The Disney princes get a lot of misrepresentation as being "bland." And while that may be true for Prince Charming and the Michael Jackson-looking prince from Snow White, I don't know why people think that about the rest. Prince Eric is Ariel's kindred spirit. The reason he loves her isn't because of her looks, but because he's shy and introverted and he likes having someone as spontaneous as Ariel to teach him to appreciate the little things in life. That is ultimately what compels him to step up and become a man. Aladdin is the first Disney prince with his own movie. And he's compelling because of his inferiority complex and he has to learn that true power is freedom. And that is what wins Jasmine's heart because she knows better than anyone that life isn't about possessions. I also hate that Li Shang was cut from the Mulan remake simply because he was "Ping's" superior. Because while I agree that dating your boss is not healthy, Disney forgot that Shang was no longer Mulan's superior when they fell in love. She had been discharged from the army.
As for the Li Shang problem I thought an easy fix would be introducing Li Shang’s father and making him the technical general of the army but have him give that responsibility to Shang due his father leaving to go lead the war or something like that I think it happens in the original movie too. So this would make Shang more like a substitute general and more like an ace fighter that can show everyone how to fight and what not.
The princes are humble, kind, and selfless, willing to risk their very lives for the princesses. Why is that so hard to believe? The princesses get saved by their respective princes and are genuinely grateful. How could that possibly be a bad thing?
It isn't. In my opinion, a Princesses friends or prince saving them is good charma. And let's be real, young girls do occasionally fantasize about people protecting or helping them. Many princesses are sweet, and its how they get connections, so when things do go wrong, someone is coming for them. That's something we should want to teach people: make friends and be kind.
@@ThreadBareHope1234 And vice versa. Some men love powerful women, and while aesthetic appeal just happens to be a factor, it isn't the only reason. It's usually because the women in question are tender-hearted enough to love others and strong enough to protect those they love. So in a way, power is attractive to people, not just because of the weight of influence, but because of the protections that come with it.
@@yanrokbowl28 That is true. Though it is a lot less about power, more the strength of their heart, I get what you are saying. Men and Women alike crave security in any form that that comes
You know who actually does stalk Snow White? The Evil Queen. She watches her through a Magic Mirror without her knowing. She sends a Huntsman out to kill her. She transforms herself into an old hag just to trick her into eating the poisoned apple. THAT's stalking!
And all because she was envious of how Snow White was perceived the fairest in all the land. The first person you need to convince that you’re beautiful is yourself.
Belle is introduced as a girl who clearly likes books, and Gaston doesn't think women should read. When the Beast wants to do something nice for her, he shows her his library and, upon seeing her delight, tells her it's all hers. Similarly, Jasmine wants to see the world outside her palace, and what does Aladdin do? He takes her on a magic carpet ride, taking her to Egypt, Greece and China all in one night. Sure, these might be unrealistic standards, but in principle they're good lessons on how to tell Mr. Wrong from Mr. Right......as well as how to be Mr. Right. Also on the subject of the Beast, you can clearly see in him all of the hallmarks of a guy who's given up at the beginning. He barely bothers wearing clothes at all, his grooming is minimal, his place is an absolute mess, his manners have completely fallen by the wayside and he really doesn't want to entertain guests. As a long time bachelor, I can relate.
I agree. That is really good. Though that is a high standard, to expect a guy to just fulfill your deepest wishes, it is cute and something loving people will -within reason- do for each other. All the Princes or even non-princes like Quasimodo or David the Surfer, have this pure, wholesome, simple expression of how much they like the girl in their life. It's making my eyes water. I want a guy like that.😄😄
I think in fact that Beast was feeling some kind of depression because of what it happened to himself, so he was struggling to change until he met Belle. I mean...who can blame him? Sure, he needed a lesson to learn, but at the same time we can empathize for him. Someone who worked for the movie said that if Beast never met Belle he much probably could have lost his speech and would have gone to live into the forest, leaving the others and the castle behind.
@@ThreadBareHope1234 I think the library was more of a gesture of supporting her reading rather than a huge gift, I mean obviously it is but in the way that Gaston would reject her desire to read the Beast supports it, his method of doing so just happens to be a castle with a huge library in it.
Translate that to real life, and all these girls want the most expensive things and Im sitting here with my 50k 9-5 job being called a broke boy 😂. Then again, I'd rather have the baker's peasant daughter instead of a princess if you get what I'm saying.
When I first heard back in 2010 that "Rapunzel" was to be renamed "Tangled" due the the creators wanting to emphasize the movie being "just as much the prince's story as it was Rapunzel's story," I rolled my eyes. Now, looking back from 2023, I have come to deeply appreciate the intentions behind this retitling, and I very much long for the 2010 version of Disney, a version which cared so deeply about character writing that they actually changed the title of a movie with the intention of encouraging viewers NOT to view this movie through the lens of gender, but rather through the lens of a universal human experience. Tangled was the culmination of the "prince/princess/villain" formula that Disney had been slowly honing for 80 years until that point. It is just such a well-balanced movie that perfects the formula in every possible way and leaves us with three extremely memorable characters that are ALL developed with a great deal of care in the way they were written. I've rewatched this movie so many times because I just love all of the characters so darn much! While I don't know the details of the creative teams behind each movie, I view Tangled and Frozen as two opposing approaches to Disney interpreting its "prince/princess/villain" formula. Tangled takes a more optimistic approach which sets out to pay respect to the formula and build on it, while Frozen takes a pessimistic approach which sets out to criticize and subvert the formula. Unfortunately, Disney chose the latter as their path moving forward. Just as Tangled was the culmination of years of respect for the formula, the marketing for the upcoming "Snow White" remake is the culmination of years of subversion of the formula - and the culmination of subversion is active ridicule. I hope that Disney will see Rachel Zegler's comments as a wakeup call to stop going down this road. It's gone far beyond "lifting up women" and has devolved into just bullying of men. This way of thinking is NOT feminism, and it makes me sad that some people feel it is. Whether Disney changes or not, I don't really care because I am always happy to go back and rewatch Tangled! It just puts such a smile on my face every time.
Man, when Tangled got retitled. I was mad too because I was afraid that Disney was only thinking about boys! I still longed to see the movie either way though. Now it’s my favorite Disney Princess movie! (Though Ariel is my main favorite Disney Princess) I really should have known better.😂😅
@@andreasmeelie1889 loll interesting im not the only one! Its almost surreal now to think there was a time when Disney was like "we should be careful to make sure our audience does't assume we are overprioritizing female characters here"
"It's gone far beyond 'lifting up women' and has devolved into just bullying of men. This way of thinking is NOT feminism, and it makes me sad that some people feel it is." No, don't excuse this crap. That's like excusing the men who rape women by just saying, "Those men are not real men". Hold people accountable for their actions, even if you agree with their _positive_ reasons.
@@yanrokbowl28 Uh duh,women can rape men too,so they should also be hold accountable for their crime,except they don't have to, because they're "female" and they have the "right". If men can be charged for their crimes,the same should be to a woman. Also,Karens exist So the guy is right about Disney,they went from supporting women to literally bullying men in favor of the girls. Disney is a huge misogynist and people are dumb that they don't know
Same with Eugene from Tangled and Prince Naveen. Their character growth and willingness to sacrifice their lives and happiness/success for their partner! God, I love them so much!
Well, I got some for you. Hercules, Aladdin, Treasure Planet, Rescuers Down Under, Atlantis, Robin Hood, Fox & The Hound, etc. Edit: okay, so I forgot to mention Kuzco, Pinocchio, main character of Black Cauldron, Young King Arthur, and Quasimodo. 😅
Snow White's prince gets too much unnecessary hate, I don't see where they get the "stalking" thing from, he hears a beautiful voice and tries to get to know her, yes he frightened her, but it was more of a surprise, he doesn't pull her back or try to physically stop her, but sings to her to show he's no threat, also people forget that when he sees Snow she's dressed like a commoner and most likely thought she was a servant and still fell for her, later we learn he's been looking for her and finally finds her supposedly dead, his kiss isn't creepy, many people and cultures have traditions where they kiss the dead goodbye and that's all this was, he was kissing her goodbye and then kneels to either cry or pray.
I always saw it as him seeing the girl he fell for gone. The kiss being like a goodbye and a confession that he never got to say. Might just be me though.
I watched the original Snow White over and over again, and I’d never seen the prince only the one time on screen. The dude wasn’t even there throughout snow white’s journey. Also, the prince didn’t kill the evil queen/witch. It was the dwarfs. So idk why that narcissistic Rachel Ziegler thought the prince was a stalker. Idc she didn’t watch the movie that’s no excuse.
@@Superlad945I'm personally not a fan of the idea of making theatrical sequels/paralells to fis that weren't recent. Aside from the original cast not being able to reprise their roles, it would probably retcon many things and set a new canon, disregarding the original. Plus that'd take up a slot for an original film. But that's just me personally. I do want more prince stories.
@@Superlad945 I feel like the first trio of princesses are the hardest to emulate--and I imagine Jodi Benson will be too, once she's done. I'd personally love a "Swan Lake" musical adaptation before any other fairy tale/story. I imagine it'd give a lot of nods to "The Little Mermaid" given their similarities. Of course, the frog princess would also be a good film for a male-centric story--but to avoid similarities to "The Princess and the Frog," you could probably change the female frog into a human-like being, similar to "Beauty and the Beast." Or Hansel and Gretel; that'd be a fun dark fantasy ride that could give everyone 90s nostalgia.
@@Superlad945 My main motivation for a "Frog princess" adaptation is because the original has the prince being insecure about his wife, and could fit in with modern Disney themes of feeling like you don't belong. I've been watching Hungarian folktales, and The Pussycat Princess is almost identical, so maybe they could do that instead--but again, give her humanoid qualities so the prince isn't simply romancing an animal. Plus I hope Tiana gives Naveen and Lottie a lot of love. Hopefully we get a preview at D23--assuming the strike hasn't affected production. I think it's because voices/accents change over time, though Snow White may be slightly less difficult since Adriana wasn't using her natural voice. It's a shame that Cibderella and Aurora's modern voices aren't quite as deep as the original ones. And speaking of Aurora, I hope future Disney musicals cast singers with operatic vocals again--Swan Lake would be a good one.
@@Superlad945 I definotely recall hearing that Jodi was originally planned to be Belle, but they found her to sound too young or something like that--which I find odd, given that her Vanessa voice is perfect, albeit make it less evil. It's sad that Paige has already been replaced; it makes me feel old, but I hope she keeps getting speaking roles fpr Belle, at least. Jodi is also a talented voice actor--as is her co-star, Christopher Daniel Barnes. A part of me does wonder if Disney held them back similar to Adriana. And if Asha becomes a Disney princess or if Wish Disney's next big film, I do have concerns that as major stars, Ariana and Chris won't always be available to reprise their roles, eventually getting phased out entirely. I just know it's gonna bother me--and the stuff with SAG-AFTRA probably has them likely to leave sooner or later, anyway.
I personally think we need another Aladdin type movie where the PRINCE (or rather, the guy) is the main character. I love the Princesses with all my heart but I wouldn't mind another Prince/Guy centric fairytale movie again
@beethovensfidelio I mean, you're right of course. I just mean that it's been a while since Disney's made a guy centric fairytale since they've been so busy girlbossifying all of the pre existing princesses. They should write a new story with a prince or a guy as the main character and he gets to having the coming of age fairytale moment! I never thought I'd be saying this but I'm tired of the girlboss princesses
Recently I re-watched Cinderella (the first one) and was actually impressed by the prince. He has like 3 lines in the whole movie, but the animators made his face so expressive and his attitude in the ball (boldly yawning in front of the guests and his father with no care at all that he was offending a lot of people, and his pissed off face in the beginning of the ball, he was clearly doing it to appease his father, but he wanted to be anywhere but there) made this character so easy to read his moods, motivations and even way of thinking
To date, the Beast is one of my top favorite Disney princes. Such a well-rounded, developed character, with both flaws and virtues. Belle didn't change him, she inspired change in him-and he realized he owed it to himself and others to try in their relationships. The best part is that his self-improvement all happens within the context of a platonic relationship, since he and Belle don't officially get together until the end; and it all occurs within the timespan of a year. I still stand by Beauty and the Beast having the best and most believable romance out of all the Disney fiilms. Hans is unironically one of my favorites as well, mainly because of how much potential he has before the dumb twist. He shows himself to be a capable leader and warrior, even putting himself in harm's way and nearly dying when fighting Marshmallow. He's the one who governed the kingdom during a crisis, and it wasn't even his responsibility to do so. A lot of people overlook this aspect of his character because the shock-twist overshadows any development he had. It's a shame. He could've really been one of the best princes since the Beast, and I wanted his backstory with his brothers expanded upon. He isn't a Disney character, but shout-out to Prince Cornelius from Don Bluth's Thumbelina. One of my favorite prince characters in animation, so noble and brave despite his naive youth. Jim Hawkins is also my favorite of the non-prince male Disney characters, really good character development.
In fact some animators who worked for Beauty and the Beast told that almost was the Beast who was the real protagonist, along with Belle. It was mostly him who had a character arc development, not just Belle. 13:43
I've always been confused about the original Prince being stalker-y. Dude got all the right signs that the girl he liked liked him back, then she literally disappears under very suspicious circumstances. Even a little of his story would easily explain why he would feel the need to search for her.
The first time they meet she’s at the palace, where she’d logically be since she’s a princess albeit one in name only as she’s washing the courtyard. The second time they meet she’s stationary by a cabin not too far from the castle for a good long while, not more than a day’s walk from the castle itself. Word would have spread too, so it’s not impossible Florian found out by word of mouth.
Hercules is great and so is Meg, but I think the movie is just a bit too cartoony (and very intentionally so) for us to connect with the main characters on as deep a level as we would with other Disney protagonists. To be clear, this is not at all a bad thing, it's a great movie but just a totally different vibe from the typical Disney story.
Thanks you so much for treating this subject, i always loved the Disney princes, they were role models to me as a boy and still now as an adult So neglected that there isn't practically no merchandising about them (i bought almost every articles i could find when the OH MY DISNEY merchandising about Princes was on sale) A book about concepts arts should have been published about Disney princes, but it's never been published P. S. : My favorite Disney animated character has always been (will always be) Prince Philipp from SLEEPING BEAUTY Whats yours?
Well, it might not count, but Milo from Atlantis: The Lost Empire is pretty similar to Aladdin and Flynn in that he starts as a nobody and marries into royalty, tho Disney doesn't like to talk about that movie.
@@eleonorepb4565So does the lion king with Simba but the thing is there's only a Disney princess franchise not a princes we would only have Aladdin since he's the protagonist and not jasmine Simba with the lion king Hercules and Kuzco with emperor's new groove
Here's an idea: make the live action remakes of fairytales from the perspective of the princes instead of the princess. It would break the trend of making the same movies over and over. But of course they wouldn't do that because of "women empowerment".
Empowerment my ass it's depowerment. As Tywin once said "any man who must say I am the King is no true king" any woman who has to say "I am strong and empowered" actually isn't.
Aldone would be really mad if Lilo and stitch gets a live action remake,because we know he loves his Hawaiian culture and the way Hawaiian culture is showed in that animated film
@@AllenTheAnimator004 It's already greenlit. The actress casted for Nani got a lot of flack because she's light-skinned, and they already re-casted David because he was lighter than the animated version.
I wonder if the people who keep saying that the prince in Snow White "stalked" her have ever actually been stalked. I had 3 stalkers in high school and I'm still struggling with PTSD after over 10 years since it happened. I can safely say Snow White's is NOT stalker material. I'll tell you who DOES fit the stalker profile: Edward Cullen from the Twilight saga. He's almost exactly how one of my stalkers followed me around (thank heavens he never got to watch me in my bedroom while I slept), and, unlike Bella Swan, I did NOT reciprocate his feelings (needless to say, I've never liked the Twilight series).
My thoughts exactly 🙌🙌🙌🙌 I swear that Rachel Zegler completely mixed up the stories of "Snow White" and "Twilight" on purpose when she said that Snow White's prince is a "stalker" 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@Muna-Jlore0997 That's what makes it all the more damning. Speaking as someone who was in theater (I was taught by my mom who took acting lessons), how can an actress be in a show where they have very little idea of what the story is, who the character is, and what to bring fresh to the character and story? What a lot of people don't realize is that acting is a real job, it's not about the fame and fortune that CAN come with it (and it's never a guarantee you will be rich and famous at the end of it). Yet for so many actors nowadays, that seems to be all they care about. As an actor/actress, you're supposed to embody not only the audience's interpretation of the character, but you also combine it with your own interpretation (and hopefully, they marry together well). In other words, you have to do your research and look into the history of the story and character, how it's been portrayed before, and methods previous actors have used in order to inform yourself as to what new to try out on set or on stage. It's wise to not sign up for any project you don't feel 100% invested in, otherwise you end up with a shoddy or sub-par performance. I don't remember where I heard the saying, but it's said that a great actor is one who can play his part well, whether or not he is passionate about it, yet a better, more rare one is found when he is passionate about the work he is doing. I was always taught that passion in the acting business is another way of say "involved behind the scenes": Research, utilizing that research, and showing the results of that research. So really, the performance is all about whether or not you did your homework on the project because it shows one way or the other. And if Rachel Zegler's marketing technique is anything to go by, the outcome of the film doesn't look promising. But who knows? The developers might surprise us and she just might be a bad apple in the bunch.
Do you think they should do a role reversal like a Disney prince who goes on a journey with a female warrior. And with tha journey That prince experience the hardships that his kingdom goes through to keep the peace despite being well meaning but blinded by noblism. And the Warrior learns to be more compassionate and understand outside of combat you can be closer to someone and let your guard down. They both teach other the benifits of theyre perspectives. She teach him how to fight, and he teach her how to be a compassionate leader. (Oh wait that was literally the Princess and the frog.) but the formula can still work.
That sounds like a fun twist on the traditional Disney Prince and Princess formula. Sure, it was done already in Princess and the Frog, but that would definitely be something worth exploring more in future animated movies.
Next video should be about the Disney dads as they don't get the best rep. The dads from alladin beauty and the beast Cinderella 1-3 Mulan and best of all tangled all are very protective of their son or daughter and we can see how their view of protecting their children conflicts with them but they mean well That deserves a whole video as Fredrick's one scene in Tangled was basically perfect in how a father would be broken about losing their child.
Disney dads are great. My favorites are Fergus from Brave, the King from Cinderella, Pongo from 101 Dalmatians, and Triton of course. I think the one outlier dad who sucks is Agnarr from Frozen, but we all have discussed that already
Frozen is an almost perfect movie, and the fix is so obvious. Easy fix for the Frozen's Prince Problem, keep everything the same up until the end. However, at the kiss scene, you make Anna stop the kiss admitting that she doesn't even know him and that she found someone she truly loved while out during her adventures. Then you could go one of two ways with Hans - either he understands and is supportive (unlikely) or he completely flips out feeling betrayed and leaving Anna to her fate and the rest of the movie plays out the same (more likely). Personally, I would have preferred Hans being a "Nice Guy" than a secretly evil twist villain.
@@1992disney Just went to watch it, and it seems we agree that 90% of the issue is that they forced Hans to be a twist villain when it would of made more sense to have Elsa as a sympathetic antagonist. Then again, I do agree that fixer upper is a pretty poor musical score and they definitely needed to have more bonding than what was given in the movie. But just goes to show how one twist villain completely ruins a movie when it could of been one of the best classics.
@@VirtuesOfSin Um, the movie actually has many, many flaws that can't ever be overlooked nor ignored. Hans and Fixer-Upper aren't the only things that suck about Frozen. Also, Elsa should've been the villain instead of some "misunderstood heroine".
I don't understand why you would empower one character and downgrade the other, it's about two stranger that got tangled into a situation and work together to achieving the goal and they fell in love. I just want that warm wholesome story, call it saturated niche but it works for a reason.
You never see Disney prince toys or tshirts, except lion king and maybe Alladin and beauty andthe beast. Not sure how you could market them but maybe couple prince toys with the princess toys (?🤔🤷🏾♂️)
Prince Phillip is the GOAT! When I was a kid, I would always pretend to be Prince Phillip whenever it got to the point where he started fighting Maleficent in her dragon form.
I've always been a fan of Prince Charming from Cinderella. He's respectful of women, wants to marry someone he loves and connects with, loves and treats his family kindly, and is brave, strong, and heroic. The live action version really made his character better while still respecting who he was.
The prince in the Snow White story is not much more than a trope. People give early Disney Princesses a bad rap for having stereotypical female representations. But in these early films, the princesses are often the focus and often have more agency, influence and character development than their male counterparts. The male princes are often simplified and subjugated to being the reward at the end of a morality arch. That’s the extent of their role. If the princess learns or does something important or demonstrates her worth or value, she is rewarded. Believing that many of these stories are from the patriarchy is naive. These stories were often told through folkloric methods, word of mouth, and by women to women. Many of these fairy tales are in fact historically matriarchal, in that they were told by women to teach women certain values of the time. Chastity, kindness, integrity, patience, etc. The message usually comes down to learning some important moral and then being rewarded for it. Usually via a prince or rather marriage, which to those historic times meant security, and security meant happiness to women who at the time had very little autonomy in the culture. I’m pretty sure I don’t need to cite my sources to say that times have changed. Women have a lot more rights and are more highly educated in general (there are still places in the world where that is not the case), also what many of these re-imaginings tell us is that so have the values that we are messaging to other women. How the prince character is treated in the re-imaginings is rather telling as it does send a message or value. In all of them, Cinderella developed the prince from simple reward to equal partner. And there I would agree that out of all the reimaginings, the Cinderella remake is the only one to bring the prince out of his trope role, and by doing is the only one that sends a mature and healthy message about relationships.
Personally I’m not a fan of Flynn Rider or Eugene. He never worked for me, however I respect that he is one of your favorites. I agree with you about the other characters though. I always feel upset when I hear people talk negatively about the Disney princes. It’s very biased and clearly their minds have been corrupted by bad influences. None of these movies would be complete without a prince in my mind. Aladdin and the Beast are fantastic characters and yes I love seeing them develop well as the stories unfold. I appreciate a lot of the different points you brought up here. You should make more videos like this. A discussion on the parents characters would also be interesting. I’m glad Jim Hawkins appeared in this video as well and I agree with the sentiment that he was also a very well written and developed character. Respectfully Eugene is not for me but I respect his fanbase and the message that you saw in his character.
I am honestly a bit surprised Milo from Atlantis wasn't mentioned here. He wasn't a prince from the beginning but married into a Royal Family, much like Eugene. Imo, they both were very, very fleshed out characters. To be fair, I remember when I was a kid - born in Europe where most of these tales come from - I was so anticipating for Disney to reimagine tales like The Swan Princess, or Princess and the Pea. I was sure they're gonna make those, how Disney crumbled down since The Tangled is really sad. I guess these tales will forever stay as a dream from my childhood :(.
The Beast from "Beauty and the Beast" is always going to stand out from other fairytale Princes because, he was the most well written character; that he never really changed much with every version of the story, (Except for some notable versions of the story) that is why he was the only Disney prince character that actually had a 'set' origin story up until 2023's The Little Mermaid with Prince Eric and his story. Technically we do see a 9 year old prince Philip in the beginning of Sleeping Beauty at her christening; So, I guess this makes Prince Phillip the first Disney prince to have an origin story, which would make The Beast the second prince to have an origin story.
I hate how the modern idiots writing Disney live actions and some of the current animated ones (cof, Ralph Breaks the internet burn in hell...cof), absolutely misrepresent how great the Princes were actually in Disney animated films, even the 2 first who I admit are barely real characters, but as you said aren't BAD characters neither and what they represent in the story they work perfectly as the main goal for a happy life and future for those princess in Snow-white and Cinderella, hate how some idiots in the internet and these writers and activist princess that only care about putting bad messages on kids films just try to twist them as outdated and even predatory to girls, when that was never a thing these characters ever did, and these people forget how good after that all princes got, from Sleeping Beauty Prince Phillip, The Little Mermaid Prince Eric, Beauty and the Beast's Beast, Aladdin, to Tangled Eugene, all incredible and memorable characters that earn their place in our hearts as well their Princesses did, this is why I absolutely detest how bad Disney stories have gotten in recent years due politicking instead of TELLING GOOD STORIES with GOOD CHARACTERS...........I truly hope Wish brings all this back, including good princes if they can........but it seems even DISNEY have forgotten that movie exist.....seriously did we weren't supposed to get a TRAILER 2 of WISH at this point? no wonder why they keeping BOMBING if they not even remember make a simple thing as PROMOTE THEIR FILMS.
Honestly, where's the story of brotherhood or family? Where's the male version of Frozen? The latter can focus on romance as well as sisterhood but they actively CHOOSE not to do that.
-Aladdin lied about his entire identity to Jasmine. True deception. Lies. All that. -Prince Naveen was telling the truth the entire time, despite the way he looked or the mistake he made. He had real character development. And Tiana. -The Beast was willing to make a change and protect Belle at the end of the movie. He was so misunderstood and judged because of his appearance. He and Belle both had character development as well. Period.
I wished we got a series about the Princes. Each episode is about one of them, what he is doing after the marriage or when he is alone. Would be interesting to see that with Naveen, Eric, Shang, Kristoff and Adam| Beast. Aladdin already have his show so more focus on him is not necessary, same for Eugene| Flin in Rapunzel's show. Maybe a movie with 2 stories like with Jasmine and Aurora. It's better than nothing 🙂
i guess the prince typially also show, that they look for more in a woman, than just appearance. like heart and kindness, but maybe disney sees traits like those in a girl as unnassesary things.
Nah what people need to understand with charming and the unnamed prince from Snow White is that THE STORY WASN'T ABOUT THEM, is not that they didn't had personality THEY HAD the only thing they didn't had was screentime because guess what the movie was exactly not about them but the story of their girls. They just made participation the unnamed prince had 2 minutes of appearance and charming had 3-4 minutes of appearance until that changed in Cinderella 2 and 3 6:20 THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT
I could create ‘Disney let’s revisit classics’ where we would improve parts which needs to be filled just like how you says . And simply following the source material
I don’t like how woke Disney berated princes from their masculinity. The way these Disney actresses belittle princes is downright narcissistic. The whole point of these fairytales was about the prince rescued a damsel in distress from a tower from a fire breathing dragon or whatever and be the hero. But no, these modern women today are so evil and narcissistic that they think the male protagonist are “stalkers.” May as well the princes saved the evil queens or evil fairies.
I don't know why, but even as a woman, ever since I was little I was always drawn by stories with a strong male protagonist. Or where the female and male protagonist are equally badass together. I was never into the whole "girl power" trope.
The reason the prince in Snow White has minimal personality and screen time he was tough to animate same goes for Prince Charming in Cinderella which is something people don’t get and it really annoys me
Sama juga untuk saya.saya sangat menyampah bila orang mengatakan charming tiada personality dalam original😒😒😒 dan Charming memang mempunyai keperibadian dalam filem asal.
I agree with you.Charming a have personality in original film and that why i hate ppl say Charming no personality LoL. He was the start for the sassy man apocalype disney prince😁😘
I'd actually love to see a video analysising the comic relief characters in Disney movies. So many animations try to emulate them but greatly misunderstand their power as actual characters rather than simply gags. Very often they have as much heart and agency as the main protagonists and develop a fantastic chemistry with them. The Dwarves in Snow White, the Fairy trio in Sleeping Beauty, the animal buddies The Little Mermaid, the ornament servants in Beauty and the Beast, it's so hard to imagine those films without them. Not even the live action remakes could omit them for 'realism's' sake.
Prince Charming in Snow White was actually a grim reaper, like in the show Dead Like Me. He takes her soul when they first me and only returns when she's ready to go to her lights.😄
Nah, that’s an amazing, hypothetical plot twist, the idea of Snow White falling in love with the grim reaper is either EPIC or a little weird if you think about it for a minute or two.
I like the Frozen theory that the trolls Kristoff lived with cursed Hans to become the villain since they wanted to have Ana fall in love with Kristoff but had to "get rid of the fiancee".
How would they be able to curse him? He never met them, they didn’t have a location in common and the trolls last met Anna when she was a young kid, their main concern the risk Elsa posed her. There are hints as early as Love is an Open Door that Hans is mirroring Anna, presenting himself as he believes she will be receptive to. When he sings the line “finish each other’s…” he’s no doubt expecting Anna to finish with “sentences” but goes along with “sandwiches” instead.
Great video. You made so many good points as you did with your video about Disney princesses. There's a lot more to them than meets the eye. It's sad to see Disney being devalued nowadays for what makes it popular though.
True. And he runs from his role because he felt so guilty about what happened to Mufasa, but learns to accept the past and return to Pride Rock to earn his place on the throne.
Why does Disney have us wait till the Tangled Movie's spin-off series for us to find out that Eugene Flynn Ryder Fitzherbert was born a Prince? It is like the "Blip" Ending of "Space Balls" when we find out that Lone Star was an Orphaned prince all along.
11:55 Disney didn't add any extra layers to the Beast character, the Beast was already a complex and layered character in the original French fairy tale.
For me it's Eric. Not because I found him attractive, but he was also the first Disney prince to have an actual personality, especially when he was searching for the right girl to fall in love with, not because his kingdom told him to marry some princess by force. Of course, Rob Marshall and his team had to screw him up in the live-action remake because they claimed they would make him better. But it wasn't.
You can tell by the body language of the subjects and shipmates that he went freely among them without fear or need of security. Showing a lack of elitism that is also attractive
10:20 “⚫️I was just vibing at wires when I felt something straaaaaange…” If you understand where I’m getting this from and how it connects to the music in this clip, then you are a true legend 😎
Thinking about Frozen now I'll bet the Prince Hans/Anna situation struck a nerve with a lot of people who got involved with things that they thought would be great but turned out otherwise
it struck a nerve with me because it basically shat all over Tangled, which released only two years earlier. Tangled did such a great job of slowly and naturally building up a realistic connection between the male and female lead, and then Frozen is like "Hey ladies, don't try to connect with men, they're evil and you're naive - except if a bunch of trolls coerce you into dating someone, then it's okay because that means they guy isn't evil" Like I get that it was a "subversion" of the Disney romances, but it was just so poorly executed and ended up sending a sloppy message about romance and connection that honestly made no sense.
It angered me not because I found it relatable, but because I was expecting well-rounded characters and quality storytelling and received garbage instead. Hans became my favorite in the movie for everything he did up until the heel-face turn, and both he and the other characters could've been so good. Hans didn't betray me, the writers did. The audience deserved better.
12:31 “⚫️I was just vibing at wires when I heard a scream, and you know its bad when you hear a scream over coms, because were only permitted, to speak during meetings…” If you understand where I’m getting this from and how it connects to the music in this clip, then you are a true legend 😎
You should really do a whole video about the introduction of Aladdin via One Jump Ahead and its reprise and how it works to establish Aladdin as a character. It's just reference quality character exposition, and the remake trashed it.
I want to add another thing about prince Naveen. Everyone rightfully credits Tiana with teaching him about hard work and responsibility, which is important. But I would also argue that he helps Tiana and teaches her the value of letting loose and having fun. At the start of the movie, we literally see her turning down an opportunity to go out with friends so she can work more and even at the party she’s not participating she’s working. It’s not until she meets Naveen when they’re frogs that we see her let loose for the first time in joining him in the dance. By the end of the movie we see her more comfortable and open with her emotions when she tells him she loves him, and realizing that her one singular goal was not the end all be all. She even ends the movie having fun in her restaurant in dancing with Naveen. I just always love them as a couple because I feel like it was the first time we’re both people had something to contribute to the relationship and was able to bring out a new trait in each other that they previously hadn’t known they had.
Yeah they both benefited from one another and Naveen helped Tiana cut loose a bit Heck everyone knew she had a problem of always working harder. The moment she actually slowed down didn't rush to the end goal they ended up finding the solution.
Track record of understanding & effectively executing the creation of likeable characters was an earned part of their reputation. And integral for media aimed at families & children. Lost it now. RIP Walt. We await the successor that will pick up the torch.
I think it would have worked better if Hans wasn't reviled to be evil but duty bound as a leader to a fault. It would have worked if Hans actually *did* kiss her only for nothing to happen. Yes it's still reviled that he was only interested in Anna for a chance at the throne but without the malice and possibly holding the idea that in time he'd grow genuine feelings for her but at this time they still only just met for him to feel truly attracted yet. He could still leave her in the locked room (without putting the fire out) to find Elsa and "end winter" out of duty to save both Arindel and the princess. He could have told Elsa the truth about Anna's condition in which (without either knowing a better way to fix things at the time) Elsa agrees to sacrifice herself to his blade to end the winter and potentially save her sister, And basically the movie continues mostly unchanged from there. The new intent behind Hans's actions make it a much better twist in my opinion, making him more of a grey area character rather than a mustache twirling villain.
I've always wanted a Disney Princes franchise like Disney has for the Princesses. Prince Adam (Beast) will always be my favorite of the line-up and a character I've always connected with.
This is a very unpopular opinion, but here. I feel John Smith from Pocahontas is one of the most overhated and overlooked princes. I understand and know why a lot of people don’t like his character, especially when you consider he does start out as a bit of a jerk at first, especially when he calls Pocahontas’s people savages. I completely agree that it’s very infuriating to see him act that way, but I feel everyone forgets how much he changed, including willing to die for Pocahontas’s dad to prevent the war. After the Colors of the Wind song, he tries convincing his comrades the natives are friendly and war is wrong. He even gets into a fight with his boss over the war. I also really love how he really wants to learn more about Pocahontas’s culture, even freaking out from a talking tree at first, but then rolls with it because he understands how much this means to Pocahontas. Later on, he not only takes the blame for Thomas, he even sings a very special song I feel is beyond underrated. If I Never Knew You. I really love this song and its my favorite aside I See the Light. It really shows how much John has matured as a person from an arrogant captain to a man who’d die in a heartbeat for Pocahontas. He is the one who’s about to die in a few hours, but he is the one comforting and being there for Pocahontas, not the other way around. He’s already made peace with his fate, and just wants to let her know how much she means to him and can’t imagine living a life without her. Fast forward to him saving her dad’s life. I think a lot of people forget her dad hated him so much for killing his best warrior who was supposed to marry his daughter. But John doesn’t hesitate for a moment to forgive him by saving his life, fully expecting the bullet to kill him instantly. Fast forward again, when they’re about to leave for London, after Pocahontas declines his offer to come with him, he was so willing to die in her land. HE DOES NOT TRY TO CONVINCE HER TO LEAVE HER PEOPLE FOR HIM. He even begs her to let him stay at her side! But he lets go of her because he loves her, respecting her wishes for him to return and hopefully get better. Heck, his final act in the movie is literally doing the one thing he never does up until this point, saying goodbye, specifically in her language. When she taught him greetings, he wouldn’t let her finish the motion for goodbye, indicating how he kinda feels about her. Overall, I understand why not a lot of people like John Smith, but I don’t understand why everyone hates him because he’s a bit arrogant at first and forget he almost dies in the movie. But have the nerve to like Beast, despite he f*cking roared at Belle several times until she finally snapped at him. My other favorite prince is Flynn Rider. I do agree with everything you said about him. I think my favorite thing about him is mainly his humor but how he does come to deeply care about Rapunzel and even actually dies to save her from someone he could tell didn’t actually love her. Plus I feel the part he brings her to her parents, a lot of people forget the king was literally after his head for so many crimes, including stealing the princess’s crown (the only thing they had of their daughter before this day) But the king doesn’t arrest him, instead Flynn is welcomed and shown gratitude by her parents, including having his past crimes pardoned. I really agree with your opinion about Kristoff. Tbh I don’t really like Frozen and find it so overrated. The main problem I have with him is he’s kinda a pointless character in the story. Literally, his only purpose is to show Anna not ending up with the first guy she meets. We don’t even have any backstory to how he met Sven, why he was apparently abandoned at the beginning of the movie, or he mentions he doesn’t trust other people. It’s never explained to why he doesn’t trust others aside his petty disagreement with Okin the shopkeeper. I’d like some backstory, maybe he was left in the cold by his parents or something, a Princess Mononoke situation? Otherwise his relationship with Anna imo is really underdeveloped. I find the most laughable moments is when he calls the trolls “love experts” but they literally have the same childish mentality as Anna, trying to marry them right there while Anna is freezing to death in front of them
I'm gonna be real and say people hate John Smith and Pocahontas the movie because it SEVERELY misrepresents the actual historical figures it based on a romanticizes the HISTORICAL story of a 14 year old Indigenous girl with a much older white colonial man.
Your points about John Smith are valid, but at the end of the day I just think their romance was forced. It makes sense that he fell in love with Pocahontas, but the movie gave us no good reason for Pocahontas to fall in love with him. Like, he literally walks up to her, they talk for a second about his unempathetic view of nature, then she sings him a song and by the end she's embracing him. I get that "Colors of the Wind" was meant to be a courting montage of sorts, but it just didn't really work since the montage was all about him learning about HER and not the other way around.
Ditto on Kristoff, even Hans is more interesting than him. Frozen, at the _very_ least, needed more time to cook. So many things in that movie are half-measured at best.
@@AnimaVox_ Frozen was the beginning of Disney's descent into letting misinformed executives meddle too much in the creative process. The people who wanted to tell the story of Ana and Elsa's relationship are CLEARLY not the same people who wanted to tell the story of "Kristoff the boyfriend" or "Olaf the toy salesman." The final product of Frozen is basically 2 or 3 entirely different movies that Disney tried to cram together to make all involved parties happy, and it just ended up a mess. I still cannot understand how anyone actually likes this movie. The characters are very weak and the writing is condescending to the viewer.
Prince Charming was never supposed to be exciting. The princess was always supposed to be the exciting main character, even before they made movies about them.
Aladdin is not the only prince with his own movie if we take the term prince loosely we can include: Simba, Hercules, Jim Hawkins, Maybe Jack Skellington and Jack Sparrow to name a few. Also, the term prince is loose as Mulan is not a princess but considered among them.
After talking about Dreamworks and Disney so much, can you please a video on Sony animation as a whole following the fanfare of the spider-verse franchise?
Why not make an animated aspect for the Prince from Snow White? The entire 365 days of him looking for her and him slowly falling in love with her as he looks for her and learns more about her through his journey. There. Nice cash grab for you Disney. I’ve done the work for you.
If I remember well the princes have no striking song to sing. Ariel sings the heartbreaking "Part of your world" (it is to me so because the lyrics touchs me). Cinderella sings "Someday my prince will come".
I’m not sure if he watched that musical you’re referring to here, I think it’s the one where jasmine turned out to be jafar’s daughter and Aladdin was actually just a con artist who rewrote the story into Disney’s version instead.
I’m so glad someone finally gave the Disney Princes some love and recognition. It’s disappointing that Disney is trying to make their movies feminist by putting the Princesses as the hero’s. Obviously it’s not bad to have female hero’s but they don’t understand that they are ruining and undermining the value the older movies gave to these brave princes.
