Why Do People Leave Their Childhood Religions? 

@@karelkrajicek6607 It's a common christian practice as well for items that are considered to be associated with wicked things.

@@karelkrajicek6607 there are still christians that burn books.

Funny, my parents did the opposite to me A ‘while’ ago I was planning on shredding these old books(Ann Frank, I gathered dozens of the same copy, but they weren’t the only ones) during the time I was into recycling old paper, but they both stopped me verbally about what I was doing They’re both extremely religious, but value the importance of books(not only book but anything relating to history) of any kind as ‘they remind us how far we’ve come, and if we destroy them we’ll forget and repeat the errors we made So I’m against the destruction of historical monuments/statues(anything really) Always have but my parents help add extra sympathy towards books, even if there’s ‘plenty’ of copies. With old history books differing greatly in comparison to newer ones I’ll take it to keep them as an antique even if it’s full of wrong, bias, or errors *grats on anyone making it through my jumble of words xd, grammar is not my strength*

@@karelkrajicek6607 Nice. Randomly provoke another group.

@@sharroon7574 as a catholic christian myself I have never seen nor heard of any christian burning books. (I'm not counting crazy people that might be shown on the news or internet but from people I know personally). In fact I would read books about greek mythology when I was a pre-teen and as a teenager I read a lot about the theories of evolution and genetics and i liked it so much I studied microbiology at college.

Mamma Mia!

Sadly true...

@@ScrawnyTreeDemon simp

@@firemangan2731 ...?

I've actually seen him eat them tho

Basically what happened when I left my religion. I thought people would be like “Well, duh! None actually believe it. It’s just fun rituals.” Not what happened...

@@alexwilliamns Didn't have that luxury. As soon as my father told me that he and his siblings would get hit for questioning God realized I definitely shouldn't come out to them while I still lived under them lol

@@84updown Oh yeah... I kept pretending for years. My whole social life was tied up in the religion...

Honestly for me I never had much of a social life and I was stubborn as mule, so once I decided to say I was an atheist I knew there was no going back.

Haha. So much for her credibility.

Zachary Shaw 😂 😂 William Lane Craig?? That old coot who couldn’t answer a question about why god kills children in natural disasters convinced you? You’re funny.

@@brabbit330 It be that way with some people

Vails tend to fall away when gently swayed by truth.

@@brabbit330 in Bible it said that God created good and evil... Idk why the evil part is ignored by religious people and atheists alike... nothing can be omnipotent without having good and evil.

@Zachary you should check the new wave of atheism. I get why you got William Craig's arguments in his Kalam because it is a good argument for the existence of God, just to bypass the infinite regression that the argument else wise presents, but what if that is true, i mean an infinite regression. And the argument can not pinpoint to any deity, as being the true one, and none other argument that is valid can do that. But the argument still brings some issues in regards to the same thing it wants to dissprove. I mean that god is outside of time and all, but for something even more complex than the universe my logical brain still demands an expiration for its existence and just saying that he is outside of time does not cut it for me.

the only right answer

They outnumber you and decide to eat you

Neolithic problems require Neolithic solutions

@@aud.a.4446 escape by eating the ground below them

That wasn't an obvious answer?

yep. i used to seriously hate christianity. like HATE it. as grew up and made my peace with my religious trauma i was able to enjoy the myths. still hard not to be bitter at times tho.

@@oatmeal7563 same in turkey. There a lot of pressure you can'time even argue about these things. Especially around some specificly strict people groups. They can even beat you for just considering any hesitation

Well, I'd say it depends. Where I'm from (France) people who are raised catholic tend to remain that way. Our country used to be overwhelmingly christian but now it's only about 5% of the population that shows up for sunday mass. As a result, those who are raised in practising families see that as an important and distinctive part os their identities. Also if they renounced the faith their relationships with their families and childhood friends would most likely be strained. So basically catholicism which used to be mainstream is now basically a sect and keeps people under its influence for the same reasons.

That is objectively not true, but okay.

Agree especially if they curse you for not following their faith like my Dad did.

I followed my grandfather into the catholic faith, he passed away last year and I felt it was left to me the responsibility of keeping the faith, as in my family only my mother still practices

when my mother told us we didn't have to attend mass anymore my siblings quit immediately. i hung in for another 6 months so she wouldn't completely freak out. i don't think my dad cared since he never mentioned religion even though he was raised in a catholic orphanage. i left and it wasn't but a few years before both my parents left. once one learns enough it's just not easy to go on believing in the supernatural.

wow

oh dang

im catholic tooo

Strange though, _authoritarian culture, nationalism and harmful superstitiousness_ is actually all an atheist stands against. So, I doubt you have been raised by atheists.

@@18dot7 atheists just don't believe in god. That's all they have in common. Any other things that tend to be attached to that are philosophies like humanism, equalism, scepticism and so on. Atheists raised in USSR are a special brand very different from their western neighbors. They tend to believe in all other made up supernatural nonsense, often poorly educated and completely lost when given personal freedom. They're often much more comfortable under tsar's heavy boot. As for nationalism, it doesn't go against atheism at all, they do not contradict each other in any way. It's just that governments figured out long ago that religion and nationalism go well together so you see them a lot as a pair.

@@AmberyTear - OK, my fault assuming atheists are humanists at the same time.

@@AmberyTear USSR and the Tsar? Okay.

@@Ζήνων-ζ1ι there's a lot of sad absurdity about the effects USSR regime had on Russian society. It made them used to full obedience and no freedom, anyone with dignity or brains was killed off or send to gulags which is why modern Russia is made mostly of perfect slaves who remained alive. That's why nowadays they romanticise Tsar and actually prefer being told what to do and how to live rather than having freedom. :/ It's messed up...

For me, part of it was, I called him Santa or Santy, but I heard that English people called him "Father Christmas", surely he'd have the same name universally?

@@justbeyondthecornerproduct3540 The American Santa is a combination of Sinterklass and Father Christmas. This is where the name Santa Claus comes from. Sinterklass comes from Saint Nicholas, while Father Christmas comes from the Germanic god Odin/Woden. A lot of people in Britain now however, have been Americanised to the point where he is known as Santa. It’s only really old people who still call him Father Christmas. Also Father Christmas used to wear green, whereas now he commonly wears red.

I am sorry other believers undermined your faith as a young child. However, you must know: Santa Clause was still there. Yes your mother wrote the note... but it was still Santa who delivered it to her. Why judge the other kids? Were you perfect or something? Maybe they were good enough to receive that present. You don’t know. Maybe they slid back into their old ways without realizing. The point is this: Santa still believes in you, even if you don’t believe in him. He’s watching out for you every step of the way. The last leftover cookie you almost didn’t get? That was his doing. That nice gift your girlfriend gave you? Who do you think told her you wanted it? You? Maybe... and maybe she knew before that. But the point remains: reconsider your position, look at the evidence, and do t deny what you have witnessed. As the old verse says: “seeing isn’t believing; believing is seeing (Santa’s Son, The Santa Clause 2)”.

@@jan_Kapije This is a joke because this is what strict Christians often write about god in a similar context.

@@jlupus8804 that's a good one

If anything will make you stop believing, it's that

Seggs 😳

"He can't keep getting away with this!"

It's a prayer. It's called missionary.

Ironic

@@paradisecityX0 ironic is not necessarily bad. I'm a protestant, so no anti bible bias, yet it's just funny that this is the kind of phenomenon the video talked about

@@paradisecityX0 actually I think great is diminishing it(I'm just playing with words for exalt God). God's word is way too beautiful for existing un this fallen world, in the sense that this world hate it. But ask God if He is "defeatable" lol. His word wasn't destroyed by this world, and never will, because God's hand grants it. The Lord Jesus taught so. Kids having the bible shows that the Gospel is indestructible. They have the faith of the patriarchs, Law, prophets and Gospels at their hands. Yeah, it's ironic but I love it. That's why I'll teach my baby sister, my children and frankly everyone that wants to listen about the God that wrote 66 books for us.

@The NIFB Jesus that's why the idea of holograms generating ads in the sky suck so much

@@paradisecityX0 why should people hera the bible over any other religion?

That's how I became a Christian.

That is also true for people who sell things. If you wouldn't buy it yourself, you will have a hard time convincing other to buy the thing.

It actually shakes my head how people believe that their religion is chosen by god but God didn't create a religion during Abraham's time they only worshipped God.i actually believe the problem here are the parents no offense.

not hating or trying to be rude, but just because believing in a religion doesnt make everyone a good person doesn't mean it is the fault of the religion itself, it is your abusive parents who are at fault

I don't think Y'all get it. Sure, it wasn't the religion's fault he was abused...but why would you continue on with a practice that brought on the abuse. Fundamental Mormons marry multiple wives, in some clans, these wives are legally still children. Sure you can blame the parents for letting a man marry your child. but the parents were only doing what the religion taught them. If you escaped that abuse, would you still practice that abusive religion? bring your own children into it, teaching them the same things that your parents taught you while abusing you? When someone beats you in the name of God, it's kinda hard to look at religion as anything good Especially as a child.

@@Melissa-wx4lu I understand, I amjust clarifying that yes Religion doesn't mean someone is good, but it doesn't mean that everyone who follows it is bad (like how if you drink tea not all of them taste the same) I just want to make sure since there are people who had a bad experience thus "everyone else is, but are denying it", it happens a lot and I just wanted to clarify. hope you understand

That’s why I fell away, but I regret letting how they acted influence my beliefs or influence anything about my life for that matter.

Thanks.

Same lol

Your forgot the part where god tortures people for eternity if they arent a real christian...thanks for being loving though...i guess...

I can't say it was the same route that led me to being agnostic, but it sounds similar. I can't believe in the god presented in the Bible and by my Grandmother's church. I clearly remember when at around 8 or 9 my Grandmother took me to church (which she did rarely, my parents never went.) and listening to the hymn they were singing. It was all about submission. Bow your head, sing his praises, obey without question, kneel before his throne. It conjured in my mind the imagery of slavery that we had just touched upon in class. And why were we submitting and enslaving ourselves? Because he was just so wonderful, powerful and perfect that we had no other choice. And then, over the years, I learned more and more about the actions of the church throughout history. About actual stories in the Bible. The more I learned, the more it struck me as discordant and wrong. But, looking out at the world, seeing so much good and so much evil... I can't say there is nothing out there. I think we can't understand it anymore, if we ever did, but I can say I think it might be out there.

@@andg_rodg_4_real710 Feel free to quote the bible verse you got that from.

Both of my parents are preachers, my 2 brothers have been christian since childhood. I was and became Atheist. Cant imagine going back.

lol information overload... now i believe nothing

So you were a Hinjew

Lol! Both my parents are muslims and I left islam at the age of 15! Now identify as agnostic!

@@citrusciderr Have your parents abandoned you ?

people are suffering because they believe in something?

@@enrico6176 it's not just believing. People do crazy things so that they can be blessed by the god

@@capcorn7872 yeah, those are called nutcracks. Most people, to be blessed, either do good deeds or are sorry for their sins. THe people who think we need to fight over religion are headless

What was ur parents’ religion?

did they get scammed by an evangelical or something

Lena Bean the white ones maybe, the black activists who had a dog in that race certainly had less abstract reasons to want civil rights.

Folks who make negative fanfic of religious figures: "I want historical facts to be a product of ME, that makes religions look bad compared to ME"

the biggest chads of this world

@@revimfadli4666 Bruh what?

@@HaHa-gg9dl people who make up stories to make religion look bad & themself look morally superior, explained in the same format

"getting to know more people" = more/different creds (like the example of rejecting Santa Claus once you are exposed to more peers who do not believe it).

I've always hated religion. I've found my church boring and years of abuse and ostracization and seeing other people happy and rich. Just made me hate the church and religion in general to the point where I believe that I believe that God is not worthy of praise and worship and humans are a mistake that must be purged for the salvation of the Earth.

@@aliastheabnormal dude, chill.

@@aliastheabnormal well that escalated quickly

@@aliastheabnormal wow

deaf moment?

I have a certain respect for it, but I still don't believe in it

Me too it's a very interesting thing to read about

@@youraveragegamer8832 i have a respect for it, but not for those encroaching on others.

@@Rhaenarys Yeah. Too many people think that's okay

@@jypsridic I mean I kind of can't since theyre dead already it sounds like

It's pretty much the ONLY religion channel on RU-vid.

@@BaggyMcPiper There are a lot of them, though this is the only one I know that takes a religious studies perspective. Ten Minute Bible Hour is one of my personal favourites. He has a series where he goes to churches of different denominations to learn about their theology and practices. Honestly I've had my mind blown by that channel a couple times.

@@Salsmachev same I like the way he present all the information

Ya ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zdR-I35Ladk.html

Yup and a very long upload to come🤔

Similar here. I was raised by totally atheist parents, went to mass like once or twice in my life and now I'm preparing to get baptised and enter the Catholic church.

@@duchstitneho Welcome to the church, we’re happy to have you!

Some people such as yourselves find solace in the faith religion offers to you. It can be for many reasons, but you have probably had experiences where the idea of god helped you.

Me too, oddly enough, down to being raised by atheists and becoming Orthodox Christian.

@@ReyaadGafur True, i always respected Christianity for shaping Europe (i am Czech), even though i was hardline New Atheist and was ridiculing believers (strange, i know). At high school i was interested in interwar catholic writers (i dont know if there some books by Jaroslav Durych translated in English but they are, you should read them) and when i read Orthodoxy by Chesterton and articles by Carl VI Schwarzenberg (Czech aristocrat and catholic writer), Catholicism started making sence. I found that Christianity for me just made world a more meaningful place.

I left my church at 18 for similar reasons, but joined another shortly after. For years, I was completely immersed, teaching theology and scriptural classes, volunteering in mission projects, praying every day, reading my Bible and many scholarly level books for several years. But there was always this doubt. I felt like there was this silence. It began to fester, so I prayed for God to reveal himself to me. I began to feel depressed and insufficient. It got worse and worse, until one day I stood up and said "I need to figure this out." I then began to read everything I could from both Christian and secular sources about biblical history, theology, textual criticism. It got me no where. I finally, at 38, decided I just wasn't convinced God exists. That was it. I have been an atheist since. No amount of philosophical argument, science, or personal anecdote has had an effect on my belief. I spend all my free time on this subject too.

@@deluxeassortment just because you don't believe in the bible doesn't mean god doesn't exist. Have you tried reading other religious texts to see if it resonates with you?

James Wood Very True

@@xxxxxxxxxxxdfdszfgsz The problem is that most of these religions preach that their version of god is the only and true and all the other people believe in nonsense. The more you learn about religions from different sources, the more you're convinced this is all made up. That's why a lot of religious ppl who are convinced their god exists, read only their version of holy book, or even worse, don't read at all just allow their religious preachers to interpret that for them.

@@kaanana Eastern philosophies don't preach exclusivity about their correctness.. Give a try to Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism.

Doesn’t have the same ring to it...but yeah I guess that would be the acronym!

Is this supposed to be a crossover religion/DBA joke?

Create, Read, Update, Delete?

@@ReligionForBreakfast oh, it has a ring to it, just not one most would want to hear or wear.

It's all about The Croods.... 🤔

Thats so cool! I went through the same thing! I grew up Pentacostal but I ended finding the Orthodox Church as well. I find a lot of younger American Christians have been finding the Orthodox Church

No offense but that’s really sad. It surprises me when people watch a scholarly channel and still fail to realize that religion is mythology people still believe in.

@@pansepot1490 I think if you watch other videos on this channel, you will see that "mythology people still believe in" is certainly NOT the scholarly opinion on religion...

@@pansepot1490 if you believe that then you haven't been paying attention to the videos. they talk about how rituals and religions are completely normal and an almost inescapable part of the human experience.

I grew up Greek Orthodox and I've noticed that most of the converts I've met grew up in one of the Protestant denominations. What was it about Orthodoxy that stood out to you both?

Also understanding that the holy book is still pure when it was first made and no human words were put into it

Holy Books are so full of contradictions it's almost funny

@@cl0p38 To me I compare the perspectives of other religions stories if they are the same like the Quran and the bible some of them might be fake but many are similar.

I don't really need to leave my religion so that I can learn the perspective of other religions but I think if your in america parents just force you to choose one religion.

@@cl0p38 t. reddit user

Same here, and my family is atheist. Intolerance is intolerance.

Good thing my mom allowed me to learn about other religions. My mom loves history. :)

Again what motivates my theological point of view. True adherens, of anything frankly, may it be religion, politics or sports teams, make their own decision on following that path. I know I'm not a Baptist because of my parents, my mother is spiritist and my father follows an afro-brazillian religion. But what about the members of my church? Frankly they also have to make their own decision.

This way of influencing happens all the time in our day-to-day life. Think about how many people believe in aliens or Darwin's evolutionary theory without ever doing any serious research in the truthfulness of those beliefs. They believe them because they are given credibility through some source that they find credible.

@@eugenjude6945 you think people only believe in evolution because of credible people? I'm in a biology class right now and evolution is the best explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. My professor is actually religious and makes a point to say he does not "believe" in evolution, he accepts it because its where all the evidence points to. That's what's so great about science. Follow the evidence and leave your feelings out of it. Aliens and evolution should not be compared as equally false.

I somewhat agree. But I also strongly suspect that the perception that religion should be about belief in the supernatural is at least arguably rather recent. For most of human history it had more to do with tradition and loyalty to one's community than with actually purporting to believe in the existence of YHWH, Allah, Krishna or whatever.

@@Bolsonaro_em_Haia Community and tradition is exactly why I stayed in and even tried spreading my religion for as long as I did. I think it is silly to outwardly practice a faith you don't believe on the inside just because of tradition though. I personally felt like a hypocrite and that is not a good way to live.

I agree with you flipping of the question. So I am still waiting to hear him really talk about why some people leave thei religion of their upbringing. I also like your story about why you left - thinking it through with the thought experiement: would you have joined that religion had you not been raised in it? I too have often asked myself and then others: what would you believe had you not been what to believe?

Certainly for a while in my teens I felt the same way. For me though I drifted back into faith around age 17 despite my family. Now I struggle to imagine a world without God. Its certainly interesting

@@MGustave I'm the opposite I'll be 30 in June and I only become more and more convinced there isn't one despite my family's attempts to bring me back into Christianity.

I found it to be very bizarre. The thought of some cosmic pervert watching me shower and poo was just too scary for me as a kid. Religion fascinates me although I pretty much detest them all.

And as you educate yourself more, not only about science but about the religious claims themselves.

Ricky Hunt It makes more and more sense everyday to be honest. The world is ran by religious people Ricky.

Which happens with atheism too.

I very much relate

Yes I agree with you that was my life when it comes down to religion having a fourth down my throat was not my idea of a good thing

I enjoyed.

I am currently reading Jungian works as well. It’s funny how similar our cases are,sadly I am still trying to wrap my head around everything around me. I hope to find inner peace on this journey

Because I like to think we are actually here for a reason, and not just to eat sleep crap reproduce and eventually die where nothing awaits on the other side for us. Why where we in particular as a species given the gift of consciousness when no other life form on this planet was? There’s still much about the brain and subconscious that science does not know, it just seems horrible to think that we aren’t here for some kind of reason.

@@Crackedcripple just because it's a horrible thought doesn't mean, it isn't a possibility or the truth, look into evolution it will give you answers as to why we are here. As to cognition, humans are not alone in this ability our ancient cousins the neanderthals who had bigger brains, lived for hundreds of thousands of years and are now extinct and long gone. What was the purpose of their existence? What was the purpose of all the species and individuals, who suffered and are now long gone and forgotten. Existence only requires you to be breathing, meaning or a higher purpose doesn't enter the equation despite how horrible that may be.

my reasoning is it makes sense and I've had quite a few moments that are just illogical happen all seeming to happen around when I would talk to god

@@Crackedcripple awfully bold of you to assume no other species is conscious

@ඞ ඞ I need to point out that most animals have consciousness, even bugs. Many creatures even have sapience. They feel fear and joy, spite and thanks, revulsion and affection. They cry out in pain and can even communicate with each other and other animals (including us). Even plants communicate with one another in baffeling ways. We may be special in our talents and capacity for abstract thought, but not alone. Something to think about.

That doesn't make sense. Faith is meant to be faith on its own basis. Googling and not finding evidence is only likely. The internet cannot tell you what God knows.

@@thelegendgamer33 Let's look at an example. Let's say you were raised to be a Scientologist. Many specific claims were made about Hubbard, his teachings, the current leaders, psychology, etc. Now, you discover that there are facts which contradict some of what you were taught. You find stories of bad things happening to people as a result of the beliefs and practices you had believed were helpful. You find out that Scientology is widely considered fraudulent and dangerous. There are things you'd heard a little about but had always considered anti-Scientology lies that turn out to be true. How is your faith affected? Are you supposed to just keep believing because faith exists for its own sake?

PoptheBubble ChartLeaks Things like morals in the bible are too wishy washy to be evaluated with facts like that. You might be able to apply facts to things like the creation story, but how are supposed to apply facts to things like the law and what's right or wrong? I still don't know exactly how Sam defines faith, but the values that feed into the superego through religion are much older and have undergone much more natural selection than any peer reviewed study on ethics you could find today, so it's pretty reasonable for people to naturally just trust a sacred text that's stood the course of thousands of years instead of using anecdotes from people with a half a life of experience, even if those people happen to be successful. This only applies if he's talking about a kind of fact based faith like "I have faith that this chair will not break if I sit on it even though I don't know what it's made of simply because it's never broken before"

@@andrewprahst2529 You seem to be defining religion as Christianity and possibly Judaism. You seem to think that there is one morality in the Bible with one way of following it. That just isn't so. The morals haven't gone through some natural selection to create an ideal form. You can actually apply social science research to the theologies taught in religions. There is a whole growing industry of therapists with cultural competency to treat trauma caused by religious beliefs, practices, and institutions. I think you're trying to universalize whatever you grew up with. Let's go specific instead. I used the Scientology example for a reason. I suspect that this person was raised Mormon, as was I, but wasn't saying so to be polite. We were told that the LDS church came about in a certain way. It didn't. We were also told that there was a lot of anti-mormon material online which we shouldn't look at. It's common for people who start looking at the forbidden materials to start understanding them as reputable history, consumer reports, and discussions of culture and current events within a Mormon world which turns out to be bigger than they knew. There are a lot of facts which can be used to evaluate the deep well of information available in this case. Still, there are people from more mainstream Christian denominations who report similar experiences holding their denominations, the Bible and Christian history up to scrutiny and finding them lacking.

​@@melissamybubbles6139 Well I guess I was defining religion as all the ones that have been around for awhile and are still around, including hinduism and bhuddism. I would consider both scientology and the LDS to be cults. Neither of them have been around very long and I don't think either of them will stand the test of time. The process of shakier belief systems getting weeded out like that is exactly the kind of natural selection I was talking about. I acknoledge the fact that many things have been thought about the Bible alone across time, but really only the belief systems that have proven useful and sustainable have stuck. Maybe at some point all modern religion will be done away with via this process, but at the moment, I don't think there's any real secular substitute that provides the trancendant framework that the common man needs. I think this might come when the psychedelic experience is well understood and hallucinogens are regularly prescribed by doctors. Even then, when we can describe these superego brain processees with extreme precision, I think a beleif system like a religion will still be adhered to because no man can understand every facet his own mind. By the way, I don't think people having bad experiences with a given community is evidence of their center-piece's failing. You could in fact have bad exeriences with some of the most respected systems on the planet. Things like the crusades or Catholic priest molestation are thought of as impurities. I also don't think I'm universalizing what I grew up with, which was CMA Christianity fyi. Rather, I think many of the things I were taught were universal to begin with. I was often encouraged to question my faith and make it my own within the church. Any solid religion is tried and true. Ones that are isolated by order of doctorine are cults. That's why at the end of my first post I clarified "This only applies if he's talking about a kind of fact based faith". I don't consider ignoring data to support your beliefs to be faith. The faith I talk about is just what covers the universal gap in knowledge that no man can factually fill. That's where you have to use previous success to fuel your trajectory, and I think that's what faith in the religious sense is.

Well when you say it like that...

Santa Hu-Akbar!

@@Perririri 😂😂😂

@Frizzurd you've definitely misunderstood what I have said. there's nothing wrong with recognising the social utility of religion as a cultural thing and still engaging with religion, despite having no belief in a literal Gd.

@@dm7626 So that would make you an atheist? An atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in a literal God.

@@chillinturt1059 I don't not believe.

@@dm7626 So when you said "despite having no belief in a literal God" you where talking about that other guy and not yourself? If so, that's cool I just misunderstood. Otherwise, by definition someone who holds no belief in literal gods is an atheist.

@@chillinturt1059 yeah, sorry if I confused you, lots of people I know are atheists but still engage with religion as a cultural thing, I doubt I even know many genuine theists tbh.

I'm glad you have a trustworthy relationship with your sister.

I hate religious people 😢

lol

Jesus wants a private word with little Jimmy 👀

having to give up playing Mario only to be Mario's plaything...

This stereotype is disgusting there is a lot of good people

🤣

@Marie Baho Church history and the develop of doctrine. I love my Protestant heritage but it didn’t hold up to the way the church had historically looked, acted, and worshiped.

I am also a convert from atheism to Catholicism.

heh yeah

Santa is literally St. Nicholas, and the Catholic faith prescribes praying to specific saints to achieve results. He is the patron saint of sailors, children, wolves and pawnbrokers, among others. So the kid was right and you were wrong.

talking to yourself while saying santa is just as effective as talking to yourself while saying jesus

As a secret ex mormon I felt that

Jehovah's Witnesses?

Something similar happened to me with my family's atheism. They encouraged exploration but I was endlessly criticized when I did explore and left. I wasn't cut off though, just endlessly bullied.

Brother, islam is the truest of faith, everything has been taught to us, by allah swt. by Rasoolullah (pbuh) in his hadists, what is it that is troubling you?

made me laugh out loud.

IT'S ACTUALLY ZEUS YOU HERETICS

but in order to be in asgard with odin you have to die in battle

@@YaBoiSneedMan I think we all know that if all the gods of every religion came together Jesus could just blink and they’ll disappear

Why Allah? aren't you ex Christan?

Same. But it took time. Plus it seemed like a number of them seemed to violate the guidelines of the religion with little repercussions.

@@jackkraken3888 - Yes, that too

I've quite thoroughly explored at least 6 religions, and it happens in all of them. People don't walk their talk, and don't know enough of their own beliefs to explain discrepancies (sometimes, not even religious leaders do, as I learned), so they resort to book-thumping. Just like the CREDs and CRUDs Andrew mentions here.

These are the problems with most of those people they don't seem to know the perspective of another religion now it's more of a tool than faith.

I can relate, the same happened to me. "How God created earth?" "He ordered it to be created in 7 days" "If God created us all, who created him?" "God has always existed" "But how is it possible that God was never born before and has lived an infinite amount of time?" "Because he is God and he can do whatever he wants" "And how you know that God exists?" "Just shut up and believe everything Im telling you!" Thats why I left religion, nothing of it made any sense, it was so stupid for me. My parents wanted me to suck it up and to not question their beliefs although they didnt make sense.

@@josefstalin7033 you can actually find all of those answers in the Qur'an and also hadists, "How god created earth?" He created it in only 6 days And also simultaneously created the heavens and all that is beetween them in surah Al A'raf chapter 7 verse 54 "If god created us all, who created him?" God is uncreated, he is our creator and no one is higher than him just like in Surah Al Ikhlas Chapter 112 verse 1-4 "say he is allah one and only, allah the eternal refuge, he neither begets nor is born, nor is there to him any equivalent." "And how you know that god exist?" Thats why the prophets are created, To deliver the message to all humans. The quran isnt just for the arabs, isnt just for the muslims, but for all of humanity surah Al An'am chapter 6 verse 90. the quran is the furqon, the Bil Haq (truth), its a book of signs for all of the humans, for all that submits their will to almighty god. It was bring down to earth by Archangel Gabriel by the will of Allah to deliver it to prophet muhammad saw (pbuh) 1400 hundreds years ago, the first scientific breakthrough is that the moonlight is actually a sunlight that shines on the moon and bounces off By leonardo da vinci 500 years ago, now by going by that logic, the quran is Gods words. he explained everything in the quran, cleared every misconceptions of the other holy books (torah, zabur, and injeel (bible)). No one can explain something that we dont know other than the creator himself.

@@argennova5618 Qur'an has so many contradictions with itself and science. First inner contradiction in Islam itself is that we God knows what are we doing to do, that God used his pen to determine all of our life decisions and everything that happens, God gives us free will to do whatever we want,God gives permission to people to beilive in him and sealing of hearts from people whom he does not want to beilive. This is all in Qur'an but I don't really have to write it out word for word from Qur'an. Scientificall contradictions are present really hard in Quran that also claims to be the purest and most scientific book ever which in fact it isn't. He said that earth has been laid like a bad and simoltaniously made 7 heavens and 7 earths which you mentioned . Earth is a sphere but what could someone from a 7th century paganic Arabia know about spherical earth. It is mentioned that sun goes under the earth to ask Allah for a permission to raise again. Which also does not make any sense. Also why wasn't Qur'an fully revealed to people at the time rather taking decades to finish it. Obviously so Muhammed can write whatever problem he has and whatever answer he needs to tell to the people. Why did it finish upon his death? Obviously because creator of Qur'an has died. Look at it with logic rather than just beiliveing

@@MrKruska11 brother, you ask very good questions, very common questions, if u are an atheist i congratulate you! Because you are a thinking bunch, you have believed half of the islamic syahadah which is "there is no god-" = "la illa ha-" , insyaallah i will answer all of ur questions and insyaallah maybe u will be convinced and say the rest of the syahadah which is "illallah" = "-but allah." Brother, u ask 5 questions i believe, God knows what were going to do, god gives us free will to do whatever we want, and god gives permission to people who believe in him and seals the heart of the nonbelievers, the sun goes under the earth to ask for allah's permission to raise again, and also why whasnt the Quran revealed back there? First of all brother, the Quran isnt a book of science, its a book of *Signs* from Almighty god, there are 600+ signs, 600+ ayats in the Quran and all of the signs has been proven scientifically, 80% of quran's signs is right one of them is proving the moon does not have its own light, in fact its only the sunlight's that bounces of into it. This fact is mention in the Quran 1400 years ago in surah Al Furqon chapter 25 verse 61 "Blessed is he who made the constellation in the skies and place therein a Lamp and a moon giving light" and also Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 5 "It is He who made the sun tobe a shining glory and the moon to be the light of beauty." And the rest 20% is either right either wrong, my logic is, if the quran's 80% is proven to be 100% true then insyaallah the remaining 20% will be right. Who else could mention that 1400 years ago? This fact that the moon is found out only be refletcting the sunlight is discovered 500years ago by leonardo the vinci. the Quran is Bil Haq and no one can mention it other that Almighty God Allah swt. God knows our actions and he gives us free will and also he gives permission to that who believe in him and seals the heart of the nonbelievers. Brother, logically allah swt. has given us free will as a test, before we were even born we were asked one by one even humans back in the day that has already died by Almighty God if we want to be a human. If we follow his teachings and Then we will be even higher than the angels and even glorified in the kingdoms of heaven, but if we decide to choose to deny Allah's righteous path it is your choice, by that point youre even lower than iblees. And also Allah gives guidance to those who belives in him and "Allah has placed their heart and hearing, and theyre closed from accepting allah's guidance." Surah al baqarah chapter 2 verse 6 and verse 7 goes "Indeed thlse who disbelieves it is all the same for them wether you warn them or do not warn them they will not believe . allah has a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil and for them is a great punishment." Indeed bother, these questions are very good questions, very common i should say. allah swt.has given us free will and it is our decision to decide to either follow the righteous path or the wronged path, And it is also mention in the quran that allah knows the secrets of hearts, and why is God so unjust? No the fact that god already asked us if we want to be a human or not its not God's fault its our fault. god knows if he creates another being that doesnt have a free will its only gonna worship him, like the angels. thats why God created the human, the ability to choose, free will, and it is a test for all humankind, if we succeed we will be higher than the angels and also be glorified in the kingdom of heavens. "The sun traveled for its fixed term, that is the design of the almighty, all knowing,." Ya siin chapter 36 verse 38 "It goes and prostates beneath the throne, then it asks for permission (to rise) and permission was given to it.-" This hadith is a very common question, the first critism is ghe claim that the hadith somehow suggests that the sun is rotating around the earth (geocentric) when in reality, it is the earth that is orbiting around the sun (heliocentric) and on its own axis gives us the impression of sunset and sunrise. now, this contention can easily be resolved by pointing out that the prophet muhammad saw. (Pbuh) here is speaking in the context of how things *APPEAR* to be from the earth, *not* how as they really exist. A resident of this planet observes the sun moving from sunrise to sunset and not the earth. therefore, the Prophet muhammad (pbuh) is trying to describe the phenomenon to a 7th century arabs in words that he will understand because the sun is moving is what *appears* to him from earth "And you would have seen the sun, as it rose, inclining away from their cave to the right, and as it set, declining away from them to the left, while they lay in its open space.1 That is one of the signs of Allah. Whoever Allah guides is truly guided. But whoever He leaves to stray, you will never find for them a guiding mentor. And [had you been present], you would see the sun when it rose, inclining away from their cave on the right, and when it set, passing away from them on the left, while they were [lying] within an open space thereof. That was from the signs of Allah. He whom Allah guides is the [rightly] guided, but he whom He sends astray - never will you find for him a protecting guide." Al kahf surah 17 verse 17 Now this verse is mentioned in the quran to show how it appears to us, how the sun moves from our perspective. allah tells us this but he also mentions in the quran that the phenomenon of our whole solar system on a move is in complete harmony in surah ya siin chapter 36 verse 40 "it is not allowable for the sun to *reach* the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but *each*, in an orbit is swimming." Why wasnt the quran revealed from the very beginning? Now brother, the quran is the last and final holy book, the contents of it is so mindblowing and so sacred that the humans before prophet muhammed (pbuh) still cant comprehend that knowledge. Example, someone's dream is that he wants to be doctor in order to be a doctor you have to learn first, learn the basics and then raise your ranks from nursery school until you become a doctor. Thats why previous holy books have been bring down by allah swt. it is as a basic guide Example is the Injeel, the bible it is bring down upon to jesus (pbuh) from a verse of the bible Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14 12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you." This verse is mentioning none other than the last and final prophet, prophet muhammad (pbuh) The other holy books were bring down only to jews back then, buthe Quran, it is bring down to the face of the earth to guide every humankind as it is the last commandments. this is mention in surah Al An'am chapter 6 verse 90 "These ˹prophets˺ were ˹rightly˺ guided by Allah, so follow their guidance. Say, “I ask no reward of you for this ˹Quran˺-it is a reminder to the whole world.” And other places in the quran etc.

That's the whole point of some important people on what was called the evangelical movement, being faithful and really orthodox, yet leaving the toxicity of the fundamentalist movement that preceded it. It was an orthodox opposition to both fundamentalism and theological liberalism. Not advocating here, just sharing a trivia fact

It's a fact!

Wait so he really doesn't exist?

@@Lexyvil As far as I can tell, my mom was the Santa Claus, so no, he doesn't exist. For the record, I was a good child so, once when I didn't get any sort of present, even though I was a good kid all year, I didn't get anything and that's when it all poured down on me, that my classmates were correct, he wasn't real. What reason would be there for me to not get anything, even a cookie or something if he actually existed? That, and the many times I had witnessed mom putting stuff around the tree and etc 🤔

@@Lexyvil he did he was called st nicholas, a priest who gives gifts and stuff during christmas and on people who were needing the most. Thats where the santa we all know was based.

@@Lexyvil of course he’s real. If not explain how your parents can visit every house in one night. Checkmate atheists. Also because I know someone is going to take this comment seriously I’ll clarify, it’s just a joke

I feel your pain. I wish I could give you a hug

im not religious but it's hard to change ur religion if you're a Muslim because the concept God in islam is completely different than any other religion, so i don't bother to study other religion if I know their concept of God is not 1.

@@deviladvocate8620 i am a muslim my self and the first thing that turns us off is when you speak of many gods trinity as an example in christianity

@@rain0aldwaib well Islam is technically a politeisthic religion becuase Muhammed himself is also praised really hard. Not as a god but he is praised so much for obvious reasons. When you enter the islam you say that you believe that Allah is god and his properth is Muhammed which makes a lot of sense because Muhammed made islam in which most of ex muslims including me beilive. He isn't mentioned as a god but is praised as a God.

@@MrKruska11 first time hearing this but aight

@@chonkycat2953 he could have done everything but still Muhammed is very much praised nearly as same as Allah. Not the same but really close

When I first realized, at 21 years old, that I didn't want to believe in God the way I had been taught, I felt very weird. I realized I was being taught that God's love was very conditional. My initial reaction was, "I wish I hadn't had my realization," but ultimately, I'm really glad I did and left, and I'm now on my own spiritual path.

Brother, by definitions you call yourself an atheist right? Mashaallah brother, i congratulate you, you have believed half of the islamic syahadah which "La illa ha-" = "there is no god-" insyaallah by the will of Almighty God, he will give you hidayah to believe in the last half which is "-illallah." = "-but allah."

That's why high-demand religions usually strongly encourage people to only marry in the faith you were raised. And if you can't marry outside the faith, there's no reason to date outside the faith, according to them. But if you do date outside the faith, you have to convert them before you can marry them. I grew up Mormon. They have a whole system set up for ensuring you find a partner in their church. But I dated outside the church and eventually left. So glad I'm out! 😀

What?there's no santa??It took me 22 years to uncover this lie,My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

That's exactly my situation! My dad knew the bible better than everything else in life, but took the word of forgiveness as a crutch and free pass to do absolutely horrendous things. His never ending cycle of hypocrisy was my best teacher

That's probably the worst reason to not teach about Santa, could have been because you don't want your kids to be spoiled little brats around December

I believe in Allah, I saw a lot too and I wont give up of My dear Allah.

I converted to Catholicism from atheism.

@@vedatandkanakithegreatfami3012 Actually hinduism was the only proven religion proven in 2015 after dwarka,vrindavan,ram set bridge,and ancient tribal scrolls were found. And in hinduism there is a group of atheist chakrava they dont belive in god and worship but in peaceful hindu tecahings

Magic Spirit Guys

@@beautifulspirit7420 Catholic dramatized people .

learning hermenutics and reading the Bible is its original language and context solidified my faith more than anything else. All the people that argue the Bible's "contradictions" and take verses out of context don't actually understand what the verse are talking about.

@@danielsparham Maybe Islam had that part right--don't translate the holy book, make people learn the holy book's language (hebrew/Greek, arabic, old norse, Sanskrit, etc)

@@리주민 you realize there are many versions of the quran

@@jakamsoohia7492 their all written in different dialects the message is still the same

I like Futurama too

Is your name after Tupac Amaru? :P

@@quetzalcoatl3242 yes and no, after tupac the rapper which is named after him

But how impartial can we get? I know I believe in christianity and that I truly don't agree anymore with spiritism, my family's religion. I'm not in doubt. Yet how far can I call that process impartial?

Fernando Gonçalves Fernando Gonçalves I don’t think we can divorce ourselves utterly but we should be fair and open to the idea of the possibility of being wrong. Our hurdles shouldn’t be arbitrary and unreasonably high. Perhaps knowing things with absolute certainty isn’t possible but we can accept explanations which carry the greatest explanatory power and scope with the least degree of ad hoc reasoning. Instead of the burden being proof beyond a reasonable doubt, it should be a preponderance of the evidence. We are all justified though, in holding our beliefs until they are defeated.

Many people aren't impartial though, they just assume they were raised in the true religion and immediately dismiss all the others.

@@Lifeskeyishappiness I agree.

It sound like an awesome religion tbh.

@Mr Dyntasy Are you serious asking why he left a mythology?

Lowkey sort of curious of the back story too.

Kaomoji normie

how long have you been using reddit/twitter?

LOL, torture stakes!

Exactly! That was the reason for me! I don't know of the way to be philosophically honest and assert that Christian ontology describes the world in which we actually exist. And the epistemic reasons that have ever existed are incredibly weak with unjustifiable methodology. E.g. taking some 1. c. reports as a credible and sufficient source to assert that laws of the standard model have been one-time violated like that, and if that's good methodology, there are Hindu reports of similar time which are greater in number! I suppose one should be a Hindu then - but no, because it's the methodology which isn't rational, and could make any arbitrary assertion made in the old times true.

@Beecher's Hope yes and it's name is good bois

I see that as an absolute win

Centrioless how do you handle contradiction within the Bible?

chipsndips can be more specific ? Have you looked into apologetics.

Trent McComb I have, ive heard apologists explain why their interpretation is the correct one (using bible verses to back them up). However, there’s hundreds of denominations with slightly different views on the same book. So when the persons says they learn from the book itself, and something seems confusing or contradictory (not just within the Bible, but with science, morality, and history) where do they get clarification from?

There's also plenty of genocide

@@sandraarriaga832 that seems to part of the problem with this whole sola scripture thing as It seems that it causes alot of problems I haven't seen/heard as much of from Catholics or Orthodox Christians