Why did Sauron Create and Need the One Ring? | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth 

So many of my favorite creators posting today. Me thinking I was going to have a bad day.

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@@GeekZoneMT I really love your videos, though i sometimes already know the majority of the content of a video, for example this. Amazing work your doing, i left a more detailed feedback under one of your last videos.. i am currently in the process of creating german subtitles for the nazgul video, hope someday they get out and accepted by the community (no idea how subtitle-authorization works)

That's really nice of you man, I'll make sure they're accepted. Danke schoen! 😁

I learned a lot now Thank you Karl

Yeah. This can also be applied to Morgoth, for Tolkien wrote that the world of Arda could be seen as Morgoth's Ring, since he spread his evil throughout it.

(sorry for long comment i just have this on my mind and i need to get it of XD) Only difference between Sauron and Morgoth (if we dont count in power difference) is that Morgoth was evil and Sauron was not. Sauron allied himself with Morgoth and wanted domimation over Middle earth because he wanted to enforce order, something he desires from his Mairon days. While Morgoth wanted to inslave everyone and rule middle earth out of jelousy and greed for power. Morgoth would most likely kill everyone except his slaves; numerous evil creatures. While Sauron would most likely inslave them and make them worship him as lord of the earth, thus achieving order. Easterlings, and men of the south would inhabit the west while orcs would be kept in Mordor or killed because their desire for war would mess with his order.

@@mislav3762 Good comment: thumb up. Law and order can be benevolent (Aragorn/King Elessar) or tyrannical (Sauron). Likewise, chaos can be liberty (Tom Bombadil) or destruction (Smaug). These examples are oversimplifications, of course. This is just a RU-vid comment, not a philosophical treatise, which I frequently find myself leaning dangerously toward and need to exercise a bit of restraint. It's getting late (early?) here and so, good night.

@@mislav3762 Sorry, but that statement is quite incorrect. Sauron and Morgoth were both evil. The difference is in what way they were evil. You are correct in saying that Sauron wanted order. But order doesn't necessarily mean not evil. I would say that being a totalitarian dictator is pretty evil in itself. Morgoth on the other hand didn't want to enslave the world, he was a complete nihilist. He was jealous of Eru and wanted to create a world himself, but as Eru said, Melkor couldn't create anything that didn't had it's source in Eru himself. This is why he hated everything, even his own Orcs. If he would've been victorious, he would've annihilated even his slaves. After all, they did not have their source in him, he just corrupted Elves or Men (depending on which origin story you prefer) to create them.

@@stephensmith3111 I was thinking the same thing Geek Zone was thinking,.... (That Morgoth is a better representation of Evil since he is More Powerful and More ancient seeing as how He *DID* corrupt Elves and tranform them into Orcs, He also Created the Trolls in Mockery of Ents, and had Created Dragons, and Balrogs, among other fell beasts, creatures and such,... etc.)

Much appreciated brother!

Yeah I agree! For the series to work, the role and character of Sauron must be written extremely well :)

@@GeekZoneMT I hope Tom Shippey can help them out alot and of course from the inspiration of the Peter Jackson films too. This sounds too good to be true . Hopefully it doesn't end up going badly . Been waiting for nearly 3 years for this and so did a lot of other people . Hopefully they make it right and exciting just like Petes films . I forgot to subscribe . Here's an extra sub 😆😆😆

Well since you mention the Ring, Sauron and the Billion Dollar LoTR Amazon Series, They did show a Map of Middle Earth in the Second Age and when Numenor was was still around. So I'm assuming based off the Timline that we could not only see him Forge the Rings of Power AND the One Ring, but see Him corrupt The NINE (;D)! Some even say the Witchking Could've been the Corrupted King of Numenor ;)! Can you imagine the creepy scene of Sauron and The remnants of The Corrupted King of Numenor/ The Witchking (:/)? Seeing Sauron's Forging of The One Ring, and The Nine would give us greater insight as to How the rings of power functioned and Corrupted people's minds. They did mention that the Series would lead up to The War of the Last Alliance (;D) So throughout it we should witness The Forging of the One Ring, and Rings of power as well as Celebrimbor being tricked, and the Nine Kings of men become corrupted through Sauron and The One (;D) Amazon means business though, they've already begun filming in New Zealand (where Middle Earth has been Filmed) and they've also already invested 250Mil (1/4 Billion Dollars :/) for the Rights from the Tolkien Estate, and have mentioned they would have a budget of APPROXIMATELY 330Mil Dollars (1/3 of a Billion Dollars :/). So realistically Amazon's already spent a good part of a Billion Dollars into this series (:0) .... for Both our sakes they better give us what we want without breaking Lore if they know what's good for them... because I don't think they'd be that stupid to *Waste* a Billion Dollars. Which is why I believe that this series has Great Potential, and thus equally a Difficult task ahead of them (:/)! If this series is successful I hope we get to see a Series based on The War of the Dwarves and Orcs, the 1st Age, The War of Wrath, as well as other tales from the Silmarillion (:D) ... (The Tale of Beren and Luthien would be a GREAT Show/Movie for a Valentines day in the Future, seeing as how J.R.R. Tolkien and his wife are Burried side by side with the Initials Beren and Luthien on their Tombstones :")

@@AlexLopez-vm7uq oh believe me I knew about the Second Age thing happening . I'm just worried if they don't do certain scenes right . I'm very excited for the witch king and the rest of the Nazgul and Sauron and more . I'm just hoping Amazon does the Second Age justice . This ain't gonna be easy to write . Sure they don't have to worry about massive amounts of books and lines but that means they have to do alot of slightly role playing . Since the only information about the second is it goes by hundreds of hundreds of years . Which I'm worried about that . Since in the appendices and the Silmarillion . Since like the creation of the rings and Nazgul and the War of the Last Alliance are like over a thousand years apart . Which I'm hoping they have extra scenes that aren't in the books that will make more sense . Like for more scenes they're gonna have to maybe even have a scene for one by one showing each man turning into a Ringwraith . Make up the rest of the Nazguls identities. Hopefully it'll all work out in the end . It would be cool if they're following channels like Geekzone or Men of the West to help them out with the years and stuff . That would be a smart decision .

@@AlexLopez-vm7uq also the problem is they never gave up licences for the 1st Age so they can't do nothing about that ......yet. I'm hoping they might get the courage to let Amazon do the War of Wrath and other stuff in the First Age if this show does an amazing job . I want something professional done from the First Age so badly . Morgoth , Gothmog ,Glaurung, Ancalogon , seeing orcs and Trolls being made for the first time and how Sauron learnt from that. And of course how Morgoth made the Dragons and Balrogs . That would be sick . I want to see a scene in the Second Age TV show on how Sauron learnt to make so many Orcs and Black Uruks at once . It would make sense . If we look back at Lord of the Rings again and see all those orcs coming to Minas Tirith we'll know how he was able to create them largely and fast . And also maybe showing how he made the fell beasts for the Nazgul . They may have been showed in the Third Age doesn't mean he didn't recruit or make them in Second . There are no records of them being there or when they were created . They could've been in hiding cause for god sakes Morgoth kept Balrogs and Dragons hiding for hundreds of years . I'm not sure how the hell he was able to keep Ancalagon the Black that quite for that long . He's the biggest winged fire drake to ever exist in Middle Earth . Lol and yet he was kept hidden . It would make sense that Sauron somehow kept them in hiding .

I'll do my best to include such topics in future polls :)

You should buy Unfinished Tales by Tolkien then

blue wizards.....

I recall (maybe wrongly) the Elven rings were made using the same art as the other rings -- not made by Sauron, as the rings of Men and Dwarves were, but by elves using the same science or spells. By their nature, the Elven rings were vulnerable to the one ring which was always intended to control other rings and their bearers. While Sauron wore the ring, the Elven rings had to be kept off their hands and hidden. When Sauron was separated from the ring at the end of the second age, the rings could be worn and used, but even so were kept secret and their wearers stayed watchful, because the one was known to exist somewhere.

I mean, he was borderline invulnerable and this gambit had almost no chance of biting him in the ass.

That was the film on the book he did that after sauron had died

? he was an immortal being

Tolkien mentions it in one of his letters (letter 131). I'll paste the paragraph below: But to achieve this he had been obliged to let a great part of his own inherent power (a frequent and very significant motive in myth and fairy-story) pass into the One Ring. While he wore it, his power on earth was actually enhanced. But even if he did not wear it, that power existed and was in 'rapport' with himself: he was not 'diminished'

Yeah this isn't game of thrones ;)

Plot armor is an actual power that exists within Middle-earth though, and it was Sauron's foundational mistake to assume it had been deactivated. I'm speaking of Eru Ilúvatar, of course. Sauron knew of him naturally, but because he had ceased to be able to understand good, he assumed that since he knew the Eruhíni had fallen into sin, Eru would have ceased to care about them. So Sauron imagined he could have Middle-earth all for himself and Eru wouldn't care. He made the dame mistake with the Valar, assuming they'd feel themselves fine in Valinor and not send Middle-earth any help. Of course, Eru activated the plot-armor, causing the Ring to be destroyed.

Without Sauron's plan to make the One Ring, the Three would never have existed. After all, he was the one that taught the Elven Smiths how to make the Great Rings. The thing is, Sauron couldn't even fathom the idea that someone would try to destroy it rather than use it in an attempt to overthrow him. If you don't even think about the possibility of it posing a problem, you won't ever prepare for it.

now now, let's not get that tune stuck in people's heads! 😂

Hmm I would have to disagree regarding his power though. The Ring would have certainly augmented this, both directly, and indirectly through his servants and minions (For example we're told that during the War of the Ring the Nazgul's strength was a fraction of what it would be if Sauron had to reclaim the Ring).

@@GeekZoneMT Yes I agree that the One Ring would have a massive influence, but it didnt really matter at this point as the free peoples were weak anyways, do you get my point?

It had such great power it was a multitool in his toolbox.

Yeah no, the ring of power works in proportion to how powerful the wielder of it is. The more powerful you are the more powerful it makes you. That's why Gandalf refuses to carry the ring, he is a miara demigod incarnated into the form of an old man, if he had the one ring he would be far more powerful than even Sauron at his peak could ever hope to be. That's why Frodo the hobbit was ring bearer, Hobbit's are simple and hardy but they are very weak in terms of Divine or mystical might basically having none, so the ring is less than useless because all it can do for them is turn them invisible by partly shifting them into the astral world, which makes it easier for the likes of the Nazgul to track them down.

Lore of Middle-Earth also the ring doesn't grant specialized powers it can only enhance powers you already have, Sauron already had mind control and domination powers, but through the one ring and the rings of power he'd be able to spread that power farther and more completely than he ever could have before, especially after having to reconstitute himself from the last time he fought against another being that could harm him

he was defeated but could he even be killed? Melkor didnt lose because of anything else but the intervention of of the combined efforts of his brothers, the valar. Had them not come to help man and elf he would have won. The alliance might have contained him for a while but he was immortal and he could wait. Who is to say Sauron didnt have the same advantage? He too was immortal and he was cunning.

@@goncaloferreira6429 No, Sauron could be outright killed, in the sense that his body could be destroyed. That's what happened when Eru destroyed Numenor: he sank the island and Sauron drowned. That fingers could be cut from his hand also demonstrates that he's not invulnerable. Bear in mind Sauron and Gandalf are the same kind of being, simply on different power levels, so are Balrogs; all 3 have died in the story. Please don't confuse what Melkor was (valar) with what Sauron was (maiar). Melkor wasn't killed, he was banished tot he Timeless Void, but there's a prophecy that states that at the end of Arda's life Melkor will return and start Dagor Dagorlad, the last war in which he will be defeated totally. The valar didn't need to intervene with Sauron, because as bad as he might have been, he was still perfectly defeatable by lesser beings. When the valar intervened in Arda to defeat Melkor, it literally sundered the world, so they'd be a bit hesitant to do that again.

@@LabTech41 i know all that- the body can be defeated, destroyed. but the spirit?

@@goncaloferreira6429 It seems to me that in Tolkien's work, the spirit can die in a sense as well, it that it subsumes into the ether. The whole point of the end war would evaporate if you couldn't defeat Melkor in the permanent sense. Sauron was able to maintain his hold on Middle-Earth because the ring acted as a second body, or more accurately a phylactery since at that point he was a lich. So long as the ring existed, a corporeal manifestation was able to contain his spirit on Arda; that's why the ring's destruction was so crucial: it severed his spirit's bond with the world, and from that point onward he was eternally diminished. Maybe not 'dead', but made so small it's like a small wisp of smoke in the background.

Sauron being able to "sense the ring" on use is overstated in the movies. He isn't necessarily able to sense it at all. Otherwise he'd know it was in his backyard the minute Samwise used it to save Frodo after Shelob attacked them. Instead he's convinced Aragorn has the ring, and the very thought terrifies him. But one thing that is made clear, is that the spies of Sauron are many and that the great eye can see very far indeed.

The achievements of the ring are debatable but your take of sauron being so much weak without it i dont agree with.

Only after he failed in dominating the minds of the Elves. Those 16 rings, plus the Three, were being worn and used by the Elves of Eregion when he first put on the One; that was his original goal. This failed though because they all took the rings off. Only after this does he switch to plan B, and give them out to Men and Dwarves, having taken the 16 from the Elves. The Three lost their power after the One was destroyed because it was part of the power of the One to tie all the other rings to it's own - "One ring to bring them all and in the darkness *bind* them."

Possibly Sauron, in the guise of Annatar, in his instructions to Celebrimbor for ringcraft included a subtle magical equivalent of a 'back door'. To continue with the computer metaphor, when the One ring came on line, the malware aspect became active. Fortunately, the 3 Elves were quick enough to recognize the hack in time and pull the plug, that is take their rings off. The nine men were not so quick and became ensnared to Sauron's will. The dwarves, being creatures of Aule the Smith although granted free will by Eru Eluvatar, were more robust. Although not completely ensnared, their greed and lust for gold was enhanced. Despite the claims of Gordon Gekko, greed is not good. Getting back to the computer code metaphor, the malware was a fundamental part of the source code for all of the rings of power. However, when Sauron lost the One Ring, he could not directly influence the others even though the link between them still existed. The elves, and later Gandalf, could then use the three as Celebrimbor had originally intended. When the One ring was destroyed in Mount Doom, the link was severed, the code became totally dormant, and the rings eventually failed altogether. This being 'magic' and not actual computer firmware, there was still some power left in the three rings after the destruction of the One. Galadriel was able to use this residual power in her ring to augment her own native power as one greatest of the elves to throw down Sauron's fortress of Dol Guldur in Mirkwood and lay bare it's pits at the end of the war. I imagine that this pretty much drained it, so she could no longer use her ring to maintain Lothlorien. That's my hypothesis, anyway.

@@AlphaZaku yeah, i know but why are the 3 rings bind to sauron since it is stated, that celebrimbor made these 3 (which are the most powerful of all) without the help of Annatar, so i dont see why they would be bound. Or do i overlook something?

@@stephensmith3111 i like your computer metaphor (: im familiar with the lore in generl though, as i mention in the respond to @AlphaZaku that celebrimbor made vilya, narya and nenya without any help of sauron, so is there only a link between the 3 and the one since sauron taught celebrimbor before? If so did celebrimbor activly make a connection between the 3 and the one? Or was it just because his knowlage of how to craft rings (which was partially from sauron) contained the link to the one... all a bit confusing

@@Anonymous-bc4dl because the Three are still part of the same 'technology' as the other rings. Same design principles, same magical workings, Celebrimbor just made those Three that much better. "Now the Elves made many rings; but secretly Sauron made One Ring to rule all the others, and their power was bound up with it, to be subject wholly to it and to last only so long as it too should last." The underlying design of ring-lore, that Sauron guided without the Elves knowing, was that they would become tied to the Ruling Ring when that piece of magic is activated. The Three were made no different in that respect, because Celebrimbor was unaware of it. Sauron's sullying of the 16, which he had a personal hand in their making, as opposed to the Three which he never touched, only really appears to cause the invisibility (and thus wraithification). The Three specifically do not make you invisible.

His Valentines :'(

GeekZone all he wanted was to be loved

@@chillinrunner "Till death do we Part" -Sincerely Your Dark Lord Sauron (X"D) LOL!

He likes his bling.

that was the cringiest comment i've ever read.

That makes him even more diabolical

@@GeekZoneMT He was a true mad lad he will be missed.

Dave Vd all hail the lord Sauron!

@@imnotsofunny824 -GROND- *HAIL* !

he was perhaps undiminished but but he might be afraid to repeat the mistakes of his former master. Morgoth was stonger and tryed to dominate by strengh and battle. Sauron was a more cunning personality from the start and his strategy during the second age reinforces that.

There's also a difference in motives to consider. Morgoth initially wanted to shape all things in his image but ultimately wanted to destroy everything when he failed in that, and his power works to slowly erode away creation; effectively he's the god of entropy. Sauron was perfectly content for creation to exist, but he wanted to rule it; in the beginning this was because he felt that order needed to be imposed for the good of all, but as time passed it became less about the good of others and more about dominating them. So they were starting from different places and working towards different goals.

@@davidandrews2972 I can see Morgoth working as a god of entropy but i dont think he wanted to destroy everything.. Both dark lord wanted to rule, to dominate. In that sense they were the same. That is why one of the greatest lessons i take from Tolkien is that imposing your will on others is one of the worst faults one can have. Similarly, they both share a certain type of arrogance, one that i can undertand, to a certain extent. Melkor was indeed the greatest amost his peers. Sauron was a Maiar and above man, elves and dwarfs. Sauron had a chance to redeem himself. On the second age he shared his knowledge with the elves and with diferent choices could have been acepted as one of them, integrated in their society.

On the other hand Morgoth's way was almost sucessful. If the Valar had not entered the war directly, his victory would have been complete. He was already on the brink of destroying the last strongholds (and those who still stand surely would have followed in a few years, since Morgoth had a few jokers he had not already used like the flying dragons he used during the War against the Valar - and who even pushed back the gods for a time). To crate such being like Glaurung and Ancalagon could hardly see as misdirection...

@@goncaloferreira6429 I'm basing my comments on Morgoth's and Sauron's motives on what Tolkien's said in "Myths Transformed". Morgoth hated anything not of his own making, which is to say everything; Sauron wanted to dominate rather than destroy.

I love that interpretation!

Corrupting you’re thoughts

I am reminded of this MTV Movie awards skit ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mLLWgvLhYr0.html

It was a ring (of power) and not a earing of power because when we come to think of power, it's most likely to hands that we think. We can be open-handed (generous), rule with an iron fist (firmly ruling). When you fight, you'll most likely use your hands, not ears or eyes. Furthermore, when you create something, you use your hands. And rings were originally made to heal, build, craft. This is why, in my opinion, the ring of power are rings.

Wait, I thought in medieval times, rings were the tool to create seals on documents. You know the document was authorised when it was sealed by the dukes' ring etc. Wasn't ring always a symbol of power?

Yeah, because gold never spatters and gives deep scarring burns...

Goldfinger lol

Let's say they're depictions of his inner monologues ;)

Yes. Both male elves and annatar are decribed by Tolkein as being very fair in appearance , that does not mean effeminate as is commonly depicted. They should be depicted as the living embodiment of Masculinity kind of like Hercules.

@@popcharlie That too. But if the whole point of Sauron taking the form of Annatar is to fool the Elves into believing he's an emissary sent from Valinor and a real honest guy with totally benign intentions, AND the Elves of Eregion fell for it, you'd think him to have the most angelic, innocent, gentle face imaginable. More in line with the concept art for Annatar by the LotR movie design team.

@@popcharlie Nah man, that's Tulkas.

@@AnnaMarianne "Hey man, if I give ye some coke, will ye fight some gods? Trust me, just take some of me coke and you'll definitely see how that'll turn out great." Joking aside, yeah, one would think that Annatar would be the kind of person that makes hearts melt with a smile, not make people shriek when he enters the room.

Robert Pettigrew he was basically hitler..

@Michael S. tripppppppppppy

This is why hobbits has to carry the ring. They were the only ones who had no interest in power

i fell he was essentially trying a diferent strategy during the second age. After witnessing the wrath of the valar and the fall of Morgoth he tryed a more subtle aproach. The last part of your post is tricky. It does seem the valar cared more about the man of the west and less about the easterlings. That is not a very godly thing is it?

@@goncaloferreira6429 The Valar have indeed made many mistakes in the past, and much of what has went wrong has been because of their imperfection as beings and therefore the failures and bias in their judgement. They themselves came to see some of those mistakes, and tried to make up for them. One of their failings was letting Men in general live in ignorance and darkness, under the influence of Morgoth and Sauron. Another was getting too hands-on with the Elves and Men, especially inviting the Elves into Valinor in the first place. These mistakes influenced the future history, but the history also course-corrected itself in ways not chosen by the Valar. It sort of happened on its own, not out of the device of the Valar but because of the deeds of the Elves (especially Noldor), that the divine knowledge and freedom of minds from Morgoth was concentrated among the cultures on the north-western coasts of Middle-earth. The human cultures there learnt from the Elves, and further spread this influence; especially the Númenorians. It was then in a sense natural the Valar would interact more with the cultures that already were prone to asking or hoping them for help, and not interacting with cultures that thought of them as enemies. Remember that the Valar aren't supposed to use force against the Elves and Men, but to respect their free will. It was because of the mistakes of the Valar that the eastern Men were opposed to them, but now that it was a fact, they had to respect it. So later on the road, with the past history already happened and its effects felt, they took the different approach of sending the Wizards to help Men take a stand against Sauron themselves. Five wizards were sent, three of which immediately went east to help there the people who were rebelling against Sauron. One of them, Saruman, later left east and came west, and there joined Gandalf, whose sort of area west had been since the beginning. Tolkien was first doubtful if how well the "eastern wizards" Alatar and Pallando did, but later in his life came to the conclusion that they were very succesfull and managed to help many eastern peoples free themselves from Sauron. So, to answer your question of did the Valar care about the people of the west more... no, I wouldn't say so. The Valar love Eru's creation even when it is fallen. But let's say the people of the west care more about the Valar than the people of the east do, and so the Valar and the western people interact more. It's kind of a case where imperfect parents manage to have relatively good relationship with some of their children - partially out of luck rather than skill in parenting - but ruin their relationship with some of their other kids, and have to live with that mess.

@@AnnaMarianne hum, acepting that the valar/gods are faulted is kind of hard for me. Coming out of the pages and into our own world we might see that the favouring of the people of west of middle earth was an intentional decision made by Tolkien. I do not believe the people of other parts of Middle earth were oppsed to the valar because of anything they did directely. Rather that was so because Melkor and his influence pointed them that way and because the Valar didnt bother in revealing themselves to them, as a counterpoint to Melkor´s darkness. They sent the blue wizzards east but ultimately that was done to late. The valar made the same mistake as in the first age, they let the dark spread too far before intervening. With all that said, i wish Tolkien would have had the time to explore the East. So muchpotential there, so many stories to be told.

@@goncaloferreira6429 Tolkien himself said that 1) the Valar made mistakes and 2) acknowledged them later and tried to make up for them. Read Morgoth's Ring and the philosophical discussion in it. Remember, Tolkien's world view was Catholic Christian, and this heavily influenced his writing. The Valar are created beings, therefore, they're not to be seen the same way as the Judeo-Christian God is seen in Judaism and Christianity. They're not omnipresent, omniscient or omnipowerful. Nor are they perfect in both love and justice. Also, I didn't say that the Valar did something evil to turn the people of the east against them. Rather, they were too inactive and passive. This is acknowledged in the text of the Silmarillion. They failed to send emissaries into the east when the Men were born. Instead, depending on the story version either Morgoth or Sauron did go there. This caused the first Men to fall under dark influence early on. As for what are Tolkien's intentions or attitudes from some hidden point of view that he didn't disclose in his writing, I won't start guessing. It's unfair to any person to put more into their mouth than what they said, and all the more so with a dead person who can't answer back or defend himself.

@@goncaloferreira6429 I might add that Tolkien discussed this very topic of west-centrism somewhere, though I can't remember where it was. Anyhow, he wrote that from the in-universe point of view, the military opposition against Morgoth and Sauron mostly happened in the geographical west due to the historical fact that migration in the world of Middle-earth tended to happen from east to west. The very first of these immigrations was the Valar immigrating out of Middle-earth into Valinor. So they were now located to the west of the latter lands of the Elves and Men. Therefore, when the Elves were born into the darkness of Middle-earth, they immigrated westward, towards Valinor. Some of them passed into West, some of them stayed on the nortwestern coastal areas. Those who passed over gained great wisdom and power from the Valar. Those who stayed gained some from Melian, who had come to visit Middle-earth from the West. The effect of this was, that those who lived in the western areas were more "Valinor-influenced". This influence grew markedly greater when the Noldor returned from Valinor to Middle-earth. There they, once again, arrived to and settled on the lands closest to Valinor. Men meanwhile had heard - perhaps from the lingering Elves of the east - of the Valar of the west. And so those of them who wanted to forsake the darkness started immigrating westward. There they found the Valinor-influenced Noldor and Sindar, and through them, became Valinor-influenced themselves. These western Men would then go on to form Númenor, and there, become even more Valinor-influenced. And then they would spread this influence across the other Men of Middle-earth. Frankly, it's rather straightforward socio-geography and cultural history. It might be added that the reason why the great battles and stories took place in the western lands was this same. Because Valinor was geographically located to the west of Middle-earth, which first Morgoth and then Sauron wanted for his own, and because the Valar and the Valinor-influenced cultures were their greatest opponents, both Angband and Mordor were built in the west, as fortresses and places of power against these western enemies. Angband was originally a side fortress of Utumno, built to guard Morgoth's realm against any attack from Valinor. So the Noldor settled around it to besiege it. And while Mordor was also chosen because of the active volcano in it, Mount Doom couldn't have been the only volcano in Middle-earth. Mordor was also chosen to be within practical engaging distance from Sauron's chief enemies, with whom he wished to battle, if other means wouldn't help him into power over them.

It was a very safe gamble. So much to gain with very little chance of defeat.

ehhhh......the Drowning of Neumenor wasn't exactly a slam dunk. Convincing the Nuemenorians to assault the Valar, YES. Getting bitch-slapped to the bottom of the ocean by Eru and only surviving because of the One Ring, not so much. He'd already functionally won, so the drowning of Neumenor wasn't really a victory, it was a massive loss since he'd also convinced them to worship him as Morgoth Returned and would've been a perfect place to work backwards to dominate the rest of the Middle Earth, which he lost when he lost Neumenor and had to start all over again from scratch and even less power than he started with.

Yeah, and if my lottery ticket had different numbers I'd be rich. 'If' isn't worth much. The elves took the rings off immediately, his plan wasn't even close to a success

Yes except the horcrux were inspired by the ring not viceversa 😂

It's in the works ;)

Yea it was incredible hard any thing else would have failed much faster than Sauron. I believe that he was the most powerful creature in middle earth. Even without the ring. Such incredible power no one could ever fathom about thus not even j.j.r Tolkien himself.

Power corrupts and corruption seeks power. We have a closed loop system here. Like a ring.

Michael S. trying to tell people how to type is pointless. there’s absolutely no sense in being a grammar nazi if you still understood the person’s point. don’t you have anything better to do?

where do you get the info from? all videos on the rings say that Sauron has created the rings with the help of the elf (?) whom he tricked or something, and then he bound the rings with his own ring and gifted them

@@bdufka That doesn't contradict what I said

I thought the 16 rings were made specifically for the men and dwarves and not hand-me-downs, as it were.

Valar doesn't know the dark magic

@@_semih_ morgth was a valar

As powerful as all ill in all of existence can be. That's why everything harmful to life from freezing cold to searing heat bore the signature of Morgoth, the enemy of everything.

That could also be his heavy metal name

With their hit song "It's sticky"

PO TA TOES

Boil, mash them stick them in a stew.

World Traveler that’s exactly what he did, his cunning wasn’t his downfall, it was that the elves and dwarves were of more magical nature then men, being that elves were supposed to be the empowerment of sentient beings who are tied to the music/magic/nature/will of Eru’s and the valar’s creation in because of this consecutiveness they were able to sense the evil that Sauron had over the other rings once he attempted to gain control(so it wasn’t Sauron’s fault as he had no way of knowing that they would be able to sense his presence due to that a method like this hasn’t been attempted before) the dwarves were not created by Eru but Aule one of the valar so they were born purely of Aule’s powers, Eru gave the dwarves life but in the end they were tied to Aule’s nature and power, in a sense they have magical protection because of how they were created(there was literally nothing Sauron could have done to turn them, the are so strong willed they are incapable of submitting to a greater evil, but became acceptable to lesser evils such as their own greed, and again No one could have foreseen this coming as the attempt with the rings was literally the first attempt in trying to control all the races like this, and it’s not a matter of better understanding but knowing how the power works) and the men Eru created to be free of all the powers of arda including the music of arda so they may freely chose their own fates, this is why they were corrupted, Sauron was cunning no doubt about it but he is considered untrained and less experience, in any book experience out ranks everything, so if Sauron were to be let’s say more patient then yes he might have won but then again Sauron would have won multiple times had the circumstances not been against him, had it all been fair he would have won long before the destruction of numenor

Chris, as I understand it, he knew about the three Elven rings but he had no hand and making them so then they were less susceptible to the influence of the one ring

Swear to me.

You are the first person I’ve seen actually bring this up! It’s the question that brought me to this video, and I can’t find it discussed anywhere online. How can transferring your powers to an external object enhance those powers? The whole concept doesn’t make sense to me.

@@artugert I'm not aware of anything Tolkien or others wrote on the topic - and over the decades I've read a lot.

I dunno , i really like some of his early depictions, such as his time in Numenor or his service to Morgoth. He would have an awesome air of deadly elegance.

@@GeekZoneMT I get that he does look elegant and stuff I just love the mystery of not knowing if he has a physical form and the only time we see him being a huge armour set

Don't worry - a lot of the 'beautiful' depictions are of him disguised to fool the elves, so that's what he wants them to see, not what he really looks like.

How is that “cheating “?