Why dont highly influential lefties wear jeans? Jeans are fine for casual wear and theres nice jeans you can wear for semi formal things too. Theyve been a symbol of working class people for like 150 years and if you just wore a nice pair of jeans, boots or shoes and a polo, i feel like your average steel worker would feel much more comfortable coming to talk to you than if youre dressed like a military British boarding school dropout.
when my parents tried to help me get my first job when I was younger they had me in a full suit and tie with polished church shoes ... to apply to things like Waffle House. I got a call in less then a week when I stopped following their advice. Why should we be pressured to wear uncomfortable clothing in even the most non-chalant scenarios in public settings? What's 'professional' about these clothes other than its socially favored by crusty boomers in power? Why should I care about appeasing the general group of people trying to turn our nation into a Christian theocracy? I only have one thing for them, and it has nothing to do with clothing
"these weridos dressed like people are going to go out into the world and talk to other random weirdo people?" love ya T but something about this video just misses the mark on some level. Wonder if there has been any study on this. If you had a goofynerd like Vaush walk up and ask you questions about politics would you be more open to him rather than a guy dressing "professional" Im not really sure to be honest. Something feels "off" about this analysis. Not to mention as time progresses fashion idk changes? 50 years ago every white male dressed "professionally" and then america didnt suck as much now we wear pretty much whatever we want. Its going to continue to change until the end of time.
One of my biggest pet peeves is people who know nothing about fashion try to act like an authority on it when they have no ability to dress themselves whatsoever. Vaush dresses like someone who googled “Fashionable clothes for men” and started buying from the first site he found that wasn’t a mainstream outlet.
Tyler literally responded "yeah and I look good" when people pointed out he's wearing a cut off iron maiden T-shirt and then said that he has a hard time distinguishing between and remembering the names of different shades within colors. He's absolutely one of the people speaking on fashion who clearly knows nothing about it. I hate Vaush, too, but that doesn't mean everyone who hates Vaush also is right about everything. Tyler is super off base here and idk why more people aren't seeing it.
Idk man, I'm out in the world in the public for hours every day and this is just how people seem to dress now, period. Imagine Thought Slime in a suit, or khakis and a polo. It wouldn't look convincing; it would look like he was wearing a costume. It's also the middle of summer, and they're on foot, right? So I feel like practicality is a factor here, too... Idk maybe it's just because I'm poor so everyone I know looks like this all the time, but aside from some of them needing a bra, and maybe I'd ditch the gaphic tees, but otherwise I don't see an issue here.
@@westsidetyler in fact I have other comments on this video referencing specific things discussed in the video and everything. Did you respond to a single piece of substantive and specific criticism? I've seen you "wut"ing other commenters, and accusing people of ableism, but you seem to have no real interest in a conversation where the subject is critical of anything you've said.
@@westsidetyler I believe it is substantive enough to have written it, and I believe neither of your responses so far have made any effort to directly respond to what I'm saying. Not sure what else you expect me to say here, man. Your comments to criticism are all meta-comments. You've not actually discussed anything any of your critics are criticizing you for. Do you expect me to just not notice that? I don't know what other response you could possibly expect from this question, man. Pretend you're talking to my face, maybe, the next time you respond, because you seem way more sensible than this, and I think it might be the medium causing the problem here.
The tragic part is that, with the beard, Vaush could literally just get cargo shorts and a linen or waffle-knit henley and he'd be fine. Like. That's perfect for a skinny bearded dude.
You can wear whatever you want, but if you want to convince people of your cause, you need to dress to convince. First impression is very important. It’s hard to gain respect dressed as a clown.
Dude. Thank you. This crew looks like they're heading to comic con, not doing political canvasing. I think optics from an aesthetics point of view is undervalued in leftist circles.
Looking at them, it looks like a few of them would be fine for actually talking to people for a formal conversation, but the rest could get there with a quick trip to the salon/barber for a quick edge up and trading a few pieces of cloathing for something solid in color. As it stands, you can see them coming a mile away, and your average centrist/conservative will have assumptions about how the conversation will go before it starts. There's just a time and a place for certain things when your goal is to sway someone towards a whole different way of thinking.
I wear a lot of funky stuff along with band t-shirts, and I get wanting to look cool and be fun. However, even I know that you can't skimp on having some solid business casual clothing to bust out when it's time to look at least somewhat professional. Business casual doesn't have mean boring, but sometimes it's best to keep it simple.
Maybe they just dont want people to assume they're mormons/scientologists/jehovas witnesses. Thats what I assume of most professionally dressed people who try to talk to me on the street and all of those groups are considered annoying by the general public
Idealistically, they should be able to go around looking like the just went dumpster diving and it not detract from their message. Practically we form first impressions pretty much exclusively on visual appearance alone and in the first 7secs of an encounter
Parvenu is the French version of the word for someone that has recently gotten a lot of money but isn't aware/following the customs of the ~actual~ rich, including dress - the English one is just on the tip of my tongue but I can't think of it
I am very glad that I am not the only one who thinks these new pictures of Vaush looks weird/not good in these outfits. Hearing his fashion takes after seeing that outfit almost makes me lose faith in humanity.
Kind of reminds me of how Amelia Bloomer gradually stopped wearing trousers (or Bloomers) because she just found them to be distracting from her suffrage arguments.
I see the merits of the argumentation at a glance, but folks were beaten by cops, lynched by mobs, sprayed by water cannons, and had dogs sicced on them in their best clothes. It veers kind of close to respectability politics and those don't actually benefit people. From the unkempt homeless fella to the well-dressed immigrant, people aren't gonna like you if they don't like you. One's dress and demeanor are just protected paths of criticism that don't really stand up to scrutiny. Like, you do the blood sports™ thing. I can't imagine someone deconstructing a solid line of argumentation on the grounds it was impolite.
@@westsidetylermaybe you should stop replying to well thought out comments if you don't want to actually attempt to engage with them. Man, I thought I liked you, but I am realizing now we both just hate Vaush and likely have nothing else in common. So disappointing. :/
I always bring up the beastie boys (or a lot of cliques/bands for that matter) when i comes to the whole "uniforms and fashion amd progressive movements" thing because they litterally dress consistently and "uniformly" without neglecting the importance of how they want to be perceived. Obviously, "The Beastie Boyz" arent the greatest example ever of optics, but i think something that made them approachable in the first olace was the fact that they at least seemed to have an idea of there own ideas and you didnt have to look to deep to understand there POV Fashion is important, but i think people ignore the social importance in the name of expression, which doesnt have to happen and peiple are more than welcome to "be expressive" while still being mindful of the purpose of uniforms and outfitting in general.
I think he states it pretty clearly around the 13 minute mark. If you want to be an effective face of a movement, you have to look the part in order to get people to actually listen to what you have to say. You not only have to be credible, you have to look like it, and dressing more professionally does that.
@@khalidpatterson1422They are canvasing for votes, any ideas and political position needs to be drilled down to perfection before. You need to be presentabel to the general public to the degree that no one negatively effects the cause they are canvasing for.
@khalidpatterson1422 okay but you realize that no matter how good your ideas sound, first impression bias still exists and people won't give you time out of their day to voice those ideas if based on their visual assessment, you don't look like someone worth listening to on the subject. You can have a perfect sales pitch, but if your looks are preventing you from getting your foot in the door, it's damn near useless. You're saying we should remain ineffective in one way and improve this other way, when changing presentation is an extremely easy thing to do to yield better results, and we can still do the other things while looking more presentable to a wider audience
Disheveled is the best word for it I think. Yeah the outfits may look alt and cool but you’re gonna be knocking on Normie Norma’s door; you wanna look at least put together if not official.
You would have to sound "put together" if not "official" to match that look, though. Some of these people would have to have entirely different personalities to convince Normie Norma to listen to them. I really don't see this as constructive criticism. The criticism really seems to boil down to "people like this shouldn't be getting involved in politics". Like, it's very "wear a suit and cut your hair, then MAYBE I'll listen to you", and I just don't understand why anyone with progressive politics would respect such a request. It's bizarre and old fashioned. Sure, Normie Norma won't listen to Thought Slime in his CIA shirt, but if he knocked on my door in the middle of summer dressed in business appropriate attire, I wouldn't answer it. Does it matter that they're convincing to people like Norma more than people like me? And if so, why?
@@zenleeparadise A lot of people think that because for centuries fashion has been a way to show and solidify class divides. Sometimes to the point of it being illegal for anyone of a specific class to not wear anything "above their station". This also mixes with racism to create a pretty nasty eurocentric ideal. From clothes, to hair to accessories. It is normalised and ingrained in our society and a lot of people act on it without knowing. And when you point it out? Tyler's response isnt uncommon.
