Why Do So Many People Hate Tears Of The Kingdom? 

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For a lot of Zelda fans it has less to do with the lack of speed run jank and more to do with a total dismissal of the lore.

It barely feels like a sequel to BotW, but it doesn't feel like a standalone game either.

I love ganondorf bossfight for your opposite reason. It feels personal you prepare for your entire journey just to fight this guy and the sages actually try to help you but get defeated in no time, this really makes you feel like the hero that is supposed to defeat him and the other thing that i loved is that ganondorf has a fighting style similar to yours so it feels like that you are fighting your true nemesis.

You know what really chaps my ass? In ToTK, I did the desert dungeon first and went "Oh boy, they really brought back the dungeons!" only to find out that was the only good one.

This started in a weird tone for me. I think TOTK has a LOT of problems, and I really mean it, but you main complaining at the start is about how janky BOTW runes were and TOTK is not? It doesn't even sound fair. I'm not a speedrunner, I really don't care about pulling off a wind bomb if I'm playing BOTW, that is just a glitch, I don't think I've ever cared to try. If your style of play is trying to break a game as much as possible that's fine, but the fact that you can't fly a boat at high speed with magnesis and skip a lot of content is not a reason why TOTK is bad.

As a fan of the lore, Eiji Aonuma coming out and admitting that there was no reason in particular for the Guardians, original shrine/towers and Devine Beasts being removed from TOTK is what made me stop playing it. They treated their own narrative as if it wasn't something that resonated with players when BOTW was still new and then acted confused when their lazy decision was met with criticism.

You know what my personal gripe is with totk? Exploration is gone, but not in the sense that it's the same map. In the sense that it's littered with stuff *everywhere*. I did a little test, I started from the same location in botw and totk, and just. Walked. I wanted to see if it would feel different, to see if I was crazy, and it was different! Botw has a lot of room to breathe. And while I understand that doesn't feel the most fun or exciting for players, it feels ESSENTIAL to exploration. Walking through the vast nothing, the open air- it's fun, it's relaxing personally, the perfect digital walk- And without that empty space it really doesn't feel like you're actually DISCOVERING anything, since there's always something every other step. You never *stop* discovering and it's exhausting. In totk you cannot walk 5 feet without encountering an enemy, a camp, something to build, something that falls on top of you- and so on and so on. Totk has too much going on personally, it feels overwhelming and yet it's all copy pasted. The sky island just litter the sky and I can't look at my pretty horizons without something blocking it. It feels like totk's world is build on "give the player as much dopamine as possible" and I hate that. Botw felt like a world. Empty but alive, breathing. Totk feels like a video game, and I do not care for it.

The intro to tears of the kingdom was better than the entire game up to the boss fight at the end. I was so hyped and ready for a true Zelda experience and then the real game started.

I find building to be kind of tedious. The Depths are straight up boring. The depths are my least favorite part of the game.

Bad story, bad lore continuity, underwhelming depths, sky island, and caves. Bad sidequests and repetitive side content, underwhelming rewards.

when i played totk the first time, once i left the gsi i assumed tutorial was over and everything else was suggests quests, like how going to kakariko first in botw wasn’t necessary. so instead of going to lookout landing immediately, i went to kakariko and hateno instead to see how they had changed. i assumed the paraglider simply wasn’t in the game. when i came across a skyview tower, i was confused on why i couldn’t open it. had to ask my sister what was wrong and ended in me having to backtrack back to where i started and go to lookout landing. it’s so small and so simple that really, it shouldn’t be an issue. but when that happened i was disappointed. i liked how in botw once you had exited tutorial space, you were free to do whatever you did or didn’t want to do

Totk: has a cool opening area with intense cutscenes, and cool visuals. Botw: I JUST WOKE UP IN A BATH TUB AFTER 100 YEARS :D

While I don't disagree that the movement system of TOTK is completely TRIVIALIZED by the usage of the hoverbike, I feel like you've sort of created an unfair comparison, because the Breath of the wild glitches are clearly not intended methods of play. While I agree that they make the game more fun I feel like the fact that these aren't in fact mechanics that exist by design works counter to your argument. You can't really argue that BOTW is a better designed game if the reason it was more fun is due to things that weren't actually designed into it. Yes again, the glitches are fun but I can't give credit to the game for an unintended feature. Maybe instead you could speak about how the glitches being fun highlighted something that should have been improved or fleshed out in TOTK but was instead ignored or taken steps back on. For example the item duplication glitch highlights the durability system, or how movement needed more methods of engagement.

If i had a nickle for ever hour + breakdown of why totk is disappointing I've watched in the last couple days. I'd have 2 nickles.

People hated the durability mechanic in BotW. Nintendo doubled down on it in TotK by making you build everything from durability items with limited use. Collecting parts just to burn them is a slog. Yes, crafting is fun, but then you're disincentivized by the work to collect the parts. So the core gameplay loop focuses on the most unfun aspect of BotW. And then... this story. This... ugh.

One additional point regarding the runes in BotW is they involve immediate interactivity with Link, the environment and the enemies you encounter. None of these runes require you to “stop” playing the game to use them, they’re a seamless aspect of playing and progressing the game. In stark contrast, the runes in TotK 100% require you to disengage with whatever you’re doing to use them, you have to stop playing a hack n slash open world adventure game and stand in one spot for a while to play an isolated open sandbox crafting game. TotK has a genre identity crisis, it failed to make the sandbox crafting elements truly integrate into the game’s primary genre. Likewise, all the new additions to the map and even all the old map alterations fail to match BotW’s formula of rewarding exploration with unique locations. Hyrule has barely changed and the sky islands and the depths are shallow copy and paste assets, exploration has no reward. As for the story, the memories in BotW always enhanced context of the immediate story the player was engaging in, they were inherently tied to the player’s main game goal of taking the Divine Beast’s back from Ganon in order to use them to defeat him, likewise obtaining a cathartic conclusion to the Champion’s fates. In TotK, the memories are a snippet of a story you have no agency in, they undermine the game’s narrative drive of finding out what happened to Zelda because that mystery is solved via passively watching memories, not by any action the player does. Even Zelda lacks agency in those cutscenes, the best way to explain those cutscenes is we the player are passively watching Link as he passively watches memories of Zelda passively watching events of the past. It is so disconnected from what the player’s objectives are throughout the game, even the four village missions are about helping NPCs with their village’s problems, your objective has nothing to do with the secret stones, you just get them at end of a dungeon. Getting those secret stones have no consequences to the story either, they do nothing with them other than to give an arbitrary “reason” for how you gained the the sage’s abilities, which is really weird when Ganondorf treated the acquisition of secret stones so important he was willing to feign submission to a foreign king and seek out the opportunity to murder Sonia just to get one, why doesn’t he try to get the rest of the secret stones? Why don’t the sages give Link a secret stone to improve his chances against Ganondorf? The plot is so damn sloppy… Totk is an amalgamation of ideas with no uniting through line like BotW did.

I dont mind anything else, but my BIGGEST issue is the complete lack of Link expressing emotions. Compare to all other games in the 3d era Link had big ranges of emotions, here is just stoic and surprised. No emotion when remembering his past no emotion when learning Zelda's fate, just...a doll.

This has truly been a zelda moment

I beat botw but didn't beat totk. But my main reason for loosing intrest is more to do with the world building. I played a LOT of botw, I finished 99% of the game. But the world lore and story is what got me hooked. Ultimately, that was my biggest issue with it; I WANTED more lore than what they had. So when TotK promised more I was excited... Until I started visiting old places. The game devs didn't want to isolate new players so they tried to keep the callbacks minimal... But that was the main problem. Key people knew Link and Zelda, it was stated they were traveling together for a few years. Yet everything you directly impacted was either glossed over or not addressed, AT ALL. People knew you through Zelda, but NOT for the quests you did in the first game. It really pulled me out of the immersion. I started to care less about story, and more about learning glitches to get ne through it, but that was around the time they were getting patched out. Eventually I just stopped playing all together. They made a world to get lost in, yet did vary little to bridge them together. You can bring horses from your botw file, so I don't understand why they couldn't add small flavor dialogue depending on how much you completed. There are ps2 games that did that better. Anyway great vid, there was only a small handful of things I didn't agree with, 10/10!

Pretty sure the reason ultra hand doesn't give you the ability to push objects like magnesis did is because that would also imply it could push around enemies. One of the key things about magnesis was that you could use it as a genuinely strong weapon that never breaks, but only if you happened to have a metal object nearby. With ultrahand hand you could use literally anything, so keeping this feature would've meant being able to handle every combat encounter by just telekinetically beating up whatever you see with boxes or tree trunks or that giant metal sphere you smuggled out of a shrine. I think something similar goes for recall as well: they removed the ability to freeze enemies because they buffed the ability to make it more puzzle friendly. When you pull it out, it immediately freezes time, so you have all the time in the world to plan out your next move. And unlike stasis, it has no cooldown whatsoever. There's no way they could've kept these features if it also worked on enemies, cause then link would just be an untouchable god of time who rewinds any enemy that looks at him funny. They had to pick between a balanced combat tool or a decent tool for solving puzzles, and they picked the latter. I _guess_ they did have the option to give it a cooldown specifically if it was used on enemies. But they also could have not made it where two fans and a steering stick trivializes all navigation in the game, so hindsight is 20/20 I guess, lol

I think TotK just proved that BotW was a fluke and they actually had no idea why it was as revolutionary as it actually was.

I feel like most of the people who don't like totk are just burned from botw and didn't played the game thinking " new game " but more like " botw dlc" and that made them think that "its just the same thing" when they didn't even treated it like a game

The more I’ve thought about it, there’s only so much you can do with Zonai vehicles if you want practicality, meanwhile I can spend hours driving around on the Master Cycle Zero and never get tired of it

I never liked BOTW and TOTK even furthered my disdain towards modern Zelda. Just isn't the series I fell in love with.

I would hardly call this game a masterpiece. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Even objectively speaking it has many obvious flaws and tons of continuity problems. It's decent for what it is. But not a masterpiece for a Zelda game at all

I perfectly agree with your sentiments about BotW's jank.Nobody I know understands the joy I get from breaking a game wide open and doing something unintended, and one of the things I LOVED about BotW was solving shrines with some stupid use of a stasis launch or something like that, and even solving them in a way the devs allowed felt unintentional. When I played TotK, I didn't have nearly as much fun with the shrines because all of the weird "unintended" solutions always felt like they knew that would happen, which ruins the fun, or are so boring that they ruin the shrines altogether (rocket shield). shooting myself underneath the water with ragdoll to skip a puzzle felt great, but using recall to bring a shrine orb back just felt cheap.

The depths almost stopped me playing the game 10 to 20 hours in. Various things frustrated me, and pushed me to go back to BotW to see if I truly did like it better, and I did, and for the same reason I loved it in the first place. It's been long enough, I've forgotten enough exact details, I enjoy just wandering around again, even after revisiting stuff in TotK just days to weeks earlier. Then I put down TotK long enough now, I'm not sure I'll ever go back to finish it.

I still play it every once and awhile. It’s fun to go around hyrule, talk to the people, gather stuff and sell it in shops, and more. I used to do that in botw once i did everything but now since totk released, i don’t touch botw anymore.

When it comes to runes, I think the difference for me is that botw’s runes weren’t really intended to be used in the really fun ways people ended up using them, like windbombing for example. And so it felt really cool to use them in interesting and unique ways. ToTK just gave us ultrahand because they saw the fun things people did with the other runes, and now it’s not fun anymore lol. Idk if that makes sense, it’s kinda like the difference between going out with your friends when your parents allowed it as a teenager vs just sneaking out. Both were fun, but it felt way cooler and more fun when you were doing it the “wrong” way.

Totk was my first zelda game ever and idk why i didnt jump in the games sooner, I had an amazing time 🙏🏻

Finally, someone says something about how clunky Ultra Hand is. I have literally never gotten past the sky island because I used Ultra Hand a few times and was like "Yeah, no. If this is a big draw of the game, I'm not interested because this is too frustrating for me." I'm sure it gets easier, but after contorting my hands a few times to get what I wanted, I was done with it.

We know you like well crafted stories, engaging puzzles, and intense boss battles, but wouldn't you rather glue a rock to a stick?

The other thing with Gloom Hands vs Guardians is that if you stay out of their range for long enough, the Hands will just get bored and poof out of existence, dropping some materials on their way out. Barely any input needed, they're just gone. Meanwhile if a Guardian sees you, it will keep chasing you to the ends of Hyrule unless you find a way to lose it.

I feel like when comparing the intros of the two games, even discounting the length, there’s still a big difference in how those tutorials play out. The great plateau has some tutorial text, but it feels a lot more open ended and emblematic of the spirit of the game. The great sky island feels like a linear track that has standard tutorials to figure out a solution. The great plateau feels like a vertical slice of the game, the great sky island feels like a big tutorial area.

a year after its release and avoiding spoilers as much as i can and i get the game… and i’m not even close to fully finishing the game.

I love totk. is that okay? it has its flaws, its hiccups, but as a GAME, it was such an enjoyable experience. as a ZELDA game i can’t speak on behalf of story and improvements because i’m not a veteran. I loved almost every second of the game to the very end, and seeing so many huge videos saying this game is a disgrace makes me feel like my standards are too low, and i’m not judging hard enough. but its safe to say that if i had a good time then it’s a good game. at least, for my standards

I don't know why people open these videos saying TotK is a masterpiece. That's like nepotism for entries in a video game franchise. So much of the game is re-used or undercooked. I think the highest I can give this game is a 7/10.

I just miss the traditional style. It was perfectly fine, and had plenty of room for innovation, so there was no reason to completely trash it like they did.

So what you're saying is, botw is better because it had more bugs that allowed you to skip a ton of the game?!?!

One thing most people fail to mention... music in BotW is overall better (and thus a lot was copied to TotK instead of making brand new music)....

Much of the problems of TOTK was that it was a sequel to BOTW. If we had gone straight from freaking Skyward Sword to this masterpiece of a game, literally nobody would be complaining or thinking it's lackluster. TOTK is a direct upgrade to BOTW, but some design decisions left us longing for what we got in BOTW. Definitely the most annoying aspect for me was the Sage powers. Riju's lightning ability was meant to be used from range to add lightning to an attack (but you could do that yourself by attaching lightning items to your arrows), but you had to WALK UP TO HER every time? That defeats the purpose in my opinion. I didn't even use her ability to defeat the boss of the desert temple, I just used elemental attacks that I personally put on my weapons.

I'm glad to see you put this out after you threw the idea out there a little while back. I'm really impressed with the scripting and editing here. Boomie zoomies

I COULD go back and 100% this game, but I just don’t feel like it. That might be laziness, but there’s something just so bland about it currently. It’s like BOTW with new features, and I’ve already played enough of that game.

Judging by the comments section this will be a very hot take, but I firmly disagree with you. I am seeing a lot of similar videos to yours pop up recently, but I don't have the means to make a proper response video so here is an extremely long written response: Personally one of the reasons why I very much enjoyed tears over breath was directly related to the lack of guardians. Yes you can parry their lasers, but not only is it not obvious, its not the easiest without practice. 99.999999% of people are not going to sit there and practice parrying guardians meaningfully early in the game, especially because as you said going for a parry is a huge risk. As you said they were designed to instill panic and be avoid early on, I and I firmly believe that detracts and directly undermines the rest of the game experience. The guardians were CLEARLY and FREQUENTLY used to gatekeep areas of the map. Functionally they are placed in areas to ensure that the player either has the tools or the skills required to progress. Breath of the wild desperately wants to be the game known for adventure and exploration but keeps getting in the way of itself by way of guardians and malice. Even if you have the tools or skills to deal with them, when you are just in trying to explore and that laser shows up on your back I constantly found myself being frankly annoyed. You said that you found fighting multiple guardians really fun "because of a simple exploit" (time = 55:22) but I don't think it reflects positively on the design of a game that using an exploit that the vast majority of people are not going to be aware of during there first (and for most people only) time playing the game. I don't think there is anything wrong in finding enjoyment via game exploits (in single player games), but when approaching the game with the intent to engage with the designed experience and mechanics earnestly I found guardians (especially when plural) just a pain in the rear. To me at least, Gloom hands felt far more in line with previous zelda games (there are very similar enemies in older games), and I found the hands way more manageable while engaging in traditional combat. Putting some space here just to make this part more obvious, but gloom hands are SUPER easy to deal with if you use dazzle fruit or muddle buds (the plants that create light). I also really appreciated the lack of ranged attacks, as the area that the hands were active threats (and potentially annoying) were much smaller than the guardians. I will give you its not great that the hands come out of literally nowhere though, but there were many times where I felt like the same might as well be the case with how the guardians could spot link from insane distances. I disagree about them being less interesting or cool but that is subjective. I honestly found more enjoyment exploring Elden Ring, where much more difficult encounters gatekept areas, than I did exploring in breath of the wild. In Elden Ring for instance, despite more challenging speedbumps existing in the way of exploration, it worked and didn't take away from my experience because they didn't demand my attention incessantly or forcefully and abruptly change the pace of the game. Having to deal with sniper tracking me isn't conducive to me having the freedom to explore without bounds, it just made exploring, often the most interesting places, a chore in an otherwise quite relaxed game. Playing Tears I felt way more free to explore without contrived gatekeepers even if there was definitely environmental gatekeeping of exploration. Having the ability to use the sky to avoid having to tediously climb constantly (because lets be honest climbing is boring and tedious and essentially filler content unless you are really into exploring the same bland textures over and over again) and allowed me to have more freedom to engage with exploring in a way I was more interested in. With the abilities (runes) or whatever you want to call them. I found the breath of the wild abilities extremely underwhelming, clunky, and tedious when trying to engage with them in earnest. Especially compared to how items were used in previous games. A lot of your fun stemmed from "breaking" the game to address shortcomings in the intended design of the game. I actually feel that the abilities in TotK actually severely hurt the potential of the game, because I felt that it was very evident that the gave the player too much freedom and the developers struggled to create tailored experiences around them. I truly felt the game was at the best when link was restricted (be it the glimmer of potential in the lightning temple, or the proving grounds), but the abilities clearly flew in the face of this. Both were tedious and clunky. The sage stuff is better in botw, I will give you that. I still enjoyed exploring the sky Islands. Yeah there could have been more to do. Maybe my expectations were more tempered than most but its still better than a complete lack of them in BotW imo. On your point of exploration, and the returning to Hyrule, I enjoyed it because I could go explore at my own pace on my own terms. I was honestly rather disappointed with BotW exploration because of how tedious it was and how sparsely populated the world was. Tears not only managed to add more to the world but it also made the existing content feel more full. I agree that the tutorial shrines were poorly executed in ToTK, but I found literally all of the shrines in BoTW tedious and clunky. While cheesable in ToTK, I found the puzzle shrines fare more enjoyable as they were more open ended and less prescribed (the thing that botw is supposed to be all about). While I by no means believe that TotK actually succeeded in capturing the magic of classic zelda dungeons(the water temple was especially bad), I am just going to have to hard disagree on everything you said besides the lead up to the temples being better. You didn't say it but I will give it to you that the cutscenes after beating the divine beasts are miles better than the repeated cutscene after each temple. I believe the temples and their bosses were overall much better than the divine beasts. As for the story, I organically only stumbled upon a single extra memory in BotW my first time playing. So for me, the BotW story was essencially non-existent, and TotK was miles better. That said they could have done so many things better with the TotK story. There's no reason why they couldn't have had the cutscenes play in chronological (LOGICAL) order regardless of which one you picked up. Link discovering where zelda was could have, and should have, easily had a much greater influence on the ingame dialog. It was very strange to have important npcs ask about her and be left in the dark. Again though, I genuienly didn't organically encounter the BotW memories, because it functionally doesn't exist within the structure of the game without going out of your way to look for them. So in my books TotK's horribly implemented story was better than BotW's hidden story. I hate calamity ganon, I find him un-inspired, and he reeks of a rushed game. He feels like he's an amalgamation of all the bosses because he is...BECAUSE he's the only real boss. I personally feel like the final bosses of ToTK are some of the best final bosses of any games, let alone Zelda games. Clearly unintentional and obscure movement tech that breaks the game isn't something I think BotW deserves praise for. Don't get me wrong I am not saying I don't think it is fun. But is a game really a better game because it is broken in a way that only one in a million players would notice playing the game without the internet. So many people who play a ton of BotW do it because they like the Movement tech, but how many of them would realistically have encountered the movement tech without youtube? Using it, especially on a first play through, makes me feel like im not honestly engaging with the mechanics of the game, or having a genuine experience. You, yourself said that the methods to exploit botw are " so outlandish that how on earth would someone discover them while playing the game casually" and that is the crux of my issue with it. I just want to play Zelda casually. I love the series and I go into every game starting with the intention of engaging with the intended experience. The intended experience of TotK was just much better in my opinion. Really, tears just was a better breath of the wild for me. I do have complaints about the narrative structure, the dungeons, the menus, but nothing I don't also have complaints about for botw.

I recently wanted to replay TOTK and got bored so so quickly. I loved the game during my first playthrough but dreaded it in my second. It was so hard to be motivated to replay it. This is just me, but the biggest deterrent is the reward system. Any time I come across a chest, all I get is a lump of perishable items that go into my inventory filled with the same stuff. I never anticipate finding anything interesting. I almost never find something I don't already have or anything I actually need. The weapons fusion is more of the same. I can kill an enemy for its cool fuse material only to have it break in a few hits. Lastly, considering how zonai building is such a core mechanic, it is such a grind to upgrade the battery enough to not need to wait every few seconds to recharge. Booting up TOTK just makes me think of all the grinding I have to do just to get the ball rolling. The one thing I did think was cool was that the paraglider is semi-optional. You aren't handed it like in BOTW, and I deliberately avoided getting it for as long as possible. That was a bit of fun for me.

i missed the paraglider (cuz i refused to go to the landing site) and played the first 5 hours running around without it. You guys needs to try that 🤣

Hold up how did you have trouble running totk on the switch I never had that problem it didn't even lag for me all tho I did spend most of my running around in caves or the depths

I agree with a lot of the points you made, after the initial hype phase wore off I quickly came to realize that I preferred Botw much more and think it’s better than Totk. That said there are actually two points that stood out to me that I disagree with, the Geoglyphes and the End Boss. I despise the Geoglyphes indicating the place to obtain the memories. Having to find out where exactly those photos for the memories were taken was part of the fun for me in Botw and if I ever had trouble finding one there was Pikango to hint me in the right direction. The Geoglyphes on the other hand just kinda felt like a checklist to me since they were so easy to find and reach. There is also no reason as to why they are exactly located where they are, or why the Geoglyphes formed around the tears (Or I missed something?). With the End Boss, I do like the fight against Ganondorf more. When I played Botw I put off fighting Calamity Ganon for a long while, because well I was sure it’s gonna be hard as it’s the last challenge. Yet when I finally faced him I felt so let down actually, it just felt way too easy and not because I was just that good but because he felt so weak. I had more trouble with the Thunderblight Ganon than the final fight of the game. Now I have my issues with Totk’s final fight as well, mainly the lead up because like you I was super unprepared. In fact I had no idea you could cook something to heal your broken hearts, so there I was having made my way through all that trouble just to eventually have to reload a previous save so I can even leave and come back later. But the fight itself felt like the proper last challenge, unlike Calamity Ganon, Ganondorf was a proper match to Link. He now was back to his prime and of sound-mind, an opponent not just a big huge threat. Besides that though my opinion barely differs. I was actually surprised to hear someone else prefer the “Dungeons” of Botw more than those of Totk. Usually that is one of the few points the majority agrees upon that Totk did better. Yet for me they are not improved enough to say that I like them more than the Divine Beasts and in comparison those also made more sense in the story than what we got now with the Temple.

Regarding damage to the guardians being a random number, it's because of the armour and shield you are using in the clip. Can't remember if the armour buffs ancient weapons or debuffs the guardian or both. Using a bokoblin shield and wearing the climbing gear (for example) will do 500 dmg 👍🏻

The biggest issue of totk is that, without glitches and cheats, you need to farm ENDLESSLY. And the lore

I wouldn’t say BOTW is better either. That game suffers from some of the same issues TOTK does. Fact of the matter is they are good games just bad Zelda games.

I 100% breath of the wild. This I did the main dungeons. Like 10% of the depths (absolutely despised every moment of it) and even less of the sky island. Maybe did 20 shrines. A few side quests. Put it down and never touched it again. I'll take a good game with a solid narrative and great puzzles over the ultra hand thing any day. It was cool in the beginning. Lost interest half way through.

50:20 i can think of another example! cynthia, from pokemon diamond/pearl/platinum! the piano before her battle is so iconic that just playing it makes most pokemon players instantly filled with anxiety xD

At 13:09 I knew that I’m the exact botw nerd that this video was made for, when you mentioned windbombing for movement I got so excited cause that’s exactly what I’ve been saying. Totk could have been a lot more fun, If it wasn’t so anti glitches, cause it really feels like they saw all of the glitches in botw and made sure they wouldn’t be possible at all, even if it was at the detriment of practically like the ultra hand not being able to move objects with objects on top of them

Can any BOTW heads in comments determine if the zonai were retconned or not? Was it ever mentioned that the zonai came from the sky in BOTW? I had doubts about TOTK as SOON as they mentioned in the intro that the zonai came from the sky and i want to know if that was somehthing they retconned or somethong i just missed

I love ToTK to goddamn death but I always said while playing that it felt more like a definitive edition of BOTW rather than a full-on sequel. I just feel like ToTK is currently suffering from the issue that a lot of Zelda games have where it’s gassed for like a year and then later on people suddenly think "Damn, this sucks..", I’ve seen it happen a lot in the past. But I still think it’s a masterpiece regardless of how many video essays I see saying otherwise. (STOP ARGUING IN THE COMMENTS, DAMN)

The magnesis infinite mass thing is not even intentional AFAIK, or at least not meant to be used. It only works when the object you're carrying is physically touching the thing youre walking into. It is true however that magnesis gives things actual mass, which makes everything less tedious. Also boomerangs have infinite mass by themselves, idk if you knew that but its fun to abuse

There was gonna be way more diversity in the sky islands and they had wayy more islands in the dky area of the map but the devs were told to remove a lot of the islands for a reason i forget

I would disagree with not having gloom food for the final fight. If the player followed the direct story path the gloom system is well and overly explained and anti gloom food shows up in a few quests as an component and reward the fact that the final charge take place in the depths is more than enough warning to expect the player to bring gloom healing food if they want that option available and if someone beelines to the finish then not having that resources is part of the challenge they are looking for.

I've played TotK almost every day since it came out. It brings me so much peace and happiness tbh.

I think that for the vast majority of people your favorite in the Duology of BOTW and TOTK is gonna be whichever one you play first. I think that if the Depths had actual things to do in them, that would have made the game interesting since there would be an interesting new map to explore, but the only thing to find is auto build, but there's nothing interesting going on otherwise.

thank you for this video, Imma go back to playing relics then (which I know you're pbbly also playing, I recognise that mkII ancient shield)

"On the fucking contrary." -beaver guy from max tennyson's UK simulator review. I loved the video, but if I really liked it, I wouldn't have to preface that I loved it, or even make a comment about it. I want to talk about some of the criticism that was mentioned in the video, because there are some issues with the game that are 100% true (like I feel progression needs a guide to have the best experience, something to get players into the new machanics with a surplus of materials for them), but there were only a handful that were valid. I suppose I should rant in order of parts. Part 1: I think this is correct for the wrong reason, TOTK is a better game but to enjoy it, you should play BOTW. BOTW was all about the freedom of the game, it was amazing in what it did, but to expect TOTK to have the same experience on the same map, or even a better one, is just wrong. TOTK is more about sandbox-ing the game that BOTW was, and it succeeded. Part 2: I don't usually play on different save files so I wouldn't know much about replayability from the beginning of a game, but I think TOTK's was better because I wasn't feeling exploring the same map, so extending the tutorial was fine with me. Part 3 & 4: TOTK's runes are a staple of the game, whereas BOTW's solve niche issues with exploration. Although TOTK's ascend and recall essentially do that too, in those situations, you were provided with solutions to problems that would be very annoying if recreated in BOTW, (1st game doesn't have the bird goat). Part 5: yeah this entire section is true. I know what the team was trying for, but the lack of power from the sages makes me ponder if I should've saved the other 3 (4) after Tulin. Part 6 & 7: I think the sky islands and depths are great because they add the situation of finding out the uses of the new zonai devices, but also in such a new experience that it's easily the most memorable part of the game. I understand where linguini is coming from when it comes to content from each one, it's just that the games discreetly changed categories, which answers what I think of part 8, besides the caves. The caves are cool to find, just extremely annoying to do so, so much so that they needed to add a mechanic just so you could find it. Now, that's not to jab at TOTK because we all know that if it was a situation in BOTW, there would be no help rather than a little mechanic. I just wanted to point it out as the improvement of a guide being minuscule. Part 9: Yeah, the tutorial shrine bit is true. But I enjoy the tests of combat (forgot the name) where you are taught to utilize scarce weapons and elements of combat like BOTW did with the master sword trials, except it was way more fun to do so with the game's new mechanics, (context, I threw an apple behind an enemy and snuck up behind him for a sneakstrike. 10/10 would isasc newton again). Part 10: The dungeons themselves are not enjoyable to me, I liked the progression to the dungeons and the bosses more, which seem to be what the devs liked more about them too, because yiu can refight bosses in the depths, and the path feels refurbished. Part 11: Guardians - why they succeed: these enemies directly combat the sense of freedom the player has in BOTW. For example, you can't flurry rush a guardian- in vanilla- and if you want to beat them, you have to exploit their o n l y weakness, (well i guess the legs can be another one, but its very clear that the eye is their only weakness.) And as for the gloom hands, they do the same thing guardians do, just in a different sense because if guardians were in TOTK, they wouldn't stand a chance against zonai devices. Also I'm pretty sure the gloom hands are supposed to be fought using zonai equipment, and the only reason people, myself included, feel like the way to beat them is you HAVE to use arrows, is because of how discarded zonai fusions are. They take up a spot in your inventory, which wouldn't be a problem, IF they had good durability. You can get armor that increases the effectiveness of them, but it's really out of the way to do so, because it's on a random sky island, whereas the skydiving armor is in distinct sky islands. Part 12: if im being real, TOTK had a better story imo because zelda is in the intro which means she's finally in my hands whereas I played through the entirety of BOTW to just have her be the one hot cashier I saw that one time and can only make fake scenarios of in my mind. Ok the previous statement is exaggerated, but it still felt way more intertwined eith the story than BOTW because I could actually play with the lore integral people than have them be consistently ghosts, those may seem the same, but I see the sages more as stands than evil spirits. Part 13: yeah the gloom part is true. They should've put more info on the new mechanics, have one of my sages say "hey dumbass make sure you have sun percs." As for the boss, the part about the ganon clones and sages are the same as calamity ganon losing half his HP for playing the game. I wanted to test my strength against a full strength boss too, especially in the game that is getting less flak than its successor. The part about imagine dragons is true. Part 14/15: Although I would've ignored this section because I like glitches and the raw enjoyment of a game's intented and unintended mechanics too, I'll use it to defend TOTK to the best of my ability. Movement boiling down to using the hover bike is certainly a mindset. I would've supported it if was mentioned that you just spam Tulin, but there's elements of combat potential that get missed out if you only use ultrahand and autobuild for the hover bike. For extended travel, yeah I might use a hover bike, but for something that's close to me, I'm doing the most random shit possible to get from point A to point B. The sandbox-ing is what makes the game, it wasn't really focused on freedom of exploration, but freedom of execution. Part 15: I never had TOTK take more than a minute personally, but the depths sometimes having to load is real. Outro-take: this is where I differ, TOTK was a game of all time, the experience is what msde it so memorable. For it to be a BOTW 2: Electric Boogaloo, I would not have enjoyed it as much. Although they could have certainly expanded on where BOTW left in terms of quality, I feel like it's fine where it is. It's a new experience, different from BOTW, but same in the replayability. I really hate that I have to leave it off with an IGN-ass review of "it has a little something for everyone," but it's slightly true. If you want a BOTW exploration freedom, replay BOTW. But if you want a BOTW creative freedom, play TOTK. Finally, thank you linguini for making this video. It has shows the key differences in each game and why people might've disliked it when it was supposed to be BOTW's successor. The video has too much water though, 7.7/10

What is this???? a non Ultrakill video???? IN MY LINGUINI?

I'm not particularly into Zelda games, but I really enjoyed watching this video. Both of your longer form videos have been incredible and born from nothing but passion. Thanks for making them :)

I'm about 20 minutes in and I don't know if I like the Argumentation for the runes, since the main positive aspect for pretty much every BotW rune is a glitch... look at the runes without any glitches and you'll find TotK's runes much more useful. Especially when you look at the intended possibilities you have with the Zonai parts. I understand the positive points, but I think they shouldn't be valid points for the BotW runes as they are glitches. That's just my opinion though, everything else so far is very understandable Edit: Okay, I never thought about Recall on enemies, this actually would be so cool. Another point where I just wish for a TotK DLC because in BotW you could upgrade the abilities and I think that would work so well with the TotK abilities, especially with rewinding enemies. This could serve for so many funny moments!

I also HATE the Weapon Durability Shit. They should have NEVER added it in BotW and TotK.

The runes in botw always felt lacking to me. Using magnesis would make me wonder what would it be like using it on any item (like ultrahand). Classic bombs were always cooller (i dont care about speedrun glitches). Cryonis was pretty niche, most of the time just for crossing rivers. Stasis was cool, but also lackluster. Dont get me wrong, the work pretty well for the game, but it felt like it needed an oomph.

you can also deal with the gloom hands by flury rushing them and spamming bomb arrows

It’s a sequel/ending that doesn’t want to be a sequel/ending. It fails at its entire purpose, just to make the same game but worse after 6 years. Not 1 year, not 3 years, 6 years of wasting time caring about this game. Majora is a Sequel. TOTK is a Master quest. TOTK failed at being an ending/Sequel. Trailers for this game have more of a deep story, than the actual game. Cause all it does it retcon BOTW story beats to put in goat people, and mcguffins. Not stuff from BOTW like the Sheika, or Fi.

Why I hate totk . 1. Waited 6 years to use the same map 2. Combat system is exactly the same after 6 years 3. Story is ass 4. Side missions suck 5. Npcs are boring and have no improvements from how they speak or interact with link 6. Sky islands are empty and the deep is just dark 7. I waited 6 years for a game that’s inferior to botw in every way .

I just got bored. Every weapon broke after a few hits and did no damage unless fused which made them more fragile. Like building was fun but having having to farm those crystals legit was too much.

Good video - it was a real change of pace from your usual ultrakill content, but out of nowhere it's a very well put together essay. Also I only ever got past the intro of TotK - I didn't have the time to play it for a bit but after that just never felt the need to pick it back up. boomie zoomies

I would have appreciated a tutorial shrine for the bullet time thing. I only found it accidentally hours after starting because my knee bumped the ZR button while gliding. I'm sure some people would say that was my unique experience and I should treasure it because blah blah freedom but I like to at least know the basic functions of a game when I start playing. I miss instruction booklets....

i just kinda hate this game so much. im happy for anyone who enjoyed it, but i felt so insulted by it.

You know, I had a thought. Remember when Nintendo wanted to make an Ocarina of Time sequel where they'd reshuffle the dungeons? Tears of the Kingdom is like that in a sense. You have the same map and go to the same dungeon locations and interact with a lot of the same characters. The same map is the biggest issue from what I've seen. The exploration is less exciting when it's all the same. And the Depths and Sky Islands are unnecessary other than the tutorial and final fight. Also, this is a personal issue, but what the HELL happened to all the Shieka tech? Where are the towers? The shrines? The guardians? It's like they were all just erased from the map. I would've liked to see hints of them, at least. Maybe some construction taking down the Shieka towers, or the shrines having been destroyed or deactivated in various ways (I mean with everything falling from the sky, that's a really good reason to have a bunch of them crushed). I'm sure there's some dialogue somewhere in the game explaining where it all went, but I'd like to actually _see_ it. Another thing I personally have a problem with is the conclusion. I really really don't like that Link gets his arm back and Zelda is a human again. It just erases the permanence of what happened to them.

how do you get so many ads on one video

Shrines, I don't understand why they couldn't just make a few asset sets, so at least they varied a little bit by region. Who the hell can remember which shrine is which? There was that one with sand in it, that was kinda cool, I remember that one cause it was different.

Tbh, I was gonna say a rant about this in the comments, but a lot of things I actually agree with. Besides the dungeons How to beat botw bosses (main): use ancient weapon and look at that, they're dead instantly. How to beat totk bosses (main): use any weapon and it will take a bit.

Its the same world and same gameplay cycle- This doesn't take a 2 hour video to explain..People have been playing "TOTK" for 7 years now....thats why everyone dropped it after they played everything through (and some not even that far)..People played botw 2....3 times already.....people have THROROUGHLY explored this world

The performance talk was interesting as it was a part I wasn't familiar with. Loads took about a minute at most and I rearly had any freezes unless I was moving at breakneck speed with a glitch. I'm wondering if it's just so rare that I haven't seen it or if maybe the speed of your SD card could be the culprit

I don't hate it. It's literally just nowhere near as good as BotW. It's still pretty good, but like the thumbnail says, not great. I think most people bombastically claiming they despise it are just overblowing their mild disappointment in it and feeding off of each other to amplify those feelings in their echo chambers.

the goofy "what's up nerds" ultrakill guy posted a video about my favorite game (and its sequel) with an opinion I agree with, to quote someone who lives in a pineapple under the sea "it's the best day ever" upon watching it, I feel the need to comment on how accurate all of it was, just all of it, with the exception of the blss opinion my reaction to hearing any given thing in the video was along the lines of "exactly! right?"

Its not so many. Its a vocal minority with youtube channels. It sold over 20m. I havent touched OoT since over 10 years. I also havent touched mgs2 since it came out on the ps2. The fuck does that even meam.

I've been a Zelda fan since the original. I even remember playing Zelda II and enjoying it. Back then, I don't think I cared much about how different it was, as I don't think I had this idea that a second game needs to be the same as the first. My favorites so far have been Link to the Past (best of the top down style imo), Twilight Princess (supplanted Ocarina of Time as the best 3D style for me), and Tears of the Kingdom (as the best Souls-like), and yes Zelda II (of which I think I'm the only person who liked it). I'm glad they made these new games in this way. Zelda needed another shake up. Before Breath of the Wild, it's just been every console release trying to do OoT again, and then every mobile release just doing LttP again. Honestly, if they decided to do another one in this souls-like style, I wouldn't hate it.

I personally had more fun in TOTK especially after leaving the great sky island. I had so much fun playing around with the new mechanics and fighting the new and old enemies. For me BOTW was definitely better story wise but gameplay wise it is lacking compared to TOTK. I remember getting off the great plateau and being so excited seeing new enemies like the moblin and lizalfos only to realize that a had already found 90% of the games enemie types, same can be said about the bosses. I got tired of seeing the same hinox, stone talus and guardians over and over again. Of course there were exceptions like molduga and lynels which always were fun to fight. Also im glad windbombs are gone. I know it was fun to mess around with them but i remember realizing that they made hyrule seem so small. TOTK did add flying but at least there you didn't travel as fast and far as you could with wind bombs. The one reason why i still play TOTK over BOTW is because of the post game being more fun. In BOTW once you got all the upgrades and got max gear combat becomes less fun. You basically lose your good weapons for usually worse weapons when ingaging in combat. In TOTK they added fuse which motivates players to actively fight enemies for thire fuse materials which means for every tough enemie you defeat you will get a just as strong fuse material. Fuse removes the weapon holding behavior players had in BOTW because now you can make strong weapons from the materials you got in that fight. This one ability fixed the issue breakable weapons had and i hope it reappears in future open world titles.

I didn’t need BOTW part two. It’s a glorified DLC. It’s a bloated unfocused game. I enjoyed the linear opening sky island, it was new and fun to explore. Than I dove down to Hyrule and was like “I don’t want to explore this again.”

" A year after release it seems that more and more people have decided that Breath Of The Wild is the better game. " That's a lie, the channel KnightPohtaytoe recently made a poll on RU-vid of over 100K votes of which game was better between TOTK and BOTW, and TOTK had 70% of the votes.

5 bad things totk have compared to botw -Champions molesting with the same button -Expirating descending devices -temples and towers are artistically inferior -battery's and hoverbike too op, making escalation useless -bad for speedrunners and slow menu -(idk if this is good or a bad thing but, botw ends in darkness and totk ends in light) Still better game than botw

Rewind can be used in many ways. I love to rewind boomerangs midair for extra hits

The ENTIRE game lacks content. For 6 years of development with a pre-built map, there's just far too little novelties and added content. I get that they were also adding in new mechanics but I think we all expected more. If FromSoft can make the entirety of Elden Ring in the same time as TotK, there's ZERO reason Nintendo can't make an open world on the same level.

This game had so much potential to destroy the gaming world for the next decade but it just ended up being a DLC of the previous game with a lacklustre sky, lacklustre depths, a shockingly bad story, and a map with the EXACT SAME TOPOGRAPHY (I will never stop saying how terrible this was, you couldn’t even change up the location of a few things? The whole overworld HAD to be the same and you had 6 years to tinker with it???????) Peoples expectations are in the mud. This type of laziness wouldn’t have ever been accepted from any gaming company 10 years ago, but because it says “nintender” and “zelder” on the box it must be a good game that we praise. Complete cashgrab.

Wallmasters (my bro's blind guess at what gloom hands were that i have officially accepted as head canon) have no counter play? not quite, it is just that the counter play is exact, with no room for variation. The counter play is: elevation (the way you do it), or AoE/explosions. My go to is throwing about 5 bombs into the center of the mass to take them all out, but it also means i am pretty much always lower on bomb flowers than i would like, not helped by the depths problem and lack of efficient ways to deal with bomb-able rubble that means i usually just do one massive light up session at the beginning of the game like a mole-person and then practically never return except for the express purpose of grinding the materials i need for X, Y, and Z. Money? i'd argue trading poes for outfits to sell is the most effective method with the least long-term negative benefit (using up materials gets in the way of clothes upgrades, and poes are far more abundant than the rupees you have to go out of your way for, while the depths also puts you in yiga home turf to get them by accident during the grind), but it also means i cant use them to buy bombs in abundance.

43:02 Let's not forget that one random blessing shrine in the gerudo highlands that's just sitting out in the open

Botw is better, BUT THIS DOESN‘T MEAN THAT TOTK IS FULL TRASH!!! 😫😫😫😫

I’ve played both games and enjoyed both games. I wouldn’t say Totk is bad, more like severely flawed. Like, in my opinion, both are good games that can be enjoyed, but Botw is far superior. And if you don’t agree with my opinion, that is fine.

I somehow got Mineru before two of the sages, and watched every lore cutscene out of order before I even noticed the temple giving me the correct order. The whole time I was just like "Is this it? These cool new characters we learn NOTHING about?". I was also upset at the lack of Zelda, who was such a compelling character in BOTW. I wanted to find her and defeat the big bad with her help, it felt like they kept dangling the carrot. Im not as upset about the random Zonai tech and empty sky islands but at least explain where the Sheika went!

Honestly I don't like either game that much, neither one FEELS like A Zelda game, I do like the scenery I absolutely loved the very first time I shot up into the sky out that first tower. The moment the game lost my interest is when I apported a NPC that I met in Breath of the Wild and the NPC didn't recognize who Link was, I can't really explain it right but that moment left me feeling hollow and empty and my emotional ties to the game died. Plus the lack of sky islands was extremely disappointing.

My first impression was, "Wow, this could have been dlc." They had an opportunity and a good amount of time to completely change Hyrule, but instead, they added barely anything new. The depths and the sky islands are cool for the first few times you go to them until you realize there isn't really that much put into them. I mean, seriously, 7 years for the same map? How can Fromsoftware make Elden Ring in 4 years with the same workforce, but the zelda team can't make a substantially different game with almost twice the development time? Something must have gone wrong during development because thinking that using the same map for a sequel to a game all about exploration is ridiculous. I think they didn't know what to do with the sequel, and when the game got delayed is when they basically restarted, but who can say for sure