Why do religious believers hate reality so much? 

The Simpsons were frikken brilliant... back when they were.

@David Parry _That cartoon described the Reformation and the Enlightenment_ Ah, well, that figures...you don't know history, either.

@David Parry Again, no argument, no evidence, no logic, no reason, no details, no explanation, no thought. No worries about what you say, then. Have fun, my Lord Vacuous.

@David Parry Imagine a David Perry who knew history. It wasn't 'questioning religious orthodoxy' (which orthodoxy? There are quite a number of them) that gained us 'a useable understanding of how reality works' (what do you mean, 'reality'?) We've had quite a 'usable' understanding ever since Aristotle, and the Church added to that. What you probably mean is the modern sciences, whose only advantage over the medieval Schoolmen is their measuring instruments' precision. The logic, use of evidence, and organization of interpretation passed directly to the sciences from the Church. _comparing it to the nonsense written in some 'bible' by ignorant peasants_ not that you showed that this is actually true, I note. _find reality is the only truth_ If you read the Bible, you'll find that you are agreeing with it on this. _and the bible is clearly wrong_ Again, you seem to leave out all that evidence that you appear to believe in, O man of faith. _even going so far as to allow us to make machines that allow us to discuss these very points down a wire and via satellite links through space._ Yes, the sciences are very useful. Limited, but useful in their way. _Imagine rejecting reality and clinging to the 'bible' instead_ One would have to imagine it, since it does not happen. your enthymeme has led you to a Hasty Generalization fallacy. _But you don't have to imagine that, do you MeE?_ No, I see it every time you post. You cling to a false Bible so that you may criticise something, but you are clinging. Good luck with that.

@David Parry _Did you just invent the 'No true Scot's bible fallacy'?_ No, I showed that you cannot read, as you proved by that question. You don't allow yourself to think, either.

I enjoyed the portion describing a god as an absentee spouse. I can’t think of an emptier existence than being bound emotionally or (anti) intellectually to religiosity. I always tell people, ‘I refuse to waste this life worrying about a next.’

Pls define good? Does it mean good looking?

Richard Montalban, moral or ethical obviously, if you are religious I can understand your confusion. Religion has yet to provide an objective moral or ethical framework for society that isn’t self serving - there is a clear exception to each and every Commandment.

@@grwolf272 oh you are intelligent above all! All you claim your so-called owned objective morality are ALL taken from the Bible.

Richard Montalban, unfortunately, you are blinded by your own hubris. My one commandment is to do no unnecessary harm, which I’m honest enough to admit not always following. Fortunately for me and others, my beliefs will never be used to control anyone.

Ease give us more science.

@Back25unday I can't tell if that other guy is trolling 😂

@@queenisrael8158 what is God?

Diane Athey Personal experiences and testimonies do not count as evidence unless they can be be verified. Many people have claimed to witness several things, should we automatically believe them? How can you determine that it is a true story? Because it gives you the feels and aligns with your belief system? That’s great and all, but if you’re trying to convince people of its validity, then a RU-vid video about someone’s personal experience isn’t going to convince anyone. This person may have seen hell, but we cannot truly know and should never say we do. There could be a different explanation for his experience. Truth is what we can demonstrate to be true and factual. I can tell everyone that I witnessed a pink unicorn, but you should never believe me unless I am able to truly convince you of that claim. There could be many explanations that haven’t been verified yet, but we should never jump to impossible, supernatural conclusions in order to make up for it. The fact that everyone has different experiences according to their beliefs, shows that just stating claims isn’t reliable. This person may have seen their version of hell, but someone could claim that it’s completely different from that. Who should we believe? Also, any god that creates a hell for those who don’t believe, worship, or love him is petty and corrupt. Not worth following in my opinion.

@@queenisrael8158..... How do u stay so nice and sound so psychotic?

The two emotions are different, but often causally related.

Well fear leads to anger and anger to hate...

Scared to face the void

@@lupa9527 true. They really are.

​@@Conan-Le-Cimmerien Fear does not necessarily lead to anger. If it does, that does not necessarily lead to hate. If it does lead to hate, it may not lead to hate against that which is feared.

Trademark that shit lol

Now that is eye opening

Make t-shirts with that on it.

LMAO. "Science" is an inanimate, immaterial, abstract concept that doesn't do any such thing. Reification logical fallacy.

I also see this, the more we find out, the deeper we get, the more we see that there is to know, I don't think the human mind is capable of understanding what there was without the big bang. I have listened to all I can find on it, some of the top people explaining how it can come from nothing, with no outside cause, but they start with space/time existing. Science has all knowledge, but we are still far from understanding all science.

That sounds like it would have been funny to watch.

Yeah. Then I got called a satan worshipper...

What is with these idiots? If I don't believe their god exists, why would I believe their boogeyman does? It just doesn't follow.

Yeah, i use that sometimes myself. kinda hilarious to pull the same shit they do. "I was there, and that;s not what happened!" "No you weren't." Prove i wasn't." fun :)

Roxor128 because the retarded bible sais that you either worship god or Satan. You worship god by playing life with his rules and you worship Satan by just living a normal “worldly” life. I choose Satan

That's fucking stupid

Yes, it's an elliptical orbit

I've heard both that Earth is slightly egg-shaped, perfectly round, flat on the poles and eliptical. Now I just don't know. I've also heard it's flat but that I DO know.

Oooh! Your teacher was a fucktard. I don't blame you for being mad about that. You were right.

What the actual fuck... 😯

I have a friend believer, and I tease him with obvious logical plot holes in his religion, ask questions he cannot answer without making shit up and denying reality, and finally I showed him AronRa Refuting the Irrefutable proof of god, and even this video, and all he did is watched 2 minutes and turned them off. He's far from a smart person, and he's definitely don't want any reality in his life.

Josue Olivas Earth isn't flat and I really don't think few like FEMA is gonna round is into concentration camps..

If you Jesus is an ark what is the water.

Aaron Ra is so far from reality, it is amazing that people actually believe what he says .But the Bible says that there will be a great turning away from God in the last days , so Aron is fullfilling biblical prophecy.

@@jessecane8390 if you did any real research you would find that christianity is a borrowed religion pilfering bits and bobs from others. Its predated and inherently dishonest.The bible is a jumble of moral fables. Nothing more nothong less.. You should research it but somehow I know you won't.

Ignorance is a point blank refusal to learn ,Ignorance is used by both sides ,We are both ignorant but one side is aware of it the other side refuses to learn

@Christopher Koester That claim actually makes no sense. It's like saying logic is illogical. It's a nonsense statement.

Prove it! Space X to the Apollo 11 landing site. Active Thermitic Material Found In The Dust Of The WTC Catastrophe. The Open Chemical Physics (Peer Reviewed) Journal, 2009, 2: 7-31 benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf

@Christopher Koester Quote mine. Give the entire statement.

So it's what you don't know.

“The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.” ― Benjamin Franklin

Maybe we should start referring to the Bible as "The Big Book Of Anti-Intellectualism"?

As a former Jew, and one well versed in the Torah, it has to do with knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL. As these were concepts, especially "evil" that God, in his perfect garden, didn't want his creations subjected to. Once man "knows" the evils of the world, he is susceptible to them. All that is b.s of course, but it's their way.

And keeps going throughout: Tower of Babel in a nutshell: God/A multitude of Gods depending on translation: Oh no, the humans are PEACEFULLY COEXISTING and WORKING TOGETHER TOWARDS A COMMON GOAL! If they keep this up... [and I quote...] "nothing will be impossible for them!" I'd better destroy it! *Who's the good guy in this story again?!*

I suspect that there was a far better Babylonian precursor to that silly story. The deadly Knowledge was Carnal Knowledge, and they found that It Was Good! That's why they hid those bits from God. But they had learned to Multiply, which of course is God's fault anyway, and that's why everybody has to die. So the problem is Arithmetic, not Sin.

'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance,baffle them with bullshit" , thats the saying.

The problem is people make up "facts" and interpret "facts" and twist "facts" until they no longer resemble the facts.

I kinda like the Aaron Ra quote: "Christians read between the lines and then forget the lines."

Now you mention it, it is a bit like Carlin - How sorely missed he is.

I think writing plays a big part in that. When you lay down your thoughts, you get to better understand them. In any case, it means I value researching and writing :-)

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Except that Carlin had a complete disregard for any opposing opinion, just like he criticised his opponents to have of him, which by his own standards makes his arguments irrelevant. Don't know this guy enough to make the same assertion.

@@TheREALSimagination Carlin didn't want to waste time on literal debate. The man was basically doing social commentary. ...and....trying to make folks laugh with it. So, basically...just because Carlin said it, doesn't mean he 100% heartfelt felt it/believed it...and therefore did not want to argue with others about it. That's why we kinda have to take Carlin's takes on things for what they are. Entertainment. If you want to try to find "knowledge" in it, cool....I guess. But I don't think the man was offering himself for public debates through his one man stand up specials. Also, in the end....he was kinda just doin' them because he owed the IRS.....or so I've read/heard anyways...

If people who believe they are chosen by God to be god's workers don't wise up to their fear and ego then their lack of participation in reality will harm us all by holding us back ,If you can fix something then fix it do not tell me your god will fix it and you do nothing that's not going to play any more

I recently became atheist and I'm honestly struggling with the concept of just being a speck in the vast universe. It was depressing at first, but now I want to make the most out of life.

@@CR-mc3jmyou can understand that you are meaningless as a grain of sand in the universe but that you are also the universe looking at himself as you are an irreductible part of it. I like to think of us, living things in general, as the universe becoming conscious of himself ....take this as a atheist spirituality ;) this infinity is beautiful as it is frightenning to us poor little finite things in an infinite universe (may be we don't know for sure ) .... you are free to give life the meaning you want as life may have no meaning at all (purposes or destiny , as to adore a god and play the game to have a sit in paradise) ....

I think they cannot handle the insecurity of not knowing everything they need to know to keep surviving forever .

@@CR-mc3jm Kammie, think of it this way. Try to imagine where you, or the material from which you are made, has been. Out in the universe, a component part of the stars, planets, moons and comets. Even just on the Earth bits of you will have lived as plants and other animals. Then think about where you'll go after death and when the Earth and everything on it is returned to the Great Universal Recycler. THERE'S your eternal life. Much more interesting than any imaginary heaven.

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I think that is the crux of it. i grew up in a religious household but pretty quickly gave up the faith after i moved out and went to college. point being, i can reason and it became clear once i was out of that environment that there is no god and that there is no need for god.

Religious belief is an arational belief that is not based on or governed by logical reasoning. There are plenty of illogical theists in the world.

Yeah, like that Aristotle guy. What a schmuck! And don't get me started on Isaac Newton. Pfft. Differential calculus my arse!

@@pattyb6003 Yep. That's smart guys, totally failing to apply their reason to the problem of their own faith. Step 1 is faith. That's the problem. You only need faith, if you don't have reasons.

Just recently I was informed (by someone who actually does think that way, too) that some people think that "science" is just some sort of arrogant way of believing stuff, and that "doing research" means you come up with some harebrained idea, put on a lab coat and tell it convincingly so people believe it. And whoever manages to convince the most people gets to teach his shit as reality. Kinda like thinking that reality is some sort of democratic system and what's "real" is simply what the majority believes is real.

Beautiful!

I am finding it increasing difficult to tolerate the intolerance of Christians in the U.S.

Welcome to the real world. Once you become an Atheist you really cant go back. You can't unlearn the facts.

@@zurianplays i have no idea why everyone think that religious people can't know reality. Every Christians person that i know accept big bang evolution and something

@@ekarus4360 but they still have a magic imaginary friend that grants wishes (if he feels like it) to those who belive in him, but you have to belive exactly right or you will make the imaginary man mad. If you do make him mad he will send you to be punished forever. Does that sound like reality?

@@barth9580 fair enough

@@ekarus4360 evolution and god just don’t compute… if evolution is real (and it is), there is really no place for god. God only makes sense if she created man especially. Actually, wouldn’t even make sense in that case. God is just a retarded idea.

Practical faith: Finding out that it's dad who puts the presents there, but knowing that as long as you pretend to believe in Santa, you're not required to buy any gifts for anyone yourself.

@@0x777 i think you are right there!

@LuthAMF What is "real" faith?

@LuthAMF Can I be present when you try Mark 11:24-25 or John 14:13-14? After all, Jesus never lied, did he?

@LuthAMF I don't know why you should think I wish you ill, the bible clearly talks about moving mountains, not drinking poison. Aside of that, I'm a bit confused now. I thought the controversy surrounding the longer/shorter ending of Mark is about whether or not the later verses of chapter 16 are or are not part of the gospel, what does it have to do with chapter 11?

Then they'll say but God is almighty and majestic he/she can do whatever he/she pleases 😑

Right, that argument always seemed fucking retarded. People say "something can't come from nothing" and then proceed to claim that "god" made something from nothing, because fuck logic.

@@graham1158 Bu- but god works in mysterious ways! Right? I love that cop out argument.

@surojeet chatterjee yeah no, that doesn't make any fucking sense.

@@graham1158 God created logic too dipshit.

Hail satan

Amen! If you want your life to be meaningful , lead someone to Christ . Christ is the ultimate meaning ! Life does not get better than a relationship with Jesus Christ. It drives atheists crazy that they cannot prove that we cannot have a relationship with a true and living God .

@@jessecane8390 athiests aren't driven crazy by anything. We just want to be nice. I don't buy into cults, they are scary. I'm nicer than any so called christian.

I am sure you are nice but what is your standard to determine what is nice ?Some of the most loving, caring people I know are Christians. But look at the comments by atheists on this post , the mocking, ridicule, of Christians ,the foul language. I don't follow cults either. I follow my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He is real whether you believe Him or not. I hope and pray that some day you will come to know Him .

@@jessecane8390 Yeah, every instinct tells me to stay away from cults. When I did a nativity play as a little kid and heard about Noah's flood, I never once thought people believed it. When I found out some people actually believed certain things in the bible I was shocked. I am rational. Even as a little kid I thought it was nonsensical. I feel bad for the indoctrinated. I just can't believe in magic.

Kenneth Schrank -- No. It actually means that you should not trust what you gain through your senses, preferring instead the dogma of your faith.

Good point. Admitting reality matters means admitting they and their family are gullible idiots who have been taken in by a con their entire lives... and nobody likes realizing THEY are the fool.

Rusty Rational people believe what they see, theists see what they believe.

@LuthAMF Unpack that Luth, thoughtless? Inbred? Scripted? Rhetoric? NO one seems to think it profound...you're so perceptive please enlighten us rubes. :

@LuthAMF

Is this a joke I’m missing out on or just a really bad argument? I am also an atheist and wanna know how dirt would turn into a human being but... why would it take all the dirt in the world to make one person?

It made me laugh 😄

Efence he’s talking about How god apparently turned animal skin(dust) into a human

@@efence4713 if you really wanna know I will tell you. Back when the earth had just formed the conditions were very harsh and cold and clouds of nitrogen oxides etc. hovered over the plant. The bolts of lighting formed by the clouds breaker those substances to form amino acids. The basic form of protein which marked the beginning of life. The rest is evolution. And the dust is just broken rocks. Nothing special there.

What a filthy mind.LOL

I don't see anything or anyone stopping you from believing what you want.

Or just pay in cash. The look of 'you have no credit' My response, "here's a check" Or at least I would if I wasn't a broke college student. . .

@@wickederebus At least having no credit is considered better than having bad credit.

I believe you are homosexual, live with your parents, and have no money. And you think you are normal. Yes I believe. You have no real estate agent. You also do not accept God. That is until your dying, then you will ask God to prove his existence. As if God has to prove anything to you. Have a good day, mate.

@@Art3615 . That is really silly. When I die, according to you I will meet your God, why then would I ask him to prove he exists if he is in front of me. However I might ask him why he is such a shit.

shoot I always considered Pokemon as a scholarly peer reviewed source...

@@The231447LucidDevTeam Certainly possible. I mean, the entire point of pokemon is to push the satanic agenda of evolution on kids. /s

@@divisiveamerica7764 That's the spirit!

That's actually not untrue. I grew up in a Christian family and for the longest time that's what I thought evolution was. It's sad but true.

Except that Pokemon is probably still more realistic and accurate than their fairy tale beliefs.

Nicht von dieser Welt of course resources territory but a primarily religious war is people fighting over who has the better imaginary friend

Sheogoraths Midget Collection Or like Star Wars fanatics arguing with Star Trek fanatics over which fictional universe is better: it can be an engaging pastime, but has no bearing on reality.

Sheogoraths Midget Collection PS: So, how is the Mad Daedra these days?

Nicht von dieser Welt Imi, war is _usually_ about resources. Sone wars really are about religion. Like the first(if memory serves) Crusade was about protecting Christians in the Holy Land from Mohammedan heathens and to take the Holy Land from them if possible. Not because the territory had vast resources, but because it was "holy".

Nicht von dieser Welt All the Crusafe history I learned says that in the first one, wealth and land was incidental, a happy addition, to cleansing the Holy Land of heathens for religious purposes. At the time, the Catholic Church was the richest most powerful organization in Europe and didn't order theCrusade for monetary reasons. Now this could be lies and history omits the true motivation, but my only point is that religion alone can make Crusaders march or terrorists fly into buildings. Not to play either ofus for fools. Of course most religious leaders use religion for gain.

" theology is a subject without a subject",, Thanks..

@LuthAMF Your whining = not a counterargument.

That must be the grandest title I've ever heard.

@LuthAMF Idiocy has nothing to do with religion. Unless you're in Muslim-Land. It just means you don't know politics.

@LuthAMF Spoken like a pridefully ignorant, lying dumbass!

Newspapers contain bacteria. Printing ink smelt like petroleum. Air produces sound -- no need to show evidence to prove its existence. Our eyes are unable to see the oxygen, but our lungs know its existence, so it is evidential fact.

LuthAMF I was trained at a Fundamental Baptist seminary in Pennsylvania and ordained in a conservative Evangelical church after I left the Fundamental Baptists. A few years later, I left Christianity altogether.

Good for you sir....!

Idiot LuthAMF! what is there not to detest in the idea of torturing a good man to death? Ceremonial barbecue is what I believe animal sacrifice usually was. The sons of Eli made a good thing out of it, AND lay with the women who gathered at the front of the tabernacle. But I agree with Shaw's tale of the cannibal who thought the burning of Saint Joan and not eating her was wasteful.

Frank289100 is the caps lock key broken? You are a moron. Period.

John Leone - Good for you! Welcome home, mate, where the thinkers live.

Beautifully Said...

You might enjoy the fiction writing of the late Sir Terry Pratchett.

Learjet66 Same here.

Yep. As soon as I realized that with only a half-baked knowledge of cosmology, geology and paleontology one could utterly debunk the Genesis creation narrative, the rest crumbled soon after. So at least Ken Ham is right about something: the answers really are in Genesis. But they're not what he thinks.

Took me a year or so to deconvert. Eventually i came to the conclusion that i no longer believed. It was kinda scary.

Much respect and love, it must have been hard, I didn't have those pressures myself but remember: John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. ;)

Moment Of Faith Wrong. Buddhist texts on religion far outdate the age of the Bible by over 1,000 years. Are you gonna become a Buddhist now? You are so full of shit, that it stopped being funny five hours ago. Link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-saaKnLX_qHU.html

That's how Trump supporters delude themselves.

Cameron Lorna Yes, and how many people delude themselves over many things. Like believing a certain dance will bring them rain, or just thinking about someone will make them call you, or wearing a special item of clothing will make their team win a game. People are superstitious, it is human nature, what is not natural is questioning your own beliefs, it takes practice and offers the rewards of being called cynical as well as infinite conflicts with naive and delusional people.

*No wonder they make you repeat the same crap every single church service HUNDREDS of times for DECADES until everyone sounds so monotone about it you'd swear they were zombies.* I could tell something was off for years but the sheer level of intricate brainwashing that goes into it makes you swear they were doing these things on purpose.

MegaChickenfish Exactly! Trump repeats his lies for the same reason, he may not have a high IQ or a good brain like he claims, but he is a genius at being a con artist and selling his lies. The people that buy his lies are the same ones being brainwashed at churches across the country.

Big lies are easier to sell that small ones. Simply because nobody would expect anyone to have the balls to tell such a huge tale.

You do (walk with brainwashed people).

Me too! There was a point in my life too, enough for me! I couldn't cope with the narc anymore! Jesus and jahve! It's the most shitty thing. It takes years to recover.

@Byron Kelly Good for you! A big help for me was to move, and, a lot of learning from RU-vid. Aron, Marilyn Winell, and many more. Religion is a really shitty thing to your brain! It's damaging! Listen also to Darrell Ray here on RU-vid! Best wishes to you!

"But, you need tensors and vector calculus if you want to quantum..." That's not what Melchizedek said after channeling Thoth!

Arealists.

Immediately before watching this, I was debating online with someone about conspiracy theories. This person understands the scientific method, concepts such as the burden of proof, how to form a hypothesis and test it, Occam's Razor, and all of that. However, is choosing to believe this impossible nonsense. Most of the first part applies to belief and believers in any unsupportable notion, especially the burden of proof, the "proof by verbosity" (AKA Gish Gallop), and realize they KNOW they're wrong.

Also known as delusion.

that my friend... is beautiful

Keep what you know to be true to your heart, you don't need somebody else's dogma to live a rich, rewarding life. You can be a good, honorable person without a book to tell you right from wrong. I will help anyone, I've even been shot chest for it, but I don't need dogma to tell what I should have done.

Damaged262 which religion are you referring to? If your talking about Christianity, it's not all about telling you what to do, it's about learning to live righteously and having a relationship with Christ, whom promised you eternal life after death

@@akeem4772 so controlling believers' lives with a promise of a better life to come. What evidence do you have of 'eternal life after death'-please don't cite the bible-that is the claim-I need corroborative evidence. Thanking you in anticipation of accomplishing something that has not been demonstrated in 2000 years.

@@brianharris7243 Well im not sure how telling people to be righteous is a bad thing, are you not obedient to your parents? Your asking for evidence without using the bible, but you see, ive studied ancient history and other religions. The bible is not just a book, its a documentation of history (his story). The events of the bible have even been documented in other cultures such as ancient china, other historical figures that are not even believers have mentioned people from the bible. Many historical artifacts and megaliths mentioned in the bible still stand today and are in most cases heavily guarded, such as The Rock of Horeb and the Ark of the Covenant. Do you believe Plato existed? or king Ramesses, Nimrod, Aristotle? because many historians do, and some of them are way more ancients then Jesus. The fact that he rose from the dead indicates that he was not lying when he promised eternal life. Christianity within itself isn't even a religion, all you have to do is know Christ and your saved, all other religions contain false gods, and the bible does explain where they came from.

Feels good huh?... It's so nice to not have that kinda weight while alive, when you will eventually drown...

Congrats. I did it at four. I figured out Santa wasn't real, and assumed that everything else my mother told me that I couldn't observe with my senses was also a lie. She's still devoutly religious.

@@iami3rian394 I hear you; I’m still in the closet though. My mother would go berserk if she knew about me. I’ve only told two friends that I can trust.

@@scottsmith2235 My mom want thrilled. She taught religion classes in a Christian school.

@@iami3rian394 Oh wow! My luck would be different. My mom believes in God and Jesus because of “feelings” she has had-and she doesn’t know single Bible scripture, but it’s all obviously true to her. She asks me about the Bible all the time, because I was a preacher and Bible teacher before learning the truth.

Atomic bombs that were created by physicists -- the characteristics of 'without compassion for misery or suffering' killed innocent civilians during World War II.

@@poplionandrew5803 I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Perhaps that scientists have no compassion. This is a huge and inaccurate generalisation- even for those that developed the A bomb. Many of those men called themselves Christians and even if they were atheists they had compassion. They acted out of defense for their countries and way of life. The A bomb forced the Japanese to surrender. They had already had their cities carpet bombed in the weeks before Hiroshima, killing a staggering number of people. far more infact than the 2 A bombings put togetehr. An invasion would have killed even more, Japanese and allied troops. The Japanese women threw themselves and their children off cliffs rather than be captives of the 'American devils'. The Christian concept of compassion and forgiveness is a fine one, but one even the most devout Christian nations seem unable to provide for their people and their neighbours.

They were the original 'flat-earthers'. These are just the same sort of 'intellectuals' that we already hold in high regard. /sarcasm.

Agreed. But I'd like them to NOT make it worse!

reality is what you make of it.

you blaspheme! How dare you infer that The Force is fictional!!

Your response to reality is what really counts in terms of quality of life. Meaning is ascribed. However, since we're animals, we're vulnerable to wanting to stick to a delusion in order to maintain comfort over an ugly truth

If you start with the premise that some people simply cannot handle the godless reality -- the cold infinitude of space, and the sheer expanse of possibility that it represents -- then you might prefer a society that reinforces a false reality that those people can believe in FALSELY...which is more palatable for them to handle emotionally and psychically. Those who want to look beyond the false reality can do so. But just like with the allegory of the cave that Plato wrote, problems happen when the one who ventures outside of the cave tries to come back inside and tell others what he's seen. In short, they'll likely want to kill him.

it may become increasingly difficult however that doesnt mean it doesnt happen. I practice my pagan beliefs but also I love science and would never refute science based on my religion. I love talking to atheists and I really do hate fundamentalists that will straight up rip out their eyeballs metaphorically so that you cannot show them the truth -.-

+Frank289100 Both your christian god and devil do not exist, I can assure you of that.

+Frank289100 You seem a little mad there, might wanna calm down. It sounds like you have a habit of demonizing people, which makes you a monster. Because you may be trying to hide it, but I know for a fact what that situation was, and that woman was just living, and you personify the devil onto her because she's a little different from the rest? Youre a pathetic monster. Also, it doesn;t stand to reason that if you and I exist, that something else resists because here watch this: Because you and I exist that means the flying spaghetti monster exists, and I know through devine revelation that he is the one, praise his holy sauciness. Get the fuck out of here with your hate. You have shown yourself to be a monster, and you disgust me.

Keep going loon your hole just gets deeper.

When what they pray for happens, it's "See, God does exist." When it doesn't, "God knows best, and getting this must not be important at this time." Or, "God works in mysterious ways."

Doing the same thing, over and over again and expect things to change. That is insanity.

Really depends on the kind of answer you expect to receive. If you do receive one, recognize it, tell your friend and they dismiss it, is it still an answer to your prayer?

Which proves what Dan Barker says, "Nothing fails like prayer!"

@@TheREALSimagination *Really depends on the kind of answer you expect to receive.* Any answer would be good, but gladly in all cases there is none;)

So True, And if God is the only reason we are 'righteous', then we are not being authentically righteous, and this will surface and may even be the reason we have mental health issues (depression/anxiety/stress/low self-esteem/addiction/narcissism, etc.) because it's related to having faulty, or negative beliefs and thinking about reality, for example, Racism/Lying about God, etc. In addition, this 'inauthenticity' is tied to a person's identity and their corresponding actions. Fix this, and we could probably do things like stopping smoking, etc. If God is the only reason so-called believers treat me with kindness, then they are probably also having issues with the above, and you will see how connected it is and what is stopping us from doing things like curing our depression or anxiety, etc.

I was nearly brainwashed by evolutionists into believing in Darwinist evolution by evolutionists using dishonest tactics . When i was 10 years old , i loved baseball . My dad would buy a newspaper every day and i would look at the box scores to see how many hits my 3 favorite players , Willie Mays , Roberto Clemente and Pete Rose had . One day , i read another part of the paper , the supposedly 4 step illustration from ape to man , and i didn't think much of it and thought it was probably true . Then a few years later , Jesus saved me and my eyes were opened and i saw the reality that Jesus is the truth and Darwin was a dangerous , lying SOB . They teach kids in public schools that they are animals , then some of the kids behave like animals and bring guns to school and kill others . We don't have that problem at our Fundamental Baptist K - thru 12th grade school . Our kids love and worship a living , loving Jesus , not a dead lying con man , snake oil salesman , finch molester and the son of the devil named Darwin. Jesus is the truth and he is alive today . Darwin , Marx , Hitler , Stalin , John Lennon , Charles Manson , Madalyn Murray O"Hair and Christopher Hitchens are dead . Our Fundamental Church , College and K - thru 12th grade School is what is good and great and right about America . Peace thru Jesus , our Lord God , savior and creator of the universe and life .

Don't you fear hell?

No, not anymore, because I've realized that there's no real good reason to believe it exits. Since I'm inclined to think you believe in it yourself, here's something to think about: why would an omnipotent, omnibenevolent deity create a place of eternal torture, for simply not believing in his existence? To think that this is just is to acknowledge that this god has a very warped sense of justice, for "sins" that amount to nothing that harms anyone or anything. Also, since the whole message behind sharing the gospel is to preach forgiveness, here's another question: why couldn't god just simply *forgive* humanity for literally anything he might find offensive, instead of making an elaborate plan spanning multiple millennia in which he sacrifices himself to himself in order to forgive us (as well as himself?) for "sins" he knew we'd commit before we even existed, yet did nothing to stop us from committing them in the first place. Hell is an idea made to influence others out of fear.

Nic Sanchez Believing it (hell) doesn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We have eyewitnesses.

That is true, belief doesn't prove existence or non existence. However, anyone making a positive claim must show evidence for it. As for eye witnesses, there are a number of things wrong. First, they don't all agree on what hell is like (or heaven for that matter). Second, brains deprived of oxygen and close to death will start doing some crazy stuff, and really can't be trusted to properly describe reality. Also, everything about a person that remotely resembles a "soul" or spirit" resides in the frontal lobe - get rid of that, and you have a husk that simple eats and breathes, which might suggest anything that you could consider to go on to experience hell is purely physical. Eye witnesses don't mean anything when it comes to dreams or delusions.

_"anyone making a positive claim must show evidence for it."_ Not really, when they claim with a belief. _" they don't all agree on what hell is like"_ The universe is huge, not everyone is going to the same location and not everyone is having the same sin. _"can't be trusted to properly describe reality."_ Not really, when you deal with smart intelligent people who were well aware of their experiences. Dreams and delusions are for the mental people to think it is. Experts know better.

I had some religious lady tell me something like that in 1980 and I said what the hell does that mean she said when you find God you will know this is the first time I thought about it cuz I just read it. PS I do know what she meant that's pretty sad. 😔

Right on!!!!

Well put.

Fear leads to anger... Anger leads to hate

Reality is uncertain. To be OK with reality, you have to be OK with uncertainty. Otherwise, if you want certainty, religion provides what reality cannot.

fear leads to hatred

Religion provides a false security at the most..

wrong . that is what y\you atheists do. nice projecting you are doing.

He's talking about how his followers should do all the anti-God stuff that the world does.

No evidence for god. No evidence for a Divine Jesus. No evidence that the Bible is true. What else do you have>

@@MrKit9 My testimony that I know that he, his divine son and Savior Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are real beings who watch over us, guide us if we wish to follow their directions, and love us. I've had numerous experiences of this throughout my life that I cannot deny, and I myself am an example of this on a personal level from around the period I was born, among other instances. I'm not telling you this to convince you there is a godhood, because only the Holy Spirit can do that. You asked what else I had after I simply explained a point in the Bible that seemed to confuse the other comment, and I'm giving you my take. Whether you believe it or not is up to you.

God loved the perfect word he created before the fall that messed things up. not this present mess he does not love.

@Steve John 10:29 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

@Steve hey the Christians love being persecuted.

​@Steve yes, they do, it makes them feel pious. They love turning the other cheek. You can only do that when someone has smacked the first cheek. In the early days the only way to get into heaven was to be martyred. then the church started offering tickets to heaven for cash. They were on to a winner there!

@Steve Did I meantion Christ? No, as a person, he was particularly blameless, it's those who came after I was talking about, but even then- corruption? I didn't say that either. No, that wasn't corruption that was openly and honestly promoted at one time as the only way into heaven. Yes, i did word it a bit cynically...perhaps 'entry by donation' is a better way to put it. That was a vast improvement on the earlier entry by martyrdom, don't you think? Otherwise everyone was supposed to wait in their graves until judgement day. It's nice that they changed it it to entry through confession (and a small donation) now. Some churches of course ask for tithes and milk their flock mercilessly, yes, I consider THAT to be corruption. But then perhaps they are still doing their flock a service, for is not the love of money the root of all evil? To be given the opportunity to give freely is a gift in itself. Many Christians are very charitable, kind people. All that does not take away from the undeniable fact that the Christian faith is built on martyrdom, sacrifice and forgiveness. All things useless without persecution.

@Steve ok, good argument, i will amend my position to some people calling themselves Christians enjoy persecution. others, not so much. In defense of the catholics, they did step up during the bubonic plague, many friars and priests helped sick people with total disregard for their own safety. During WWII as well, although i am sure your boys did as well.

@Steve It's called humor. Religion hates the non-religious. The worshiper always regrets that he is not the worshiped.

Arguing with a Creationist is like arguing with a Chicken. You can give as many good points as you want and show as much evidence as you want, but they'll not understand and leave thinking they're right.

@@sovietbot6708 But even a chicken wouldn't walk away thinking it's right.

Honestly, it's just a string of denouncement from both sides, so you'll probably fall off.

@@TheREALSimagination into "the lake of fire", right?

@@spybird5870 Likely just onto the floor, since I find it hard to imagine anyone having a lake of fire willingly inside their house.

Mason Nickerson I love how he redpills people

Moment Of Faith. Yeah, he totally looks like a Zombie Jew, who wants us to blindly follow and hate our Families while also bringing the apocalypse to slaughter billions and throw them into the Lake of Fire. I can see the resemblance!

Mason... Please check out the science in my playlist. The Holy Dopamine Ghost ru-vid.com/group/PLQATeZAnm87BaJjBtM1vMIq_gHRmBq3ie

Moment Of Faith. Clearly, you have never read your Bible, through The Impossible Flood Myth, the Horror Stories of The OT and NT. The insane Rape Laws (Deut 22), you're blessed if you smash your Children with rocks (Psalm 139:9), and the horrid Revelation, where Yashua is going to come back and destroy anything and everything. Here's that verse when Yashua tells people to Hate their Families. Luke 14:26 ""If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple." I bet you don't even know the Ten Commandments.

Moment Of Faith. Can you tell me the Genealogy of Yashua? How about who provoked Israel and struck down 70,000 People in 2st Samuel 24 and 1st Chronicles 21:1? What was Yashua born in, a House or a Troff? Who was at Yashua's Tomb when he rose from the Dead, and why don't we have any records of the Roman Population rising from the Dead too? Who is Satan in your Mythical World, God's Anger, a random Thought, or a Rebellious Angel? Which is it? Why don't you follow all the instructions of Yashua and God to the letter? It is said in Romans 2:13 "For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified." But now that commences a whole mess of other problems and contradictions.

With the availability of the Internet, Wikipedia, and RU-vid there is no excuse for clinging to Bronze Age fairy tales and tribal superstition.

@@ShayAviv1000 Can you please provide citations for what he got wrong?

Me to!

I might need to copy and paste what you said, someday... That's a perfect response.

Feel free. ;) The Walking Catfish is a really good example, because being an invasive species, they are spreading, and if nothing else, they are all over places like Florida, the home of many deniers.

There's the snakehead fish: "Not only can they breathe air, but they can also survive on land for up to four days, provided they are wet, and are known to migrate up to 400 metres (1/4 mile) on wet land to other bodies of water by wriggling with their body and fins."

Nice one, I had not seen that one yet. Thanks. Funny how a number of these are invasive species. lol. We can also add the Blemmy fish to that list, they are spending time on land to escape predators.

TheDevian, it's truly a frightening fish. Although the implications would probably frighten most Christians more than being in its vicinity ;)

@Christopher Koester Source?

@Christopher Koester no, it doesn’t “prove” that dinosaurs didn’t exist millions of years ago. It suggests that sometimes soft tissue or blood cells are preserved. One thing about nature, and things we discover, our findings may change due to additional information. This is how we continually discover new things, improve our understanding, and grow in knowledge and application of things we learn. There are very few things that will never change. Water will always be H2O, 1+1 will always be 2. Many other conclusions will change or improve as information is uncovered. We once thought protons, electrons were as small as it got. We have since discovered smaller.

@Christopher Koester They did not just "come up with" an explanation; they tested the premise of the explanation, demonstrating its plausibility. Also, the "soft tissue" only became soft after being processed and consisted of byproducts and structures, not cells and not DNA.

st. Joan of Arc- "god talks to me.", the word 'schizophrenia' comes to mind.

@Christopher Koester What a fucking load of horse shit!

Very true and although the bible writers didn't think that 2 + 2 = 5, they DID think that Pi = 3.

The LittleRock Clydesdale Sure. Nothing created something.

Explain "nothing" and what created the creator?

When has any scientist ever said nothing created something?

The LittleRock Clydesdale Biologist Richard.

If I didn't live in America, you'd have just pissed me off. Too bad I'm in the thick of that stupidity, yet I'll still be proud to be an American, because we may be run by bullshit, they've manipulated the voting system to cater to the few, the wealthy and left all us average people to go fuck ourselves and yet I served my nation, should they have needed me. Because I'm an American, broken as we are. They've even somehow convinced millions to vote against their own interests, not to mention Gerrymandering. I used to vote a ten minute walk round trip, but because of Gerrymandering, it would be a three hour walk. It took me an hour to go vote round trip on Tuesday, that shit ain't right in this country. Just saying, it's not all of our fault. They've been gaming the system, it should be illegal, but they have too many within the government. We're just a few years from the new Night of Long Knives.

Oh it makes it even worse. I hear from European religious nuts constantly that "there's nothing wrong with the way I do religion, you think I'm like those American nutters who are fanatic about their religion." It is the same problem. Depth of the delusion is equal. Europeans are just less noisy about their delusions.

@@Damaged262 never take this as an insult to you as an American citizen. You're probably a wonderful human being, as are most Americans I've met. What we fight against is idiotic ideas, anti-intellectualism, killing schools, predatory religious tactics etc. It just happens to be quite prevalent in America.

@@JayMaverick You'll get no argument from me about that. In fact, we're a beacon to cults that aren't tolerated in their own countries. They've tried to attack me because I was raised Catholic, like somehow I'm responsible for Catholics everywhere. I'd turned my back on that group of maniacs decades ago

+TheBushdoctor68: "People in general just aren't as smart as we like to think we are." ==It's not that they aren't smart. The spark of curiosity has died in them. Although some have obtained high score in physics, chemistry, math classes at school, what they do in their everyday life doesn't touch those subjects and they aren't interested in studying science. I was in university and in the computer lab someone asked me "Why do you study physics?". I said bc it is fun. He respond with "Fun?". Right now, this video discusses evolution and AronRa has some great videos about it, but aren't we watching these bc of the creationist none sense? Too many people are locked into their jobs and don't study science. They talk about politics or sports, but never science. "Americans have to realize that fanatic religious people are a rarity in other western countries." ==Oh yes. I'm in Canada and I have been checking out these american religious issues for 10 y now. Holy cow! It is nutty in the USA!

logical canuck I’m so, really so fucking familiar with the feeling you just described 😕 discussing with believers is really a waste of time. Even if you state so many logical and proven facts. They just be like: yes, you are right, but I will still continue to follow my belief. I don’t understand, I really don’t understand how in the 21 century, some people are really still that narrow minded and brainwashed.

Fantastic explanation. Thanks. When I was young I heard all about how discusting and bad the fallen world vas, how we have to endure this terrible pilgrimage and reject every pleasure because it was satan's temptations to us. The nonbelievers didn't have that problem because satan didn't wanted anybody to the truth. That's why he never bothered them. How come that the satan is only in the religious realm????. Religion really turn every thing upside down. Or should we call downside in to us. Greetings from Sweden Regina.

Here here!

@LuthAMF go ahead and send us a couple of examples

@LuthAMF so you're doing the Christian thing of not answering the question or proven your point but someone else is a hack? Like I said. Provide examples. All the sudden you seem to be acting like you have no examples.

I'd take them to Mexico 65 million years ago.

They would love that, drowning to death is a terrible way to die! Oh right, the flood never happened in reality!

LOL. They'll need seven fish and seven loaves to feed themselves.

I’d go back to their youth, convince them I’m an angel & tell them they’re infected by Satan so they shouldn’t reproduce.

dinosaurs are not 65 million years old

Now now what would Jesus do?

lol what a response, "johnloves" i won't even bother explaining that his joke actually proves the unfounded essence of your beliefs, since it went straight over your head to begin with...

MrMetalover666 your comment literally made me laugh out loud. Awesome come back

Dalton Bedore your comment made me convert to Christianity again /s

Dalton Bedore . Your comment made me jack off .. on your comment.

Did you fast for a week in the dessert first?

Atheist Clown lol!

No we don't. It's mindboggling

Captain Atheist I usually equate theology to those people who treat a fictional world (like that of star trek or wars) as if it were real and then apply logic from that assumption to make inferences and deductions. Theology starts from an unfounded premise (God X exists) and then extrapolates from there. Even _good_ theologians , who use logic well in their extrapolations, are starting from an unjustified premise. The bad ones, like William Lane Craig(who claims philosophy should serve theology) don't even use logic well to extrapolate.

So?

ExtantFrodo2 Just an observation. I like the sentiment and thought Twain deserved the credit, since he was first to publicly make it.

*"publicly"* And that's the kicker isn't it. Who knows where it really originated since writers don't only invent everything they write.

ExtantFrodo2 True that! :)

lol. You sound like that *one guy * that shows up in every comment section under every atheist-centric/science video.

@@barkYdarkATFB Or 12 YOs who keep thanking their personally preferred imaginary friend when a veterinarian heals a dog or cat in those pet videos...

@Wilbert Lek it was the “you can’t prove me wrong!! I WIN !!” that reminded me of the science-god screamers. I wouldn’t (knowingly) tell a 12 year old that it must have been their god that threw the kitten down the well in the first place. But if I did, there’s always a butthurt adult saying to let them believe whatever fucked up thing they want, and I’m the reason they can’t have nice things. 🙂¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Leprechauns and fairies exist, you can't prove me wrong... I win !.

Most Christians actually believe in evolution.

Hey Lexi I find that Richard Carrier Ph.D. gives a great professional analysis on the rudimentary fundamentals of various circumstances that very likely disprove the bible as credible.

Lexi Vorwartz if you are American its a brave act coming out be safe

Lexi Welcome to freedom luv.

Ask god to appear if he is real and wants to have a relationship.

You have an impersonal worldview in which everything is determined by your evolutionary chemical interactions. You live in a deterministic world that is void of meaning, logic and purpose. This speaker is inconsistent because he is claiming truth in which in his world view, truth is relative. He claims absolute truth but ultimately, he can be certain of nothing. He is a man who is fighting for people to turn from God. The reason we call him a warlock is because he doesn't even realize satan is controlling him. This man worships the universe and had no value in a deterministic world

But science doesn't handle the Truth. Science tries to describe reality. They deliver a picture, so our brain can handle it and we can talk about it. But if it is true ? I think a lot of our present day views will be replaced with better fitting ones.

science means truth, evolution means lie. true evolutionists think life slowly formed, they literally think heart waited for vein, blood... to evolve, brain for heart, lungs for nose, mouth for stomach. do u believe these people are this ignorant, they believe life survive waiting for what keep it alive, how can life survive w/o what keep it a live. they also illogical. evolutionists are people who think life is a thing, when life is coordination of many things which depend on each other to form one life, that means all must be present at once like bible teaches

THIS IS BRAVA You literally think everything was magically poofed into existence because the Buybull said so. Don't pretend to care about science, reason, evidence, logic, truth or reality.

*"they literally think heart waited for vein, blood... to evolve"* You need to sue your teachers for filling your head with crap.

Moment Of Faith Neither, the organs developed simultaneously.

The Bible supports a flat Earth to.

Trump is the. Chosen. One. A low life piece of crap.

@simon corbett - "a flat earth to....where" - to a "Convex" heaven and a "Concave" hell - wait a minute, or is it the other way around? Let me check my scripture - dang, all the verses keep imploding and exploding upon themselves!!!!! Oh well, at least I am intelligent enough to keep a "Flat" earth in perspective.

God exactly. Christians hate the “I believe in him when I see him” argument but they do the same thing lol.

Exactly, why should that argument only apply one way and not the other?

God Sorry, don't believe you exist. :) And it's no problem to watch evolution in progress. All you have to do is choose a species that has a very fast reproduction cycle, produces a lot of offspring and put it under a lot of evolutionary pressure. To make it ethical, try a species that supposedly doesn't feel pain. Or at least that's not fluffy and cute.

LuthAMF I have the impression that you expect a specific fish to turn into a specific ... whatever. I know that this strawman is common with religious to ridicule evolution, but this is akin to "so that wafer turns into god's flesh, eh? Then why does it still taste like bread"? What happens is that the offspring of anything living is slightly different than the predecessor. The traits that are beneficial in an environment will allow the ones to have that trait to survive, others will perish. Those that survive will have offspring. If the environment doesn't change, species don't change. You can actually test it yourself. Take a culture of bacteria and slowly, over the course of generations, change an environmental property. Make it hotter. Make it colder. If it wasn't so dangerous I'd say add antibiotics. Many will perish, those that happen to have had a mutation that is more beneficial for the new environment you created will multiply. THAT is evolution. Simple as that. It also happens in higher animals, but with generations that take months or even years and with literally millions of generations being required to actually see any relevant progress, you probably won't be alive anymore to see the outcome.

You still don't get it, do you? A particular cell will not change, the descendants are where the change happens.

I used to believe in evolution and millions of years. I have a degree in science from LSU. Studied both zoology and geology. I really never heard any other theories concerning origins. I finally opened my mind to the possibility that maybe Jesus was real and was telling the truth. Understanding the difference between observational science and historical science lead me to see that your axiom tends to bias your worldview. Type in folded mountains in Google images and see the world wide evidence of folded sedimentary rock layers bent to the extreme that can only be explained by all the layers being soft at the same time. Remember the rocks are sedimentary not metamorphic. Uniformitarianism is not a viable theory with so many anomalies world wide. Any comments about that ?

@@knightclan4 im sorry for your loss of grip on reality

I was gonna say Christians don't drink but then I recalled that mine and ... 3 other denominations keep to that guideline.