Why did Nintendo put HUMANS into Mario? 

we're all gonna be grown ups living boring business lives at some point.

Yeah, we're stuck on their height here, but no mention of how they not only grew from the original concept, but grew grayer, too. They went from colorful to the proverbial Man in the Gray Flannel Suit. I think this was another intentional point of contrast, and I think the point you make must absolutely have occurred to the developers

That's actually a great way to put it!

It's E for everyone not KO kids only

@@gamr9655 that would require the need for human ressources, but soceity is moving away from that. We are all gonna be grown ups though.

Yeah, I really wish they didn't scrapped the originally planned more cartoonish Mario-like humans for Odyssey...

@@manuelk1853 Honestly, the realistic humans kinda give me Sonic 06 vibes. It kinda detracts from the magic of the world in a weird way. Mario has never exactly had a deep or cohesive world, even in the RPG games, but everything still kinda meshed. But having so much sheer contrast in Odyssey just weakens the brand, though, if you will. But eh, it's still fun at least.

Mario is like a dwarf.

@@Descriptor413 Yeah I agree, it's just too much of a visual contrast to actually look good. I'd much rather have people that are like Mario running around doing their own thing.

If you played 3d platformers back when, this was common. I really like it, the mix of cartoon and realistic.

That was pretty wholesome

He hurt my dick 🎉😢

Probably my favourite moon. It felt like Mario came a gave my adult self a pep talk.

That sounds like a cool Moon Quest and very Wholesome

And I think a moon if you help another guy with his race car

That's what I always thought too.

I wonder if New Donkers have pet turtles now…

It sure is strange to see Mario…………. among us

@@NathanA GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD

@@NathanA stop it. Not everything is an among us joke.

​@Nathan A why did this make me lose it

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Like slenderman

They're like some cheap Doctor Who villain. All wearing the same clothes, all looking like cheap asset flips. There's not even any children.

Yeah, Mario is from Brooklyn. These guys are from New Donk City, a parallel universe full of giant ape men. After all, it's on the same planet as the mushroom kingdom, apparently

Mario is a human too.

@@kamikeserpentail3778 Mario was born, raised and works as a plumber in the Mushroom Kingdom. The Brooklyn origin is from the movie.

And it was first planned with Super Mario Odyssey too, but then cut for some reason. Really bothers me, because I liked this scrapped ideas and designs more than the now realistic-looking ones.

I remember they said in an interview they considered realistic humans for Sunshine, but thought they looked weird and changed them to be more cartoony.

@@manuelk1853 main issue is they are just too tall. i don't mind Mario being shorter but no so short he does not seem like he is human.

Yes, I as well have watched the video and am able to recite its contents

@@manuelk1853 It’s quite strange, as normal humans do exist in the Mario style

Yea I prefer the movies humans more

Yeah and this is what really bothers me and just makes no sense. They originally planned on making the humans in New Donk City look more like Mario but for some reason changed it to the realistic looking ones. Such a shame...

different canons. dont try to mix n make it all fit!! cant wait for smb the movie 2. with yoshi and mama luigi... 😁

@@Benja04 If the Mario Movie were canon to the games though, then what about Yoshi's Island? That game very much says otherwise about which dimension Mario was "born" in (his parents are shown living in a Mushroom house at the end), and there's no reason to believe that Yoshi's Island is non-canon to the other Mario games.

The developer was an idiot. Frankly, I hope the explain away the new Donkers in a later Mario game and make them into some sort of dimensional creatures that just took on a fake shape and that their world was not real and was just based on Mario's memories.

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What do you mean by that?

@@manuelk1853 It's honestly a little hard to decipher from the way it's translated, but it seems to indicate that the deisgners were aware of the weird disparity between mario and the new donkers, and intentionally focused on it somewhat till they were satisfied. From what I can tell the matching outfits for all of them are part of this also? It seems to have been a conscious effort to make them seem "different to the usual".

@@titanic_monarch796 Ahh now I see what you mean. Yeah I get that, but honestly, I would have been happier with their designs that were more cartoony and Mario-like from that one concept art.

From the English Artbook: _"Among the many different lands, the Metro Kingdom stands apart, and its look underwent many changes to reach its final design. Making this world a setting far removed from that of the Mushroom Kingdom stoked the lead designers' imaginations, which shines through in their sketches._ _The design went from life-sized buildings to cartoony proportions before we settled on the more realistic look. In addition, we researched various architecture styles, which influenced our design. This, together with the visual impact of Mario's presence here, was an important consideration. We always made sure to keep Mario in mind while fleshing out the city. The visual of Mario in the Metro Kingdom highlighted the freedom of expression central to Mario games._ _This land symbolizes the game from its earliest days of development, including the trial and error inherent to the process. We got the reactions we had hoped for during the trailer presentation and after the game launched, which was a great relief to us."_ - Art Director Rikuto Yoshida (Page 170) _"We wanted the visual of Mario meeting the New Donkers to astonish players, so we started thinking about it early in development. We tried lots of different styles, including making the New Donkers look more cartoonish, but we decided realistic proportions would work best. In the end, limiting their characteristics to the bare minimum fit the New Donkers well, emphasizing their presence as part of the collective whole."_ - Art Director Rikuto Yoshida (Page 195) _"The hats on the female designs are the same shape as Pauline's, which added a nice similarity between them. The New Donkers went through several redesigns as the Metro Kingdom came together. The more uncanny we made their designs-and I mean that in a good sense-the more appealing this game became, so we were fastidious in fine- tuning their appearance. I cannot give enough praise to the lead designer who worked so hard to make them."_ - Character Art Lead Sho Murata (Page 195)

Actually in the current cannon, confirmed by nintendo, Mario IS from the mushroom kigdom, his design is based on blue collar workers from brooklin, but the funny man is from the mushroom kingdom :3

dude its a game

@@Bluestlark| This is true, but I wonder if the old backstory's been re-established now, due to the movie?

@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth The movie is not cannon

@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth The movie and the games are different continuities (there's plenty of evidence of this beyond just the Brooklyn thing). And as much as I loved the movie, I hope they still remain separate entities, since I've never been a fan of the whole synergy mentality, and I believe different versions of a series can co-exist as their own thing. I feel that movie Mario can be from Brooklyn, and game Mario can be from the Mushroom Kingdom, without either changing to be more like the other.

It just raises too many confusing questions IMO. Either Mario (as well as Luigi, Peach etc) are human, OR the New Donkers are. But clearly not both because they look too different. So which one is it?

@@alexpotts6520hey’re all humans, just different races from different parts of the planet. Kenta Motokura confirmed it in an interview.

@@alexpotts6520 i'm guessing theyre both human, but theyre two different subspecies of human? idk i kinda treat sonic like that, with the humans from adventure/sa2 compared to the unleashed ones

@@Victini7472 and Sonic 06 too

@@Victini7472 Y’all are thinking too of much this. Humans are humans, Mario is human and humans come in all shapes and sizes and colors. That’s where the uniqueness comes from everyone. I mean who all wants to look the same anyways. Human is human and it’s been stated. I don’t understand the pluto/goofy thing when there’s a complete difference when Mario isn’t a pet to these humans. He’s as human as they are, he’s just unique and special

I totally agree 100%!!

They would fit better but lost so much of that little spice they had

The movie?

@@adil0028 That was pretty close, yeah. I meant in a game, but the movie proved it could work well.

Yeah but the whole point of having realistic humans in a realistic city was to make it feel weird and fresh for a Mario game. Now i wonder if new donk city is where mario and luigi came from in the games. The movie says they are from Brooklyn New York, but the games don't have New York, it's just New donk city.

As much as I appreciate the feel that it gave in Odyssey, I agree that I'd love to see a future game revisit New Donk with more cartoony looking humans.

@@FancifulDancingStar Yeah!

In my opinion Nintendo copied Sonic Adventure. In that game Sonic walks around town with normal humans.

@@brodude3709 well some of the people that worked on Sonic Adventure did work on this game as well.

Yeah hahaha

@@CheshireCatMystic exactly

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True but id just say its cause Pauline wasnt born the new donkian race

@@cbsyll how did she get there...?

@@RikThunder33 magic pipe

Or maybe he's just very short, and maybe somehow his muscles have been compressed and can be uncompressed like springs, granting him his super jumping abilities

Or maybe he’s just…. built different

Nah he's a Homo Nintendonus

Or maybe he's just.... a different breed of human

He's very deformed

Super mario bros super show sitcom mario: *Hey paisanos!*

Yes, but they were designed in a cartoony style that fits in with the Mario series

With character's everyone remembers like "kid"

@@devinsauls9137despite being from a different dimension to all of the other characters

@@seandwalsh3 I don't remember that being the case. Source?

@@devinsauls9137 They all take place on Earth for the most part with the final tournaments being set in the Mushroom Kingdom, which the playable characters access through a magical inter-dimensional portal.

I think Odyssey's take on Pauline shows that you can still have tall New Donkers that fit into Mario's world. The Mario we see in the games is from the Mushroom Kingdom, and they're proportioned a lot more cartoony. Meanwhile, New Donkers are proportioned more realistically. Despite Pauline's more realistic body proportions in Odyssey, she still had a large, cartoony head. And I think that's all that's really necessary for the New Donkers to fit in better.

Yeah and peach is a human too and she still maintains the cartoony look, just like Pauline and even Rosalina. I don’t understand why Nintendo had to make the people in new dong city so realistic. It’s not like they’ve never put other humans in Mario games before.

@@DaNintendude Exactly my point.

@Nihilistic Prophet Nice typo. It made me snicker. And for the record, I totally agree. I hated the realistic humans. Why didnt they have mario proportions? It would have been really cool to see other Mario-like humans living in a city. If the devs were going for "fun surprise" they failed. It wasnt so much "fun surprise" as "I got Sonic '06 flashbacks" surprise and "What, so Mario is some kind of deformed human-like creature and not an actual person?" surprise

@@nihilisticprophet6985 Yep. And the whole "Because people in the real world look different, so Mario now living along side with realistic people" statement doesn't help it as well. Dosen't a cartoony art-style, which is how Mario humans were often protrade in the past, naturally allow for more diverse appearences, since nearly everyone would seem unique and special from their shapes/body types alone which realistic bodies couldn't even attempt or naturally pull of, due to it being based on reality. I hope in future games they change them to look like the Mario Movie.

Not canon doesn’t count. Those aren’t even first party Nintendo games

@@mightythistlethe sports games are explicitly canon and started out as first party Nintendo games regardless. Nowadays they’re largely done by other studios but in close collaboration with Nintendo’s teams.

But those humans didn't look realistic

@@seandwalsh3 ye but is not a mainline Mario game

@@ppo1502 but still canon

Me too idk why people treat them like abominations lol. Many of them are very funny and cute designs and don't look out of place at all next to like Peach.

Thomas is one of the few people who could make a video about literally anything and I'd be hooked from start to finish

Same

It perfectly captured the feeling of being in a large city for the first time and you realize just how busy everyone is, and I think the realistic looking people really help to create that feeling.

The princesses and Pauline all look more like regular humans than Mario and Luigi, even though they're still cartoony.

Oh the humanity!

Many the people evolved from dinosaurs just like in the first movie.

Yeah, no doubt inspired by Super Mario Odyssey.

The Sonic Cast?

@@Joke.ExeTheJokingLookingDevil Um…Are you asking all the humans I know in the Sonic Universe?

@@Kywriter475 yep

@@Joke.ExeTheJokingLookingDevil Well here are the ones I can think of at the moment: Robotnic Stone Tom Maddie Wade Carl Rachel Jojo Randal Walters The Human Antagonists in Knuckles. Maria Gerald Elise Pickles

@@Kywriter475 thx. :)

Well, according to the Super Mario Movie, he's from Brooklyn

@@crashlandstudiosthe movie isn’t canon. He grew up in New Donk City in the games.

Mario is from the Mushroom Kingdom (as in, that’s where he was born), he just grew up in New Donk City.

@@seandwalsh3 Mario and Luigi from Yoshi's Island were in fact carried by a stork to the Mushroom Kingdom when they were young, but no version of Mario ever grew up in New Donk City. The Arcade Version of Super Mario Bros. is actually based in the sewers of New York City. Super Mario Odyssey is the first time New Donk City is introduced.

@@crashlandstudios No. They grew up in New Donk City, and that’s where Donkey Kong, Mario Bros., etc. canonically took place. Mario has never lived in New York or any real world location in the games. The Mario in Mario Bros. is, of course, the same Mario from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island.

That's the Mario Odyssey art book by the way.

N-No, he's a plumber.

​@@flippinmegamanI like the thought of plumbers being a species in the mario universe.

He's not a human, he's a homo-nintendonus.

Someone didn't watch the entire video

Because he is a chigachad

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@@flippinmegaman ?

None, he's a plumber.

Yes he is, as is pointed out in the video

@@seandwalsh3 Awesome. Thank you.

A plumber, what else?

Luigi's brother

Bowser's enemy

Red Luigi

He is a human, as the video points out.

Yea

No, he's a plumber.

Yes he’s a human, as the video says

@@seandwalsh3 mario lore man, i like ur videos

@@scwiby thanks! Glad you do!