Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 equals 4. Theism is the freedom to say that 2+2 equals 4, and sometimes it equals 5. Theism is doublethink and doublespeak quackspeak doubleplus ungood.
@Clyde Barrow so, you're a semantic jackass who cares more about the word, than the meaning the person puts on it? Because you can't say he's lying about his position, which he does clearly state as "reject the proposition. "
Yes, or anyway the kind of confused or dishonest thinking that goes well with religion. But evidently this is as far as we've come, for whatever evolutionary reason. And we don't have a single other example, much less an experimental control group, of a species that became rational more quickly, for comparison. So, in fact, we don't know if we'd be better off or worse off if human evolution had favored rationality earlier than it did. We don't know if we'd be ahead technologically (it's plausible but by no means certain) or living in the ruins of a global nuclear war, or running little organic family farms, or something else entirely. We just don't know. My view is, what's the big hurry? Just, as a first priority, try not to do anything really stupid or selfish while trying to survive and be happy. Second, if you can think of any good ideas, share them. Maybe even make a decent living from good ideas and careful work. Leave the place better than when you arrived, if you can. I don't see how magical thinking can possibly help with any of the foregoing. On the other hand, some otherwise very good people seem unable to let go of a certain amount of magical thinking. And if they hold back technology for a thousand years, well, too bad, but the planet is four billion years old. It's not that big a deal.
@@Bardineer. Ok, I suppose you could take a look at Japan, a mostly atheist country, and see how even after two nukes got dropped on them, they managed to become one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world. Now of course, those merits could be credited because Japan is just an astounding country, but the fact that there’s barely any religious ideals and litigation does lend a hand to the prosperity of the nation. Also, yes, it’s a claim, but an opinionated one that I threw out there because why the fuck not? It’s a RU-vid comment section. So don’t be one of those “I gotta have a cited source for every claim anyone ever makes ever because it makes me look like the smart one in the conversation” guy.
@@SuperHuscarl Even if this were absolutely true, by what objectively verifiable means could one possibly _know_ this to be the case. Just because someone states that he believes in some god doesn't make it so. People lie. For all we know, there could be scores of self-identifying religious folk who don't actually believe in any god at all and who _are_ atheists (and vice-versa). Japan's population could very well be comprised of people who _do_ believe in some deity but self-identify as atheist. We have no way of knowing one way or the other. I understand what you're going for here, but it ultimately claims to know the unknowable. Your argument also discounts scientific breakthroughs that can be attributed to those who are/were theists and the fact that most of the early universities were started by churches.
Ask him why God saved that lady through prayer, but not all the kids in the child cancer wards everywhere, whom probably have more people praying for them
Ah, but he WASN'T praying for that woman to be healed. According to the caller's story, he was just looking for a sign. Pretty lucky for that lady, then; that she just happened to be in the right place and time to serve as a neat little lesson for this random guy.
Are these callers allowed to vote? I agree with the caller: I prayed and both my legs, arms, and head grew back. Prayer works. I also prayed for bread, and I went to the supermarket and low and behold... I bought me some bread.
It's funny that theists will discount every other god using exactly the same reasoning that atheists use to discount their particular God or gods... and still can't understand why atheists don't believe in their God or gods...
@@hegyak I know all the "gods" written of in human literature are imaginary. I CAN prove they are imaginary, to exactly the same degree, that I can prove that fire breathing dragons, pixies, elves, elephants that can fly by flapping their ears are imaginary. The infitismal possibility that these things MIGHT exist somewhere is an abstract, imaginary irrelevant, technicality. They will remain so until someone can produce a testable and examinable example of one of them. I don't really think engaging directly, with the superstionist, realityphobic channel trolls, achieves much, as they don't listen and are reasonophobic in any case, so I put the point I wanted to make on a reply to your post. I don't want to feed their egos
@@AndyCampbellMusic The best way to deal with these trolls is with a short and snappy bullet list; such as this example: Bald statement FAILS: ✅✅✅ Strawman argument FAILS: ✅✅ Argumentum ad populum FAILS: ✅ It hurts their pride when they expect a conversation but they only get a cursory assessment!
@@Blazingbiskit We change when facts and evidence warrant change. That's the thing! These theists they never change no matter how much evidence and logic is presented.
They can't listen to atheists. They talk on and on about spreading the Gospel but they don't care if anyone listens. I think that is by design. It is not an accident. They basically spend their life on a fools errand, thinking God will reward them for it.
@@Fullyautomagic That is something that they don't talk about much. I am 52, I have heard a lot of arguments for God. I will most likely remain unconvinced. But you find a 5 year old, you can make them believe just about anything.
@@historicstudios2708 Maybe it was God's plan. He released them from suffering whether if it was in death or healing. We should stop looking at death as a bad thing
I'm definitely a hard Athiest and have been fir nearly 70yrs. My bottom line is this. I don't care whether a 🤮god🤮 exists or not, ANY of them, as I find all religions to be extremely repulsive and that Absolutely includes buddhism as well. I don't bow down to VICIOUS MANIACS and that's Exactly what those gods would be if they actually existed. Truth is we already have enough real life maniacs to contend without inventing more imaginary ones and the ONLY reason that religions have lasted so long and flourished as they have is because bad people use them as a source of power to wield over people to keep control of them and control of their pocketbooks and take their lands. Religion is just a scam and we all SUFFER for it😑
Every morning I’m an atheist - before my 1st coffee. After my 1st I’m a Mormon. It’s not until my 2nd coffee restoring my senses that I’m restored to the Truth of the catholic faith.
Well the dishonest or critical thinking-stunted theists. The honestly seeking theists like would-be preacher Matt are the type of theists that will hopefully see the error of their ways.
I'm personally fine with "personal revelation." As long as we can't share someones memories, I've no way to distinguish a personal revelation from someone just having a hallucination (for example). But we all know most Christians a) don't believe out of personal revelation and b) don't hold the position of "you do you, I get why you don't believe. call me when you've got your personal revelation, then we can sing Kumbayah to our Lord."
@@cy-one And even if we found a way to share memories, we already know our memory is not a reliable. It loses things, makes other things up, changes each time we try to remember, so I don't think even that would help. I guess emotions could be conveyed in such way, but that wouldn't be helpful to the problem at hand
Indeed - you could blithely assert your unverified speculation (I.e “no evidence for god”) a million more times and it would be perfectly valid for a theist to reject your claim, because your assertion has miserably failed, to even remotely satisfy your burden of proof obligation. Hence why I don’t have enough blind faith to be a defiantly faithful atheist.
@@laurenferris2223 And yet he does nothing about it. It is only the atheists that call these con-artists con-artists. If I thought for one moment Christianity were real, I would spend my time protecting it. Instead all I see are excuse makers and silence.
If wavering Christian asks God in prayer for a sign and a voice from above tells him "I'm here for you my beloved son", how does he know it's not Satan talking?
As a Atheist I hope the god and heaven thing is true ,I’d love to think that when I die I will be able to see my father again. Sadly there is 0 evidence to convince me that is the case .
I have a family member who died. He described it as being drawn towards this light. The light was so captivating you couldn't help but go towards it. As he got closer a voice came from that light and said 'you're not ready yet.' Then he woke up in his hospital bed. To me that is enough evidence
@@fcarter3863 Then you have a low standard of evidence, especially for the most important belief one can have. First of all, the person didn't die. If he had, he'd still be dead. Second, there are plenty of people who experienced near death, and haven't had the whole "drawn to the light" experience. And it seems that in many of these experiences, Jesus believers see Jesus, Allah believers see Allah, and so on for every religious belief system. What would that tell us? That the brain is still functioning on some level and presenting to the person what they already believe. It is known that a dying brain releases all kinds of chemicals that can induce hallucinations of all sorts. You know what would be alot more convincing? Someone who didn't get near death but actually died. Their body began to rot. Then a couple of weeks later they came back to life. That's a story I'd want to hear.
@@abc456f You do know God and Allah are the same? People have different names in different cultures. The near death experiences are personal accounts I seen or heard myself from people I know. The family member who nearly died in the car accident described it in detail. He was in the spiritual realm. He gravitated towards a light. A voice came from that light and said he's not ready. The bible describes Jesus as a light in spirit form. He then woke up and found out he killed 2 ppl in a car accident. He changed his life after that and he thanks God every day for giving him another chance to make things right. Does that mean his life is perfect and doesn't have hardships? No. What it means is something happened to him in that moment that no science can describe. That convo he had with that voice from the light compelled him to change his life. I had an uncle who was a nonbeliever that passed from a brain tumor. Was unconscious for months but suddenly woke up for a few moments. He was in fear and told my aunt(wife) he was somewhere dark and it was hot(the bible describes hell as this). She told him to give his life to God. We do not know if he did or not. You see the near death experience of the believer and nonbeliever are totally different. Everything the bible revealed thousands of years ago about this world today is coming true before our eyes. Yall keep relying on worldly contraptions when there is a spiritual warfare going on. Best believe when the prophecy is fulfilled you will be on one side or the other. Your spirit will either live or die eternally in the afterlife. Science, man-made laws, or begging will not save you when it's too late.
@Clyde Barrow Clied lied. Absence of Evidence is Evidence of Absence. There's a fire-breathing dragon in the backseat of my car. What? No evidence? Well, who made YOU the arbiter of evidence? Who qualified you to make your claims of NO evidence? All the evidence you need is in this book. Anecdotal evidence ad populum is my evidence! You clowns are ridiculous! I don't have to prove my claims, I have special pleading on my side!
@Clyde Barrow literally every single one of those topics has been discussed about ad nauseam, and all of them have not pointed in the direction to any deity or god, or the arguments by default are fallacious.
@Clyde Barrow Where evidence is defined as a body of facts, and where a fact is defined as an objectively verifiable point of data, anyone can say there's no evidence for any supernatural claims. Saying something objectively true doesn't need any "arbiting".
I did experience a tragic loss prior to recognizing I had no good reason to believe in a god, & it's not because I blamed a god - I blamed myself. I had blamed myself for my sister's suicide. It took a few months of guilt tripping myself to realize that was ridiculous, especially since I was asleep & unaware of her plan to do it that night. I have worked through my grief since then, so I'm fortunately far from shell-shocked as I had been at the time. Having overcome that hurdle I started to rethink other nonsense, included a few ingrained ones. I had recognized that overthinking irrelevant embarrassing memories of my past was really pointless, & that a big source of my anxiety was attempting to conform to unrealistic expectations I had placed on myself from others. After that belief in god came up. It was something I hadn't thought about before, as it was just a minor impersonal belief, so I simply disregarded it as a superstition. This did make me curious about what others had to say about the topic, & YT videos among other sources helped me realize how much of a bigger deal the belief is to others worldwide & why that may be. It made me dumbfounded what nonsense some theists would say to justify their deity's existence, & the countless atrocities many have committed due in part because of these packaged ideas taken way too far.
The notion that trauma is a perfectly valid reason to drop religion is definitely underrated. I am glad it is getting a lot more recognition as of late though. While I personally didn’t have anything to the magnitude of what you had happen to you, unfortunate events in my own life helped spur my doubts. For starters, while I was growing into adulthood, my parents’ issues they tried to keep under wraps started to boil over. This in conjunction with being exposed to new ideas and going through a rough relationship with my girlfriend at the time. Having been unceremoniously dumped and all the bad things that came out afterwards really helped open my eyes that people often don’t have your best interests in mind. My parents complete lack of communication skills also helped really illustrate that parents are never infallible, and to question everything. After all, what would it have to lose if it’s true? As I began to explore even my most dearly held beliefs, I realized most of what I was told about science, politics, and religion was complete bullshit. At 15 years of age, I was a creationist, hard right Republican, nondenominational Christian. Now I’m a a skeptical, center left atheist, and I’ve never been happier. I wish you the best and I do apologize for how long this message is. Keep up the good fight and may your tomorrows always be brighter than the things you’ve had to endure. ❤️
The desperation and sadness and almost child-like hurt these people have for those who don't enable their superstitions and lack of reason is painful to listen to. It crushes them to their core that their childhood brainwashing is called into doubt and they are begging people to support them in the absence of any reason to. Danny's lost life to this horrific manipulation is brutal to listen to
Wrong topic I know but I'd just like to throw this out there if I may. Question for Texas (and others) christians banning books. If a book had a story about two sisters who got their father drunk so he would have sex with them, which he did. Would that book also be on the burn list? Of course I'm referring to Lot's daughters in the old testament. Just curious. Glory 😇.
Some people lie just because it gives them a rush, or they get some level of attention for it. It's not always for some big obvious gain. I shake my head when people say "but why would they lie?" As if people only lie for monetary reasons or something like that.
Ok Danny. Follow me on this one. IF this woman had as you say "54" tumours and she was healed because of god. WHY would she bring her x-rays with her to church?! Why not go with that doctor on national television or science boards with the "evidence?" Nah "I´ll just carry the x-rays with me....to church"
Well, that's just silly, Mr. Jee. If she did that, scientists might've been able to study her case and figured out a way to save countless other cancer patients. Don't you see? This woman's miraculous recovery was just to help convince guys like Danny that god is definitely, totally real. Whatever made you think any of this had anything to do with helping people!
@@jesperjee; Not to worry, dear Mr. Jee! I'm sure she genuinely wished to convince people that a true miracle had occurred.... as she was no doubt genuinely willing to accept any positive attention and/or profit which would come her way because of it.
One of the biggest ways to sus out all claims of the supernatural is to ask “has the military used this effectively/ are they using it?” Imagine how much you could save on money, resources, and weight if soldiers didn’t have to lug a first aid kit around! They could just come over to their friend who’s been mortally wounded/ KIA and just bring them back to life.
With these people, why is it that hitting rock bottom and coming to Jesus is OK, but hitting rock bottom, finding nobody there to help you, and saving yourself whilst giving up on your imaginary friend is supposedly bad?
They let it go on too long. He said when the lady got better, he believed it was god. That right there was the end of it. He chose to believe based on feelings, not for any data. He was one of those who you cannot reach, they're so thoroughly mired in Dunning-Kruger ignorance.
1915, Florida. Curtis JN-4 I once had a poster of this with "Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous, but to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity, or neglect."
If anybody sees Danny, could they tell him I've got some magic beans for sale. They're only fifty dollars for a pack of six, and if you plant them they'll grow into magic money trees that produce fifty dollar biills all year round.
Your magic $50 dollar bill tree beans are inferior to MY magic $60 dollar bill tree beans! Call ME, Danny! Take it on faith! Don't listen to this heretic!
Something can happen but how do you go about providing it is your particular God and not some other god from another religion? Maybe it just happened for no reason.
To Danny: Why does God love certain people more than others? IE, he heals certain people but does not heal others. Why? If it is a miracle, why does he only do it for certain people, but not everyone?
@@ministryofarguments5257 Something, that doesn't has observable effects, just shouldnt be considered as "existing". Because...why should I? If you dont need something to explain anything, get rid of it.
@@ministryofarguments5257 Well the question you are asking is ill-formed. You can't disprove an unfalsifiable proposition. You can only recognize when the burden of proof has not been met, and thus, can not rationally be believed in. One can not scientifically investigate something that does not appear to manifest in reality in any kind of detectable way. I also wouldn't use faith as the reason for belief absent evidence for any proposition, including a God, as faith is not a reliable pathway to the truth of a claim. Use null hypothesis; The default position is to not believe until there is sufficient evidence to warrant belief. It seems like Colonel Runaway deleted his fallacious comments.
Right? The same god that justified owning other human beings now cures the headaches of the descendants of those human beings. What a trade off. Helsinki syndrome
Some of the best mental faceplants (brainplants?) I've seen are when Christians try to missionize. They often overreach on their punches and receive a pummeling counter.
My favourite face plants, are seeing defiantly faithful and foolishly smug atheists, over-reach, by rabidly flailing away - with the use of absurdly fallacious tropes about Christianity. Hence I personally don’t have enough foolishly blind faith- to be an atheist.
Danny doesn't need to go and take a nap or a pill, rather he needs to go and take a reality check. It is so sad to see gullible people hooked by charlatans. Surely we can pass a law that acts against clergy and others who take advantage of mentally vulnerable people.
There is a difference between not believing in a god, and believing there is no god. Asserting the latter is like saying that Starkist wants tuna with *good taste. *sorry, Charlie!
"There is a difference between not believing in a god, and believing there is no god." That is a claim. Claims require evidence to support them. I would like to see some empirical evidence of this asserted distinction.
@@Bardineer If you can't tell the difference between a fact claim and a comment on semantics, then you're going to need extra help with your homework this school year.
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT Cute. If there are two subjects...one who says that he only "lacks" a belief in god(s) and another who says that he actively believes that *no* god(s) exist, by _what_ objectively demonstrable, independently verifiable, consistently testable, repeatable, measurable, and credible scientific evidence might the two be differentiated from one another? What exactly _is_ this claimed, and how can we objectively substantiate it? distinction
I have as much proof that YHWH/Allah does not exist as I have that leprechauns don't exist. I can't show you my research on the question of the existence of the Fae; I didn't check under any hills or near all the toadstool rings. I didn't check both ends of each rainbow to satisfy myself to make this definitive statement about the non-existence of leprechauns. Some might think my method is incomplete or flawed and that there still might be some fairy folk out there. Is it a more rational position to just be a believer in the Daoine Sidhe, or should we all just be agnostic about leprechauns until better data comes in? You must feel that we shouldn't dismiss all tales from any direction about anything, if there's no ready way to prove it's false. Are you agnostic about Mohammed riding a winged horse with a human face, up to the Moon? Prove that it didn't happen, or you're making an unfounded assumption if you say it's just a silly old story. All fairy tales matter. "I Am That I Am" of the burning bush doesn't get any special credence.
@@JFrazer4303 Fortunately, for me, I haven't claimed that ANY deity exists; and more importantly, even if I had, one person's inability to provide evidence for his claim does not absolve someone else of _his own_ claim. As such, I still await evidence to substantiate the claimed distinction between an absence of belief in god(s) and an active belief in the NONexistence of god(s). 🤷🏻♂️ The _claimed_ (but heretofore unsubstantiated) distinction between "nonbelief" in p and belief in the opposite of p doesn't get any special credence, _either._ To be sure, _I_ don't accept the proposed existence of a genuinely distinct neurological state of "nonbelief" *for the exact same reason* that _you_ don't accept.the proposed existence of a deity: there is no evidence.
It was a tragic event that turned me from God. That event was the Aberfan disaster. I have my own view of God's part in that event and that is that there is no God or at least the God of the bible certainly doesn't exist as no so called 'loving' God would allow or cause such a thing to happen.
Why do I no longer believe in god? Organized religion is why. Organized religion is proof to me that there is no god. If there was a god we would not need organized religion to SAY there is a god.
@@Bardineer “theism doesn’t equate to religion.” Theism: *belief in the existence of a god* or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures. Religion: *belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal god* or gods. So, surprise…it actually does.
Matt should have asked Danny if he was choking on some food would he rather have someone pray for him or do the heimlich manoeuvre? If you don't answer with the latter I think one is being extremely dishonest.
Christians don't entertain subtlety (such as atheism vs. antitheism) unless they're explaining how Jesus is God, but he prays, "My God, why has thou forsaken me?" Or how Jesus is God, but he's also the SON of God.
Sometimes Matt can be an asshole but him cutting the call at the end i completely understand and agree with. Matt asked the caller 3 times a proposition question and the only answer he got back was a statement. Deary me
I think the issue the call highlights is the conflict between logical thinking and emotional parts of our brains. There is a reason why in Star Trek, Vulcans, who are an alien species that strive to think and act logically in all aspects of their lives, reject emotion. Emotions cloud our judgment and our ability to think rationally. Similarly, with this caller, his belief in the existence of God is rooted in emotional baggage. That’s why he shut down at the end of the call and would not honestly answer Matt’s question.
Amazing how special Danny feels that he believes in so many things yet has no answers. No question If there is a God he is laughing at Danny saying " OMG he is buying what I am selling".
I have never claimed, with certainty, that God does not exist. But I see zero evidence or reason to believe that one _does_ exist, so I do not believe in one. The burden of proof lies with the religious. I do not need to disprove something which has never even been proved.
Everyone start praying for my allergies to go away, it might go away tomorrow or 10 seconds before I die but with your prayers I can sniff flowers and hug cats again
Listening to Danny made me remember the OJ Simpson trial where Johney Cocrine said that "saying that someone sounds 'black' is racist". I never understood that Statement. Saying someone sounds Irish or English or French or southern doesn't mean that you are anti-Ireland, anti-English, anti-French or anti southern. It's just a description of an accent. I would put $1,000 that Danny is black. And I would get no takers on that bet. Yet someone one will get offended that I wrote this.
100% sure. The way he talks describes it, although it doesnt matter. Just shows that the lots of called "black" people also indoctrinated. By the way, "white" people aren't white at all. There is no such thing as white. Stupid terms.
@@jdtown6585 It isn't. It just made me think of it because we could not see him. Yet we all know he is black by the way he speaks. And like I said, it just made my mind hearken back to the rants that we heard in the OJ Simpson trial. That's all. I have been wrong about that though. There is a great song by Marc Broussard called "home" that I thought was sung an old black blues guy, but it turned out to be a young white dude.
