup then he would get destroyed by Prime.

I also thought the "Optimus was holding back" argument for the first film was sort of valid, but limited. The very fact that he was willing to undergo such a drastic measure to stop Megatron (committing suicide by pushing the Allspark into his own chest), both when planning and in the end of the final battle, shows you how desperate he was. Why would he choose such a drastic measure before simply fighting back harder (and still trying to be as careful as he can with the humans still in the city)?

I literally just found your videos, been a huge fan of the Transformers and Megatron happens to be my favourite character even though he's the bad guy, lol, he's just such a beast.. awesome work man, I love how you broke everything down.

Awesome theory, I love it! Although I would like to elaborate more on the part where you explain optimus losing to megatron. I can agree that optimus lost to megatron before and again, but I would like to elaborate. This is because optimus has only been in his new diesel truck body for a few day and he only discovered his uses in the body and like megatron fought for years in his 07 body. Megatron had the upper hand due to his combat record in his 07 body. I hope you find this theory useful and please drop a reply if you can. Have a good day.

I personally think that Prime was indeed holding back in the first film, it was pretty obvious because he wanted to sacrifice himself to end the war, that was his goal for that battle. In ROTF you could see how he fought as he was pissed that Megatron was revived so he was really in a fighting mode.

If only we had the tf1 megatron strength with his tf5 design

Awesome work as always, keep it up, God bless you.❤🙏

People forget megateon was trying to make a truce in dark of the moon, he just wanted to be in charge again. He wasn't even expecting to have to fight optimus

You know, you pointing things out like how the megatron fights scene in transformers 5 being an homage to the fight scene in rotf but he learned from his mistakes, is the type of thing that makes me realise that there was a little more thought being put in these movies than we originally believed. So micheal bay should be praising you for lowering the amount of hate we give him.

I dont get why people ignore that prime wasn't used to his body in tf1, he just got it so he didnt know the strengths and weaknesses

First one of your videos I've seen. New subscriber straight away!

These theories take way too much effort great work

my favorite megatron designs ever

Micheal Bay: Megatron, I'm gon'na give you a cooler design, but for a price. Megatron: Great, what price? Micheal Bay: Your strength

He wasn't weaker during the second movie. He just had the same hand to hand combat moves as in the first film. While, Optimus on the other hand trained and got alot better. It was in the third movie where Megatron got weaker.

this makes so much sense! i always wondered this as a wee lad. love the vids trans! keep it up!

Who agrees with me that Hugo weaving was the best voice for the movie version of Megatron

3:00 you can kinda see Megatron push Starscream out of his way

This video helps a lot, I'm trying to make a DND character based off of Megatron, and seeing how he changed over time in the movies might make the class choice easier

In my opinion Optimus became stronger rather than Megatron becoming weaker. People will say it’s because he was resurrected but right after prime was resurrected he was barely standing until Jetfire came to the rescue. Regardless of the upper hand that the additional perks of the upgrade gave him, he still handed both The Fallen and Megatrons ass to them while at his weakest. Goes to show Prime must’ve just become more powerful after TF1, I mean say all u want this is my opinion

Bay-verse were awesome upto TF3. After that, it became like a trash series. The bots designs, the story line, the time line, all over the places.

I love the bayverse megs because of his brute strength just wish we couldve gotten more backstory. Maybe with the Rebootverse well have a movie megs with charcterization.

I like to think about how galvatrons chest is a representation of when his chest was burnt open by the all spark.

This was an amazing break down!

The weakest Megatron is on DOTM movie, doesn't feel his a super villian

Megatron : bro i double crossed a prime and potentially saved you, we good? Optimus : Nah bro Megatron : come again?

I subscribed to your channel thanks to this video, which I saw as soon as it came out. I see it again because I think it's one of the best on your channel, congratulations. Speaking of the Transformers film franchise, there are many things to feel sorry for, such as its tremendous drop in quality film by film or the cancellation of the sixth movie, but the one that saddens me the most is the Megatron issue. In the first movie he was just terrifying, he was imposing and he slaughtered Optimus without difficulty. It really did feel like any Autobot that got in his way would be ripped apart (RIP Jazz), even Ratchet orders a retreat when he arrives. Yes, the franchise was looking for a new villain in each installment, but that shouldn't have stopped us from seeing the terrifying Megatron from the first movie (IMO, both Galvatron and his TF 5 form are stronger than in TF 1, what a shame we didn't get to see him that much). What a pitty

Optimus performs way better when he is fighting in a forest setting away from population he was able to defeat a dinobot by himself in the fourth film and take on mutiple decepticons at once in the second film. It's when he is in a highly populated place that the enemies seem to get the better of him and he seema weaker because he's so concerned with protecting the citizens.

"Trans Theories" Does.. does no one else see the humor here?

I honestly think the Optimus vs galvatron battle is what we should’ve gotten in the first movie. Optimus and megatron should’ve been equals as that can provide the most suspense in a fight in my opinion

A major inconsistency is how damaged megatron is at the end of TF1 (transformers 1) if we look at the scene where Sam pushes the all-spark into his chest, we see megatron when he dies is still in one piece, later when he get's dropped in the ocean he has sustained MASSIVE damage with both an arm and a leg missing along with other (semi) minor injuries and damages. This leads me to ask: HOW?, how did he sustain such damage when he was (mostly) intact while laying on the street? It makes NO sense to me.

Absolutely love the intro ❤️

Im going to make my honest opinion I think trans theories is the best Transformer RU-vidr ever

“Your so weak “ Says the guy who almost lost a 3 v 1

Looking at the cannon shots from the 2007 movie shown at 9:17, All I could think was that I hope the guy on the far right got off his I-frames after doing that dolphin dive