Why Do Poor Countries Stay Poor? (Unequal Exchange and Imperialism) 

will you ever make a video on the soviet intervention in afghanistan

Why is this comment 4 hours old when the video released 2 minutes ago ⁉

@@macbethhm because he made the video so he has access to it early

Thank You but can you please put these sources in the description of your video.

Why did you not include settler nations like Mexico, Argentina and Brasil when talking about colonialism, and exploitation? If you insist on Australia or Canada, or even America but exclude Mexico and Latin America there is a massive double standard. Latin America had the fucked up encomienda systems, as well as they exploited people and land the same as any Anglo-colonies.

anyone who has ever tried to decouple from the US dollar in any way has historically been couped and or invaded

for ex india?

for ex india?

@@goutamboppana961 For India it was split and left in a state of turmoil due to Lord Mountbatten - last Viceroy of India and the person who drew the lines of partition

@@goutamboppana961 split into 3 parts and locked into permanent cold war with Pakistan

Tbh, the whole of the Balkans should be excluded from the Imperial Core.

@@ravenouself4181as a Balkaner, agreed.

Russia is out of context (0:17 - 0:19)

​@@ravenouself4181 I'd argue it's peripheral within the imperial core

and poland should be classified as lapdog of imperial core lmao

exactly

Jokowi said that this is the new VOC. We should not give up. EU countries have pillaged, extorted and r@ped many global south countries. We should use our natural resources as leverages.

mantab ada org indo To add salt to the wound our biggest partners in the ev industry seem to be Chinese companies CATL group and foxconn (if I remember correctly), despite tesla being the most highly publicised.

The eu official economic policy is ordo liberalism, so of course they are opposed to protectionist policies. They banned similar laws in western countries. And btw when you join a trade organisation you have to respect its rules

@@macaque791 they only imposed those laws when it benfiets them and they ignore it when it doesn’t so stfu, the Eu policy of pillaging the planet since the last 500 years, is the exact same

That’s basically what happens in Latin America.

Unfortunately, this video has failed to mention that the world's poorest countries are immeasurably richer than they were 100 years ago.

@@lochnessmunster1189 How does that change anything? Lmao

​@Loch Ness Munster this only represents the rise in wealth concentration in these countries. no, this isn't a good thing.

@@lochnessmunster1189 You fail to understand that the increase in GDP has nothing to do with the increase in quality of life or the wealth of the common person in that country.

@@user-nk8zx1yw8s Please explain how the two aren't related.

Tropical climates are bad for farming(it rains overflooding or its completely dry), working (overheat unless you have expensive air conditioning), and tropical diseases are dangerous. The tropical people should be allowed to immigrate to cool areas, although maybe in the future things like cheap air conditioning with self-replicating solar panels, cultured food, and night vision (sleeping during the day*) will fix these problems.

@@aoeu256 is this satire?

@@aoeu256 That's been a very big problem for Sub-Saharan Africa, but modern technology has the potential to fix that. Take something as simple as the fact that no horses could survive the tropical diseases of Sub Saharan Africa which permanently neutered the economical development of that area for millenia. But in just the last 200 years, trains were invented which can circumvent this issue, which means that Sub-Saharan Africa has just recently been able to finally begin to progress into a more developed economy.

@@Mag_ladroth No, no it's not.

The entire premise is wrong. Poor countries don't stay poor. Every poor country is richer now than they have ever been in human history.

Really? I had a chance to read but I looked away. After read Nkaume Book on neo-colonization it is like I understand the rise of communism and Maxist Lennin. I will definitely read your book within this year

@@kambuyiblack7462 nkrumah? you should read Babu. Here is a good quote from Babu’s “African Socialism or Socialism Africa?” on Nkrumah: “Inexperienced, and lacking in analytical thoroughness, Nkrumah for his part did not interpret the African situation in the full context of world-wide developments. He failed to see Africa as part of the global struggle between the rising sun of socialism and the setting sun of capitalism and imperialism. His socialism was a socialism of reforms, not of revolution. His anti-colonialism was partial, not universal . He saw only physical colonialism, which is but one aspect of imperialism, and he was ready to hobnob with the agents of the latter, the multinational corporations, in the hope of removing territorial colonialism..” This is unfortunately true. And in the beginning he even aligned with America. Anyways, Nkrumah is a legend. He was instrumental to African liberation. But his program was never really Marxist-Leninist. In Russia he would have been a Menshevik/Rightist at best. Though people who don’t want to do the work of analyzing revisionism’s historical roots thoroughly like to hide behind this idea that Nkrumah or Sankara or Cabral were the African Mao. It’s just lazy. Also, hardcore ML parties in Africa were suppressed by foreign agents as well. In general they were suppressed.

How Europe underdeveloped Africa? I am asking about what do they or you mean?

It's a very good introduction to the topic. Another one is ''open veins of Latin America''

​@@guyfromtheplaceshown3690 as Europe claimed ownership of resources and directed development, they only developed things that give them profit i.e. whatever they're extracting. They don't put any more than they have to into local infrastructure. So all the money ends up in Europe's GDP instead of Africa.

What a dumb statement. Sure, we could produce it ourselves. How would that help developing nations? They rely on manufacturing jobs to stay afloat.

​@@zachb1706 under the current imperial regime

we are starting to do that actually, i see more and more made in EU stuff

@@BalkanSpectre they need more funding though, not less?

@@guywiththepanzerhausf6478 I do like a lot of what the EU does, though there is still a lot of work to be done. Lead forth and give us an example to follow across the Atlantic eh!

Yeah, all three presenters in The Deprogram are collectively responsible for me going from "maybe market socialist I guess" to an ML who recognizes the flaws inherent and helped me to understand a fair amount of intersectionality and system-focused thinking.

basically, they helped deprogram me

Don't worry, once you will grow up and have a job, you quickly learn how stupidly far frop reality those internet videos were.

Have fun at work tomorrow xD

​@@mrsupremegascon working is one of the main forces radicalizing people lol

And despite all of that, the country was basically a third world country itself by the end of the dictatorship.

@@sirkeeper2885 how could they fuck up so bad

@@niibor1 Ah! Easy. In the beginning the colonial ventures were dominated by the crown, and nobility. Later the burghers did start to gain prominence as well. However, being imperialism, the wealth of empire got sucked up to the top. It went to palaces built by dirt-poor peasants, it went into ships manned by working men. These working men also died for said wealth but they were, of course, expendable. The majority of the population didn't get to see the riches, but they did foot the bill alongside the slaves, though not as inhumanely treated.

@@niibor1 because they slowly lost maritime influence as other, much bigger and more powerful, countries spread their influence overseas. Not to mention that from the start they were entirely dependent on countries like Britain to maintain their independence in Europe.

And yet Portugal is not that rich anyway. While countries that had barely any colonies (Scandinavia) even were colonies (Finland, South Korea) are more developed. It's almost as if, this video is just pure bs, and is just another demonization of Europeans.

I hear "corruption" mentioned as the cause for underdevelopment all the time but the second I point out that corruption is LEGALIZED in the US I hear cricket sounds

@@sanepillow59Corruption doesn’t affect the everyday person in the US, like it does in third world countries. Also the corruption index is proof that rich countries tend to have less corruption, especially at lower levels of society.

@@hihowareyouhihowareyou3688 Corruption affects every single person in the US. Corruption determines what you eat, what you pay for it, how much you get paid, whether you have healthcare or it's tied to your employer (like if you were a medieval peasant), whether you are able to find housing or new developments are blocked.... I put more faith in the reality that is plain to see than in a probably motivated index that only claims to measure a PERCEPTION of corruption (people in the US are sheepish and actually trust the smoke and mirrors they get) rather than the reality. Also I'm not gonna overlook that the organization that publishes said index has major ties to worldwide neoliberal banking

@@hihowareyouhihowareyou3688 Corruption affects everybody in the US. Corruption determines what you eat, what you pay for it, what you get paid, whether you have healthcare or if it's tied to your employer (like a medieval serf), whether companies pay for the environmental mess they make...and a million of other examples. As for the index you talk about, it only claims to measure PERCEPTION of corruption and not actually depict the reality. More importantly, the organization publishing it has ties to the World Bank so you be the judge of whether they have an agenda they're trying to push.

The oldest trick in the book and people ate it up. Most nations are left overs from the Empires.

"We have the ressources to let poorer country to catch up". Did you ever walked in a Western city ? You didn't saw all the homeless people ? The young people struggling to afford a house ? The endless economic crisis ? Huge Inflation in Europe ? Poorer countries has a far greater gdp growth than rich countries. I will let you explain to the Westerners that are already struggling with money, that they infact are rich and exploit the rest of the world. No wonder why the West is becoming more and more nationalist with such speech against them from so called scholars.

@@mrsupremegascon All of that is a result of capitalism being a failed system. The issue isn’t a lack of resources but a lack of a fair and equitable distribution of resources. The rich horde resources while the poor suffer and are exploited. At the end of the day the resources are still being siphoned from poorer countries and sent to the Global North as shown in the video.

@@jaihalai7674 So what your proposing ? We stop trading with the South ? Put an embargo on their export so we makes sure no ressources leave the South ? This video explaining nothing. It just throwed some numbers, with barely any explanation and hope we believe him.

They ship trash to our country then act surprised when we refuse to recycle their trash. Their consumerism is absurd, more than whatever "primitive" technology we are using in our daily life.

Seeing the scale of it was eye watering for me!!

Inequality can only be sustained if everyone is complacent forever.

Negotiate better then. And develop/buy technologies to make your own advanced production, so you don't have to export 5 times the mass you import. The global market is not a charitable organisation, everyone tries to squeeze out more remuneration from their skills and resources.

@@LVArturs "Negotiate better and buy/develop new technology ..." Yeah sure, because the poorest Countries ALWAYS approach the negotiating table from a position of strength, don't they? Buy/develop your own, better tech ... Oh yeah sure, I'll just see what kind of human resources my Universities turn up with this year, shall I? Oh yeah sorry, we've only got the one University in the whole Country, and it's mostly staffed with Junior High School level teacher's, and the only qualified Lecturers of our nationality have been head hunted ... While being educated, overseas!! Fancy that!!! The World Markets aren't a charity.... Except where and when they are, with huge Government subsidies and tax breaks by the $ Billion, I believe you call it "corporate welfare!!" Oh yeah sorry, they're what's called "incentives" aren't they? They're "incentivizing" the hell out of the corn growing industry, the oil and gas industry, the car industry, the housing industry etc etc etc, but never mind, all markets need INCENTIVES, I mean it is, after all, just HUMAN NATURE, is it not? .... PFF!!

@@frenzalrhomb6919 Lol, if my country Vietnam can become prosperous after a war then your country has no excuse.

Parenti is great. Blackshirts and Reds should be required reading for any western leftist tbh.

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There are a lot of his talks on Spotify if you haven’t looked yet

It's definitely a good time to read his book on Rome ("The Assassination of Julius Caesar: A People's History of Ancient Rome"). I just picked up "History as Mystery" from the library...Catchy title and fascinating revolutionary mythbusting, especially if you're interested in class analysis of Christianity. Sorry to say, like probably many of us I've read Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" but have yet to read Parenti's "Inventing Reality." Definitely worth putting on the list too, though. It might be trite to say, but if the best historians make their work relevant to the present, then his books are the pinnacle of that.

I can't deny that he sometimes spits bars especially on the clip that he says in this video

It's even worse when people over here in latin america believe those lies so hard that we're so convinced it's our fault. That we're lazy and we just need to "work as hard and be as smart" as those in the US. If only they understood the people over there are the same as us.

@@sceptile57 Yeah it's pretty sad when we fall for that shit and even more so when we generalize our entire region as poor because of socialism, inequality and corruption. Chile and Uruguay are less corrupt than the US and avobe Southern Europe in the Transparency Index, Uruguay is less unequal than the US in the GINI index, alongside Chile they are amongst the most stable economies in the americas, yet they are still developing economies, so there must be something else beside those bullshit excuses.

@@sceptile57 Mexico and Latin America exploited slaves and the Natives, they are settler colonies like the US and Canada

The problem is a lot of countries are now adopting the welfare state model. Poor countries which can't afford it are facilitating incredibly expensive welfare programs. Why? Because of democracy. Votes matter more than building a prosperous nation. When you see places like the Congo with59% tax rates, you start to understand why they don't grow

They're poor because their wealth comes from resource extraction instead of value added. Trading oil and minerals for t-shirts, fast food and video games is a bad long-term economic strategy. Resource extracting nations also tend to lean to Socialism since Socialism doesn't require a service industry. China and India know this which is why they tried to build their own middle class as fast as possible to allow for their own self-sustaining service industries, even if it meant that their workers had to suffer for a generation or two via State Capitalism. Mexico knows this too but they're dealing with the CIA treating them like their personal playground.

My brother I am from Africa, 'emotional' is an understatement and irrelevant now. We need a serious conversation on how we can work together and address our problems we both in the same situation but oceans apart

It's so heartwarming how so many african brothers came together to comment on this thread

@@kokorochacarero8003 LMFAOOOO

They do this to this day, even in Europe itself. Southern and Eastern Europeans get paid roughly a quarter of what the "Aryans" get paid, despite actually being more productive and working more hours in a year. And that's only speaking of those in the EU.

​​@@matusmotlo3854 Yeah, and if our wages were divided by 10 and the prices of products we're consuming was also divided by 10, then we wouldn't be/feel poorer, but it would be so much easier for foreigners to buy our mines/enterprises/.. if protectionnism is forbidden(, the world bank, i.m.f., ..., will make sure of that by locking countries into debt, and making sure they're grateful to us exploiters for our "help" towards this debt). But that's only an aspect of neo-colonialism, and i was surprised to discover that the most basic/important feature a.f.a.i.k., the old "export of raw materials(, with 'high competition'/'low margins')" for the South, vs. "export of manufactured goods(, such as planes or computers, with 'low competition'/'high margins')" for the North, hasn't changed much compared to colonial times, we do have Nintendo, Samsung, Huawei, but these are the main three countries that really made it in our markets, let's not have a "melting pot" of human beings if we don't want to, but only if we have a melting pot on our markets(, and i mean by that an equal standard of living for all countries, some could be more protectionnist i.d.c.). Yet this opposition raw//manufactured is still far from enough to talk about neo-colonialism, i remember that we strangely subsidize our agriculture to the point of losing money apparently, and as a result the poor farmers(, sometimes without any engines), will produce a food more expensive than the western one, so these countries can't even develop their agricultural "primary sector". One of the most shocking things, after the different kind of dumpings/'negative externalities' that have direct consequences on (non-)humans, is that even if life is more expensive in the west, you can still buy much more things with an hour of work than in southern countries, you can work 50h/week in harsher conditions and you'll still be able to buy less stuff than a westerner working 35h/week, more things should be shocking i know, but the unfairness is so obvious. And if these countries adopted our exact same laws, then they would still be in the same situation 50 years later, it's not a problem of legislation, and isn't as simple as 'rejecting free markets'/'embracing protectionnism'(, wise/knowledgeable is the one who'd know how to escape this condition, France should help its ex-colonies, that could be some starting point but it obviously won't happen, no western "leader" would ever pull the full-strength of h.er.is country to help another one, that's a useless wish, at most a couple hundred millions, but not teams to share knowledge, and build for free training centers and industries while accompanying the processes with its own market in a devoted/disinterested way, there's a lot of things to do but that'd be better trillions spent than in wars, it'd be a very serious endeavor, the kind of sacrifice that would deeply reverse our growth, until they rejoin us. It's a little-known fact that gdp per capita is growing faster in the west than in the South, such countries can't let that continue, they can't let their leaders be treated in european hospitals and even let stupid/evil people insinuate that the problem is cultural or genetic, and they can't realistically hope for a miraculous help from the West(, or anyone else really, nobody will slow its growth, these are childish dreams, perhaps if we were christians in the way of "i'm an eternal repenting sinner in front of the Lord", but that would also be a naive hope, it's pointless to talk about such "solution" any longer. On the other side, we'd simply need a collective awakening&desire to such project, i.d.k., it's technically feasible and i could envision our citizens agreeing to it with the correct propaganda/"pedagogy", i shouldn't be too cynical in rejecting at least the possibility of a western "sacrifice", you'd better polish your plan B though). I'm currently working with different people, some of them black(, mostly from Mayotte), and i was surprised to discover the extent of their interest/knowledge towards what's happening in Mali, Burkina-Faso, Niger, ..., immensely more than french people, they identify themselves as "blacks" and are surrounded with white historical figures, well, i digress, was just surprised that they were so much more informed/interested in what's happening than the average french(wo)man. I probably forgot quite a few things about neo-colonialism, but i'm also certain that i'm ignoring way more than that, here're a few arguments then.

@@sousmerde2retardataire Yeah, great analysis. It is a problem. The bizzare thing is that the Westerners sell us the idea that we just have to work harder, despite them working shorter hours and being actually less productive. The myth of people outside of northwestern (e.g. Aryan) Europe being lazy is complete bullshit. People elsewhere work longer hours, and produce mor per hour, than their people do. And yet we get paid shit, while the products, in many other areas, like Eastern Europe, where I live, are more expensive. Seriously, we're more productive than Western Europeans and also work more hours, and yet the food here is more expensive than it is in Austria. Fucking ridiculous. We need to bring down this system.

Pinned comment habibi.

How did it go?

IMHO, the issue is not the globalism itself. It might have been a force of good and for good with a fairer economic system.

Better deals? Southern countries should revolt and cut any dealings to the north, let the north suffer the same thing they have caused the south over the centuries.

Even in the northern countries the majority of people are being exploited, globalisation itself is not a bad thing, it's the capitalism

@@alexfrost2420 Actually, thanks to hegemonic competition from China Africa & Latin America & Indonesia have recently been improving a bit economically with their infrastructure & factories, thats why the West is trying to demonize China.

​@alexfrost2420 problem with our southern economy is if we raise prices on resources and goods , it'll make the final product and machinery EXPENSIVE for locals to purchase thus leading us into a crisis. Or if the government chooses to increase wages for the people it would lead to a collapse of the economy. Cheap labour isn't only for foreigners to exploit , locals do it as well even pay less than expected.

Found the NPA Account In all seriousness, the country is rich in natural resources AND IS NOW EXPLOITING TO A GREATER EFFECT, that's why we have been experiencing rapid economic growth for the past decade. Nationalizing all industries is problematic, as it stiffle productive expansion, as compared to private-based industries, because less capital is generated and re-invested. Ever since the economic liberalization starting from the Ramos Administration up until the Duterte Administration, with his Foreign Investment Act and PSA Ammendments, it has resulted our GDP being multiple 4.5x from what it was in 2001 (100 USD Billion to more than 400 USD Billion). Before you fight for "workers right," which isn't something wrong, make sure those workers aren't unemployed first, as protectionism and import-substitution limits the greater expansion of our industries. Workers right don't mean sh1t if they don't have work in the first place. Fortunately, our manufacturing and service industries have been expanding BECAUSE OF LIBERALIZATION OF THE ECONOMY. Fascism is defined and characterized by the fanaticism of some racial structure, which leads to forming some sort of ethno-state, what you've said isn't "Fascism."

​@@herrkommandank675 GDP goes up, big deal. All that matters is real wages

yeah the monetary system is the elephant in the room

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I would love to see you try and explain to an actual slave that capitalism under todays standers is slavery.

@@Redrot272 slavery was capitalisms. Slavery has nothing to do with being chained up it has everything to do with your mind being chained

@@kambuyiblack7462 Slavery existed long before the concept of capitalism and it existed in Africa long before any Europeans started interfering. Slavery is someone being someone else's property, that's not a thing in your mind, that's a matter of fact. If you don't show up to work I doubt you have people chasing you down, beating you up, whipping you or possibly killing you, all under the accepted norms and laws of your society. Like there is a difference of me saying that your mind is a prison, because you are following certain patterns that you are used to, and you ACTUALLY being in prison. I also find it strange that you are saying it's in your mind but you yourself would describe your people as "happiest slaves"? Wouldn't the first step of freeing your mind be not to view your self as a slave?

@@Redrot272 You have never read the book written by the first free slave in America right? He said to free yourself from slavery you must first identify yourself as a slave - you must acknowledge that I am trapped and need to free myself. The slavery I talk about is the commercial race-economics slavery of Europeans on peoples across the world. This slavery is different and is highly sophisticated than all previous slavery in Africa or across. If you do not pitch up at work you will be in trouble (some manager calling you or giving you a warning the next day - this is my experience you cannot deny me my experience). Capitalism has incorporated slavery in the constitution thus making it hard to distinguish the two from each other. Understanding that to be a successful slave master you need to enslave the mind of the people you own or else they can revolt against you and even kill you. Better yet the slaves can reject to work thus ruining your business if you not control them well. That is way the author of that book said some slaves did not want to leave the farm - they accepted the position of slavery and their minds were entrapped to not picture a life outside the system of slavery - how will they eat and survive? African leaders are happy slaves because they have accepted they position. Obviously happy slave is humoristic, it is another way of saying a slave who has accepted his position and the slave master is very pleased with that position.

Haiti is genuinely one of the most tragic nations to ever exist

That exactly what the U.S and British did to my nation. Woaw.

@Souven Tudu Pride and care for you own country is second to the accumulation of capital. Foriengers provides capital thus they will exploit the rest of the country for them. If not you will be overthrown in a US coup.

I'm greek and Greeks are poor bc we are just a big nato base and nothing else. Also, good for tourism.

The answer is in the question. Think of it as trickle down economics, japan, china, korea, singapore lifting the whole region up by simply being close and favorable for trade. All these countries had great investment from the west

Americans when they find out comparing income in other countries using dollar amounts is retarded

He won't do because than cost-colonialists are going to cancel him and he will go broke.

@@novinceinhosic3531 apologies if I’m misunderstanding you, but you’d have a hard time convincing me that either Hakim or Cockshott would ever shy away from expressing controversial opinions. We are talking about nuanced differences within Marxist-Leninist thought after all. If they wanted safe and inoffensive, they could have just stuck with liberalism😂

@@thepeacefulenemy4026 On Cockshoot, yeah, he does not shy away, he makes stupid and uneducated claims in the most shameless manner, so I don't disagree with you on that. On Hakim.. I know the day since way before he got popular. Just aski him why he kept it a secret he's a muslim when he was in mostly hardline atheist circles. Also ask him why did he make his Holodomor videos private right about when he started to gain traction. Ask him why he went on Vaush's stream and never challenged him on anything and tried to look as agreeable as possible despite his comments both before and after the "debate". Let's be honest, Hakin just hit the jackpot and now all he cares about is money and popularity. He's just an online radlib prostitute for views and clickbaits together with his team, out of which Second Thought is the most deceiving and manipulative of all of them. It's quite easy with leftists: have a decent video quality and mic, do 0 research or if you reference something make sure the headlines say what you want to claim, don't bother to read the whole meta-analysis; spew the magical words and you gonna have close to a million of people eating from your hand.

@@novinceinhosic3531 🙄oh lord

@@thepeacefulenemy4026 what did he say?

im a Filipino and you clear didn’t received proper education.

See my comment on maps, it's right underneath the pinned comment.

Hakim's editor used a Cold War era map based on alignment rather than economy. Fun fact: Chile, Uruguay and Panama are the only Latin American countries in the High Income Economy group, that's solely due to their GNI* (Gross National Income) per capita being higher than world average (avobe 13000 US$), which means High Income doesn't necessary mean "rich" *GNI: It's like GDP but only accounts for the production that flows to or stays in the country.

@@YaBoiHakim Ok. No worries. Most of us who can spot such things know that you know better. ;)

@@iodopovidona7458 Correct

On the other hand it surprised me that Arab gulf states weren't included as first world.

You need a strong state and be willing to sacrifice one or two generations for it to work. This is what happened to China. The results are there today but it was incredibly rough for most people back then. Simply put, the country is develops faster than it's citizens which means they work for fruits that they, most likely, won't be able to profit off. This worked in countries like China or SK thanks to socialists policies (yes SK had a lot of socialist policies even if it was anti-communist) but I believe the less individualist mindset also contributed to that. People were willing to sacrifice for the "better" good. But if you are not a socialist country, then to be truly successful in this system you will have to develop by exploiting countries of the Global South as well which is what these countries are doing. Maybe not on the same scale as Western capitalists powers but exploitation is exploitation. That's why Socialism, and eventually Communism, should always be the goal as exploitation is not a necessity anymore, you can afford to not participate in the Global Market and have strong local economical sectors. In such a country, you only a few (if not only one) company per industry so they don't need to compete against eachother. This allow the company to grow and have international weight. The profits are then reaped by the state which can then invest in another industry or in government initiatives which further develop the country.

Botswana vs. Zimbabwe. S.Korea vs. N.Korea United States vs. Russia (Including Soviet Union) How come the ones on the left in my previous message are better, more free and weathy... Because Socialism, bad economics and corruption rife in thr countries on the right. Yes the third world was affected by European colonialism, for better and for worse. And for some countries they definitely benefitted, does it make it right no, but Africa was no rich place before Europeans arrived [Aside from Muslim dominanated North Africa] (and fyi the Arabs were slowly colonising the continent since 700s, and doing slavery till the late 1800s which Britain stopped.) Also did you know American sweatshops in Bangladesh, Indonesia etc actually pay people more than the domestic equilivents, which means those workers get more money to spend and circulate the money around. I just want to clarify, Sweatshops are bad, I am not a neocon/neolib, those ideologies are so stupid and do not help people and neoliberalism and neoconservatism need to die but these are things that need to be said.

@@guyfromtheplaceshown3690 You just gave a Neoliberal argument while ignoring everything talked about in the video

@@es-yy2cm Fuck neoliberalism, I am describing reality.

@@es-yy2cm the video ignores a lot of the points being made here. It starts from a global north to a global south perspective. It Does not attempt to understand or explain differences in outcomes in the global north at all. North Korea and/or USSR are in that category. The framing of the argument and perspective ignores the points the above party is making.

Is the method ignoring the human factor? I have a feeling that a pure enough society and culture too allow that too happen would only lose less than a quarter efficiency in productivity in a capitalist state whereas any corruption would devestate the centralized state

@@esoopthederp7672 No, with well organized planning at its full capacity you don't need people to be any better than just regular people.

Please do further elaborate, it's not like a "monopolistic socially planned economy" hasn't ever been tried, so I am curious how you want to solve the many problems that historically came with such systems.

​@@sic5764 companys with verticly intergrated supply chains and automated logistic planning are allready themselves essentially miniture centrally planned economies, pretty much all companies that work with physical products end up like this because it is the most effcient way of getting stuff done they have allready solved the technical problems for us. it is not a question of is it possible to plan the entire economy in this way? it is a question of when it will happen.

I disagree, time and time again planned economies have been proven to be inefficient, ineffective, and corrupt. It’s not about brainwashing or some other tin foil hat conspiracy, the fact is planned economies don’t work, this is primarily due to the fact that they tend to be managed by people like yourself, who are more interested in achieving ideological goals rather than something that would be practical and effective. Look at Russia during the 1900’s it was a backwater at the beginning of the century during Tsarist rule, but it’s economy was growing rapidly, so much so that the Germans deemed it impossible to wage war with them by the end of the 1910’s. Its culture was prospering and Its population was growing rapidly as well. When the soviets took over however that all changed after moving to a planned economy things got incredibly worse people starved riots and revolts broke out. During the early 20’s Lenin even returned the state to a market economy because the situation was so bad. Stalins focus on ideology rather than practicality led to the killings of kulaks (who actually knew how to farm) and replaced them with inexperienced poor people, which led to a famine. His 5 year plans greatly industrialized the country, at the cost of millions of lives. Stalin also choose to persecute religion excessively, many Christian’s were dragged out of their church’s and killed, nuns were raped, Muslims, Buddhists, and Jews also suffered similar fates. Furthermore culture was destroyed in Russia and replaced with the sad and pathetic way of life that the Russians have today. Many of the problems modern Russia faces were caused solely by the soviets, severe population decline? Thank the soviets for killing so many people and encouraging women to be loose and use protection! Terrible economy dominated by oligarchs? Thank the soviets for their failed planned economy that prevented any meaningful competition or progress! Tyrannical government that silences opposition? Thank the soviets for destroying the first Russian Republic and ruining the only chance the Russians had at maintaining a functioning democracy! I could go on and on. Look I know communism offers all these great promises of equality and a society that is perfect in every way, but it’s just that, a promise. Market economies work because they promote a culture of competition, which leads to maximum efficiency because the companies that can’t keep up go out of business. It’s literally a system of survival of the fittest where only the best and most effective businesses can survive. Communism or a socialist planned economy however require unlimited resources to work, a completely uncorrupt and highly capable leadership, and a population who is completely loyal to the system, and working at maximum efficiency. In other words it won’t work because it can’t.

The problem with degrowth is that it seems really obscene and impossible for most of the world. Not even talking about the 759 million people deprived of electricity, 800 million in malnutrition, there will be growth if the basic infrastructures are developed where they need to be. If someone from Tchad for instance say they need roads, power plants, public services, industries, local businesses, tourism... what can you argue? That beeing said yeah, gdp dollars are a messed up and nocive indicator for wealth.

@@jacobdada currently degrowth theory argues for the necessity of degrowth only in the Global North. Most countries in the Global South need to expand growth (as in production and consumption of materials, energy) to meet the necessity of their population. Also the majority of countries in the Global South do not exceed their share of planetary boundary. So in the North by reducing excess resources and energy use, and relying less on the exploitation of the South you would expect to also curb unequal exchange. It is quite a new idea, but I hope that it is going to gain traction in the future!

@@h4Q6e I doubt this idea can attract people outside of a limited social and geographic strata. Maybe for countries like the USA or Australia it would be economically viable, for some local communities it can be a way of life, but I don't get how it could play on a global or even national stage. Like a government would aim at negative growth? Also what you call share of planetary boundaries seems very vague, in terms of carbon emissions, under developed nations may not be so bad but when they start developing they are going to make huge contributions (India now makes up seven per cent of global carbon emissions...), the impact from development on biodiversity is still very much devastating... I really think degrowth is a bit outside the point, just mirroring the discourse of gdp growth when we mostly need to change the terms of the equation ie, the way we mesure wealth and evaluate a successful economy, which determines crucial loans and investments.

The problem with the source and the entire concept is that it tries to measures value as cost of land, labour, resources, etc. But that's inaccurate since the true value of anything is the price other people will buy it for. If you measure by the true value of the products bought and sold between these groups of countries, the "unequel of exchange" would be 1:1 by definition. Just because the sum of all products from "the North" required less land, labour, resources, etc. than "the South's" products did, that doesn't mean that the North's products are less valuable. Natural resources are cheap, semiconductors are not. That's why poor countries will trade a lot of natural resources for a few semiconductors, because the semiconductors are a thousand times more useful and thusly valuable.

Ask yourself where these "poor economic policies" come from. And for that matter, how did your country become a country in the first place? Empires don't just take the resources of the lands they conquer, they export their systems into the places they subjugate. You didn't say which country you live in, but since it is African the chances are good that it was created by a European power that dictated its borders and laws and forced multiple societies and cultures, some of whom had their own differences with each other, into this singular nation. This creates the foundations of internal conflict which they they can continue to exploit.

@@rickb3650 well said

north korea didn't reduce trade, it suffers from an economic blockade. Do you think the huge crisis they went through after the dissolution of the ussr, losing their major trade partner, was intentional? An interesting fact is that at the beginning of the 21st century, nk conducted trade with brazil in which they sold the higher value goods. nk sold microchips and musical instrument parts, while brazil sold commodities like soy.

@@doctorinternet8695 That is true, and the fact about Brazil-NK trade is interesting. Do you think there is any rational basis to the sanctions on NK? Is there any reason that the state regards the acquisition of nuclear weapons to be so important to override the what they would otherwise get through trade? Is that in the interest of the NK people?

@@Spiritualmanlet "Do you think there is any rational basis to the sanctions on NK?" Yes, the US and NK are enemies, the US views their system as deleterious to US interests, nk is at a strategic position against china, and the us doesn't depend on nk for anything. So it's only logical that they would install an economic blockade to destroy the country. "Is there any reason that the state regards the acquisition of nuclear weapons to be so important to override the what they would otherwise get through trade?" There is a reason. nk was under immediate threat by the us on several points after the war (and the war hasn't technically ended). It is known that there were plans for an invasion of the country, you can find them online. It is an obvious strategical move to have weapons that can challenge a much more powerful opponent which 1) has invaded you and destroyed you, 2) planned to do it again, 3) installs a blockade against you (I think the blockade already existed before the dissolution of the ussr), and 4) to this day performs military exercises near your border. "Is that in the interest of the NK people?" Well, it certainly deters conflict. While it caused the tightening of the blockade, it already existed before. As far as I know, nk is at a point where the blockade has become tolerable, since they were able to build a good industrial and agricultural base to support their society. The nuclear technology also isn't just for weapons, it works as a spearhead for the development of other areas, like energy production. I guess the population could derive benefits from a capitulationist government. But it's easy for us to make guesses of what would be better for a country. Libia was invaded after all, and that had catatrophic results. And cuba still suffers a blockade, and it is no theat to the US. Who's to say that even with deferal by nk, they wouldn't suffer anyway.

Big agree

What's 'monopoly capitalism'?

Title of the video is incorrect. These countries are all richer than they used to be, a lot richer.

exactly

Fuck the EU

He has a deprogram YT channel, comrade

@@sonal8109 Didn't know it. Thank you, comrade!

Впервые вижу женщину в политической части тырнетов

@@georgeuferov1497 ну... мы существуем. И нас достаточно много. Привет

@@armenianrussian и тебе привет

Who cares? That's like refusing to use brushless AC motors because Tesla was an antisemite Anybody who disregards Marxism on the basis that "oooh he didn't bathe I'm so mad about that" isn't serious

Yeah, but those theories are just based on nothing. You can make numbers tell everything you want. If you want to real concrete reason why Asia and Africa has issues to develop. Go here and see for yourself. You will not find white or japanese people, go around stealing money or ressources as this scholar said. What you will find, is widespread corruption, cast systems, ethnic conflicts that predate colonisation, nepotism, women discrimination, etc.. You can give all the fair trade or money to Africa or Asia you want. But you can't build a successful economy when your country is plagued with those diseases.

Why the hammer and sickle? Do you actually think Marx was correct about everything?

@@lochnessmunster1189 1.) It stands for the revolutionary workers' movement, to which I count myself. 2) It stands for the solidarity of the whole united working class. 3) It stands for the equality of the sexes in the proletarian women's movement. 4) It expresses my personal solidarity with the former socialist states.

@@lochnessmunster1189 Marx and Engels wrote 42 volumes of writings and articles. I consider most of the theories they put forth to be correct, as they specifically worked on abstractions of the system we still live in today.

@@Musterprolet Ok, cheers, but is it actually true that profit is made by underpaying labor?

China is a great force of good int he world

China is capitalist, and therefore will be forced to exploit other nations eventually

I think there's a strong case to be made that China being a viable (and much more preferrable/benign) alternative to the US/IMF for international funding is a good chunk of the reason. That said, it seems pretty hard to be certain at this point if they'd keep going as they are now or change tack into more exploitation. My guess is them continuing as they are now

@@SoggyPoridge ASEAN is also growing they can help China.

China is dependant on the West for a market.

Happy birthday 🎂

Happy Birthday

Happy birthday, birthday twin!

@@GarconTheGuy aye happy birthday!