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Why Do We Get Columbine So Wrong? 

Caitlin Doughty
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Why are we so attached to the Columbine myths?
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**SELECTED ADDITIONAL READING/SOURCES**
"A Mother's Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy"
Klebold, Sue. Broadway Books, 2016. Reprint edition 2017.
"Columbine"
Cullen, Dave. Twelve Hachette Book Group, 2009.
"COLUMBINE MIRACLE: A MATTER OF BELIEF"
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/...
"After Columbine, martyrdom became a powerful fantasy for Christian teenagers"
www.vox.com/culture/2017/4/20...
"The Search for Truth at Columbine"
Peter Langman, PhD
schoolshooters.info/sites/def...
"Mass Shooters Have Exploited The Internet For Years. New Zealand Took It To A New Level."
www.huffpost.com/entry/new-ze...
"Mass Shootings Are Contagious"
www.scientificamerican.com/ar...
"Let’s Stop Naming Mass Shooters In Our Reporting"
www.buzzfeed.com/davecullen/s...
"7 myths about the Columbine Shooting"
www.thegospelcoalition.org/bl...

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Комментарии : 11 тыс.   
@loremipsum7873
@loremipsum7873 4 года назад
“I was a bit of a goth” I would have never suspected
@lazyhomebody1356
@lazyhomebody1356 3 года назад
"was"?
@r0tt3dfl3shh
@r0tt3dfl3shh 3 года назад
Ikr 😭
@bubblegumgun3292
@bubblegumgun3292 3 года назад
spiderman shocked guy meme
@antoshfff
@antoshfff 3 года назад
surprised pikachu.
@DibIrken
@DibIrken 3 года назад
We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed, and we've been, quite probably, bamboozled!
@mrfixitishere
@mrfixitishere 5 лет назад
I think the goth, metal and gamer misinformation was just because parents groups didn't like them.
@zakazany1945
@zakazany1945 4 года назад
Scapegoats. The parents and the school are too arrogant to admit that's THEIR fault this kind of thing happen. So they shift the blame for something else.
@FishFind3000
@FishFind3000 4 года назад
FrostBug shooting isn’t an particularly scary. Just a bit loud. If you ever have used a framing nail gun it’s like that. Got some recoil and bang. It’s pretty fun, just an really expensive hobby.
@user-kk2pc7ik7t
@user-kk2pc7ik7t 4 года назад
I think it boils down to the idea that people like easy answers. So they blamed bullies, parents, music, anything. Yes, in some cases bad parenting or child abuse does have an impact, from what Ive learned. But not in this case. Both of them came from stable homes and good parents. Peter Langmann argues that they fall into 3 main categories: The the psychopath, the schizoid and the traumatized. He places Eric in the psychopath- category, Dylan in the schizoid category. The traumatized shooters are shooters such as Mitchell Johnson( Jonesboro) and Jeff Weise
@ferox965
@ferox965 4 года назад
Some people are just assholes by design.
@witchby9362
@witchby9362 4 года назад
I'm into all three of those things, and guess what ? I am disgusted by school shootings ! It makes me sad, these kids and teens lose their lives before they really ever get to live them, it's pretty sad. But people romanticize it so much, it's absolutely disgusting.
@jeezycreezy4220
@jeezycreezy4220 Год назад
In the aftermath of Colombine, my school in a small Colorado town about an hour or so away from Colombine held an assembly about bullying. Being a goth kid, I was specifically named (without my permission) in said assembly as an example of someone like Eric and Dylan and why people like me shouldn't be bullied, the intended message being lost in the process and replaced with a warning of "Jeezy will shoot you if you treat him badly." Yeah, that went about how one would expect. The bullying got worse, many of my friends distanced themselves from me, and I spent most of my school time as the troubled loner of my school's own creation.
@connorpayne9830
@connorpayne9830 Год назад
Almost like the people that do this stuff are allowed to slip through the cracks and in most cases could of been stopped have multiple encounters with law enforcement, mental health professionals, social workers and the list goes on and on, but still when it happens they all cry over their wreaths and hit out with the thoughts and prayers, like we just had a mass killing in England were guy stabbed 2 people to death then ran over 3 more with a van he stole from the one of the victims he murdered known for having mental health problems had multiple encounters with law enforcement was a west African immigrant that apparently was so mentally I’ll he could do all of the paperwork to get in to the uk but couldn’t work and or function in society, but the American mass shooters phenomenon is engineered by the government to support a narrative because mental illnesses in young white men helps gain votes because the left sell it as a “we need to save you for the white devils”
@saraheb5080
@saraheb5080 Год назад
That's so horrible. I feel sick reading this, I really hope you feel better about yourself these days and have healed as best you can.
@jeezycreezy4220
@jeezycreezy4220 Год назад
@@saraheb5080 mostly. I still have some mean social anxiety and occasional depressive episodes, but I've at least got my life mostly on track.
@jennhoff03
@jennhoff03 Год назад
Oh my GOSH! I am so sorry that happened to you! What were they thinking?!
@matthewsmiley3630
@matthewsmiley3630 Год назад
That’s so fucked up
@vlad5042
@vlad5042 7 месяцев назад
i remember growing up on the myth that dylan was the sweet and gentle one who got sucked up into eric's black hole of insanity because he was depressed and wanted to die. later reading the stories of how dylan acted and the things he said while it was happening, i honestly find myself even more disgusted with him than i do with eric and it annoys me when people try to make one the scapegoat for the other.
@tylerdakid8394
@tylerdakid8394 7 месяцев назад
I don't know how old you are Vlad, but I remember so far as some narratives even spending it like they were the victims for being bullied. Years later there is countless testimonials from other students saying that they were like the fucking worst.
@R41ph3a7b6
@R41ph3a7b6 6 месяцев назад
Oh, huh. I thought he was the Pinky to the Brain. Yeah, and I heard that before Isaiah's passing, Dylan pointed to him underneath the table. This was in the library when he then proceeded to say, "look at that n*gger over there."
@R41ph3a7b6
@R41ph3a7b6 6 месяцев назад
​@@tylerdakid8394damn
@Dolphinboi
@Dolphinboi 5 месяцев назад
@@tylerdakid8394if Dylan was being bullied do you think he would still be evil for shooting up his school?
@tylerdakid8394
@tylerdakid8394 5 месяцев назад
@@Dolphinboi yes lol. Being bullied in high school isn't a reason to murder your peers.........
@oceannavagator
@oceannavagator 5 лет назад
The term " A GROUP of loners" has always seemed a little strange to me.
@TrielaRhyfel
@TrielaRhyfel 5 лет назад
I never thought of that actually.
@Gargess
@Gargess 5 лет назад
It's like the running joke in Airheads about naming their band The Lone Rangers
@KMStarner82
@KMStarner82 5 лет назад
Its like saying 'hermits united'.
@adlibby6448
@adlibby6448 5 лет назад
Alternatively, when I was a loner in high school I would sit next to the other loners lunch. I don’t know why this happened. haha
@samikay9599
@samikay9599 5 лет назад
Like a murder of crows. Why are they all dead and who killed them?
@milotheangel9756
@milotheangel9756 4 года назад
“They were gay, they practiced witchcraft and had a different fashion sense” *starts to sweat nervously*
@nikkirivera5307
@nikkirivera5307 4 года назад
When I tell you I felt this comment in my sould
@yourjewishfriend135
@yourjewishfriend135 4 года назад
Me, a gay witch with a weird fashion sense: *stares at the ground*
@milotheangel9756
@milotheangel9756 4 года назад
Quinn Speir i totally feel that, I’m a gay witch with a weird sort of hippie fashion sense
@yourjewishfriend135
@yourjewishfriend135 4 года назад
@@milotheangel9756 One day Im goth, the next Im hippie. You never know what you are going to get lol.
@erique_k
@erique_k 3 года назад
@@yourjewishfriend135 witchcraft ain’t real🥳
@clairehoppky
@clairehoppky 8 месяцев назад
i rly do not like Sues approach to this, HATED her ted talk. Took 0 responsibility, placed no blame on her son, blamed the media and gun laws despite the entire town knowing her son was bound to do something awful and she willingly ignored it. So disappointing.
@Spaceshipbox
@Spaceshipbox 7 месяцев назад
I think the bothered me about this video is she says that Dylan and Eric weren’t being bullied but if you read the transcripts for the basement tapes it really did sound like they were being bullied also, Brooke Brown even said that they would get bullied in it every day basis.
@EllaGP22
@EllaGP22 7 месяцев назад
YES. She had received warnings and actively ignored them, now all she blames is Eric and gun laws, saying there was “no way (she) could have known.” That sounds like BS to me. If my kid is building bombs in our garage, I think I would have found out. I’m not saying she was directly complicit, obviously she wasn’t, but just completely oblivious to the very very very obvious signs before the shooting.
@faefee
@faefee 7 месяцев назад
@@Spaceshipboxwomp womp
@costadinover
@costadinover 7 месяцев назад
​​@@EllaGP22well you aren't but I am. She is complicit, and even more now when she says that "anyone's kid could turn out like this" or that "there's nothing a parent can do". No, fuck that. Her kid was accused multiple times of abusive behaviour in school, was building bombs in her garage and she did nothing about it. It's a tragedy, yes. But the refusal to introspect only shows that she's just trying to profit and trying to play as another victim.
@darlingdeb7010
@darlingdeb7010 7 месяцев назад
​@@costadinover100%. She pretty much failed as a parent on all levels.
@a2rhombus2
@a2rhombus2 Год назад
When we learned the mythologized version of Columbine, the description of the killers fit me almost perfectly. Lonely, bullied, weird interests, dark fashion style. It completely changed how people in school treated me.
@partciudgam8478
@partciudgam8478 7 месяцев назад
it is easyer to bully the already bullied ones than to put the bullies on the street, usually bullies are entitled SOBs, and bullied ones are somehow in disadvantage (minority group, less money, etc), and school districts know that.
@altnap
@altnap 5 месяцев назад
That’s really not that far off frm what actually happened if you really look into it. Only thing is they weren’t really part of the trench coat mafia and they thought Marilyn Manson was Gay.
@johnnyboi1819
@johnnyboi1819 5 месяцев назад
I’m 2004 I lived in Colorado and that entire narrative made me nervous around anyone wearing a trench coat. It wasn’t justified necessarily but I guess they didn’t know the whole story then
@kirstybrown1185
@kirstybrown1185 3 месяца назад
@@partciudgam8478 that’s not right where I’m from. The bullies at my school were the poor ones with neglectful parents. The “spoiled” ones were the ones who got bullied. Also the people of ethnic backgrounds are the ones who do the stabbings. 3 white kids in my area were stabbed to death last year from gangs of Muslim teens. You jumping to conclusions, is the same thing people did with columbine.
@Kallixoxo
@Kallixoxo 5 лет назад
As someone who: 1) is about to graduate from columbine 2) my mother was a student who survived the shooting and 3) has a ton of intel and credibility, I can confirm that this entire video is completely true. Thank you for setting the facts straight, this video has a strong message that needs to be heard. EDIT: For all of you being dicks in my comment and trying to prove unrelated and completely irrelevant points, please show yourself off of RU-vid and go join a conspiracy theory site or some shit. Smh.
@Jenni-Martikainen
@Jenni-Martikainen 5 лет назад
Kalli xoxo how you feel about studying at columbine? Walking the stairs, the same spot in cafeteria were the infamous photo of Eric and Dylan was taken.. Does students talk about that day often? Can outsiders visit the school?
@oakhollow6716
@oakhollow6716 5 лет назад
Thanks you for sharing you and your mom's story
@notsafeformiranda4271
@notsafeformiranda4271 5 лет назад
Tell your mom that I say she is a badass. I'm proud of you for getting this far in your education after hearing of all the horrible things that happened there (specifically when it affected your loved ones). It must have been really scary with that horrible woman the last 1-2 weeks, but you're doing great. I still have panic attacks during lockdowns even when it's just because of a robbery a mile away. It's a horrible world we live in but after what happened this week and to your mom, it shows you're braver than I- and most teens- are. I'm graduating this year as well, and I truly feel like our generation is the one that will make a long-lasting change. I'm finally going to be able to vote once I turn 18, and I'm not going to waste that right. I hope your post-college years treat you well, whether you choose to attend college or jump straight into the workforce. Sending love to you, your mom, and everyone else at your school
@Drakochannojutsu
@Drakochannojutsu 5 лет назад
@@Jenni-Martikainen I am a graduate from a school in the same district so I can kind of answer this since a lot of my fellow peers went in the early 2000s. I can't answer Kalli xoxo's exact feelings obviously but. Most of the school tries to do their best to forget about it. They don't ignore it or pretend it didn't happen but it's just another highschool. They were (at the time of myself and my peers) very hard on bullying for a long time after, all the Jeffco schools are, but I'm not sure how that has shifted in the last 20 years. Outsiders cannot visit the school, it's just like any other highschool. You wouldn't want strangers coming in and walking around with your teenagers that doesn't belong in the school, would you?
@nightlydrugs6927
@nightlydrugs6927 5 лет назад
Wow! First of all, Columbine kids now have high school aged children...I’m old. And I am SO glad your mother survived! Thank you for commenting here, I’m sure Caitlin is glad for your confirmation.
@jean6061
@jean6061 3 года назад
When my daughters were in middle school, they came home one day and said that a male student there had a list of students and planned to kill them all. Since this was post-Columbine, I called the principal. I'm sure other parents did, too, and he had a meeting for us and basically tried to dampen the concern. I didn't feel this was being taken seriously, so I contacted the school district's attorney and explained what was happening. He chuckled and said he probably said the same thing at that age - "Boys will be boys." So I called the local sheriff's department who took it very seriously. They met the young man's bus as it pulled up to the school the next day and what they found in his backpack and in his locker guaranteed that he'd never be a student in district school's again. Threats like this - and threats of suicide - MUST BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!
@michaellovely6601
@michaellovely6601 2 года назад
Absolutely. See something, say something. Silence contributes to violence.
@sumer3270
@sumer3270 2 года назад
good job on continuing to take action after you were ignored twice!!
@aprilhinds1827
@aprilhinds1827 2 года назад
Please tell me the school employees got in trouble or fired for not taking this seriously!!!
@markwilson5967
@markwilson5967 2 года назад
@@aprilhinds1827 seriously!!!!!
@markwilson5967
@markwilson5967 2 года назад
Well done. Alot of lives could've been taken. World needs more people like you!!!
@relyes327
@relyes327 9 месяцев назад
Dylan did want to end his life and was profusely depressed but even if he mainly helped plan it without desiring the same kill count as Eric, he’s still an atrocity. Popping up behind tables in the library yelling peekaboo before capping a high schooler and even responding to someone asking what he was doing with, “I’m shooting people “, he’s every bit as bad as Eric. I’m not saying YOU have it, but many people have the misconception that Dylan wasn’t as bad as Eric when in reality, they’re both equally bad. It’s too bad that people idolize this shit and copy instead of realizing how horrific bad can be
@ShadowMan64572
@ShadowMan64572 5 месяцев назад
People think shyness and low confidence makes someone less bad and guilty, they don't want to think any deeper about it.
@muppetman78
@muppetman78 5 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠@@ShadowMan64572this is so true. a lot of people kind of give dylan a pass because he was really depressed and stuff but they fail to remember that he also made the choices that he made and he also took innocent lives.
@Dolphinboi
@Dolphinboi 5 месяцев назад
@@ShadowMan64572 if Dylan was being bullied do you think he would still be evil for shooting people at his school?
@ShadowMan64572
@ShadowMan64572 5 месяцев назад
@@Dolphinboi He was bullied on at least 1 occasion, he considered the ketchup incident to be the worst day of his life. Idk if I'd call him evil, he was more so deluded and angry at the world. Some people can enter a mindset when the depression is deep enough to where they're indifferent to the concept of life including most other people.
@Dolphinboi
@Dolphinboi 5 месяцев назад
@@ShadowMan64572 he shot a disabled student who wasn’t even aware of how to hide. That’s the definition of evil
@jefflochner5972
@jefflochner5972 10 месяцев назад
To quote Carl T. Bergstrom and Jevin D. West in their book, Calling Bullshit; "A lie will make it to the other side of the world before the truth will even get its shoes on."
@BigGoad
@BigGoad 4 года назад
I learned that the media messes up a ton of information when a small airplane crash landed in my grandma's yard. We helped the guy out of his plane and talked to him while waiting on 911 to arrive. He'd had mechanical problems with his plane and landed it where he could get help (we lived in a pretty remote area and another house wouldn't have been in range). The news reported that he lost consciousness from a heart attack and sustained severe injury in the crash. Neither were remotely true. He had a cut above his eye and didn't even take the ambulance to get checked out at the hospital. After that I have always wondered what the real story is vs what comes on the news.
@Lyeah73
@Lyeah73 4 года назад
I feel like the news media only cares about being first or exclusive rather than accuracy
@helookalikaman79
@helookalikaman79 4 года назад
Jordan Tucker... My grandmother saved a life, on a pitch black highway where the only light is coming from your headlights, she saw a man in the road in the middle of nowhere...She swerved off the highway missing him, her van was major single vehicle rollover accident. The van had rolled 7+ times. It was a cargo van with only 2 seats... 3 people in the van, My grandmother driving (she was handicapped so she LOVED driving) wearing her seatbelt. Passenger was in a seat but NOT using the seatbelt. The third was sitting on the floor, obviously not wearing a seatbelt. Drivers seat belt FAILED, I saw the BURN marks on her and I saw the mangled seatbelt covered in blood.... She was ejected through the windshield, killed by multiple traumatic injuries. Passenger in the seat was ejected and a major cut to the neck, along with the expected minor cuts and bruises, survived full recovery... Passenger not in a seatbelt, minor cuts, scrapes and bruises NOT ejected... The news reported a single vehicle rollover, 2 survivors who were wearing their seatbelts, and one fatality who was not wearing a seatbelt... "Remember Click it or Ticket" campaign.... Why report the driver, the only seatbelted person was a fatality, as it goes against their campaign. Oh and the idiots do not know how to count, how is it there were 3 people and only 2 seats if the driver was using one, how did both passengers were wearing seatbelts...
@AC.666
@AC.666 4 года назад
@@helookalikaman79 that would piss me off to no end!! The media loves to not only lie through their teeth, but also sensationalize everything and use scare tactics.
@33Dannyb
@33Dannyb 4 года назад
Jordan Tucker I have a feeling the news knew the real story but thought it was too boring so they got creative to spice it up. I wouldn’t be surprised if this happens a lot. It’s all about ratings and interest and drama.
@Durmomo0
@Durmomo0 4 года назад
Exactly, you learn how absolutely wrong the news is whenever something that happens close to you is reported. Especially national news.
@dawnoneiro4915
@dawnoneiro4915 4 года назад
“They were bullied for listening to Marilyn Manson and wearing black trench coats” I’ve never understood that excuse. I’ve always been bullied for being goth, listening to dark music, and wearing trench coats; and I’d never hurt anyone. There was much more wrong with those boys than their style or music taste.
@maschaorsomething
@maschaorsomething 4 года назад
Mhhm, maybe personality disorders and other mental illnesses, that caused them to build anger up.
@dawnoneiro4915
@dawnoneiro4915 4 года назад
Mary or something One was a psychopath and the other was depressed.
@Fleurbunny
@Fleurbunny 4 года назад
That’s precisely what is being highlighted in this video. That this theory is completely wrong. You be you. And I’m sorry you’ve had to suffer the pain of bullying. Trust me, as someone who was bullied too throughout high school, they all become nobodies. No great careers, no happy marriages. At least very few do and none of my bullies did. You’re better than them, and they can already see that, that’s what they cannot bear therefore try to make you suffer. You will come out of it stronger and always so much above them. Much love 💕
@dawnoneiro4915
@dawnoneiro4915 4 года назад
Misskeeleyt Thank you for your sweet comment! I just graduated and, although this year has been tough, your comment has given me a lot of hope for my future.
@kainecaulfield5391
@kainecaulfield5391 4 года назад
Yeah but then all that bullying and teasing piles on to serious mental health.
@Artretha
@Artretha Год назад
I think part of why the media lumped these two in with the Trenchcoat Mafia goes back to a quote from the show "Daria." "When you're popular all unpopular people look the same." I know that adults run the media, but many "adults" seem to maintain their high school mentality.
@yeahno8294
@yeahno8294 Год назад
As a goth student myself it always made me mad that people treated every Goth bad and judged us because of this incident. My public school even started making everyone wear uniforms so we could no longer dress goth. Out of fear of Goths.
@xxxod
@xxxod 8 месяцев назад
eric and dylan were not even goths
@moffichu9150
@moffichu9150 8 месяцев назад
you expected American evangelicals to fess up and tell the truth? look at the ADL statistics for domestic trror killings .... (heads up, Muslim people aren't the domestic trrorsts either)
@joshuahutchings558
@joshuahutchings558 8 месяцев назад
I was in 6th grade when Columbine happened, and my class went to visit the high school that we would be attending the next year. It was the same day as my teacher's 40th (I believe) birthday, and the class was wearing all black in recognition of it. Some of the kids at the high school joked, "look out, those kids are all in black" and from then on I was too afraid to wear all black even though I wanted to at the time.
@evana4055
@evana4055 5 лет назад
From Bowling for Columbine (2002) Reporter: "If you were to talk directly to the kids at Columbine and the people in that community what would you say to them?" Marilyn Manson: "I wouldn't say a single word to them. I would listen to what they have to say and that's what no one did."
@8LyJu8
@8LyJu8 4 года назад
Marilyn Manson is one of the few musician who consistently gave extremelly well though answers. I honestly don't like his music, but I admire his intellect and empathy.
@Nimrodbodeinejr
@Nimrodbodeinejr 4 года назад
Hes actually a very intelligent man
@Nimrodbodeinejr
@Nimrodbodeinejr 4 года назад
He was talking about speaking with the shooters that's why he said he would listen
@sisu4134
@sisu4134 4 года назад
I LOVE that interview!!! He set them straight!
@Cewlbeans
@Cewlbeans 4 года назад
Marilyn Manson is an entrepreneur and has built himself an empire in music when he started with nothing. He had a harder life than most and he built himself up not self destruction and murder.....
@winonapurple7957
@winonapurple7957 5 лет назад
As someone who was suicidal and had no friends in school i hate the whole "mentally ill and bullied" excuse,like no millions of people are mentally ill and bullied but don't do this It's either in you or its not Evil isn't a mental illness
@roxyfoxyyy7
@roxyfoxyyy7 4 года назад
whinona purple totally agree!! I was bullied by a girl in high school horribly and also suffered from depression... never wanted to shoot up a school. Sadly 90 percent of the people who know about Columbine blame bullying and even some blame the victims for it. There are soooo many misconceptions on Columbine.
@prostpot2694
@prostpot2694 4 года назад
THANK YOU!!!
@mekabare
@mekabare 4 года назад
By othering murderers and pretending that theyre inherenntly "inhuman" or "evil" you are removing responsibility from society and hinder prevention of such crimes. Humans do bad things. Humans have bad thoughts. You do. I do. No one is inherently good or inherently evil. What defines you is your actions and the people around you, and some are more or less fortunate. Bullying needs to be stopped, bullying can cause people to snap, mental illness can cause people to snap. You are not doing mentally ill people any service by denying that they are in need of help or that people who did bad things were deserving of help and let down. Columbine could likely have been prevented, and it was done by humans like you and me, not monsters. I know it's easy to remove yourself and make yourself feel better by pretending crimes are commited by monsters, and "good" people could never be monsters. But that removes nuance and the spectrum of what the human mind is like.
@tiffanydaniels227
@tiffanydaniels227 4 года назад
@@mekabare you nailed it!
@EpicKate
@EpicKate 4 года назад
Wow, that was really well said. I'm glad you said was, past tense.
@christianeydner7726
@christianeydner7726 7 месяцев назад
Putting your daughter in the middle of a scope for the cover of a book about her murder, makes me feel uneasy to say the least
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh 5 месяцев назад
It's only made worse when the girl who actually said yes (Valeen Schnurr) is ostracized and branded as a liar.
@Tornado1994
@Tornado1994 3 месяца назад
@@MichaelLovely-mr6oh Because SHE is a Liar.
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh 3 месяца назад
@@Tornado1994 As in Valeen is a liar or Cassie's mother Misty Bernall? Oh wait, I figured it out: Misty Bernall is a liar. While I do feel sorry for Misty as she lost her daughter in an extremely heinous manner; I don't condone her decision to sell Cassie's life story to publishing agencies to make a quick buck, even if she was to claim it was for Cassie's funeral expenses. Likewise I find it truly inspiring of Rachel Scott's mother Beth Nimmo forgiving and meeting with Dylan's mother Sue Klebold; but I don't condone Beth's decision to sell Rachel's life story to movie studios and publishing agencies. I have a lot of respect for Sue Klebold as she has chosen to turn her pain into purpose by becoming a mental health and suicide prevention advocate on top of making funeral homes in Colorado aware of brain donation.
@HipHopOtaku
@HipHopOtaku 10 месяцев назад
When I was in Catholic school, that girl who was asked about whether she believed in God was held up as an example for us...I was in 5th grade. We couldn't even imagine that happening to us, let alone what we would *actually* do in that situation.
@xxxod
@xxxod 8 месяцев назад
that was inappropriate of that school to do
@marbles9176
@marbles9176 7 месяцев назад
My catholic school had a movie night where we watched a really low budget christian independent film about Cassie
@kimmehamehaaa7241
@kimmehamehaaa7241 6 месяцев назад
Slightly unrelated, but when I was in 5th grade (also Catholic school actually) we watched the towers fall on 9/11 and couldn't imagine what we would do in THAT situation. Crazy to think that the two events were just two years apart. They both changed our daily lives in big ways..
@themumblingdumpling2838
@themumblingdumpling2838 5 лет назад
This reminds me of that article that's been going around... the title was "I Tried to Befriend Nikolas Cruz, He Still Killed My Friends". It adressed all these people who were like "If only somebody sat with him at lunch none of this would have happened!". Like, yeah, no, it's not always that simple.
@Jay-jb2vr
@Jay-jb2vr 5 лет назад
It's not that simple, BUT it Damn sure helps a whole lot
@tatianaac93
@tatianaac93 5 лет назад
Wondering if that's the only reason why that survivor is still alive. Honestly this is, really... complex. From personality disorder (including Zero empathy or capacity to feel), to sociology, culture and politics. Not complicated, just complex. But nothing can justifies those action.
@Guppyg53
@Guppyg53 5 лет назад
They blame people who were allegedly bullied as if bullies aren't bullied themselves by other kids. I was bullied by my own friends in high school but none of us ever shot each other
@IamMissPronounced
@IamMissPronounced 5 лет назад
Its definitely not as simple as "be nice to the weird white nationalist sitting alone in the corner"
@persephone3892
@persephone3892 5 лет назад
@@pashadyne honestly, the fact that you would say that to people, even as a joke, is disturbing and reveals a lot about you...
@masterof4elements826
@masterof4elements826 4 года назад
I agree with Sue. We do glorify the "bad guy". I can remember the names of Bonnie and Clyde, but if you ask me to name the officers who took them down I can't.
@communicationbreakdown256
@communicationbreakdown256 4 года назад
it is not glorified, it is infamy.
@Grim_Beard
@Grim_Beard 4 года назад
@The Muckler You do know that Bonnie and Clyde pre-date hip hop by decades, right? I guess you just wanted an opportunity to be racist.
@communicationbreakdown256
@communicationbreakdown256 4 года назад
true though. we don't know the names of the ones who took them down.
@madamebkrt
@madamebkrt 4 года назад
@The Muckler Huh? Do you even know who Bonnie and Clyde are???
@mk-lr8ok
@mk-lr8ok 4 года назад
Bonnie and Clyde were hero's in the sense that during the great depression when they robbed banks, they would also destroy bank records of mortgages. The banks couldn't prove people owed and were able to keep their homes and farms. The great depression was orchestrated by bankers, just as they orchestrated the federal reserve in 1913 and then income tax in 1914. The entire plan was developed in 1912 in a secret meeting the bankers set up at an island. Then through puppets voted the reserve in on December 23rd 1913 while everyone was on Christmas vacation.
@host_theghost507
@host_theghost507 Год назад
Thank you for this video and for clearing up some of the pernicious myths that have been allowed to grow up around the Columbine shooting. One element of the Columbine shootings that deserves more attention is the way that the shooters enabled each other. The vast majority of mass murderers are lone shooters, so it's worth understanding the dynamic. Some accounts tend to treat Klebold as the follower, someone who would never have harmed anyone but himself if Harris hadn't been leading him. That's probably true, but it's also equally probable that Harris wouldn't have acted without Klebold. As Ochberg and others have noted, Klebold provided the rage-he's the one on video promising "the most deaths in U.S. history"-and Harris provided the focus. Harris is easy to dismiss as a monster: he has every characteristic we despise in sociopaths. Klebold, on the other hand, is someone who might have been saved. It's easier to feel empathy for him. That sometimes leads us to regard him as the lesser evil, which he definitely was not. It's also interesting to note how Columbine changed the nature of "school shooting." There were school shootings prior to Columbine, but they were usually motivated by personal grievance. This is one reason why the media gravitated toward the "trenchcoat mafia" theory: it fit the existing narrative. Harris and Klebold had a much different motive-their aim was not to punish individual students, but to devastate the whole country. Shooters since then have tended to follow their lead, using children as a way of doing psychological harm to entire communities. It fits in with the grandiose fantasies that the boys shared.
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh 5 месяцев назад
Unfortunately, Columbine ended up being the catalyst for the plague of school shootings as there have been many which have been directly influenced by Columbine and many more which have been indirectly influenced. The first two that were directly influenced by Columbine occurred at W.R. Meyers High School in Taber, Alberta Canada on April 28th, 1999 and at Heritage High School in Conyers, Georgia on May 20th, 1999. Meanwhile the first two that were indirectly influenced by Columbine occurred at Deming Middle School in Deming, New Mexico on November 14th, 1999 and at Fort Gibson Middle School in Fort Gibson, Oklahoma on December 6th, 1999.
@Tornado1994
@Tornado1994 3 месяца назад
@@MichaelLovely-mr6oh Prior to Columbine, There were THREE other Shootings back to Back with Walla Walla,WA in 1996, Paducah,KY in 1997(Which involved Christian students being shot dead by their OWN classmate who hated them) and Jonesboro,AK in 1998. Columbine was the Peak at that point.
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh 3 месяца назад
@@Tornado1994 It was Moses Lake Washington, Bethel Alaska, Pearl Mississippi, Paducah Kentucky, Fayetteville Tennessee, Edinboro Pennsylvania, Jonesboro Arkansas and Springfield Oregon that all preceded Columbine. My reason for calling Columbine the catalyst for the plague of school shootings in the 21st century is due to the excess media coverage it received both here in the United States and internationally.
@Tornado1994
@Tornado1994 3 месяца назад
@@MichaelLovely-mr6oh That's very true. Things got out of control after Columbine and the MSM started pushing a mass hysteria over School Shootings. In some ways, the 1984 San Ysidro McDonalds Massacre was also the Catalyst for the trend of mass shootings as they begin to spike after it.
@bryanaperry8760
@bryanaperry8760 7 месяцев назад
Yeah, the religious are never going to care if their "martyrs" are real or not. Stories are their bread and butter. Thank you for talking about this.
@adriannebee2056
@adriannebee2056 3 года назад
"This was a failed bombing." I don't know why, but out of everything else in this video, that's the part that gave me chills. I don't want to imagine a world where they gained infamy from a successful bombing with the story assigned to them by the press in this world.
@Serenade2461
@Serenade2461 3 года назад
School shootings are bad enough.....frequent school bombings would be catastrophic.
@ozzyb1995
@ozzyb1995 3 года назад
My school district used to average 3 bomb threats a year. I remember getting one in elementary. Even though it’s a problem now, it’d be even worse if they’d succeeded.
@tacrewgirl
@tacrewgirl 3 года назад
Agreed
@the_demon_cat337
@the_demon_cat337 3 года назад
@@ozzyb1995 oh god I remember my school got one. But seriously the fact that we have a school shooter drill with a full fledged evacuation plan is horible enough.
@Mr.Marbles
@Mr.Marbles 3 года назад
@@Serenade2461 the thing is tho: building a bomb is much harder and even if you make it it isnt guaranteed to blow up, how we saw in this case (luckily). getting a gun and just shooting around is much easier (especially in america, but i guess you can get black market guns everywhere in the world). so i dont think it wouldnt have necessarily increased the amount of bombings.
@gabumonboys
@gabumonboys 5 лет назад
OH so they're the reason why parents and news anchors all believe that violent games turn kids into serial killers.
@DeandreSteven
@DeandreSteven 5 лет назад
Pretty much fake news
@bloodgain
@bloodgain 5 лет назад
It was already a thing, as was blaming Marilyn Manson, but this turned it up to 11 for a while. You can largely thank the scumbag lawyer Jack Thompson, as well as politicians like Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman who followed him (though they largely now disavow him) for stirring the pot on that. Pretty much all the research done at the time found no link, just as it hadn't with horror movies or heavy metal.
@SacredWaves
@SacredWaves 5 лет назад
It's the misinformation they spread for a bigger agenda. All narrative. Most shooters are on meds, and it never happens the way they said it did. Just look into Parkland. Many students said there were two shooters, in black armor, and the kid accused....was running down the hall with others. If you really research these things... (Not going Alex Jones...just done alot of research on this) you will find...very few are happening as they say.
@suzzannelson1708
@suzzannelson1708 5 лет назад
We know this isn't true. You have to be that person in your mind to be influenced like that light not to change the subject but everyone says Manson made those kids do it no once again your mind has to go in that direction a you would never just go along with something like that it's just a ridiculous notion
@willf5768
@willf5768 5 лет назад
A video on this subject matter ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hXlxTm2FirU.html
@hulkslayer626
@hulkslayer626 Год назад
When I read the book, that was the biggest and most chilling reveal! Had no idea that they had placed multiple explosives in the cafeteria that were set to go off at the specific time when the MOST students were present. If their plans had worked out, it would have been sooooooo much worse than it was! Horrifying to think about!
@gunprojects5398
@gunprojects5398 7 месяцев назад
i love the channel but after watching Sue Klebolds Tedtalk, I think she and her husband may have been more responsible for the shooting by ignoring her kids dangerous and alarming cues, and she also denies any blame or remorse for the situation that her son caused.
@budadams4241
@budadams4241 7 месяцев назад
Yep. That was very difficult to sit through and listen to her bullshit. She and her husband had a lot to do with what happened. Tons of warning signs. Other kids parents telling them their kid was fucked up, that Eric was fucked up. Terrible parenting and this was all totally preventable.
@samspade4703
@samspade4703 Месяц назад
@@budadams4241 Preventable, perhaps. Mitigated - maybe. But "totally preventable?" That seems too simple. How many parents confront the idea that their child is a murderer before something happens? This is not exactly a common thing. There is no verifiable guidebook on it. I agree that responsibility is shared. However, this does not mean that Columbine Shooting was totally preventable. Evil people will hide a lot or find work-arounds for obstacles. Be wary of falling into the trap that things are totally preventable. Instead, mitigating factors must also be shared. It is more complex, but more effective. Simple solutions will not work on complex problems, they just create new problems. As the parents must be more diligent and have more educational resources, so must schools as well. Banning firearms making a "War on Firearms" won't be any more effective than a "War on Drugs" was. They will just obtain them illegally and illegally obtained items cannot be traced as easily. And we cannot always prevent all problems. We must be willing to step up when problems arise, face them and give strength instead of focusing on blame and pointing fingers. In short, the biggest part of the problem is: Humans being humans. Opinionated enough to keep their minds closed around their opinions.
@sean..L
@sean..L 5 лет назад
I think murderers are sometimes idolized because they represent the actualization of certain power fantasies that people have.
@SalemK
@SalemK 5 лет назад
Yes. THIS.
@angelusvastator1297
@angelusvastator1297 5 лет назад
It gives that weird adrenalin rush to some people. I've felt it once before (no I haven't killed anyone so don't get it twisted).
@suikerpot9791
@suikerpot9791 4 года назад
Omg
@lloydchristmas4547
@lloydchristmas4547 4 года назад
@Randall Stevens LOL
@lloydchristmas4547
@lloydchristmas4547 4 года назад
Valid
@MusicLassy
@MusicLassy 4 года назад
All throughout middle school and highschool, people believed I would bomb the school because I was a loner and wore black. People need to stop this shit.
@julespoopoology
@julespoopoology 3 года назад
People really DO need to stop, and I hope the situation has gotten better with you
@joinks8309
@joinks8309 3 года назад
people are assholes. sorry that happened to you :/
@KianaWolf
@KianaWolf 3 года назад
Same thing happened to me. Even got suspended for allegedly making a bomb threat, despite being vocally in favor of stronger gun control, particularly restrictions on automatic firearms. But oh, I liked wearing black and didn't have many friends, so nobody cared about the actual truth... Being part of the LGBT community, in a midwest town, in the early 00's, certainly didn't do me any favors.
@chrisd2051
@chrisd2051 3 года назад
Got into a fight in high school, and yes I did enjoy a nice black peacoat and a black fedora, and the asshat dean of students went right there.
@SlyTreeRat
@SlyTreeRat 3 года назад
Can really tell the ages in this comment lol
@kimball_stone
@kimball_stone Год назад
I know this is an old video, but as a Columbine student of the era, that knew people involved with the shooting, I very much appreciate what you've done here.
@Saphirakii
@Saphirakii 7 месяцев назад
Sue was warned by the parents of the other boy that he was violent and dangerous and she shouldn't let her son around him. She ignored it and didn't pay attention and let so much of the terrorism be planned on her property and now tries to keep pushing that Dylan was a good kid who actually hated Eric but was dragged along for the ride. She's awful
@jordanbalke
@jordanbalke 7 месяцев назад
++
@ElyonDominus
@ElyonDominus 6 месяцев назад
The parents, the school, and the police were all notified. This video is not nearly long enough to properly discuss everything but for a video that seeks to highlight "what we get wrong" she got a ton wrong. Most charitably Sue is a narcissist.
@mar-k7104
@mar-k7104 6 месяцев назад
When did she say Dylan hated Eric? Ive personally never heard that claim. I have heard that she did try to keep the boys apart once they committed that car theft crime together, it’s just near impossible to get kids actually stop hanging out together when they want to and are in the same school, pretty much no parent has any luck on that front
@MunchyInTechnicolor
@MunchyInTechnicolor 6 месяцев назад
​@@ElyonDominusSomeone watched timmy2cents vid and got caught up in his disingenuous lies I see.
@ElyonDominus
@ElyonDominus 6 месяцев назад
@@MunchyInTechnicolor Who is a timmy2cents? Sue admits to being physically abusive and then turns around and emotionally manipulates her son. I've watched some of her interviews. Doing something right doesn't absolve you of doing so many things wrong. The most charitable opinion I can have of her is that she's a narcissist.
@RainCheck797
@RainCheck797 3 года назад
Pretty pissed that Cassies father came to my high school and gave a 2hr presentation to the whole school telling the "she said yes" story.
@jennabates7395
@jennabates7395 3 года назад
Yes, he came to mine too. (I was a teacher there.) He also facilitated a discussion that encouraged students to get up in front of the group and tell stories about times when they were bullied. The first few stories were legitimate and sad, but soon, all the students felt pressured to share a story, and the whole thing devolved into bandwagon thinking. Very dangerous, especially considering what Caitlin presents here.
@WhyDoIKeepFuckinUp
@WhyDoIKeepFuckinUp 3 года назад
@@jennabates7395 Lol
@dylanrodrigues
@dylanrodrigues 2 года назад
I don't know how I feel about this. Yes, the other student was the one who said yes to believing God and inaccuracy isn't good but I feel like this myth is how the parents cope with the loss of their daughter so I don't even feel comfortable criticizing them too much.
@rickjames8961
@rickjames8961 2 года назад
same, some poem about roses if I recall. I remember a movie about it, that had a gaysex shower scene. It was so absurd and had this implication that homosexuality had some negative influence on their behavior. The media are horrible propaganda spewing liars that say anything to support thier left-wing bull rape. They lied about Mathew Shepard, completely ignored his drug dealing, the robberie motive, the admitted lie of all involved with the gay panic defense. It was exposed as a defense attorney's justification for the brutal murder. The fact both killers were known to be involved with a man who ran a prostitution/limo service, the fact they all used meth. The murderer on a 3 day binge when they attempted to rob Mathew of a large amount of meth they were told he would have or would have the money from selling it. he didn't have it on him. In a fit of rage over no meth or money Mathew was beaten to death. All of those facts ignored and the people who speak of them are instantly labeled homophobic. All because some liar called every paper and news organization possible day after his murder saying it was some gaybashing at the hands of middle America Christians. A perfect story to fuel the myth of hateful bigots everywhere. The media lie to support their own interests. Mathew Shepard and the lies surrounding his death are what the Obama administration used to push anti hate crime legislation. Columbine was used to push the fcc and regulation hikes on violent cinema and video games as well as music.
@Du-Masses
@Du-Masses 2 года назад
Wow….messed up. He’s using his daughter’s death to proselytize while knowing it’s a lie.
@megabigblur
@megabigblur 4 года назад
Huge respect to Sue Klebold for her work. Also, laying out the fetishization and copycat murders in the USA helps explain why for instance in New Zealand the government didn't want to widely publicise the name of the mosque shooter. It kept the focus on the heroism of the victims and survivors. The guy who set out to kill them is just "some asshole".
@generichuman2044
@generichuman2044 3 года назад
Wow, I've only just realised that I don't remember his name. Guess NZ are a lot smarter than most countries because I can still name most mass shooters in the US for example
@peterbota1913
@peterbota1913 3 года назад
@4one14 "some asshole" is a meme/ something from a Wonderella comic IIRC
@TripleA_Battery
@TripleA_Battery 3 года назад
@@romansopoff4751 his name is “Some Asshole”
@HN-kr1nf
@HN-kr1nf 3 года назад
@@romansopoff4751 nobody cares. he's a murderer.
@romansopoff4751
@romansopoff4751 3 года назад
@@HN-kr1nf silencing history never proved to do any good.
@evenstar197
@evenstar197 2 месяца назад
I hate the idea that Dylan was "just suicidal" and Sue "didn't know." She's done a great PR campaign. However, she was aware enough to put her son on medication, be afraid of him at times, and write in her diary about these things. She KNEW he was suicidal and her claiming she didn't is absolutely insane. Another thing, Dylan was the FIRST to mention and write about NBK, their codename for the shooting. HE was annoyed Eric copied him on certain things. HE called Isaiah the N word. HE was the one who taunted Kyle. HE was the one on a LOT of stuff. His "innocent suicidal boy turned school shooter" is the most insane turn of events.
@gennivivecelesteeklund7762
@gennivivecelesteeklund7762 10 месяцев назад
As a genx goth this made my life hard for many many years
@SouthernBelleReviews
@SouthernBelleReviews 9 месяцев назад
Same ❤
@maureenzieber1523
@maureenzieber1523 5 лет назад
I was a junior in high school and I too was a goth. I was ignored until that day. After that day, I was picked on.
@melindaroop1346
@melindaroop1346 5 лет назад
I was a junior as well.
@MrsBrown-gw4ms
@MrsBrown-gw4ms 5 лет назад
I feel so young. I was only 2 years old when this happened and it still had a big impact on my life.
@owen_z_schwartz
@owen_z_schwartz 5 лет назад
turtleguppie 97 I wasn’t born for another 5 years after the shooting, yet it had a lasting impact on my schooling.
@MrsBrown-gw4ms
@MrsBrown-gw4ms 5 лет назад
@@owen_z_schwartz it forever changes the way schools conduct business and protect the children. It's terrible that we have to constantly life in fear. I live in Colorado and have for the past 15 years. And we just had some lunatic come threaten us again. I currently live in the north Easter corner right by Nebraska and although its safer here I still worry about my daughter when I take her to school.
@angelvee5093
@angelvee5093 5 лет назад
oh no that’s awful wtf
@seleuf
@seleuf 3 года назад
It's kinda surprising that the religious would latch onto "I believe in God. " instead of--or better yet, as well as--"I believe in God. "
@DarkestElemental616
@DarkestElemental616 3 года назад
Not really. The dead can't correct their assumptions. A living person is inconvenient for that.
@seasonsgreetings7191
@seasonsgreetings7191 3 года назад
s/o to 50 cent who was shot 9 times n survived
@batorsagandszerelem4474
@batorsagandszerelem4474 3 года назад
A lot of Christians are in love with the concept of martyrdom.
@JM-The_Curious
@JM-The_Curious 3 года назад
If they hadn't heard the Cassie version before the Val version, that could have been what got pushed. But both narratives are dangerous conclusions to draw if you then go onto extrapolate to all Christians and all non-Christians. It doesn't help anyone to present this world where evil non-Christians are coming to shoot them and they have a choice to either admit or deny their Christianity and where their soul ends up depends on the answer they give. Neither would it help if children/people were taught that you could extrapolate Val's story of surviving and say that was 'because' she was a believer. Not all believers will survive four bullets and that says nothing about the level of faith or how much God loves them, it's just the way it goes.
@seleuf
@seleuf 3 года назад
@@JM-The_Curious I agree with you 100%. I was just noting that--since Christianity loves doing precisely what you said they shouldn't do--it's odd they didn't latch onto both stories, but actually rejected the survivor story. Though, I suppose, embracing both stories would involve some narrative contradictions... Then again, when was the last time they actually cared about such things beyond hiring apologists to bullshit why things don't actually contradict each other if you just close your eyes and believe really hard.
@frankshadley9342
@frankshadley9342 Год назад
As a kid born in the 50's and grew up with guns, I learned at an early age the responsibility of owning a weapon. That's what is missing in today's society. A gun of any kind can not work without a person to either pull the trigger or set up a mechanical system to remotely set of the trigger. Goes to the old saying " Guns don't kill, people do.
@Kangaroojack1986
@Kangaroojack1986 Год назад
And people Somehow don't understand, Guns and schools have been around as long as this country. Guns used to be even easier to get. But school shootings seem to be a 21st century epidemic. So saying guns are the problem, Is like Blaming the existence of schools
@ryanellis7520
@ryanellis7520 7 месяцев назад
The fact that you speak truth is why I love you channel so much. Keep up the channel. Hope all is gold.
@HiMyNameIsKim
@HiMyNameIsKim 2 года назад
Had to give this a rewatch after the Uvalde shooting. Nothing has changed. And the media, once again, perpetuated the “lonely shooter”. That evil man was a BULLY. I hope Americans are as mad as I am, we need change. And the media needs to correct itself.
@michaellovely6601
@michaellovely6601 2 года назад
Caitlin gave a witty but painfully accurate observation on school shootings and school violence: they are as American as hamburgers, hot dogs, apple pie, baseball and Boston Terriers.
@whizkidliz
@whizkidliz 2 года назад
*applause*
@TheDrLeviathan
@TheDrLeviathan 2 года назад
I've been going back over the Columbine shooting, and have been shocked by how much matches up to Uvalde, mostly with the police response. Nothing has changed. Metal detectors and such look neat, but are a joke against a mass shooter. If someone is coming in wearing body armor and holding an unsuppressed AR, what's even the point of the metal detector? The same tragedy keeps playing out
@kittykittybangbang9367
@kittykittybangbang9367 2 года назад
Plus didn't the sh00ter also have history of violence against women, and several women tried to report this but the authorities ignored it?
@Scarshadow666
@Scarshadow666 Год назад
Sadly, the media correcting itself is probably going to be a rare occurrence, and even when it does sometimes people are slow to accept it when they have confirmation bias. Unfortunately, the "sad loner=dangerous" stereotype is baked into us, media misinformation or not (humans being social creatures have often scapegoated people that are considered "others", aka outsiders in their eyes, since the dawn of time). The media defaming the loner stereotype is just a gapaxy-brain way of humans to ostracize each other needlessly, as is unfortunately usual for us... 0_0
@stilleto1956
@stilleto1956 5 лет назад
I am incredibly impressed with Sue Klebold, and how she has used this tragedy to open peoples eyes to the truth of what happened. Instead of hiding in a place of shame! You did an awesome job on this, thank you!
@s.Klebold
@s.Klebold 5 лет назад
Stiletto 1956 it’s so sad , that women has gone through so much ;-; She’s so strong. Her husband divorced her because he didn’t want to talk about it but she did... she also battled & beat cancer. Truly an iconic women, I love how she truly wants to help the mental health community
@curiousworld7912
@curiousworld7912 5 лет назад
Stiletto 1956: As am I, as I said in my comment. I think about the shock and grief of first, losing a child in such a horrific manner and then, to learn that your child was also one of the perpetrators.... Bless Ms. Klebold's heart for her courage.
@erinmichaud3332
@erinmichaud3332 5 лет назад
Speaking as someone who has been suicidal, I feel for Sue. She is being blamed and shamed for something she knew nothing about because her son was so good at hiding what was really going on in his head. I know my family has no idea how many times they almost lost me because I was so good at putting on a happy face and not talking about it. I would love to meet her and thank her for talking about the price of untreated mental health issues.
@beccasmith1276
@beccasmith1276 5 лет назад
I admire sue klebold so much.
@elizabethfoster4297
@elizabethfoster4297 5 лет назад
She did an amazing TedTalk. Really heartfelt and sad.
@YogSoth
@YogSoth Год назад
Glad that you credited Dave Cullen’s “Columbine.” For anyone interested in Columbine, I couldn’t recommend that book enough. It really is the definitive history. No bs, just the facts. - A clarification on Cathy Burnall - she didn’t say yes or no. She was never asked the question. She was killed without any conversation.
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh 11 месяцев назад
Cathy? You mean Cassie. I feel sorry for Valeen Schnurr as she has been ostracized and branded as a liar by the Evangelical community for having dared to contradict the story.
@YogSoth
@YogSoth 11 месяцев назад
@@MichaelLovely-mr6oh Yep I misremembered her name, thanks. I absolutely agree with your point.
@CodyRushDriving
@CodyRushDriving Год назад
This happened my junior year of high school. I was the only goth kid in my school of 400. I received several one-on-ones with faculty and a few group-on-one talks from student cliques, trying to gauge my level of "will he do this too". Never had any intentions to do that, but the pressure to conform was never as high as it was during that time and after. Even wearing all black after that was viewed as insensitive.The silver lining in all that was at least people left me alone instead of making me the butt of in-jokes. They were too worried they'd turn me into another Columbine. Which of course they never were going to be able to do. On the one hand, I resented the Columbine kids for turning the spotlight on goth kids. On the other hand, I was happy for what I perceived as respect/fear that came along with it. Yes, at the time I was an edgy teenager, so it was easy to make the event all about me.
@engruls06
@engruls06 5 лет назад
In 2000 myself and some of my 'goth', 'troubled' friends were sent home and told not to come back dressed in black. My mom ripped the Principal a new asshole, that day. I was so proud of her. Love you, mom!
@branovices
@branovices 4 года назад
This exact scenario happened to me too.
@tiffprendergast
@tiffprendergast 4 года назад
Engruls OhSix what did u do afterwords
@speakoutloud8679
@speakoutloud8679 4 года назад
southwestpark forever That comment was completely unnecessary.
@jackie-tk9641
@jackie-tk9641 4 года назад
Hell, even years later (2011 for me) I still had the same public school issue. I wouldn't have even considered myself gothic at the time. I was just this misfit looking person that kind of fit into different categories or really none in general- however you look at it. I'd wear torn jeans (around the knees) with combat boots or high top converses and a baggy hoodie (or baggy band T-shirt). I'd have this small black fox tail attached to my NMbC messenger bag with some wacky anime pins and always have a book or drawing pad under my arm. Then one random day, with just that appearance alone, my teacher wouldn't let me in his class and the principle requested me to go home and change. It wasn't like I just randomly decided to dress differently either. All that was a gradually developed thing through the years. And when looking back at it, it wasn't like I was wearing spaghetti strap tank tops with a low cut cleavage, short skirts or short jean shorts, pants with holes in the rear, or even flip flops. All those things were not allowed at my school because it showed too much skin. I was the complete opposite with clothing covering me head to toe, but just because it was deemed "unusual" or considered "goth/emo", I was informed to dress differently. To come back looking "normal." I didn't change a damn thing. In fact, I made sure to amp it up. If some preppy chick with her gal pals can wear skirts that barely touch the middle of their thigh, that if the wind would pick up they could flash people, I can wear how many layers of black I wanted. By the time I graduated I would have considered my appearance very gothic thanks to that school system personal vendetta.
@rachelsnapp5825
@rachelsnapp5825 4 года назад
Hell yes!
@Theturtleowl
@Theturtleowl 4 года назад
I admire that Dylans mother is doing what she does. Everyday she must be reminded what her son did and the pain he caused.
@HinataElyonToph
@HinataElyonToph 3 года назад
And the angry people who still think they’re being heroes by slandering her for being a bad mother when she clearly was not
@totallynotarussianspy5336
@totallynotarussianspy5336 3 года назад
@@HinataElyonToph i think dylan's (it might have been eric's) dad was a good man too. He called the police on his own son when he heard about the shooting at columbine, he checked for his son's trenchcoat, when he saw it was gone he called the police to say his son was the shooter.
@DibIrken
@DibIrken 3 года назад
This is the comment I want to be on top. I feel like she does this almost to atone for sins she didn't commit.
@dylanrodrigues
@dylanrodrigues 2 года назад
Totally Not A Russian Spy do you have sources for this? I read Dave Cullen's book and it mentioned how both parents tried to keep key evidence out of the public eye.
@-archer-
@-archer- 2 года назад
@@dylanrodrigues oh, a book told you? That must have all the info.
@frances-if5fp
@frances-if5fp 5 месяцев назад
Thank you Caitlyn for taking on such a heavy subject so fearlessly and candidly, and not shying away from the gun problem...
@madelineedwards3618
@madelineedwards3618 8 месяцев назад
Sue is a narcissist who does not take responsibility for badly parenting her son. She turned a blind eye to what he was doing and who he associated with. Now she gathers attention and feeds off of her sons heinous acts.
@emilyann9664
@emilyann9664 7 месяцев назад
thank you! it’s not that there were no signs like she claims, she chose to ignore them.
@marianaarreola2189
@marianaarreola2189 7 месяцев назад
I just watched a really good video on this. There’s an interview with the parents of a friend of Dylan, the parents tried telling Sue many times that Erick is dangerous and she never listened. She also seemed to ignore all the illegal activities her son did
@louinth
@louinth 7 месяцев назад
You are just wrong and this video is also wrong...
@paulie9483
@paulie9483 7 месяцев назад
*Cashing in her son's heinous acts.
@Achromasloth
@Achromasloth 6 месяцев назад
I just saw a video that told me what to think too
@Bimby-b
@Bimby-b Год назад
I think the narrative Sue thinks of her son is how she copes, if you watch Dylan and hear stories he was just as violent and sadistic, especially when people were dying he taunted people all the same. They had different personalities and Eric was more manipulative but the level of "evil" to do this was shared
@CHRB-nn6qp
@CHRB-nn6qp 8 месяцев назад
She constantly shifts blame off of herself and onto everyone else. As much as she might not want to believe it, she was his mother, and she had a responsibility. Despite all the red flags, she failed.
@lisettespelt
@lisettespelt 8 месяцев назад
⁠literally, and she had a lot of warning and red flags years before this happened, yet nothing was done
@carolinacoreas7716
@carolinacoreas7716 8 месяцев назад
I hate the people who keep excusing her lack of awareness of red flags by comparing it to red flags in a relationship. The former is not the same because in this scenario, the mom should've done something about his mental health a long time ago. She couldn't have seen that her son would end up doing the thing he did, but he was still "getting bullied". If she knew he was getting bullied she would've probably gotten him help for his depression, but she didn't, she chose to ignore it. This kid also had a lot of run-ins with the law, she is allowed to think that it doesn't make him a bad person, but what she neglected to do was to get him help to get to the root cause of why he kept getting in trouble and also to remove him from whoever and wherever was causing him to act out. But no, she didn't, she denied it, ignored it, and when it happened she shifted part of the responsibility off of herself and defended her son by painting Eric as the main perpetrator when the fact is that both of them were equally horrible people. She's a narcissist and even the parents of the victims could tell and distanced themselves from her.
@user-xi7gz6sz4w
@user-xi7gz6sz4w 7 месяцев назад
Not according to the psychologist who examined his journals.
@kimmehamehaaa7241
@kimmehamehaaa7241 6 месяцев назад
​@carolinacoreas7716 tbf I think you would also distance yourself from the woman who's son murdered your child...
@stephanieadlerm
@stephanieadlerm 4 года назад
I survived one of these. I was and am in a wheelchair. It was at my college. At the time, I was living in a shelter for battered women who were also homeless. School and the shelter were the two places I felt safe. My few trusted friends and all of my professors knew my situation in case something went bonkers or the people I was hiding from were looking for me. When it first started, I thought it was them who were involved. Myself, along with other disabled people present that day were unable to leave for 5+ hours. I still hear the sounds of the weapons and fellow students. I already had PTSD from the abuse I went through and this one made it worse/another PTSD event. My professor stayed with me the whole time until I got back to the shelter to help me feel safe again. The shelter put a ban on people talking about it and told the others if they wanted to read the papers/talk about it to do so far away from my presence. A good friend of mine took me out of town for about five days so that I would not be surrounded by media/people talking about it. Their dog knew I was hurting. He did not leave my side the whole time. They literally had to pick him up and bring him outside to do his business. He was half german shepard, half border collie (so a big boy). If my wheelchair moved even one inch, he'd take one step to be sure to ALWAYS be next to me, I am not exaggerating. I did not want to know the person's name. I did not want to hear about their life. I wanted (and still do for every event like this) to know about the victims. The news should not be talking about the people who do this and instead talk about the victims and the survivors. When reporting the news, they should say something along the lines of "There has been a(n) [event like this] at xyz school. There was XX amount of perpetrators but they killed themselves/died because of police cross fire/been taken into custody to face charges/etc..." (Note: I STILL have to refer to the events by a name other than an event or "one of these" that is why in my above statement about reporting on the event(s) I call it an "event like this"). I am almost certain that the number of school events like this would diminish if people stopped talking about the people who commit these acts. Part of why they do it this way (Other than going to a field to commit suicide) is because they know the media like to report all the "juicy" details of the people who do this and not the victims. I also know not all of them then kill themselves but I'm generalizing for simplicity.
@80SivaD80
@80SivaD80 4 года назад
How absolutely terrifying! I am so incredibly sorry you have gone through ALL of that! Hope you are safe and well! 💕
@johnburt7935
@johnburt7935 3 года назад
As my people put it, I am holding you in the Light.
@stephanieadlerm
@stephanieadlerm 3 года назад
@@80SivaD80 Thank you. I am definitely safe. I am now on hospice care for a terminal medical condition. At the time I wrote my initial comment I was not terminal. I only mention this because of your comment about being safe and well. I am glad I found this channel long before I needed to start planning my own funeral/burial because now I can have my wish of an eco burial - something I didn't know was a thing until I saw the video about it!
@zenith3948
@zenith3948 3 года назад
@@stephanieadlerm what condition is it?
@stephanieadlerm
@stephanieadlerm 3 года назад
@@zenith3948 A genetic condition that has yet to be named and Gastroparesis (digestive tract paralysis). I get all my nutrition via a central line in IV form. It is the complications from this last resort treatment that I am dying. It sucks.
@ghw7192
@ghw7192 7 месяцев назад
I keep coming back to this video. You are an amazing, insightful lady and, like with all of your videos, I learn much.
@LuisRios-pw4ig
@LuisRios-pw4ig 7 месяцев назад
Religion had nothing to do with it; but…
@MalloryKnox.
@MalloryKnox. Год назад
I’m ashamed to say it, but I was one of those kids who was obsessed with Dylan and Eric. I was so full of hurt, hate, anger, and had less than zero sense of self worth. I also had zero sense of empathy. Like none. I thought empathy was fake, like people were making it up to be polite. I couldn’t grasp the concept of caring about other people, only myself. I always wanted to hurt people, to kill, since I was about 4 years old. I have hurt a LOT of living creatures, including humans. When I started high school I became obsessed with Columbine, and started to plan my own event. I even had a boyfriend at the time who was one year older, and was helping me plan. We were infatuated with the whole idea, for YEARS. Thankfully something clicked in my brain when I was about 16, and suddenly I felt empathy for another person, my mother. It was strange, and new, and unwelcome, but it grew and developed pretty quickly into full on caring for others, and to this day I’m one of the most empathetic people you’ll meet. I wouldn’t dream of hurting anyone now, I just want to erase that part of my life. I don’t know for sure why my empathy didn’t develop at the same age as everyone else’s, or why I was so angry all the time, but I think I was traumatised as a toddler and it stunted my emotional growth. So yeah, before anyone hates on these kids who idolise school shooters, remember please that some of them aren’t fully functioning in the head, and they aren’t bad people, they just need a LOT of help, and maybe to be taken out of mainstream school.
@nebuloranebuflora470
@nebuloranebuflora470 5 лет назад
Time and time again, I am astounded by how well you discuss sensitive topics in your videos. Your content is very much appreciated!
@katiekane5247
@katiekane5247 5 лет назад
Agree & cool doggo
@AbigailArwen
@AbigailArwen 5 лет назад
I agree with Aron 100%. Thank you Caitlin.
@starsanchez3631
@starsanchez3631 5 лет назад
Well said, I totally agree..
@M-CH_
@M-CH_ 5 лет назад
Well, this kind of sensitivity is sort of a must in her trade...
@louibeans
@louibeans 5 лет назад
@@M-CH_ yet it shouldn't be taken for granted.
@taplast2503
@taplast2503 5 лет назад
*"I wouldn't say a single word to them, I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did."* - Marilyn Manson When asked what he would say to the poeple in the Columbine community.
@cartergirl3of3
@cartergirl3of3 5 лет назад
thats actually really beautiful
@joshvoyles7870
@joshvoyles7870 5 лет назад
Yeah, but Marilyn Manson also has a messiah complex. Besides, they weren’t even fans.
@taplast2503
@taplast2503 5 лет назад
@@joshvoyles7870 Yeah a messiah complex that makes sense, hence his message always being "be yourself" right?
@mewtorna4694
@mewtorna4694 5 лет назад
@@joshvoyles7870 Yeah but he didn't say that because he thought they were fans, he just answered this in an interview
@joshvoyles7870
@joshvoyles7870 5 лет назад
Yeah, I know the context. I’ve met Marilyn Manson four times. The guy thinks he’s Jesus of the goths.
@succubitch1054
@succubitch1054 7 месяцев назад
sue klebold is not someone we should be looking to for anything, she to this day downplays her sons role in Columbine and hers as a mother.
@succubitch1054
@succubitch1054 7 месяцев назад
the way she speaks about mental health is also incredibly alarm tripping, calling it "brain" health repeatedly.
@succubitch1054
@succubitch1054 7 месяцев назад
Dylan was just as violent, murderous and sadistic as Eric, he was not a follower and he did not want to kill himself more than others, these are lies spread by sue klebold that you can debunk when you actually look at the stuff left behind by Dylan and Eric.
@user-kl8fm5pw9j
@user-kl8fm5pw9j Год назад
Excellent video, and a welcome change to what we seem to usually here. Viewed here over the other side of "the pond" it is very hard to wrap your head around the sheer scale and frequency of shootings in the US.
@too-da-loo
@too-da-loo 2 года назад
The biggest thing that came out of Columbine was a change to police procedure so that they went in to confront the killers immediately... oh, wait, never mind.
@OrianaBats
@OrianaBats Год назад
Nah, it was the several dresscode changes to ban trench-coats and all black clothing in several schools, because that definitely will solve everyone's problems!
@ketchupstudios9070
@ketchupstudios9070 Год назад
@@OrianaBats i got dress coded for wearing a leather jacket after i got a buzz cut and im now 99% sure it was because of this
@alexwyatt2911
@alexwyatt2911 Год назад
Oh, Columbine _did_ change police procedure. But Uvalde failed to follow it. The bank shooting in Louisville and the school shooting in Nashville were two examples of an excellent police response. In Louisville, it was 9 minutes. It took 9 minutes from the first 911 call to the execution of the shooter. And even at Robb Elementary, the police response was (initially) immediate. The police entered the school three minutes after the shooter did. Everything fell apart when the shooter began shooting at the police from behind a closed classroom door. It’s hard to contemplate how badly the Uvalde police handle the school shooting. Every decision was worse than the one before it. It’s too bleak to think about for long.
@runechuckie
@runechuckie Год назад
The irony of Uvalde is where it happened, In gun country Texas where "if the police or a single civilian had a gun they could have stopped the shooter!!!"....yeah time and time again it's been shown that most civilians with guns flee, and police sometimes are just pussies. Nashville was a really good example of how things should be done. Less than 10 minutes anand the threat was neutralized.
@freethebirds3578
@freethebirds3578 Год назад
@@alexwyatt2911 There are a few other changes for the better. The kids in the library at Columbine could have escaped through the fire exit long before the shooters got there, but they were told to "shelter in place" and they died needlessly. Active shooter training now tells people to try to escape and fight back instead of being easy targets.
@TheKorfish
@TheKorfish 4 года назад
"The most disgusting thing about columbine was the news coverage"-Marilyn Manson
@monicavanderbelt3935
@monicavanderbelt3935 4 года назад
That is a very strange thing to say considering people were killed
@TheKorfish
@TheKorfish 4 года назад
@@monicavanderbelt3935 this is referring to the constant coverage and the exploitation of the 24hr news cycle.
@monicavanderbelt3935
@monicavanderbelt3935 4 года назад
@@TheKorfish I know, but still...
@_Spy_
@_Spy_ 4 года назад
@@monicavanderbelt3935 He was somehow blame for that and that's awful.
@terrietackett8964
@terrietackett8964 4 года назад
He was blamed for it....Hence his outrage.
@veezopolis
@veezopolis 7 месяцев назад
Wow you really think that Dylan was a poor sheep following around an evil man instead of an equally despicable monster? Because his mom says so?
@Achromasloth
@Achromasloth 6 месяцев назад
Wild to see every comment made in the last two months be regurgitations of some guy's video about Sue Klebold.
@sinandcyanide7505
@sinandcyanide7505 4 года назад
I was a sophomore when this happened. I was also one of the only goths at my school. A lot of people started thinking I'd do the same thing and a senior who always wore a trench coat was asked to stup wearing it. He did so, respectfully, though he noted that he had every right to wear it and was only stoppig out of respect for the victims and to make others feel more comfortable at the school.
@jackalope2302
@jackalope2302 4 года назад
I'm glad I graduated a year before it happened. I was into heavy metal, D&D and gothic literature, was the only Asian kid (AKA, racial pariah) in my rural Alabama high school and very socially awkward. I actually verbally threatened (not seriously) to shoot the school, knowing full well that I didn't have access to firearms or enough resentment to go thru with it. But if I had been in school when it happened, all eyes would have been on me.
@sinandcyanide7505
@sinandcyanide7505 4 года назад
@@jackalope2302 it probably didn't help that my purse was a WWII ammunitions box.
@jackalope2302
@jackalope2302 4 года назад
@@sinandcyanide7505 Nice
@yamidom9134
@yamidom9134 3 года назад
wow what a dude ✨✊✨
@sinandcyanide7505
@sinandcyanide7505 3 года назад
@@yamidom9134 very mature, stand up guy.
@oliveri3534
@oliveri3534 5 лет назад
I am so happy that Mrs. Klebold has been able to work for good against what her son did. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for her, even now.
@claudellejulien3019
@claudellejulien3019 5 лет назад
I can't even imagine what it's like to lose a child but I think the most heartbreaking thing about this is him leaving the world in a state of shock and terror with so many questions unanswered to his family. I think not knowing why would be the worst for me.
@KM-ld9ln
@KM-ld9ln 5 лет назад
Nina I to have a child is to bring life to something you’d love unconditionally. And her child changed her to center her life around teaching love and going against her son. To speak of his bad for so long must be exhausting.
@dr.decker8185
@dr.decker8185 5 лет назад
I don't know how I feel about her. One she has profited a whole lot from the tragedy. Two when they interviewed her as the shooting was happening she prayed for them to kill her son and not take him alive. Kinda strange.
@jtw.111
@jtw.111 5 лет назад
@@dr.decker8185 Many of the proceeds from her book go to mental health research, so she's not pocketing all the cash. And the reason she prayed for Dylan's death is so he wouldn't kill any more kids. She wanted it to stop
@randomhuman4623
@randomhuman4623 5 лет назад
She has a Ted talk on RU-vid about it!^^
@bananonymoussupreme3345
@bananonymoussupreme3345 8 месяцев назад
Its kind of messed up that as a kid, i was told about Cassie and straight up expected to die for the church. AS A CHILD.
@deliriouscheeto
@deliriouscheeto 7 месяцев назад
Churches are extremely fucked up. Besides what you said, they also tell you to act good or else you will be punished forever, not bc it's actually a right thing to do. They scare little children and tell them from the moment they're able to understand words that if they do anything silly, they have to confess it to a random stranger who then has a massive power over them.
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh
@MichaelLovely-mr6oh 6 месяцев назад
It's really screwed up that you were told this and expected to give your life in the name of your faith.
@inkgore
@inkgore Год назад
my school got a threat from a kid and no one took it seriously. the whole day people (the boys mainly) were setting off those paper popper things and making everyone panic-y. the principal finally heard of the situation and from what i was told expelled the kid. most of the police officers didn't do anything though and played it off as a sick joke, thank goodness for my principal and the only officer who took it seriously because i recently found out the kids whole plan. he was going to do it during 6th hour, he sat right behind me.. :/
@vlad5042
@vlad5042 7 месяцев назад
and yet in certain schools u can get put in handcuffs for popping a chip bag in the cafeteria
@inkgore
@inkgore 7 месяцев назад
exactly@@vlad5042
@nathanjw940
@nathanjw940 5 лет назад
Sue Klebold has done a lot of good. Her honesty and efforts to mental health has saved lives in more ways because of her son.
@briastone7906
@briastone7906 5 лет назад
nater 1 ummmm she kind of raised the mass murder so she’s not that great
@brandon17760
@brandon17760 5 лет назад
@@briastone7906 oh yes blame the parents 🙄 sometimes people are born fucked in the head. Grow up
@persephone3892
@persephone3892 5 лет назад
Sue Klebold shifts blame from herself by saying there was nothing she could have done...all while letting her teenager create a website in her basement unsupervised for years and ignoring signs of his mental state. Sue Klebold says her son was manipulated by Eric Harris, and puts 100% of the blame on Eric. She doesnt even blame herself or neglectful parenting in the slightest. And now shes going around giving speeches like shes special and a victim...
@nathanjw940
@nathanjw940 5 лет назад
She says what she missed. I knew a family that went through a situation that wasn't as bad but still a national crime. They were the ones that were the first to help when we needed something.
@raina3545
@raina3545 5 лет назад
@@persephone3892 why would she be putting all of her profits into mental health research and efforts into educating other people if she thought there wasn't more she could've done? it seems she wants other parents to do what she failed to
@ravendevino6419
@ravendevino6419 5 лет назад
Sue Klebold seems like an absolute angel of an individual. I watched her Ted Talk, and it seems like she has dedicated her life to prevent anything like that ever happening again.
@Sup3rD4ve
@Sup3rD4ve 5 лет назад
@@croatiangambler8059 That is a cruel and callous thing to say about a cancer-surviving mother of a teen suicide who has devoted her life to making sure that no one else suffers like she has. As the Bible says in Romans 3:23, *all* humans are sinners and fall short of the glory of God; can you honestly say that you've done as much as Sue Klebold has done to make up for your own sins? Judge not, lest ye be judged.
@ravendevino6419
@ravendevino6419 5 лет назад
@@croatiangambler8059 Have you been in her situation? What would have you done better? Get the fuck out of here with your christian self righteousness. I don't think your Jesus would condone, or your god would appreciate your attitude.
@whatever.1765
@whatever.1765 5 лет назад
Danijel Mornarić there will always be bad parents. How does any of this relate to if your raised on religion? Do you mean to say that if your parents are Christian, they are good parents? I can assure you that is not the case.
@ravendevino6419
@ravendevino6419 5 лет назад
@@whatever.1765 Also, Dylan's parents were Christian and Jewish. Eric's were Christian.
@Sup3rD4ve
@Sup3rD4ve 5 лет назад
@@croatiangambler8059 I don't believe that it is proper for human beings to judge one another, because that's not our place. You can judge others if you like, but it ultimately makes no difference (and will probably make you very unhappy in the meantime), since God isn't going to ask your opinion on the Day of Judgement when he's handing out the smitings and damnations. As it says in James 4:12, "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbor?" I would recommend that you watch Sue Klebold's TED Talk (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BXlnrFpCu0c.html). It may not change your mind that she made some serious mistakes in raising her son (a fact which she freely admits) but hopefully it will help you see that she has endured a great deal of pain and emotional suffering for the last two decades. If you want her to suffer for her shortcomings as a parent, then you can rest easy knowing that she has, and will continue to do so eternally after death as well (if God has, as you say, judged her and found her wanting).
@c0rc0rsays
@c0rc0rsays Год назад
“We lost count a while ago” and this is 4 years ago :
@jimsmith6937
@jimsmith6937 Год назад
I’ve watched this video several times over the years. It’s still difficult for me. Thanks for your earnest and honest perspective.
@wanderinghistorian
@wanderinghistorian 3 года назад
I was in high school when Columbine happened too. The aftermath was just SOOO weird. I had a friend who wore a raincoat, not a trenchcoat, to school every day. Every. Day. for at least a year. Teachers knew he wore it. The day after Columbine the principal caught him by the arm and told him that he was out of dress code for wearing a "trenchcoat." My friend corrected him that it was just a raincoat, not a trenchcoat, and there was nothing in the dress code about either. The principal marched him off to the office where they dusted off the dress code and read it. Of course there was nothing in there about any kind of coat. The principal let him go but told him he would be changing the code soon. My friend told him, "Fine, and until then, I'll keep wearing my coat." I always thought ill of our principal for that, but as an adult and a parent I now understand that the poor man was just absolutely terrified something was going to happen to the students and was just going nuts doing anything he could to stop what he probably thought was inevitable.
@francespowell6923
@francespowell6923 3 года назад
It's weird though, isn't it? Did the principal think making someone change their mode of dress would prevent a shooting?
@julietardos5044
@julietardos5044 3 года назад
Guns don't kill people, trench coats kill people.
@kendra4140
@kendra4140 3 года назад
The principal was probably trying to discourage any kind of glorification or celebration of the massacre under his watch. Whether it was intentional glorification, incidental, or could just be interpreted that way by parents or a school board, I'm sure he didn't want it coming down on him. But it's important to remember that principal-age adults are people too - seeing the long raincoat after such a horrible event was probably pretty triggering for him, and maybe triggering or causing fear in other students who were dealing, for the first time, with the possibility of gun violence in schools.
@catgirl6803
@catgirl6803 3 года назад
We had a similar situation in my high school after Columbine. There was a group of about 8 boys who were all friends who wore the black trench coats and sort of goth and didn't really talk to anyone else. The day after Columbine as soon as the buses pulled in, the principal gathered them all up and had them sit on the floor in the office. I remember seeing them all sitting their upset as I walked by the office that was all glass. And the vice principal searched all their lockers for any evidence that they would do the same. They were also told that they couldn't wear their trench coats. But I admit, I was terrified. One of the boys would stand behind me while I was at my locker and would say "I am going to kill all the cheerleaders", when I was in my uniform. I reported him and he got suspended. The rest of the boys weren't a problem, but that one was depressed and suicidal. He later said Columbine actually saved his life, because he was then forced into therapy.
@catgirl6803
@catgirl6803 3 года назад
@@kendra4140 in my school's situation (see my story below), the kids wore their trench coats again then next day because they thought it was ridiculous that clothing, music, and games were being blamed for their choices. They wanted to show that wearing a trench coat doesn't define who you are. Only the one kid wore it as intimidation/glorification.
@paytonmanning1109
@paytonmanning1109 2 года назад
I’m so glad you put Sue Klebold’s story in this. She really didn’t deserve all the hate she got, and still gets, I’m sure. Such a sweet woman who went through the worst thing imaginable. She lost her child and then had to deal with her child ripping other children away from their families. Because in the end, she lost just as much as every other family that day. If not more, because she lost the right to grieve because of her sons actions. She does such great work and I’m incredibly proud of her.
@pongespob
@pongespob 2 года назад
It's too bad she was asleep at the switch along with her husband and Harris' parents. Like a lot of parents they were way too complacent, naive and unaware. Should have known much more about what was going on in their minor kids' lives and in their heads.
@alexwyatt2911
@alexwyatt2911 Год назад
@@schmowder1911 From everything I’ve ever seen from Sue Klebold as well as other reporting (that wasn’t sensationalized), Sue was an involved, caring mother. If loving someone was enough, then things like this wouldn’t happen. No one can love another person “better.” And I think you’re right, it would be comforting to think that no one can hide themselves from others, but that’s simply not true. A family friend was the first woman to commit a murder-suicide in my hometown. That woman and her daughter are in at least a third of the photos from when I was a baby. Our families are in each other’s holiday home videos. I saw that woman just a couple of weeks before she died. I knew her to be a loving, energetic, and pragmatic person. I wouldn’t have guessed in a million years that she would have done what she did. It’s been more than 15 years and it’s still difficult to believe. People hide. Because they’re scared or ashamed. And people hide because they’re nurturing the darkest parts of themselves and do not want to let it go.
@VenomHalos
@VenomHalos Год назад
@@alexwyatt2911 This. A few years ago, I learned some things about an absolutely BELOVED family member, and it was just… devastating. It made me feel like my entire relationship with them was a lie. It was, and is, so difficult to wrap my head around the fact that the person I’d known and loved my entire life was so very, very different from the person other family members had known. There’s still a part of me that loves them and always will, but now it’s horribly tainted.
@alexwyatt2911
@alexwyatt2911 Год назад
@@VenomHalos I'm so sorry. That sounds genuinely devasating to endure
@spudthepug
@spudthepug Год назад
@@pongespob this is not going to be comforting for you. It’s actually not hard to hide your true intentions if you’re devious enough. I knew my parents’ patterns VERY well. How they thought, how they reacted to things, and what they expected to see in every day life. I knew how to mask my true self and intentions from my family and friends. I never committed any atrocities because I recognized that innocents exist and hurting them wouldn’t solve anything. I also had no desire to be famous or known for that matter. The final block against it was the pug my username is named after. He kept my anger from evolving into the kind of rage that fuels massacres. Now his successor is doing the same.
@Joe93819
@Joe93819 5 месяцев назад
I really appreciate the unbiased video clearing up all the myths and misconception’s it actually addressed the biggest issue and best of all it had no politics
@SwedePotato314
@SwedePotato314 11 месяцев назад
I was in middle school when this happened and had been born in Colorado so it was the first time I felt old enough to understand and have some tangential connection to something on the news that also dealt with kids who weren’t adults hurting others. It hit me hard. I was already terrified of high school. I remember everyone trying to villainize Marilyn Manson and Eminem in the aftermath. The media terrified parents. Life for kids, especially any of us who were not in that popular clean cut group, was hard for a while. Any weird doodles we drew, any music we listened to, movies we watched, friends we had… were heavily scrutinized for signs of “going Columbine”. Instead of taking measures against gun control, they made the kids and the music/video games/movies we consumed into the bad guys. Instead of the adults of the world taking accountability, they looked at kids for blame. Instead of worrying about how they were able to get access to bomb building material and multiple high powered weapons, they tried to blame music, video games and kids. I remember Marilyn Manson went on a late night conservative talk show and the host asks him all these inane questions and tried to trap him. My opinion on him and his music is neither here nor there, but he IS a very smart person. The host asks “well what you have said to them?” Marilyn said “I wouldn’t say anything, I would’ve listened. Because no one else did.” And that’s the truth of it. Instead of doing that, listening to us and letting us work out our weird periods when our bodies and lives are changing, our emotions are all over the place, we don’t know where we fit into the world, we want more control of our lives but we have minimal life experience… middle and high school are incredibly challenging times for kids. Instead of doing what needed to be done and listening to us and limiting people’s access to firearms etc, they placed the blame on us and watched our every move, interpreted our thoughts, words and actions completely wrongly, accused us and only ever created an environment of distrust with access to guns. Nice job, guys. I don’t blame the parents- the media frightened them for their children. I do blame the media and the politicians, and the government at large. This is the best video I’ve seen on this topic, and I appreciate the honesty and most of the discussion in the comments. No one is going to agree on everything and that’s ok, but it isn’t ok to loudly spew hate and misinformation and then completely close your eyes and ears and refuse to listen to anyone else’s opinion. I genuinely hope that one day we can come together and change this entire situation for the better and for the next few generations. I have my own children now and I wish I had all the answers and could promise them complete safety at school but I can’t and that hurts.
@SwedePotato314
@SwedePotato314 10 месяцев назад
@@LPW638 what does that have ANYTHING to do with anything I said? I said he made a great point, not that he was a great guy.
@SwedePotato314
@SwedePotato314 10 месяцев назад
@@LPW638 did you literally not read what I said my opinion on him was? Reading comprehension. I never ONCE defended him for anything close to it.
@deborah3250
@deborah3250 3 года назад
I was a sophomore in Austin, TX when this happened and less than a week afterwards I was "randomly selected" for questioning and a counselling evaluation along with all the other students who found dark fabrics fashionable.
@420BabaYaga
@420BabaYaga 3 года назад
Me too senior 99. Now I'm a psychologist. It was open season on all the weird kids and a huge witch hunt
@isaaclemaster1142
@isaaclemaster1142 3 года назад
@@420BabaYaga so was my mom, she did a project on it for current events I think. She was pregnant with me, and being the hippie kid with the punk boyfriend, folks looked at her even stranger than before. Luckily my dad was already dropped out during all of this, I'm sure the school system would've torn his ass apart
@readabookwithme
@readabookwithme 2 года назад
Same I was in Middle School and the most bullied there to the point I now have PTSD. I swear my counselor was dying for me to confess my plan...
@AammaK
@AammaK 2 года назад
Great… cause it’s so effective to profile people based on clothing and not for example threatening behavior and social issues. If profiling is even necessary in the first place. It just sound so pointless, people wanting to focus on anything really to make sense of it, but then ending up selecting completely wrong aspects to cling to. It’s a ”save you face” kind of solution, not so much ”how are the kids really doing” type of a plan. Such a shame.
@Reality.juiced
@Reality.juiced 2 года назад
Me too. Graduated in 02. We called it being red flagged.
@terabenesch5253
@terabenesch5253 4 года назад
I am and was a goth. I was 19 when this happened. And because these guys were called Goths. My friends and I were attacked and harassed for months after. A friend of mine had a rock thrown at his head during a funeral. My neighbour and friend had a group of people planning to show up to his house and assault him. And I was followed several times including when I was pregnant with my first child. Thankfully I was not alone because these people yelled at me and were very intimidating.
@Jendromeda
@Jendromeda 3 года назад
have you heard the crime story of the Memphis Three? goth related....sent to prison, exonerated, released from prison many years later....outcases due to goth clothing, music etc.
@terabenesch5253
@terabenesch5253 3 года назад
@@Jendromeda Yes. I have the day they were released tattooed on my wrist. I followed them for years.
@420BabaYaga
@420BabaYaga 3 года назад
Senior in 99. Remember that week. Like when the natzis burned the Warsaw getto, it was open season on all the weird kids. I was a goth and a loner. Had my big leather trench, the police even cuffed me. My family are all police, and hell broke loose. But now I'm a psychologist listen to death metal in my vest and tie. DU HAST!
@blackdragon796
@blackdragon796 3 года назад
@@420BabaYaga I sence a rammstein fan🤘😸
@michaellovely6601
@michaellovely6601 2 года назад
@@Jendromeda The case of the West Memphis Three was in many ways a modern version of the Salem Witch Trials in Massachusetts back in 1692.
@slyscafe
@slyscafe 9 месяцев назад
I am glad you got all of the details exactly right. I've read through a transcript of the pdf file of the police interviews (which includes a nearly-excessive use of the verbiage " advised that..."). Fascinating to see firsthand how so many people can remember everything so differently, but also how trauma like that affects peoples' memory is saddening. But also whenever my best friend and I had discovered Brooks Brown's blog, it was harrowing to say the least, and he's well-spoken. But the fact that my best friend and I looked at each other and were like, "nah... We share similarities with being interested in the 'Anarchists Cookbook' like them, and also like 'violent' videogames, but that's as far as it goes. We theoretically could, and so could anyone, but we have absolutely no desire to do so." I can understand that mindset to a very small extent, but do not agree with it at all. People want to be heard, be known, be 'understood', and sometimes will do ANYTHING to get it. It is sadly a shame and abhorrently disgraceful that this was the avenue they chose. Being a teenager can be and is tough, but taking the lives of others and hurting MANY more, is no excuse. It is selfish and it is wrong.
@dirtfarmer3891
@dirtfarmer3891 Год назад
Caitlin, you have done the world a huge favor in addressing the need for mental health research. I proudly support The Brain and Behavior Research Foundation every year. If only we could all imagine a world without mental illness!
@lennongalla1412
@lennongalla1412 5 лет назад
I 10000% agree with the not naming the shooters/murderers thing. If you think about it, it is so horrible having to see these people’s faces and stories plastered everywhere. I believe that as long as there’s money in publishing all this information (for news outlets etc.), it will never stop.
@ThatgeekNolan
@ThatgeekNolan 5 лет назад
lennon galla well said. The desire for notoriety is a big motivator behind this kind of violence.
@wallydraigle5382
@wallydraigle5382 5 лет назад
Hitler
@VentraleStar
@VentraleStar 5 лет назад
But then how would we know if this was a pattern, if certain population were more active. Much of research would be stalled and we wouldn't know how to prevent this without knowing the people who did kt.
@TeddyKrimsony
@TeddyKrimsony 5 лет назад
well what about the las vegas shooter? he left nothing pointing to his motive but judging by his life he fits the social reject criteria.
@FletcherCat
@FletcherCat 5 лет назад
Disturbed made a song about this, "Legion of Monsters"
@gabriellef3351
@gabriellef3351 Год назад
I remember being asked if i was part of trench coat mafia when this happened. People were really looking to blame the weirdos
@derkeheath5172
@derkeheath5172 Год назад
I caught so much shit from old people for wearing a trenchcoat when I was a teen in the early 90s. Couldn't go into any store without being followed around. I wouldn't have dared to wear one AFTER Columbine. Wouldn't want to be associated with those two asswipes.
@mayjailerxx
@mayjailerxx 9 месяцев назад
They should look at the white supremacists first not the weirdos
@corwinhyatt519
@corwinhyatt519 8 месяцев назад
Accused, berated, a friend's anxiety filled venting about their life situation that was overheard, taken wrong and triggered a raking by LEO's and the administrative staff... School had sucked for years before Columbine, it got worse after.
@jamesjames6792
@jamesjames6792 7 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠@@mayjailerxxthat don’t even make sense. There was no certain target of race. Nobody was spared. Had nothing to do with WhItE SuPrEmAsisT. The weirdos are ALWAYS the shooter
@O-pm8bb
@O-pm8bb 7 месяцев назад
As someone who always was a neurodivergent introverted kid, I got this type of shit a lot people accusing me of being "the next school shooter"
@ericisprobablyfullofshit7797
@ericisprobablyfullofshit7797 6 месяцев назад
It blows my mind that it's taken this long for me to get the facts. Thank you sincerely.
@QuentinKarentino
@QuentinKarentino 4 года назад
The irony of the religious hearing something, circulating it without question then doubling down when challenged without ever knowing the answer is hilarious.
@VSuarez2010
@VSuarez2010 4 года назад
That's exactly what they do every Sunday.
@wiskeeamazingdancer4964
@wiskeeamazingdancer4964 4 года назад
It is very much in line with their business idea.
@jackalope2302
@jackalope2302 4 года назад
They aren't used to thinking for themselves. But then again most modern humans don't
@QuentinKarentino
@QuentinKarentino 4 года назад
@J purple ramen someone tried that and got deplatformed, i think that was the main reason anyways haha
@rickc2102
@rickc2102 3 года назад
That's not even ironic. It's their playbook.
@joshta2038
@joshta2038 4 года назад
When you showed that old photo, of Sue Klebold and a younger version of Him, sitting at a kitchen table together looking completely normal, really punched me with a strange, powerful emotion. Just wow.
@lincolnduke
@lincolnduke 4 года назад
Here's a strange tangent to that. I assume you know of the James Bulger murder in the UK? A 2 year old who was tortured and murdered by two 10 year old boys. Watch the video of when the two ten year olds were transported to the court and see how people fought to get to the van to attack them, I always wondered what would happen if the doors were opened and the mob would be allowed in. Would they have torn the to ten year olds to peices? Even more weird, listen to the police interview of the murderers and hear the 10 year old answer the questions, that's a mind fuck.
@jenng9899
@jenng9899 3 года назад
KingLittle those two boys are older now, and have been released with different names, even though one of them has been charged with holding child porn 😬
@MaryJane-tp3qd
@MaryJane-tp3qd 3 года назад
@@jenng9899 the comment I was looking for 😳
@Jendromeda
@Jendromeda 3 года назад
@@lincolnduke that case--Bulger--is one of the most dispicable of all time. Thank you for mentioning this---it is EVIL and that is what took over the two 10-yr olds' minds. Horrible.
@Jendromeda
@Jendromeda 3 года назад
@@jenng9899 good grief....i hope he is charged and extensively prosecuted with a huge punishment. That is just awful....still an evil person, no doubt will always be. So sad.
@JasonVladimir
@JasonVladimir Год назад
Wow! You have shed some light on a piece of history I had been deceived on! Thank you!
@flipperjones509
@flipperjones509 Год назад
I know this is an old one, but you make the best content on RU-vid.
@sepporahk6102
@sepporahk6102 5 лет назад
I was a goth in middle school, and a member of an Anti-Bullying group named "Friends of Rachel" Founded by those who were "Honoring" one of the Columbine victims. That group did Absolutely nothing to help with bullying, and instead was very judgy about my personal style and interests. So I left.
@sepporahk6102
@sepporahk6102 5 лет назад
@VERY FAKE NEWS I don't think anybody was planning to.
@OrionOlamPiksie
@OrionOlamPiksie 5 лет назад
usually bullying, won't stop unless the reasons for bullying are taken care of. bullies are often very insecure, and those insecurities cause others to be insecure like they are.
@sepporahk6102
@sepporahk6102 5 лет назад
@@OrionOlamPiksie Yes, I figured that out later than I should've. But at the same time, when you still act that way to adulthood...there's something that needs to be done.
@jonstfrancis
@jonstfrancis 5 лет назад
It's like people that post anti-bullying memes or any 'let's do better' kinda post and yet you know what an asshole they are and that in reality they don't care... they just want to say something good. Why? To look good? To feel better?
@ingriddubbel8468
@ingriddubbel8468 5 лет назад
Sensible choice.
@katiekat2074
@katiekat2074 5 лет назад
It’s terrifying to know that so many school shootings took inspiration from columbine
@roelin360
@roelin360 4 года назад
@Christine Mills just because there were many before doesn't mean this information is wrong. These things aren't contradictory.
@aphyngodiva2551
@aphyngodiva2551 4 года назад
@Christine Mills Yes we still have shootings today as we did in the past, the difference is shooters of the past didn't have Columbine to inspire them and past shooters weren't glorified by the media. That's what KatieKat and this video is saying.
@tiffprendergast
@tiffprendergast 4 года назад
KatieKat yup
@mackaylacook148
@mackaylacook148 4 года назад
@Christine Mills how is the information that ever since the columbine shooting there have been shooters that took inspiration from it false?
@mackaylacook148
@mackaylacook148 4 года назад
@Christine Mills it still doesn't make sense to say they are wrong when they say that it's scary to think there have been and will be people that take inspiration from columbine, yes there was shooters before that but it doesn't make their point wrong
@vitoralbertocorreia
@vitoralbertocorreia Год назад
my wife and i are fascinated by your channel. we never comment cuz we watch'em on the tv.. I knew you through her, the best 8 years of my life :3 you do very important and honest job, on the sense of bringing important information of a "hidden" - but essential - subject to a broad audience. We also have some of your books, they are also great
@kelly3560
@kelly3560 7 месяцев назад
Thank you for covering this. My grandchildren are in kindergarten and first grade. They had their first shooter drill last week. I’m angry, frustrated and afraid for them… for all the children and people living in fear of the criminally insane.
@Coolhandkelpy
@Coolhandkelpy 5 лет назад
I'm so glad that someone with a platform is busting the myths aroung this horrific event. We can never fix a problem if we believe the wrong causes.
@lynncrosby9175
@lynncrosby9175 4 года назад
Excellent point! How can you possibly fix something if you don't even know what's broken?
@johnburt7935
@johnburt7935 3 года назад
@@lynncrosby9175 YES.
@disabilipeeps5141
@disabilipeeps5141 5 лет назад
Perpetuating myths about tragedy only creates more tragedy. Thank you for taking the time to set the record straight, Caitlin.
@nghtwtchmn129
@nghtwtchmn129 5 лет назад
Caitlin certainly did her homework.
@fruitygarlic3601
@fruitygarlic3601 5 лет назад
Unfortunately, one of the sources she cited was a book by Dave Cullen that did just that.
@ZeroOhNine
@ZeroOhNine 5 лет назад
Except she didn’t in some places.
@ontxtteredwxngs
@ontxtteredwxngs 5 лет назад
yikes. none of this was accurate...
@silverg2862
@silverg2862 3 года назад
Citing Dave Cullen isn't a good thing imo.
@Barzins1
@Barzins1 7 месяцев назад
I didn’t know any of this. Thanks for sharing.
@Rhylek
@Rhylek Год назад
i really appreciate how unbiased you are in this video. most people will try and take a stance that claims that guns commit these mass shootings but i like how you brought up about the original plan to use the bombs, along with the fact that the insane amounts of media attention makes people more likely to do something like this. very good video, you earned my sub.
@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968
Everyone remembers Columbine and no one remembers Bath, MI.
@mc4906
@mc4906 Год назад
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 probably because that was almost 100 years ago and nobody is alive today that would remember it.
@vanessa4587
@vanessa4587 5 лет назад
After Columbine happened the faculty at our school always gave the goth kids kind of a hard time. The fact that a friend of mine always wore a trenchcoat didn't help. They just presumed we were dangerous.
@notsafeformiranda4271
@notsafeformiranda4271 5 лет назад
My friend is punk and has schizophrenia, and despite sometimes being a bit sassy, is far from dangerous. The school is so bad to her- even during her lunch period people stop her in the halls and ask what class she's supposed to be in (all the teachers know because 1) they gossip and 2) it's a small school and 3) so they can "adapt" and "try to help" her). She used to cut class in middle school but even though we are now 12th graders and she hasn't done it in at least 4-5 years, she still has a bad reputation as the "scary schitzo" all because of that.
@sowelu66
@sowelu66 5 лет назад
@@notsafeformiranda4271 it must be hard for her to even be in school. It must be hard for you, too, having to stand there and watch all of this happen to your friend. I hope your friend is getting help with her schizophrenia. I had a friend who was diagnosed, but couldn't -not wouldn't, but couldn't- stay on the medications. Sadly, we lost him a little while ago.
@mrjames7251
@mrjames7251 5 лет назад
They got really strict with the dress code at my children's schools. They had to wear solid colors, shirts always tucked in, shirts/t-shirts could have no logo or déco (not even Scooby or Winnie the Poo) they had to buy clear backpacks, girls weren't allowed to carry purses larger than 6×6, & no envelopes allowed! If you wanted to send a note to a teacher or principal it had to be placed in a clear baggy. It didn't last long; the students rebelled.
@QueenBeeBeautyXO
@QueenBeeBeautyXO 5 лет назад
You can't blame people for having fear after this. I think it's a good idea to have students wear uniforms. That way kids don't have to compete against one another for status. Schools also have to be stronger against Bullies!
@cantrip7
@cantrip7 5 лет назад
@@QueenBeeBeautyXO Uniforms aren't great for low income families or people with alternative gender identity, turns out.
@grumpybadger9440
@grumpybadger9440 5 лет назад
You handle these topics with such grace and class. Thank you, Caitlin. Loves from Idaho!
@AyAyRon13
@AyAyRon13 5 лет назад
Juicedog Juice hello fellow Idahomie!
@emilylewis660
@emilylewis660 5 лет назад
@@AyAyRon13 Idahomie is such a good word!
@chancieallen9029
@chancieallen9029 5 лет назад
I came to give a virtual high five since I'm also from Idaho but I am leaving with the phrase "Idahomie" 🤣
@mackenzieonyx7586
@mackenzieonyx7586 5 лет назад
Couldn't have said it better myself, ty
@lynnharvard2927
@lynnharvard2927 5 лет назад
Hello potato brother
@ericolsen18
@ericolsen18 11 месяцев назад
I grew up in the 70s and 80s and we didn't have these shootings and guns were more available. what changed?
@0rangedrink
@0rangedrink Год назад
It's great to see someone bringing some nuance to this conversation.
@TheSqueeQueen
@TheSqueeQueen 2 года назад
I was a emo kid in the early 2000s. I and other goth kids had this unspoken responsibility to not be violent or as upstanding as possible because of how others saw us, using columbine as a speaking point. The admin used the shooters look as a excuse to "keep a close eye" on us. When my school foolishly played "pumped up kicks" at a dance, all us goth kids stood aside and refused to dance because we knew the meaning of the song. Ironically the "good" kids danced away .
@jesswinter
@jesswinter Год назад
I am so glad you wrote about this because I had no idea what those lyrics were. I thought it said “run faster than my brother” not “bullet.” Wow… never knew it was a protest song. Definitely not something to be danced too. Also, so sorry you were treated so horribly. It’s always the jocks that are the worst guys. Everyone should have realized this by now. I once overheard one of the most popular jocks calling another student a terror*st simply because she is a Muslim. Her best friend (white girl who was shy) tried to stick up for her friend and then the same guy and his friends made fun of her for defending a Muslim. She began to cry and I comforted her and wanted to go slap that guy so badly. Such a waste of space on this earth. He isn’t worth the oxygen he uses.
@liaml.e.5964
@liaml.e.5964 Год назад
Many goths, emos and other such outliers are far more morally sound and responsible that others around them. They have insight where others usually don't.
@grey6703
@grey6703 Год назад
yes! the scene is ALL about making sure everyone is safe and comfortable and welcome. people see goths and punks and metal heads as violent people, but mosh etiquette is better than any mainstream show ive attended. we go hard, but we protect just as hard
@TimberWulfIsHere
@TimberWulfIsHere Год назад
Emo kids wouldn't dance to that song anyway
@epickody3924
@epickody3924 Год назад
i was a visibly alt kid in high school. i was also insecure. i work dark and baggy clothes. i wasnt the only kid to do this, however i was very reserved due to me having very little socializing skills so i only spoke to my friend. my history class my junior year was spent being called "school shooter" by a a wannabe redneck and a girl who piqued her sophomore year. thankfully covid hit and stopped that. the portrayal of shooters has damaged the images of the people who are actually what the shooter is described as: a loner who wears dark and/or baggy clothes. thats not what shooters are. they may wear that sort of clothing, but they arent loners. they are bullies. they are entitled boys/men (as majority of shooters are men).
@ruthbaker5281
@ruthbaker5281 3 года назад
I heard a podcast recently about an autistic high school boy who was essentially run out of his school by administrators because he wore a dark duster style coat-not a trench coat at all. Someone told admin that the coat made them nervous. The coat was a gift from the boy's grandmother and had lots of pockets, which he liked as he carried his various supplies in it. He was essentially tagged as a potential school shooter based on essentially no evidence at all. I think the podcast was on "This American Life" or "Snap Judgement" but I don't recall off hand which. But it's really a sad story.
@ominouslightning
@ominouslightning Год назад
Damn. As an autistic man who loves filling his pockets to the brim with random things, this hurts honestly. That poor kid must have felt awful after going through that :(
@Arcana_Jester
@Arcana_Jester Год назад
I had the same thing happen. Also autistic. This paranoia hurt a lot of kids.
@wolfbones666
@wolfbones666 Год назад
And he had scissors in his pocket which were for his stage design class? Cause we may have heard the same damn story.
@cake_9510
@cake_9510 Год назад
​@@ominouslightningokay so that's just a thing autistic people do? I do it too.
@Arcana_Jester
@Arcana_Jester Год назад
@@cake_9510 Unsure if the comment you're answering got deleted or is just not showing up for me. Was wondering so I can also confirm or deny, lol.
@katiez688
@katiez688 7 месяцев назад
I was a senior in high school when Columbine happened. I remember the initial narrative that they had been bullied into carrying out mass murder. But I also remember people from the school quickly correcting that record publicly. However, the media seemed determined to keep pushing the bullying narrative.
@Dolphinboi
@Dolphinboi 5 месяцев назад
Do you think people that shoot up schools and that try to are bad people even if they were bullied? Most people who get bullied don’t shoot up schools.
@croissant4131
@croissant4131 Год назад
11:45 but Dylan is the first one who thought about a ma$$acre. It was at first his idea. Yes, harris was an overt psychopath while he wasn't, but this characterisation of him as simply depressive and sU!c!d@l, manipulated astray by harris into his crafty plan, is simply wrong. He was also violent, angry, he h0m!cid@l for years, and, he was also seemingly rather paranoid, convinced that everyone was conspiring against him
@Amandcr
@Amandcr 5 лет назад
I was a sophomore that year but I remember our school implemented IDs you had to wear around your neck with your parents name and phone number on back, so they could call them if you were shot. We also had lockdown procedures about a year after and if you were between classes during one you had to go to your next class (even if it was across campus), the teachers at your last class were not supposed to let you in even if it was closer. They banned trench coats and friends who could be considered goth were picked on even more. It had a big impact on my life. I remember even planning what I would do in a shooting, how to get out or hide.
@QueenBeeBeautyXO
@QueenBeeBeautyXO 5 лет назад
A school shouldn't have those requirements, but in today's world, they must sadly 😕
@SitatheNightGoddess
@SitatheNightGoddess 5 лет назад
QueenBee Bargains not the “world”. I live in Canada and have never had to worry about this.
@evercuriousmichelle
@evercuriousmichelle 5 лет назад
Unfortunately we still plan what we would do in a shooting.
@Amandcr
@Amandcr 5 лет назад
@Sdrrshock I wouldn't say all of us think the world is American that's a generalization. It's like saying everyone in the UK has bad teeth, I know it's not true, just a stereotype. I would say that everyone wants the best for their children and wants them protected from harm that is universal. It's just sad that with so many mass shootings in the US, we have to be afraid, never knowing if it could be you or your child. I believe something needs to change but I'm no expert in how to fix such a complicated situation. All I can do is vote and hope things can get better.
@maryannhope8276
@maryannhope8276 5 лет назад
@Sdrrshock So true. I am an American & it's delusional. So thankful you dont have to put up with this BS!! Blessings & 💖 from (THE DIVIDED STATES OF AMERICA)....PATHETIC GODS SPEED
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