Ummm....after Hector killed Max, Don Eladio tells Gus - "The only reason you are alive and he is not is because I know who you are. But understand, you are not in Chile anymore". So there was something in the past that saved Gus, not because Don Eladio needed him in the future for anything....
That makes sense. I kinda think that his name isn’t even gus due to this quote from eladio and the fact that Hank couldn’t pull his name up in the records for chile
Also explains why someone even as skilled and experienced as Mike can’t find out Gus’ real identity. This fan theory is what I personally believe in but it could be just be one of those “left to interpretation” scenarios.
It's almost funny that nothing in the BB/BCS universe wouldve happened without Don Eladio deciding to kill Gus's boyfriend here. I cant even imagine what wouldve happened to walt in that timeline
Nah a lot of stuff would’ve happened differently is all. Mike would stay working various odd criminal jobs in the Albuquerque area, Jimmy’s arc would continue until Lalo disappears into Mexico, and Walter and Jesse look to sell the 38 pounds elsewhere, which would’ve led to god knows what.
Because he could tell which one was the mastermind and more of the leader. If they killed Gus they probably wouldn't of gotten anywhere with Max. They could tell Gus was the more beneficial one.
Uh.. i could tell by body language and guses never ending rage that it was his boyfriend/life partner that was killed. I never needed other clues.. knew it the second i saw it.. I'm sure most people did. When he later says "a man provides for his family"... he meant everything he was doing was a means of providing revenge for the love of his life..
It's amazing Josh that so many people don't spot that Gus lost his life partner. It's like an IQ test. It was blatantly clear they were a couple And Gus, the sheer long term vindictiveness from a ruthless man against Hector - is definite proof of the relationship status " If only I could cause you the pain you've caused me " - James Franco
@FantasyVisuals I totally agree.. as a matter of fact, before it was confirmed in better call Saul, I got in 2 separate arguments on threads about it. Both said "you gay guys always think others are gay"... and not that it matters.. I'm not gay . I'm just observant as many people are. I explained that it was extremely obvious they were a couple. And that homophobic rants don't make it less of a fact. Myself and others figured it out INSTANTLY. I know in my heart that people who were denying it online.. there were many discussions about it.. were denying out of some weird political reason. But LONG before better call saul.. those who can read a situation knew at the very moment his partner was shot.
@@joshythehand2960I think you're right, but the whole body language thing is a bit silly. It would be pretty easy think that Max was something of a brother to Gus, although obviously it's more than that, it wouldn't be ridiculous for people to come to other conclusions. It's just a scene from a TV show, someone's opinion on it isn't necessarily emblematic of something bigger.
@@joshythehand2960I wouldn’t say it’s too obvious at first. Gus was somewhat of a philanthropist who put people through school, we see that with Max, Gale, and the Doctors who would save his life later on. They all mention that it was Gus who put them through school, so to me I assumed he was somewhat of a Robin Hood helping out the less fortunate who took max under his wing, just as Walter did to Jesse. Losing a protege is like losing a son.
@gogetavsvegito I could tell by his reaction at the pool. That look in his eye. And the fact he had put.other people through school kinda was a hint. There was 100% a far more personal connection.
Between the "Santiago Incident" and his connections to Peter Schuler, it's fairly easy to infer that he held a military position of some authority. Either way, shooting Max was a stupid, short-sighted decision, creating a long-term enemy over a slight that could have been settled by taking a beating or offering to cut a finger to prove loyalty. That would have been more than enough for the slight of "slinging drugs to gangsters who sell other drugs". I did think it was odd he let Eladio fall into the pool.. almost like he didn't even want to touch him, regardless of the hatred.
@@Themselveswhy Right, because mutilation and "no supper" are equivalent?? Of course there's going to be a violent response; it doesn't necessarily have to be murder.
@@saberserpent1134 not in this case Gus really did manipulate a meeting perhaps it wasn't mean spirited but it still showed disrespect and in that life that the ultimate slap in the face. Eladio had to do something to reign in Gus to make him scared of him obviously he took him lightly because what Gus did was just genius afterwards. But in the beginning he had to in lack of better terms make Gus his bitch make him see who was the Boss
@@serialbinger yes I’m aware, but you said something like”Gus disrespecting don eladio during their first encounter sealed max’s fate” which implies you think Gus’s demeanor was disrespectful as well in their first encounter, which it was not. He was very respectful and tried his best to respectfully explain his actions
@@picklickwickI don't think Gus intentionally acted disrespectfully, but Eladio translated Gus and Max begging for their lives as weakness, so he had Max killed. When Eladio asked Gus why he should be kept around when only one of them cooked the meth, I think he was floating the idea of being willing to keep them both, if they had actually come up with a good comeback, something like what Mike Ehrmantrout did when he came to demand the 50 000 bucks from Hector and said he was just going to kill him if he didn't get the 50k. He didn't kill Gus obviously because of his background. But if Gus wasn't so significant, I think he would've either killed them both or just kept Max because he was the chemist.
@picklickwick Giving samples of Max's work to underlings was disrespectful to a boss who would be automatically paranoid about controlling rival product.
The whole 'Gus is gay' narrative had to be included later in the writing. Because right before Max is shot, he says that Gus is like a brother to him. That's a super weird thing to say about your lover.
I think it's more because of the time period, they would've had to hide their relationship because being gay was seen as VERY gross and something to get killed over way back when, so being brotherly would be used as an excuse to explain why they're so close so they can hide their romance
Absolutely right! it all comes straight back to the big question ... "was Gus a horses hoof?" I would have to say he swung both ways, personally ... note the salacious winks and rapid raising of the eyebrows whenever that Lydia bird was about. In the hotel room when that German fella is there? I thought they were going to spit-roast her, but once again we were kept guessing!
i mean me personally i wouldn't tell the cartel i'm a gay man in a gay relationship and "hey here's my gay lover" like i don't think the cartel is really the best group of people to come out to
This made me think like…. Where are the female Salamanca’s?? We saw nonna in BCS but if you watched everything it seems like hector raised his nephews single handedly.. also, who are the parents of the cousins??
I've always interpetrated in a more simple explanation. Don Eladio had to make an example out of them, they've insulted him. He track their background, as everyone in that position would do. He knew by a fact, somehow, that Gus was really a criminal and was there to make business. On the other hand, he probably had not been able to do the same with Max. So killed the one he didn't knew anything about it, and could easily being a cop, an infiltrated. It is how this business works: zero tolerance to "outsiders". You just don't talk about business with a boss and walks free without having minimun "credibility". That's where the "i know who you are" came front. it was just a way to say: "I choose you to live because you are who you say you are".
Realy ? Tuco was hanks brother in law? how could you make such a misserable mistake ? :D...Haisenberg was Hanks brother in law not Tuco....The only reason he killed Max just to assert dominance over him and make him fear cartel...nothing to do with any threats...Gus wasnt a threat to him...He knew Gus will be forced to work with him anyway...I believa Max was killed cause moments before he got shot in a head he showed weakness while Gus was totaly calm...No place for weak peoples in drug bussines....
So really, there was no solid reason for killing Max. He only did it because he wanted to show Gus he was in charge? Doesn’t make any sense and if he didn’t kill gus because of his connections, then Gus could of used that as leverage and said he needed the cook.
You going to spoil the entire character arc of Gus and NOT include his last moments as the the half faced T-800 from Terminator? Why do I even bother watching these recap videos. I'm learning nothing lol
Since he was a don, Gus had to plan this for years without getting killed himself. Plus hector was a complete asshole to almost everyone so a quick death wouldn’t satisfy Gus.
I noticed the smouldering sexual tension between the two characters but never realised that they had been lovers. Hetcor Salamancer is definitely a sausage jockey, anyone can spot that .. it highlights the amazing scriptwriting throughout the entire episode. However, close scrutiny will reveal that many of Frings men are bummers ... Mike Ermantrouts and Tyrus Hodge are both gay ... note secretive winks, a shy smile here and there from Tyrus, and the longing stares. It's no secret Walter White was to be openly bisexual but Bryan Cranston was violently opposed to the planned graphic sex scenes between himself and Aaron Paul.
@angryanakin thanks, angryanakin. I have to confess, I never felt comfortable with some of the subplots. The pilot was ghastly and needlessly violent, with many confusing references to The Shining Path.
So would the show have been better if max was just… a woman? Nothing would change, female max would still have been Gus’ love interest, Gus would’ve gotten mad at the cartel, breaking bad would’ve happened. I think the reason you don’t understand the importance of losing a lover because you’ve never had one in the first place LMAO
Lol i guess everyone missed the part where they took it as disrespect that he'd come to them with the drug methamphetamine. Back in those days the cartel hated meth. They seen it as an inferior drug.
@@serialbinger And then no one would be able to stop the hit on Walt from the Salamanca twins. Walt would be killed for killing Tuco and maybe Jesse too.
In my interpretation, Eladio does not care about the quality of his product unless it can make him more money. So when they talk about how cocain doesn't suite the way of the world, it's almost a direct insult to his product and by extension his business. So when Max starts his speech about Gus being a business genius... Its almost as if Eladio sees Max as Gus's product. It's (in my opinion) the equivalent of seeing a kid with a cooler toy than you, so you're either jealous of the toy and get a better one, or you smash their toy to make the kid cry. He wanted Gus to feel hurt for insulting his business, and thus, made the only person he trusted "broken product".
The cartel had Max killed and not Gus because Gus was involved in the Pinochet regime in Chile. How can we glean this? 1. Gus is a highly intelligent and ordered and sturdy man to a severe degree-one could say he’s stiff in his constantly straight posture and methodological tendencies to everything. This kind of behavior and demeanor would be needed for a man involved in a totalitarian regime. 2. Hector dismissively calls Gus the “generalissimo” when talking on the phone to either Bolsa or Eladio. This connects to the scene in which Hector kills Max and Eladio tells Gus they spared him because they knew who he was in Chile. This is a way to show dominance to a literal war criminal and that Gus’s talents should be avoided when dealing with the Cartel. 3. Hank interrogates Gus about his missing identity as a Chilean citizen. It’s obvious Gus had his documentation as a general in the Pinochet regime destroyed. His surgical attention to covering his tracks proves this. Yes, Gus was undoubtedly involved in the Pinochet regime. And I’m glad the writers left in clues for us to decipher this because it’s more unnerving to leave it up to people who are actually paying attention to connect the dots!
Wow .. do people really need to have these things explained to them? I know why watch it but RU-vid just loads these things.. like that just has to be the crowning achievement in laziness that one has to have there tv shows explained to them! Crazzy
There's a fan theory floating around that Gus and Max were gay lovers. That would explain the emotional response of Gus when Max was executed in front of him.
