Why Did Ukraine Fail to Achieve Independence After the First World War? 

jewish pogroms has been done by whites monarchists. Petlura has no strength to stop it.

Kharkov-Russian city! It was founded in 1630. Tsar Ale Mikh I Mikhailovich built a fortress in 1656 in the Kharkov region. What about Ukraine? Sumi-was founded by Tsar Alex The king allowed the refugees (who fled from Poles) to habitate them . What about Ukraine? Poltava-was in the X During this traitor Hetman v attacc What about Ukraine? DNEPROPETROVSK-founded by Catherine II in 1776 and was called Ekaterinoslav. What about Ukraine? Lugansk-founded in 1795 founded by Catherine II in near Luhan River. What about Ukraine? Kherson-founded by Empress Catherine II in 1778 for the construction of the Russian fleet. Construction was made by Potemkin. What about Ukraine? Donetsk-founded by Emperor Alexander II in 1869 during the construction of a metallurgical plant in Y What about Ukraine? Nikolaev-founded by Empress Catherine II in 1789. At this time there Potemkin built ship "St. Nicholas". And here in Ukraine? ODESSA-founded by Catherine II in 1794 on the site of a fortress, built a little earlier Graf Suvorov. What about Ukraine? Tschernihiv - one of the oldest Russian cities, existed in the early 10th century. In 1503 it was part of Russia. In 1611 it was destroyed by the Poles. But in 1654, Tschernihiv returned to Russia and since then has always been a part of Russia. The question is: where and Ukraine? Simferopol-founded by Catherine II in 1784. It was built on the site of Potemkin and Suvorov military camp near the Tatar colony. What about Ukraine? SEBASTOPOL-founded by Catherine II in 1783 on the site of a fortress built before Suvorov. Built the city of Potemkin. What about Ukraine? Mariupol-founded in 1778 by Catherine II. The Greeks inhabited them-immigrants from the Crimea. What about Ukraine? Krivo R Rog-founded by Catherine II in 1775. And development comme industrial center, such as base metals. What about Ukraine? Zaporozhe What about Ukraine? Kirovograd-was founded in 1754 by the Russian Empress Elizabeth, as a fortress to protect the southern borders of the Russian Empire against Tatars. His name was Elizabethgrad. What about Ukraine?

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Thank you, Max!

stepan bandera?

That's for another video

Yes, actually the Polish created the first independent state, but it was plagued with discord and rivalry. When the soviet invasion came (the horse army with Budyonniy and Stalin) and the Polish retreated way back to Warsaw, the whole thing fell apart.. The most tragic is that the White never try to ally or at least coordinate with Pilsudki, they looked on Poland as a province of the Tsar, and of course the Reds, internationalists had also no intention of any independent national state .. nor the anarchist state of Mahno

@@HistoryHustle That's what would be amazing. We have a book by our former colonel assistant chief of staff: White Eagle vs. Red Star. It covers from 1917 to the Peace of Riga in 1921.

Thanks. I'll make a special episode on Makhno in the near future.

@@HistoryHustle Sounds good!

Maknho captured Katerynoslav (modern-day Dnipro).

@@s.yemchenko5010 Thank you.

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@@HistoryHustle will you do a lesson about holodomor and the kazahk famine of 1931-1933 also???

Today Ukraine is more united than ever. Back then this indeed was not the case.

@@HistoryHustle I must disagree with that. I would say, only people of one opinion is being heard. Who dare to say out a different opinion? Even in my country, people rather refuse to answer or just pretend ignorance of this topic. In the recent couple of years, people learned to silently keep away from mainstream, keep their opinion to a closed circle no to risk discrimination or excommunication by the PC inquisition.

@@HistoryHustle We are all ukrainians. 🇧🇷

"Anarchists, being anti-capitalist". You must read about the ancaps 💲. Obrigado! 🇧🇷

@@marcoskehl - Ancaps? Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha!! Ancaps are a stinking joke!! 3 cheers for the Ukranian Insurgent Army!! 3 cheers for Nestor Mahkno!! Uuurraaahh!! etc, etc.

Many thanks Caroline.

Thanks for replying!

Thanks for your reply.

Many thanks Liam!

@@HistoryHustle , you're very welcome!

@@nirvana3921 , annexation, subsumed as a vassal state...semantics. Not my bag of tea.

@@nirvana3921 , mayhaps because I am not, nor ever will be a communist? As an outsider looking in, I will stand by the word. Ukraine became Bolshevik in the end, part of the USSR. That is not debatable. ;)

Well technically the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was an independent country from Russia and was never annexed into the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, they just had the same party and ideology. In 1922 the Russian SFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Byelorussian SSR and Transcaucasian SFSR came together and signed the treaty of union which resulted in creating the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, that was intended and initially working as a Union of independent soviet socialist states (with a way similar to how the European Union works today) until Stalin came into complete power and transformed this union of Soviet Republics into a huge and complex federal country with a centralised government by adopting a constitution for the union despite being completely against the spirit of what Lenin visioned the union to be and how work and against the initial agreement of the creation of the union signed by the original soviet republics.

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@lati long Kyivan Rus is not russia they have no histocial connection how can something just shift lmao

@@marthakostiuk6546 kieven rus is the foundation for all rus.. Belarus Russia Ukraine

@@raidang Kyivan Rus* and no russia has nothing to do with it same with Belarus

@@marthakostiuk6546 what is the word after Kyivan?

Thanks for watching. I do consider Ukraine a real country myself though. This is also proven by the unity the country shows as of today's war.

@@HistoryHustle Yes, I got that and I agree. Plus the invasion and the eight year war before that has greatly strengthened the Ukrainian national identity, even among many of Ukraine's Russian-speaking population. Plus it's always possible to turn the argument the other way - one can say Ukraine is the true inheritor of the Kyivan Rus, not Russia.

@@takashitamagawa5881 Igor girkin/strelkov Russian FSB agent famous for shooting down Malaysian airlines plane. Who fought in Donbas with the separatists, urged Putin to invade in 2014. If Putin had actually fully invaded Ukraine in 2014, he would’ve succeeded in his goal. Eastern and western Ukraine was divided by public opinion after euro maiden, not to mention that the Ukrainian army due to corruption only had 7,500 ready for combat troops. It’s one of the reasons why Ukraine failed to initially put down the separatists in Donbas. Russia’s partial invasion of Donbas and Crimea, stirred nationalist sentiment and the Minsk agreement bought Ukraine enough time to build an army. They went from 7,500 trained soldiers in 2014 to 200,000 active soldiers and 900,000 reserve soldiers in 2020. And many had combat experience from the war in Donbas. Regular soldiers received western training from U.S, Canadian and British armies, while Ukrainian junior officers attended western military academies. Putin literally shot himself in the foot.

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 Excellent point about the opportunity Russia may have had in 2014 to launch a full scale invasion of Ukraine. I remember hearing about the divide in pro-Russian sentiment between the eastern and western parts of the country. With the bitterly contested Russian invasion (thanks to the buildup of the Ukrainian military) and the Russian caused devastation of Mariupol and other Ukrainian areas the pro-Ukrainian unity of the country appears to have been much enhanced.

@@takashitamagawa5881 Has a lot to do with the information war. Russian media was widely present within the country, and they would pump out propaganda saying euro maiden was fascist and they were going to oppress Russian speaking Ukrainians and they continued peddling conspiracy theories. During the the russian spring, Crimea annexation and the war in Donbas. Ukraine banned all Russian journalists and Russian media in Ukraine. Which means Ukrainians could no longer watch Russian propaganda and after the chaos had settled many propaganda lies were dispelled. Like any oppression towards Russian speakers. Good example of this is President zelensky, who’s a russian speaker that became President. But yea, your house getting shelled is a great motivator for patriotism.

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Glad to read Mike!

Thanks for sharing this.

@lati long Lenin didn't "create" Ukraine. Ukrainian language, culture and Identity existed long before the soviet Union. Lenin simply made them a republic within the Soviet Union.

@@epic1049 Actually it was the first time that an official and stable state and region called Ukraine was ever created and the culture and national differentiation of the ukrainian people from other eastern slavic populations was allowed to flourish and exist, because before the revolution Ukraine never existed unified as Ukraine but just randomly as different regions part of the Russian Empire or of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or of Austria-Hungary or of Poland. It's a fact that Lenin indeed gave Ukraine the modern right to exist as a separate country and nation and not been included in Russia or being assumed to be russians, because if the whites had won in the civil war and not the reds, Ukraine and Ukrainians would probably still be a part of Russia and be regarded as russians and not Ukrainians as a different nation, despite the fact that Lenin indeed gave Ukraine areas that were not considered as part of Ukraine back then, even by the Ukrainian nationalists, because some of those areas consisted of mainly russians, greeks or tatars and very few ukrainians. The only official territory that Ukraine has today that even Lenin was not willing to touch and give it from Russia to the, back then, newly formed Ukrainian SSR was Crimea that it became a part of Ukraine only as recently as in 1954 when the ukrainian soviet leader Khrushchev transferred the peninsula from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.

@@stgr0186 But Ukraine independently declared independence after the collapse of the Russian Empire. Lenin had nothing to do with that. They even fought against the Bolsheviks with the help of the Germans. To claim that Lenin "Created Ukraine" is absurd. He only recognized them and later integrated them into the Soviet Union after they invaded.

Thank you for watching.

Hi Gary, thank you for sharing this.

It sure was.

Yes.

Thanks for watching..won't cover Albania in the near future.

@@HistoryHustle ohh 😔

Most Ukrainians in WW2 fought against the Nazis.

Cheers!

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True. Please check out the previous video where I talk about the 4 Ukraines in 1918.

True but I am getting better 💪

lol, perhaps one day.

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Not anytime soon sorry. Please check the Great War channel for that content.

Perhaps in the future some day.

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Thanks for your reply. Soon more on Makhno.

Also as I recall, Both Makhno and Petilura ended up in Paris after the war, Makhno just went through Romania while Petilura went through Poland

Both as complicated I think although Russia had all the Far East troubles also...

@@HistoryHustle the Russian Far East was muddled, it literally had one Leader there who was a Ex-Tsarist Officer who'd been proclaimed the resurrection of the Mongol god of war and ruled with the same terror that the Reds did

Hi Jesse, thanks once again for replying... it's crazy what's going on in Ukraine now. I hope it ends soon!

Please explain.

Ха-ха-ха! Вы просто попали в яблочко! Особенно важным для развития украинской культуры был расстрел Сталиным всех значительных фигур украинских писателей, поэтов, художников и ученых

As some point they gave in but under Stalin they went full terror again.

Cheers!

Sounds cynical.

Georg Hegel laid that down. Talking about Ukraine and the name of your channel made me think of that quote. Heard it recently.

@@yimboninja7415 well politicians are responsible. "But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.”

@@aka99 @aka99 well said.but do the people actually learn from history?? If we did we would hold our politicians a lot more accountable.

@@yimboninja7415 how would we, how should we and how could we, the people, hold our politicians more accountable? btw, my previous sentence is a quote, but i guess you know that.

Awesome!

Glad to read. Thanks for your response.

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I agree

Sad but true.

@Oleg: that was then but do notice that Ukrainian identity developed over time especially in the 1920s. Therefore putin's claims about Ukraine today are false and used as an excuse for an unprovoked war.

@@HistoryHustle I think not only you, but also many other commentators misunderstood what Putin meant when he said that “Ukrainians and Russians are one people.” Of course, this was not said about ethnic identity. "One" does not mean "the same". The fact that Russians and Ukrainians are two distinctive ethnic groups with their own cultural and linguistic characteristics is officially recognized in modern Russia (they have an official list of ethnic groups in Russia), and served as the basis for the creation of the Ukrainian SSR as part of the USSR in 1922. Putin is referring to Russian-Ukrainian religious, linguistic and cultural closeness, 330 years of common history and millions of mixed families. He believes Russia and Ukraine must stick to each other for their mutual benefit, and he is not happy that the Ukrainian nationalists are trying to break those ties and closeness. Of course, this is not a reason for war. We are all pacifists, and any war is evil. However, in my opinion, in the current war, Ukraine is the battlefield of a wider clash. In addition to the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, there are 2 more components: the inter-Ukrainian conflict and the confrontation between Russia and the United States. Every war in history has been provoked by something. This war is also the result of a chain of provocations, mainly by the United States, as well as Ukraine's unwillingness to resolve the civil conflict in Donbas. In 90-es, there were no more peace-loving nation than Russia. Russia was willing to be a friend to all. Alas, Russia's good will was rejected. The US has become hegemonic in its relations with the rest of the world. The United States declared the prevention of the rebirth of Russia as an influential power the goal of its foreign policy (the Wolfowitz doctrine). NATO expansion has become part of this policy. Together with US-NATO interventions in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Western support for "color revolutions" in the former Soviet republics, this was seen by Russia as a threat.

Nationalism wasn't strong at the time in russian empire, both ukrainian and russian peasant cared more about well being of their village than that of their nation

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Thanks as always Otis!

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Thanks Edgar.

Here's more: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3iE4NSiZtIQ.html

@@HistoryHustle Thank you! Will check it out :-)

Sure is. Thanks Marc!

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Lenin was pragmatic.

@@HistoryHustle it is just another way to say smarter. He set realistic goals and proposed adequate ways to achieve them. What would be the definition of non-pragmatic? Delusional?

@@HistoryHustle also Lenin reacted to challenges - for instance, the response to famine was the new economic politics (NEP). Stalin's reaction to famine was none. Putin is similar to Stalin - similar denial and ignorance

Its exact borders yes. Its culture and nationalist sentiments existed longer.

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Thanks for your reply.

Yes how true. And nobody seems to learn and remember. half polish-hungarian I am shocked to see how central and eastern Europe is thrown in the bear-trap by the west, as meat, then abandoned and neglected in a second phoney war. Only Poland was betrayed at least five times by the West since WW1... but that's we are people. Short memory,

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Think so yes. Perhaps already in 1939 after Molotov Ribbentrop pact.

@@HistoryHustle yes. Sadly.

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Thanks for watching.

too bad for russia

К несчастью, у России нет сердца, - только зубы и когти.

​@@blackandwhiteHelen Украине нужно было всего лишь выполнить Минские соглашения,. Почему хохлы такие тупые?!

Thanks for watching!

Billie from Bol.com.

In my previous I explained the 4 different Ukraines of 1918.

Soon more on the Free Territory.

Degenerative ancap.

Anarcho capitalists exist mainly online not in the real world. The basis of Anarchism has always been anti-capitalist since capitalism is always going to have an owning class exerting authority over the remaining population.

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There were deeper reasons, please watch the video.

Any idea which uniform it really is?

@@HistoryHustle I am unsure and just jealous because none of my historic uniform fit. Wear what you wish but keep up the content. . The material is great keenly unique. The power of history is needed now more than ever. I have a topic to suggest but I need to paetron you first ! Ciao!

@@HistoryHustle is the uniform Dutch reserve?

Ok, thanks.

Please explain.

Rude. They're historical costumes.

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Thanks, much more to cover. Actually, here is my take on WW2 and Ukrainian collaboration: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cll91vfc_3Q.html

Ok.

Same shit?

@@HistoryHustle trying to break up Russia you're the history teacher look back b4 1914 this has been the plan of my country Britain for over 100yrs and now we're backing Banderas mob to do it

@@shanequeen5003 The Russians kicked the Ottomans out? Poland-Lithuania had to do it, after the Cossacks under Petro Doroshenko pledged themselves to the Ottomans.

@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 well said I knew tht at least someone has brains

@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 well done ✅ someone knows history

The anarchists.

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Thanks for your reply, T.! And yeah, my voice was still kinda rusty. Doing much better now though.

@@HistoryHustle : glad to here that 👍

Thanks for your reply.

You should certainly read Figues. I would also recommend The Unknown Revolution by Voline and the History of the Mahknovist Movement by Peter Arshinov for contemporary views by participant observers.

@@walterreeves3679 I appreciate the suggestions, I will investigate. I do wonder if there is anything in further reading which fosters the hope for a better outcome for the Slavs. The history of Russia is so thick and tragic I think it is too dense to thoroughly grasp without sinking into a state of despair, that is the sense I have gotten from the authorities I have read so far. I began by reading surveys histories and biographies of Soviet leaders starting with Khrushchev and working backwards. As an American I was interested in the impact of the KGB/NKVD on our politics, not exactly a bundle of laughs. Currently I am catching up on events in 1600 England and the Thirty Years war in Europe, which at least has the benefit of familiar names and locations. I am hoping Stefan will do a series about the Dutch Wars of independence to soften the impact of wading into that mire.

Each country is.

Видимо, Ваша страна никем никогда не была «искусственно» создана? Она существовала от сотворения мира?

Please watch the video.

@@HistoryHustle Yeah, I did watch the video. And have done quite a lot of academic history research - so there is that. And the history of "Ukraine", is that it is whatever various interested parties says it is - ethnically, historically, geographically and politically. There is no historical border for a "Nation" that stands up to any sort of scrutiny. And of the dozens of ethnic groups in the area, you wouldn't find two to agree on anything substantive. If you wanted to build a State, and a Country, and a Nation (not the same things) then you would need to tread very carefully, sympathetically, and with compassion to the problems, trauma's and tragedies of all the many and various peoples living there. Instead, far too many people have decided they would rather "solve" their problems with a gun. And far too many foreign actors have funded and armed that dissent and conflict - to further their own (seperate) interests. So the people who got to try to impose a solution (to their liking) are the pawns, extremists and fanatics - with fever dreams of their (usually racist) ideal utopia. The very fact that there has been nearly continuous war/conflict, ipso-facto demonstrates there is no such thing as "Ukraine". Only land that has been fought over by many, many people for centuries. The oddity that has existed since the end of the Soviet Union, was never stable, and has only gotten less so over 30 years, through internal (and external) decisions and actions. The Noun "Ukraine" has been co-opted to mean whatever anybody has wanted it to mean. First ask what their agenda is, before asking anyone what Ukraine is.

​@@barryscott6222 С уважением к Вам, Ваше мнение совершенно ошибочно. Сомневаюсь, что Вы когда-либо посещали Украину. О каких десятках разных этнических групп Вы говорите? Как раз наоборот: один этнос - украинцы - был разорван между разными государствами. Разумеется, эта ситуация очень осложнила формирование современной политической украинской нации, но она все же состоялась, и включает а себя не только этнических украинцев. Если бы это было не так, прогноз западных аналитиков о быстром падении Украины уже давно был бы оправдан. Но Вы тут не единственный в комментариях, чьи представления об Украине очень далеки от истины. К сожалению, адекватных комментаторов очень, очень мало.

Please watch the video.

@@HistoryHustle I’m aware of this. Ultimately, it went to the Soviet Union.

Well then you should look better at the news. Also in Eastern Ukraine many Russian-speaking Ukrainians resist Russian rule.

@@HistoryHustle I know that. That's why I say there should be another country.

I'am from Dnipro, and I disagree with you.