nice video, I agree. I believe another major reason for shooting in Australia is because George is Australian and that is what he always intended. Even with Fury Road Australia was the first choice but due to environmental factors (an apparently heavy storm that made the dunes very vibrant) they eventually had to shoot in Namibia. From my understanding.
CGI or not this film was epic, especially in the cinema with Atmos. Let's say that the atmosphere and the action scenes reigned supreme. I didn't find the CGI truly obscene on the levels of The Flash for example.
@@carlossanz1062 in a vacuum, comparing to today standards the movie looks great, but we have fury road, which looks WAY better and has less of that cgi look this movie has.
I find it weird that so many people are obsessed with "how bad it looks" because it didn't bother me at all when I saw it. Probably that "expectation vs reality" factor you talked about I guess. Also, another reason why quite a few movies have been shot in Australia lately is because of huge tax cuts.
The problem is not CGI. The problem is color grading. The colorists in that movie seems to have 0 idea on how to color match the CGI and the environment. Which is what ACTUALLY contribute to fakeness or obvious CGI. If the colorists are actually competent, then this problem wouldn't happened. Just so people can understand, color grading/matching CGI is actually way easier than real subjects filmed by camera. This is because camera has different codecs to work with and different color science. CGI however, is usually coded in 16 bit EXR with ACE color space to ensure uniformities. 16 bit EXR is significantly easier to grade than something like 10 bit log file or 12 bit ProRes RAW. Plus ACE color space was developed exactly for ease of color grading/matching. So yeah, the fault is on the colorists.
I thought I was the only one. Furiosa really has bad color grading. It looks dull in color compared to Fury Road, like someone smeared Vaseline over it.
The cinematographer who worked on every single mad max movie for decades also quit on this one and they had to replace him - the entire aesthetic was always going to be completely different
@@asterion2499 I saw a comparison of the trailers and the final scenes and the trailer looked much more Fury Road, more saturated and bright. I will never understand why they decided to darken everything.
First, its not just a few colorists, its a whole professional team of dedicated artists, sometimes from multiple studios. Its not their fault. Its the fault from the rich guys in suits who want the movie looking like how they want it. The color artist have nothing to say, but just do what they are told to do so dont blame them....and colorgrading/matching is really hard to do if it has to look real. Matching the colors of shadows and reflections and digital FX like particle sims form multiple film layers? good luck man...try getting that right in the short amount of time artists gets. You think to simple of it.
It’s always the lighting. You can make even mediocre CGI look great and dramatically more realistic if you nail the lighting. The vast majority of people had no idea that most of the jets in Top Gun: Maverick are CGI because they used real reference footage in the same light as the live action footage.
Agreed but plently of 35mm movies achieve a perfect look - Alien, The New World, A Beautiful Mind, Munich, The Wolf of Wall Street, Kingdom of Heaven, Intolerable Cruelty, Horseman on the Roof, A Walk in the Clouds, Eastern Promises, The Hunger, House of Flying Daggers, Chocolat, T2, Cliffhanger, Seven, Pan's Labyrinth, Midnight in Paris, Hostiles, Casino Royale, Amelie, Cinderella Man, Heat, The Island, Minority Report, Titanic, The American, Blade, Malena, Signs, The Bikeriders, Batman Begins, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Gladiator, Lawrence of Arabia, Challengers, Road to Perdition, Inception, No Time to Die, Black Rain and LOTR.
It 's not just what u explained, even the movements of people in this movie look wrong in action sequence as if the movie was speeded to ×1.5 , watch again it's a bit rushed , definitely not natural .
idk, I think it's mostly just very stylized. yeah, there was some dodgy CGI in Furiosa... but there was also dodgy CGI in Fury Road. Go watch the beginning again when Max is trying to escape the Citadel. That was as bad or worse than the worst CGI in Furiosa. I think people nitpick too much. Was the CGI perfect? No, obviously not, but it seems like y'all want to talk about every aspect of a movie EXCEPT for most important part which is "did you have a good experience in the theater?" because thats all that matters. Were you moved or inspired or in awe of what you experienced? Were you excited or scared or sad or surprised or on the edge of your seat? Thats the magic of film. Not "as you can see the composited a rock in the bottom left frame of that scene. thats bad storytelling."
No the difference is real car crash vs no cars at all , it was all rendered... there's no point in mad max movies if you aren't gonna blow up real cars
And the answer is no , I would have enjoyed the movie BUT the shitty cgi ruined it for me , we all watched mad max because it was real cars exploding and crashing , real stuntman flying , real motorcycles getting crushed inches away from real people by a real semi trailer , because none of those things where in the movie it was ruined , like non alcoholic beer... there's no point
@@Cold_Cactus woah woah woah, ... you know they still did the practical stunts... right? Go watch the WB behind the scenes video. They still did the pre tidal stuff. The stunts, the crashes, the fstuff with the Mortifies in the air attacking the war rig. they made all the vehicles for real; hundreds of them. It's just the environments that were partially CG and I'll agree with you that they do look more CG than Fury Road for some reason but I assure you they're still real
@@IAmSarlosCantana How right, and yes, it wasn't Fury Road but it was still great and I wish I could have seen it in the theater. It's amazing to see how George still strives to keep it as real as possible even with the security limitations.
The movie is alright but the subpar compositing of CG assets and real footage takes away from the immersion and realism Not enough budget was spent on the CG composting and that brings the movie down
I think part of the reason why this movie looks weird is cuz of the color grading they used. Like the scene of the War Rig crashing down the brick tower in The Bullet Farm looks fake in the movie but was shot practically and a lot more scene were also shot with practical effects, the colors are so bright and saturated that some scenes looks unnatural and fake.
A lot of this is actually wrong. They went to Namibia because they couldn't shoot in Australia because of weather. They did shoot Furiosa movie in Australian desert. How can you say that Fury Road used a lot of digital compositing and Furiosa used a lot of greenscreen when its the same tools being used ? Funnily, now the BTS videos are coming up, one can tell Furiosa actually is actually very practical... The biggest difference between Fury Road and Furiosa is the lighting and the post processing. But just fyi, they did shoot the Stowaway sequence for real using cranes for flying attackers. They did flip the car on the truck. They did explode the glider over the truck. They did set a Dementus goon on fire during the Trojan Truck scene. They did flip Furiosa car. They did create Furiosa hand on the chain. The six wheels car is real. The suspended truck scene is real (it was 90° inclined and the actress did slide on it). One other thing that could explain why CGI looks sometimes bad in Furiosa is what the movie shows. In Fury Road you have 20 cars getting in the middle of the desert for the whole movie. Furiosa features already more bikes than Fury Road cars... and more locations, with more people. And nobody realised AI on the kid or the Bullet Farmer being complete CGI.
@@Demystificator green screens look like ass, bikers falling trying to go up the hill looks like ass, flying vehicles looks like ass, green valley looks especially ass. Movie as a whole looks way worse then fury road and has a digital look that the first didn't have.
@@alexworm1707 I wish you'd give some green screen examples The rest you mention is 3d and not greenscreen. Octoboss vehicle was suspended but I read they still tweaked it with the computer for the angle to match the pulling movement. Fury Road aint the first one. Look at fury road scene when Joe speaks to his crowd if you wanna see Fury Road ugly green screen...
I'm gonna point something out. These brand new ultra high definition cameras. Take images that are way too clean. There is a method that is used by the cinema photographer, greg frazier. The guy that had done dune, Dawn of the planet, the apes and war for the planet of the apes. And the batman. He does a technique that's called dirtying up the image. Purposely, capturing images that aren't perfect is the whole point. We're able to suspend more disbelief when things are a little bit more out of focus or smudged. Some of the CGI was a bit too clean. Now another perspective that we should be taking into consideration. Is the visual effects in the trailers are often not complete. Our idea of what we are seeing my actually be.The memory of the trailer and not the film itself. When I actually was in the movie, seeing furiosa.And I watched it twice. Spokennoise I wasn't as distracted by the same visual effects that I saw in the trailer.
I think the reasons are 1. Bikes cant have roll cages/ any safety measures for the rider, which is the main type of vehicle in this movie, the whole gang is a motorcycle gang. Also actions involving more bikes compared to fury road 2. World is too large, green place, gas town, bullet farm, mountains. Budget went into building them cgi instead of transporting the vehicles to other places for filming. 3. The director and behind the scenes of fury road mentioned the amount of stress in the whole crew filming fury road was too much bcus of the safety 4. Its more of a revenge story for furiosa compared to one long chase, therefore actions were not the main focus, which everyone can tell from how the movie represented. If they ship all the crew and assets to Africa just for a few small action scenes, it wont worth the money and effort
Its the lighting that really lets the VFX down. They are in a desert with a bright sun overhead and yet, in certain scenes, no strong shadows are cast.. The war pup in the first war rig is a prime example. He's bald and has white face paint. The top of his head should be gleaming. Brows, nose and chin should be casting strong shadows. And there is none of that. The lid he opens should be casting strong shadows on him as well But there's lots of ambient lighting as if filmed in a studio, making the actors look so flat.
I'm not even against cgi. It was noticeable, but it was mostly ok or even good (and there are still tons of practical stuff, which looks great). But a lot of shots with greenscreen (especially during the heist in the middle of the movie) for some reason look really BAD. Despite all that i still think, that the movie is great, and in most aspects on the level with Fury Road.
I actually loved the look; it gives the movie its own visual identity! Keeping the practical vehicle and stunts intact while giving the environment a visual personality... In my opinion, movies should never look too real; there should be a thin line that separates movies from real life, and this movie did that for me!
Well said! I really wish more people felt this way. I don’t understand the insistence on immersion and things feeling “real”. It really detracts from creativity most of the time in my opinion.
Over saturated and over done. Godzilla minus one proved you can make entire world cgi and still make it look grounded and realistic. They just didn’t do that. They went with stylized. It was a choice not a bug.
No! You are partially correct only. Furiosa looks so bad , yes, it looks cheap and bad, the lighting is wrong in so many shots, because of the Volume Shot, because a lot was filmed in led studios. It looks extremely cheap, and more like a commercial! Volumes can be great if used properly, like mandalorian. But here even the color grading is horrible, music video style. Horrible decisions! Really sad!
I'm entirely convinced that people can't tell the difference between real and CGI in this comment thread. People are using examples of practical stuff for how CGI looks fake.
Quite true, I'm ashamed to admit that I thought that myself, I thought that the whole war rig was CGI or that the scene where the warboy car explodes and flips over on the war rig was also CGI. Thanks to the behind the scenes I know that much more of what I thought was CGI was real scenes and that has made me appreciate this movie even more, which even if it doesn't surpass Fury Road it does very well in many ways.
I had no problems with the VFX. Sure they could have been better but they didn't distract me from the viewing experience. BTW. aren't VFX by definition not always "fake"?
@@Orozco_PNW its tough cause some of the vfx shots do have bad lighting, but there are a lot of very gorgeous frams in the film imo. If you can see it in theaters, its definitely worth a watch (just dont expect fury road lol)
2:09 George Miller always wanted to shoot Mad Max: Fury Road and Furiosa in Australia, particularly Broken Hill, as a means of creating local industry within the country. At the time of shooting however, the ordinarily dry outback setting got more rain than it had in decades, and the whole town blossomed with flowers and greenery, ergo the move to shooting in Namibia as after months of waiting the shooting location never dried up again. When it turned out Furiosa was going to be shot in Australia, the state government granted the production approximately 150 million dollars, which is the greatest amount ever given to a film production by the government of New South Wales. I have personally met people within filmmaking circles who have acted as safety coordinators / stuntmen within the production as it was shot in Broken Hill and in studio at Sydney
Fury Road used CGI for background elements. Furiosa uses CG for cars. CG cars always look wrong, it's not a case of good or bad effects, it's a case of using CGI for the wrong elements.
Its more like its have "Wrong style" The cgi and real picture assets didn't match in style All cgi looks cartoony, but actors and props look highly realistic... If movie can't provide good cgi, it have to tooned down the real picture assets to match with Example: Sky captain
What cars ? Every car Furiosa's driving are real. All bikers during stowaway scene are real. War Rig is real. 6 wheels car is real. Suspended truck is real. Dementus chariot is real. The only foreground car which looks CGI (and I haven't seen it on BTS footage) is the flamethrower van during Bullet Farm Ambush.
I loved this movie, but the CGI did stand out. And the reason it stood out is it was too 'clean' which made it all look filmed indoors under artificial lighting. I'd like to see them take it and run some color grading and post processing to wash out some of the color and up the exposure to dirty it up a bit so it is more in line with the 'look' of the previous films.
I think the only bad effect was the guy in the back of the war rig, not sure if he couldn't film on the rig for safety reasons but the effect of his face in the hatch is awful every time we see it. Rest of the effects were great imo.
Then stop , if they dont want to do practical car crashes anymore then they dont want to make mad max anymore , its like basketball without a ball or apple pie with no apple... THERES NO FUCKING POINT
literally the only accident done in CGI from furiosa is the fall of the war rig in the bullet farm for obvious reasons all the other accidents were with practical effects as in the rest of the saga. The real problem is the backgrounds, the lighting and the colors really inform yourself and look at the behind the scenes they are very good.
Yes ! Exactly ! Only Marvel can keep using CGI to make actresses breat bouncier ! That's the only point of CGI. (If you're curious about it, Dr Strange 2 scene, just after Mr Fantastic raises his hand, there's a cut to Scarlet Witch doing the same movement but her breat suddenly bounces like hell).
Even Fury Road had it's bad moments. What I found so jarring about Furiosa was that the VFX quality is SO inconsistent. There are some scenes that are absolutely perfect. Some wide shots were the background looks like they went for old school matte paintings, and then you have green screen work that looks like you accidentially ended up in someones Skype meeting. I initially thought they were intentionally going for an old school vibe with the VFX, but some of it was SO bad, I can only assume they ran out of time/money 🤷♂ (and there were a few bits where the fire/flame throwers looked so bad they could have been straight from a 2010 video game)
If you look at all the behind the scenes photos you’ll see they got stuck with heavy cloud cover throughout a big portion of the shoot and had to resort to artificial lighting outside. Then when you add a new CG sky and background in the actors don’t quite match it because they weren’t lit with sunlight to begin with. I think it was mostly just unfortunate circumstance.
I only saw the the trailer for Furiosa and it look no different than any another high budget Netflix action movie. Furiosa seems to have the same glow filter used at the end of The Hitman's Bodyguard.
There is a lot more that goes into the decision-making than that. Just because it's set in Australia doesn't necessarily mean Australia is the best choice to film it.
@-Eternal-Damnation- lol no george miller actually stated it. The reasons for fury road being filmed elsewhere were financial and environmental. There are some very fake looking shots in fury road at the end of the film where the engine is pulled from the vehicle, it looks horrendous. Furiousa is going for an even harsher saturation look and has much larger set pieces requiring much more fully digital shots. I think it's a visually stunning film but the high contrast saturation does not help the obviously cgi shots. Both films are stunning and far more impressive than the usual Hollywood fare.
My theory is Furiosa was originally suppose to be an anime released around the same time as fury road. So stylistically it’s a live action trying to mimic animation. Also during that year in Australia we had La Niña so was very wet and green. I know because I was in Broken Hill l after they finished filming and the area around the mad max 2 museum was green. It wasn’t the red earth wasteland I was expecting to see.
it is more cg than fury road, but then again it is more epic. more multiples of battles scenes that were slo mo shots in Fury road. On of the quirks of Fury road is they shot way more hrs of footage! Some of this was character building and method. Other parts were to give the editor many choices in splicing sequences.
I thought most of it was decent. They didn’t distract from the movie. Except for the hooks during the first assault. Those looked like shit and made me laugh
there's way more CGI than Fury Road. Even Furiosa's car coming towards Dementus's sight near the end is CGI and it looks like crap. Even a simple image of a car coming towards the screen in the distance is CGI. I remember watching Captain America Civil War and asking myself how they did some of that stuff and turns it out, it was all CGI, but an extremely convincing CGI. It never bothered me as looking fake at any point. Furiosa on the other hand, i can count the times it doesn't look fake. A shame because the movie is good.
"Even Furiosa's car coming towards Dementus's sight near the end is CGI and it looks like crap. Even a simple image of a car coming towards the screen in the distance is CGI" Can't believe people still believe this. Prove me wrong, I hope you do, but that car was physically built and used in many scenes at the end, there is no reason to have it suddenly be cgi for something as simple as that. Seen so many people claim certain bits were cgi, when they were not.
@@jozefrockatansky1588 then the scene was badly lit and directed, because it looks artificial as hell. the movie is already on streaming, i'll take a look at it again later.
@@timkasansky2528 It's very likely down to the lighting, like a lot of the issues with this movie, the lighting or green screen effects etc. Wish it looked more gritty and grounded like Road Warrior, but yeah, even seen people claim the entire War Rig scene in the first third of the movie was CGI when it isn't, there's a lot in this that is actually real, but it's then ruined by poor lighting or other effects slapped on top.
@@jozefrockatansky1588 found the footage on RU-vid. It's when he look through the spyglass and see her car coming towards him. Lighting and the behavior of the car feels off. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZDe2FcP3zok.html
They’re two very different types of movies for sure. Furiosa has a mythic fable-esque quality to it that I think lends itself to a more stylistic style of CGI and editing. I think it’s nice contrast to the more structurally straightforward and grounded Fury Road.
It's funny, but I think the opposite. In Furiosa, the most spectacular thing you see is some cars turning over and the truck falling into the bullet farm, while in Fury Road we see Joe's entire army, the tremendous explosion of the people-eater's truck, and the spectacular end of the War Rig followed by the crash of the Doof Wagon. For me, Furiosa is much simpler in that sense, but I understand your point.
Parts of Villenueve's Dune was shot in Namibia. Seems like Furiosa's production was simply cutting costs by choosing not to shoot in Namibia and instead use digital landscapes for the desert. I'm hopeful Mad Max: The Wasteland will still happen with Tom Hardy.
The change in cinematographer might have something to do with it, too. Not that Simon Duggan is incompetent or anything, love his work on _Live free or die hard._ But John Seale's camerawork on _Fury Road_ is in a class of its own, I think.
Noo.. Best example of Stylized is, Sky captain, Sucker Punch, Charlies angels 2000, those movie have good composition, the cgi and actors have same picture style, so its looks good despite it also looks fake like fantasy... Not this furiousa that have cgi to real props and actors so separately different picture style... Actors looks so realistic, but environment look fake af...
@@thetalentof You can see actually Furiosa movie touch in fury road when Ricturs rips off the engine. Not mentionning the ugly guitar and wheel coming to screen at the very end of the chase... Fury Road has its bad CGI too.
Nice video. Furiosa is a good movie but, for me, far far away from Fury Road, which I consider a masterpiece. I think another difference, other than the vfx you said in the video, are the characters. Beside Dementus, there are no new “cool” character. Like Nux in Fury Road, amazing, or the wives. I think I missed some ambiguous figure, except the ones we already know. Sorry for my bad english, i’m Italian lol
Australia isn't as baron as people think. So to make it look more in line with fury road they replaced the background with more dead looking desert. Australia is dry sure but there's heaps of desert plants growing anyway. Doesn't help that we've also had a lot of rain in the last couple years.
I will say, the trailers did furiosa NO JUSTICE what so ever. Imo I have never seen such a bad trailer, felt like they just used the worst rough cuts and threw them onto the collage. I went into the theater expecting to get ready for the worst, and noticed almost none of that. The only time I ever noticed it looking "fake" was the scene where she was hanging off the hood. But it wasn't even that bad or for long. I read this on reddit and I think it also think it's a pretty good point. We have to remember that this is her flashbacks/retelling of the story and in that retelling it seems that she has a more "fantastical" and artistic view of her world, prior to the fury road era where everything is already even worse. We see what happened to "the green place"
There's something about the compositing itself in Furiosa that is a bit off. Like, they purposefully added contrast between elements that makes then stand out a bit too much. I intended to see what VFX houses did the work on the two films but got sidetracked.
I honestly didn't notice anything particularly bad in the animations or the movements, however when I saw the backgrounds, especially the close-ups of the citadel, I literally wanted to vomit. The citadel in Fury Road was made completely with CGI and at the last minute and it still looked better. For the rest, the movie is very good.
Green screen on the green place looked horrendous, guys falling on the bikes when teying to go up the hill looks terrible. The movie looks good 50% of the time, while fury road looked good 90% of the time. It is a massive visual downgraded from fury road.
En Fury Road el desierto, los carros, las motos y los vestuarios se ven reales, porque son reales. Pero en furiosa hasta los vestuarios se ven fake. Comparen el desierto de Fury Road con el desierto de furiosa, la diferencia es abismal
I find the cgi is looking good and bad at the same time. On One Site i Like the Look, of the cgi. Idk why. And on the other side, it does not look good. 😊
Thank you for your insights. For me it was one of the two flaws in the film. I remember the hunting scene before Praetorian Jack was tortured to death, there were a lot of scenes that looked very VFX, and I don't know why. It was very disturbing at the moment.
