@Hezekiah Ray are you all seriously responding to a hacker and trying out with “website” lmao he’s bout to steal anyone’s personal info who visits that site. Don’t
I saw Stan’s video too. He absolutely did not say to buy wheels over tracks. He stated the advantages and disadvantages of both. But you also missed the part where he said “If you can only buy one machine, buying a wheeled skid steer with OTT tracks might be the best option”. So you bought a wheeled machine to work construction sites and didn’t fill the tires with foam. First mistake. Then the rain comes and you honestly expected that your machine would float on mud. You were shocked when it didn’t. Then you sold your machine at a huge loss when all you needed to get some OTT tracks. $3,000 max and you could have had wheels when you need them, and tracks when you need them. Stan covered all this and you blame him.
Thanks for that. I watched Stan's video right before this one and you're absolutely correct he said if you can only have one loader get wheels AND rubber (not metal) OTT. Also I don't see the problem with having a spare tire on hand for the wheel loader.
@@TigranGertz I'm not in landscaping/construction but I have 4 spare rims and tires for my bobcat at all times, ready to go. Maybe you're just clueless and unprepared in your business?
I have 2 wheel loaders with tubeless tires get a tire patch kit and compressor and a few spares no problem track machines are nice but upkeep is expensive tracks are expensive this guy is a wus
Jeez. Anyone who needs to call the dealership for a skid steer flat tire is NOT someone I'd take equipment advice from unless I needed help with a loan application.
I heard that an thought he's a funny man. Dealerships best customers, those who don't like to get dirty, don't have a clue or money is no object. Doing business like that eats in to profits, he might want to hire someone that has some knowledge to fix repairs. I'm afraid what the future is going to be when today's youth have to do physical work, you'd swear this guy was using millennial work ethic play.book
I have two case 450 machines wheel and tracked. It costs 3x per hour to run the track machine. For $1000 I can get 4 new tires, 3600 I can get tracks, not including idlers and sprockets. If I’m not on soft soil the track machine is parked.
Stan knows what he’s talking about. I see what your saying and I agree 100% that tracks are the way to go in construction and landscaping. However up north like Minnesota where Stan is from tracks freeze up and turn into a bigger headache than a popped tire. Also snow tires are much better than snow tracks and a large portion of his business is snow.
I disagree with you you bud. In recent videos Stan said snow tracks are better and I remember the video this guy is talking about vividly it’s the first dirt monkey video I ever watched and Stan never said anything about the majority of the country where it doesn’t snow like that all season he just said “tires are better than tracks” no caveats nothing so unfortunately I think you’re 100% mistaken
You are 100% right. Not to mention they literally get frozen to the ground if parked below freezing overnight. I have a tracked machine. Everyone wants one until it throws a track or it’s time to pay the bill for the under carriage bill
@@ijtoyosi I throw a couple boards under my tracks if it’s going to be that cold never have that problem . I think the amount of use you get out of the machine And money you make with it outweighs the cost of the tracks by far . At least in my case it does just my opinion. I’ll never have another rubber tire skid steer
Tires and tracks both have their pros and cons there’s really not a 1 size fits all. But if it’s tires I’ll get the solid rubber over air tires. If I was to choose between tracks and tires I like tracks, it’s a more comfortable ,less jumpy , and the operator doesn’t get as rattled.
I’ve had both, I’ll never ever own a wheeled machine after having ran both. I like dirt monkey, but you have to remember he’s critical, and knows his stuff within his operational environment. But he doesn’t know everything. Lol
Tigran is a smart businessman and using free marketing right here. Dirt Monkey is a bigger channel and Tigran is just telling his story but using Stan for the algorithms.
Thank you for your time of making this video. I just watched the other video you are talking about and i was sold on a wheeled model. You just saved me a lot of time , money and seems like head aches.
As to wheels or tracks, it all depends on the application as sometimes wheels are better and sometimes tracks are better. If I didn't know, I would have rented both types of machines and done a comparison in both dry and wet conditions and over various types of work. I have a John Deere wheeled unit and it works very well for most of my work but rent a CTL when I need to. I have run into applications in sand where the sand just really chewed up an undercarriage (idlers/rollers) and wheels were the way to go. I also have many friends in the construction business with larger firms who have both CTL units and conventional wheeled units. For muddy conditions and better gradeability, tracks are had to beat. Also, don't know why you couldn't just take the tire off and run it to an equipment dealer or a tire dealer or have a spare tire. That's what we've always done. Also, the "no-air" tires are often the way to go in hard-service applications. I don't understand why you are using either a wheeled skid-steer or a compact track loader (CTL) to load out semi-dumps. I would have used either a larger wheel loader or a crawler loader to load out semi-dumps as you're paying by the hour for these trucks and unless it's a very long haul, standard 10-wheel dumps would be better. But again, don't know the haul distances. With either a CTL or a skid-steer, you don't have a loading unit properly matched to the semi-dump's size. I'm not going to knock many videos out there on RU-vid including DM's material because most people including him are putting out useful information. But everyone is handicapped by their own perspective of their own experience.
I used to work for a company that had a thing on every year called "tough enough to wear pink" whole crew would wear them for a month and take donations for breast cancer
On my bobcat t160 track machine the under carriage parts are minimal. I bought 2 new tracks put them on by myself $1600 and 3hrs. My track machine will push more - very stable - and never have gotten it stuck in the 2 years i have had it. They hold slopes like no other. I have had the tracks on for 500 hrs and they are really really tough. I would never buy a wheel machine in my geographical location. The only folks i know that would recommend a wheel machine are folks that have never had a track machine or folks doing ice/snow/or asphalt work. just my 2 cents
Scott webster, so you knew everything from the get-go? So he listened to a guy with way more experience and got bad information, why wouldn’t he call out Dirt Monkey?
This is one of those situations where use case determines what is best. On my farm I could use a CTL but it would be more expensive and use more fuel compared to my small articulated wheel loader. This machine has similar capabilities of the largest skid steers or CTLs but only needs a 60hp engine to run it and since a tire puncture is far less common I run air filled radial tires with 7500 hours on the machine the tires are still original.
I'm really happy with my 95xt with wheels running foam filled tires with Grouser OTT Tracks. It was expensive. But the traction is off the charts and I don't have to worry about tearing up rubber tracks. Steel tracks will definitely tear up the ground under a 10k lb machine.
You said it yourself stan said that 5 years ago when tracks weren’t the best and he snow plows and you couldn’t use tracks in the snow until last year they developed snow tracks. You should always do your own research...
Brother You made the mistake Not Stan!!! You needed to do your Homework. You took someone's word. Then you Blame them for your Actions. Wake up. We are responsible for our own Actions Not others.
@@dysphunktion yeah but if you research you can see more people's experiences than just one Stan was voicing his experiences with them guy decided to take one guys experiences and base his decisions on that instead of looking into people doing a lot of what he is doing
I found a deal on a cat 226b with 224 hours. It was a wheeled machine so i concerned but it was too sweet to pass up. I ordered some over tire tracks and it is a great machine. So much power and float in the mud. So far its working out really well. Thanks for another great video.
I have two track machines and 1 wheeled. The track rigs rest in the winter because they are useless and the wheeled unit with chains is the go to machine. In the summer, the wheeled unit loads attachments in the yard and the track rigs are awesome. I started with a wheeled unit and steel over the wheel tracks so that I could cover both season until I could afford the additional machines.
It looks like your from a southern climate, us northern boys like our wheels for snow removal! See stans video from this year. He clarified during the more recent video
Most of us who run wheeled machines have the ability to repair them quickly, so this scenario only applies to those who don't. That said, I agree with both of you, depending on the use case.
I watched both videos (dirtmonkey's and the one when you bought the first 259) before buying my loader. Bought a track machine. Very happy. The only thing they're not good for is steep ice covered roads. Wheels with chains work best for that scenario.
Stan has his own opinions so don’t go trash talking about him.! By the way John deer is a good brand! And don’t talk trash about John deer. And people have their own opinions so don’t trash talk about them!
We plow snow all winter here in Wyoming. We put snow tracks on and they go like a dozer. You can also stud the tracks and that really helps. Tracks are more costly but will outwork the wheeled machines all day long every time
Stan runs tracks on all but one of his machines now? I feel like you called him out on his opinion from 2015 for little to no reason. He’s still growing his company as technology grows also. He’s still learning too. We all are.
Yes sir, was always confused why anyone would use tires. I have a small excavating company up here in tbe N.W and you really cant find a skid without tracks. Typically only see those in a warehouse situation. More and more my backhoe is becoming less desired. It once was the swiss army knife of our jobs, but because those tires cant compete with track machines I am right on the edge of selling it. Not to mention with all the attachments with skids now, the track machine completely destroys in performance. Thanks for the video. I got you.
I do tree/stump work, gravel road building and grading, demolition and snow removal and I personally like having tires with OTT rubber tracks. It’s definitely not perfect as you need to modify your bucket a bit if you run the OTT tracks most of the time - but it’s nice to have all the traction of tracks when you need it and just take the tracks off when you don’t need them. There are times I much prefer a turf tire to tracks when going across lawns or working on gravel. No doubt you can work sideways on steep grades much easier and safer with a track machine then a wheeled machine - however sometimes it’s good not to have the perfect machine as it make you learn new skills and how to do the same work but in a different way when you don’t have a track machine on jobs that a track unit would be much easier on. I have two machines, neither are new - a 2000 Gehl 5635 and a 2019 Case SR 250 - both are wheeled machines and both run rubber OTT tracks all Spring, Summer and Fall and just run tires in the winter for snow.
I have never wished for wheels when I had a track machine onsite. But I damn sure have wished I had a track machine when I had a wheel machine onsite. Goat Gaaang! 🐐 🐐 🐐
We have a 75 and a 95. 75 has been great. 95 has had DEF problems and has been at the dealer for a year of the two years we had it. 3 mos, 4 mos, 2 mos, and three mos so far...Stay away from a def
He said they are better than wheeled for most situations but tires are good for demo with steel and stuff you do have a chance of cutting the tracks on it if you keep doing it OTTs are a great solution it you have only enough money for one machine and those cuts will bust just wait you will still have good rubber and tread but your tracks will break
I agree 100% also if you are spreading loam for seeding and drive over it with wheeled machine it has way more psi on the contact of the loam that makes it very compacted and very hard to rake out, A track machine still compacts is some but not near as bad. If you are on soft or wet or sandy or any combination of the 3 ground.... Tracks are 10 times more grip thank wheeled machines. Hard rubber is out of the question for landscaping lawns etc... Great for paving like you said so you are stuck with air tires. I can't count how many hours lost and plans had to change over flat tires over the years in skidsteers I have had. Having said that the only tracked machines I have used were rentals, I have owned 7-8 wheeled skids.. Owned 1 mini track skid... Am buying my first tracked (not mini) skid steer tomorrow. I am excited.... Its a used machine but I do all my own repairs and maintenance I am good with used and big money savings. I like Stan... But I disagree on this, and also his video about dual ram dump trailers.... I prefer them to the other options and in testing have as much strength or more as the other options
We use our tired bobcat for snow & loading materials at our yard. Never goes out on projects unless it's all asphalt. Our 2 bobcat t595 are always on projects.
Fist bump to a fellow landscaper.. have you practiced your wheelies.. Tires for me... only way to do wheelies lol 👉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TizUqkmujL4.html
I did my own research and decided tracks for my application. It all depends on the work you are doing as to what will suit your needs. Some jobs suit wheels and some suit tracks, there is also operator personal preference.
I have to agree. I ran a wheel skid steer for 6 years. Never again. Dealing with punctures more than a tyre repair shop. Sure it’s not difficult to fix but it’s a PIA and costs in down time. Then there’s operator comfort. I was young then, now not so young I hate skid steers altogether but will only operate a track machine these days.
I've been running Skid steers since the late 90's, back then, I only knew of Bobcat and their horrible foot controls and rubber tires. In the early 2000's, we rented a tracked Takeuchi.....we've never operated a tired machine since.
All I have to say is pass blame however you like but we run both a s250 and t250 and have never blown out a tire during demo work in 15yrs but it comes down to how well your employee takes care of your equipment
This is a beginners view. Great advice from a beginner. I own both. Each one has its place. I only run large tires that never get flats. Buy spare wheel and tire. When you break a track at 1900 hours you'll be down 2 days minimum and spend 1800 for a track. We keep spare tracks in yard. Call cat ask them how much to install a set of new tracks. I had a set no flat tires there to expensive and burn rubber off to fast. If we are in dirt we send track machine, if on asphalt scooping base say grading sidewalks we use rubber tired machine. He's also not figuring cost of undercarriage, when you have to change rollers, sprockets, front idlers. Hang on to your ass when they want 18000 for all that. I've survived 40 years as an excavator, things aren't black and white in this business.
Damn bro. Shots fired!! You aren’t wrong though. Had I known you then id have told you to just get a track machine. My graph is way worse. It’s like 90% unsubscribed that watch my videos. Lol. Keep it up broski
When the track pops off because it gets loose and there is a grease zert on top of the rollers that ride on the track, and you’re supposed to grease it everyday and that tightens the track up
Eddie B You have no clue what you are talking about. You are not supposed to grease that Zerk to tighten the tracks daily! That’s why it’s behind a plate so people like you don’t touch it and over tighten the tracks. Only reason I even responded to this is so others don’t listen to your ignorance.
Eddie B interesting how you don’t defend you original statement but resort to personal attacks. I just can’t stand people spreading information that they simply have no clue about. My guess is on time on a job site someone told you that and now you regurgitate it everywhere as the truth. Go and educate yourself if your going to comment on a subject.
I'm pretty sure Stan took that statement back a couple years ago because any loaders he's been getting have had tracks on them. I think his biggest issue with tracks in the past was dirt tracks not working when your plowing snow but since he's been using ASV's with their track design and swapping dirt tracks for snow tracks on his CAT he's been more of an advocate for track machines.
Um... I would not worry about the tracks breaking that's silly, but as for the idlers, rollers and drive motors that stuff gets expensive fast especially on concrete and other hard surfaces. Changing a tire is relatively cheap and can be done pretty quickly. Also you can put over the tire tacks over your tires if you really want to. Also Dirt Monkey owns both track and tire loaders for a reason they both have their strengths and weaknesses, tracks for dirt, mud and sand. Tires for being on concrete and asphalt.
cant beat tracks for demo or landscaping because they crawl over everything, don't go flat and don't tear up the ground near as bad. for like myself on the farm where we use the pallet forks more than anything the tires are a must for the smother ride, also have better traction on snow and ice. there are times we wished we had tracks, but there's also times we are thankful for the tires.
Both have their own advantages, if you work in hard surfaces wheels perform better, if you work mostly in dirt a wheel skid steer will do a better work, I have both
Definitely tracks for hills hands down.. level ground though... Tires for me... only way to do wheelies lol 👉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TizUqkmujL4.html
Tracked all the time .Some say you can’t run tracks in the wintertime because they just slip , well Pro - Lynx has a great product that attaches to the tracks that give it gear traction . Pro-Lynx traction bars.
Yes agre 100% tires r cheeper to replace so if your on asphalt all the time go wheels but for anything else get tracks demo guys I no run air less wheel tires landscapers and anyone running on dirt goes tracks
I am a site supervisor now but used to work for a large excavation company ( worked for a landscaper after and during high school). I shook my head when I seen the dirt monkey video you were mentioning. Yes rubber tired skid loader s are best on pavement. But if you are on dirt, especially loading trucks absolutely tracks. You wear tracks out and can plan accordingly unlike what happens with tires. The dirt monkey video you mentioned I think is older and if you notice he has went to almost exclusively tracks now.
They both have their benefits....I've been around equipment for 25+ years....wheel loaders Do Not tear up yards in turns,as you have much more control with a tire....now,if you're on un-sodded ground a track unit would be better...I've done hundreds of relocations,on palms and hardwoods and I can assure you that trying to make a turn on good grass with a track is going to destroy the property,as with a rubber tire,you can "walk" the unit into a turn....also,hate to say it,but Cats are one of the most NON user friendly units on the market,when it comes to repairs(Kubota 95s being worse).. Bobcats are ok,but don't have enough weight in the ass..try picking a Royal palm with 24ft of wood and they'll tip.....at the end of the day, there's many pros and cons and uses to each design....and FYI,the JD 318s and 320'a are de-tuned for the rental industry,for insurance purposes to prevent any accidents from operators that are unfamiliar with operating a skid unit.....try a JD 326 wheel unit or a JD 333 track unit and you'll see the difference in power and lifting capacity....plus,JD's are very owner/operator friendly units,when it comes to service and have a way better DPF/DEF system,vs many other units out there...trust me,I've ran and repaired basically every unit on the market...that being said,tires and tracks both have their pros and cons for the ground being ran on.....also,best unit ever made is the mid 2000's New Holland 185s High flow...(just my opinion)
There is a time and place for wheeled skid steer. If you are working pavement, hard surface will where your tracks faster. But seems like you are mostly in dirt tracks will be the best. Also nest time ask them to demo both machines and decide for your self. I did final grades with my 239D in all kinds of different materials from clay to sand. You can never go wrong with tracks even on hard surface. And he is right, those solid tires are garbage in the dirt. The other option you could have done was get a set of tire chains for mud. Still no substitute for tracks. Always demo machines. Your tracks should almost never pop off as long as you are keeping them tensioned right.
When we get flats we just call out tire outfit. Flats are fixed on site with their service truck for about $100. Working again within the hour every time.
We bought a wheel Bobcat s 570 for a demolition and through the process we got so many flats and lost a lot of money because of that reason, now we have a Mt 85 and we are also planning on getting and tracks T590 next year.
That's a great one! Flat tire an he calls the dealership an they tell been to bring it on lol!!! Just fix it, who take a tire to the dealership to get fixed!!
Yes I watched the video. I have a tire machine with steel over the tire tracks that puts rubber tracks to shame. But I live up in mn where are weather is a bit different.
@@dakotaellingson7488 dakota I hear you, I'm in northern wi an have two larger bobcats with wheels an one has steel tracks over the tires, winter weather is a hole nother animal to deal with!!
Most guys I know who have wheeled skid steers have a spare wheel that they bring with them. Also yoi have have a spare tube and a plug kit, these wheels only go 10kph (6mph) so many punctures can be fixed easily by a local tyre shop while the machine still works with the spare on
Wheels over tracks is better for 95% of the jobs I need to do. Wheeled machines compact the materials(dirt & gravel) better. Winter time snow plowing with 1 pairs of tire chains is unbeatable. Roadability way better especially with 2 speed travel. Cost far less maintenance wise to track machine. Can’t think of but a couple areas where tracks would be an advantage. Manufacturers make more $$ selling track machines due to more wear & tear replacement parts on the undercarriage, is why they push the track loaders.
Hey T, this video goes along well with your new video you just posted about getting your tracks replaced! You should do a follow up video using this video as a reference.
I have had same issues. Always issue with wheel machine. When track machine is in use only issue ive had was hydro line pinch. But no issue from tracks
I agree completely that the tracked machine is the way to go, it’s a complete no brainer, and if your worried about the cost of tracks all you need to do is figure out your cost to operate per hour. Cost plus 20% is what you charge. A word of advice, if you can’t get anything but a wheeled machine just make sure that your crew has a spare tire on the trucks, and the tools to change it out.
i bought a old t190 track machine - what a little monster!! bought 2 new tracks for $1600 installed myself- I could never own a wheel machine-Tracks are the only way to go for ANY skidsteer. anyone that would prefer tires over tracks have never owned a track machine- just sayin yaull
You should see my tracks !! I abused them.. until the point of showing the wire that runs between the metal brackets 😬. And yes I do demolition work.. I can send you pictures how it looks the tracks when I change them. You will be surprised how much rubber it’s left. Almost nothing 😅
I've heard of people blaming other people for their own mistakes and here you have it, a prime example. This guy must have poured his guts out to his boyfriend while they were spooning.
