ICONIC CORPSE- Saartjie "Sarah" Baartman 

@Gathka Master so, you're saying it was okay for her to be seen as no more than a slave, an object for people's entertainment? you're sick.

Gathka Master How stupid are you?

Chanandler Bong exactly

@Gathka Master lol

We are a very cruel species. How humiliating for that poor young woman. "Freak" shows or side shows prevailed for a very long time in Western culture. I remember encountering them on my first trip to the circus as a child. I recollect making one fellow warmly smile. I walked right up to the edge of his stage, and asked him if he was okay, and if anything hurt. I regarded him as a person and not a specimen. Always felt that the real freaks were the curiosity seekers and not the folks on display. Yes, we are a very cruel species.

I agree! Thanks for respecting our language as well as the legacy of Saartjie

Thank you!!!

Well done😁I was kinda surprised when you did pronounce it right but I'm proud👏👏

agreed

I know, I was so impressed with her pronunciation!

thegriffin88 this honestly makes a lot of sense. Maybe there was a contract, but she was lied to about the content? Like, everything that‘d happen to her was written out, but they told her she‘d be okay.

Actually that was something that white people did to locals all the time

The main problem is that these white supremacists are Devils

I wouldn't be surprised white men of that era had a horrible habit of signing 'contracts' with loyal and kind hearted people who believed based off of their word as to what they were signing. It has happened alot from Natives/Indigenous people, slaves, and even most likely non European Dynasty's such as Dynasty's in Asia and Middle East. The most disturbing aspect is there are still quite a few contracts that are still in affect till this day that benefit the " white man".

@@patriciam5563 that's what I was thinking about the translator too. Being that one was needed, they had the only real say of what she said and could have been in someone's pocket and made it appear favorable to them.

About the same that you folks making the black folks carry passports in their own country and took their farmland but yeah blame the white men in Europe. White women in SA had a hand in what happened as well.

Tiff'sTravels2012 That’s actually racism you are doing right there. You are suggesting that all white South-Africans are the same.

@C Ky she hit a nerve you snowflake. All in SA willing to die just to hijack identities. Foh cave dwelling colonist

Caesar was a black man.

@@dianetodd No he was not, even his statues look like a Caucasian man. Quit trying to steal history and claim it for yourselves, This makes you no better than the colonizers you love to hate.

It just sucks that this kind of sensitivity and empathy still even needs to be congratulated because kindness should be standard. But I agree, Caitlyn was more than just sensitive, she covered an awful part of history with sensitivity and understanding. I wish everyone was respectful of culture and the human beings in it. Much love to you hon. I'm just ranting because I have seen some bullshit racism on multiple occasions the past few days and wish It wasn't a reality.

i am dutch and i really hate what happened in the past and all the stuff about slavery, i wanna apologize for everything they made them/your ancestors (idk if that’s written well) go trough

rainbow_ _muffincakes91 , Does it bother you the way her story is told is to entertain you?

Tom Servo I don't think entertain is really the right word, educate would probably be more fitting.

woman*

Agreed. Also agree that we need to learn about it. We can't move forward as a society if we hide from the past.

True, but in my prudish, body-shamed heart, I wish we could cover all of the existing images of her naked body with little virtual bathrobes! She probably felt deep shame about being exhibited naked in front of crowds of fully-clothed-from-neck-to-toes white women, especially as she certainly knew that many of the bodies under those tight-laced clothes more or less closely resembled hers, and the clothes themselves were really the only difference between her and the crowds staring at her. (Well-fed white ladies with pear-shaped weight distribution and a slight case of swayback could very well swap size 18W Lee Comfort Fit jeans with her.) It just makes my heart ache for the injustice that she had to live under, being viewed as less than human, day in, day out, for so many years. I wish I could travel back in time and stand up beside her and drop trou and let the world judge whether my big white full moon was more "human" than hers! (Disclaimer: I'm not actually 18W, but I am sway-backed and would be shaped exactly like her if I put on a few pounds for the trip.) Thinking about it actually makes me madder, because I'm sure there were plus-size ladies in those crowds who *knew* she was exactly like them and chose to stay silent about it out of the same aforementioned prudery and body shame that has been programmed in me 200 years later!

froggy doodle eh, no. fat white women aren’t more-or-less shaped that way, at all. she most likely had steatopygia, which is near exclusively found in sub-saharan african peoples. it has nothing to do with “sway back.”

@@ala4935, thanks for that info; I was unaware of that condition. In my case, it's a combination of "sway-back" (there's a scientific term for that) and a forward-tilted pelvis. But, yes, it can look very similar.

“Steatopygia” is not a medical condition. It is a product of pseudoscience and medical racism. It directly relates to the othering and maltreatment of black peoples and black bodies in the Western world.

Obviously your mother is in a different time period..

Pic or it didn't happen

it was just a huge badonkadonk. ffs, white women have huge fucking asses. like, gargantuan - they just need to stuff their faces.

Given how sexually repressed people were, using women like Saartjie as an outlet was a disgusting pasttime.

@@janchristianwismarsaragih902 lol

Yes, please do a video on Emmett Till.

BUMP! Please!

Yess I agree

Yes, this is a great idea and such a sad story made me cry to see him and his mother. She was a brave woman for display his body

The Emmett Till murder was extremely horrific. He was just a boy. I cannot imagine the pain that his mother felt. I felt pain and severe heartbreak whilst reading about Emmett and what was done to him by the white supremacist monsters. It still makes my blood boil.

Agreed!

Wasnt there a movie about her story?

Charity Thomas Oh hell no, I can't handle that.

Mistica Davis yess this

Yes! We need this!

@ThatOneAsianBroChick i'm guessing his "iconic" status is because despite the brutal nature of his death and how battered his body was, his coffin was kept open and photographed at the request of his family to raise awareness about how savage the lynching was.

@@AngelLustZombie I didn't hear he was lynched. Being savagely beaten to a pulp and strangled with barbed wire wasn't enough? That poor little boy.

@@nancymontgomery8897 "lynched" is the term for basically ganging up on a black person and committing a hate crime so yeah

Yes, and a child created by Jesus Christ just like us... those barbarians will get their karma in their judgment one day...Shame so much humiliation and pain

It would be cool if every stolen artifact was owned by their home country and museums swap exhibits for money or a certain time frame. Would be fair to say artifacts must be returned to their country of origin for at least 50% of the year to start the reunification of artifacts process so cities can accordingly adjust to the new swap routine. Just a thought

@@h.r.9563 I don't know if we'll ever see that in our lifetime, if ever. Racism is so intertwined with the past, it's almost impossible to separate the two. We can petition these museums and universities to return artifacts they display in their halls to their rightful homelands, but we'll have ten times that many people losing their damn minds about how white people have a right to those stolen artifacts, and shitting themselves over how it's "taking away/erasing white culture", without even a hint of irony over the fact that white culture is steeped in colonization and taking what doesn't belong to them.

@@h.r.9563 This is a really great idea.

I agree…just watched a video on the Benin bronzes, which were looted by the British. One is being repatriated…a beautiful rooster…by a museum in the US.

@@sharonkaczorowski8690 Yeah the Benin bronces are such an example. Beautiful artwork, admired by many but not in the hands of the people who created it. I work in a museum of medical history in Germany, and a few years back our adjoining hospital discovered a collection of sculls from Africa, that where collected for research during colonial times. So we are in the process of giving back those remains l, so they can be buried in their homeland. Some have already been buried, some are still here. But it's a first step.

No imagine how many men were explored and disrespected, violated and dehumanized. But who cares, right?

@@speedingatheist *sigh* There's always that 'but what about men comment', even if the related video in question is about a WOMAN. Without fail.

@@nomi_M Yeah, what an amazing concept to remember how BOTH genders were treated badly in the past. I'm a humanist, you're a regressive feminist.

@@speedingatheist Not including men in every.single.topic regarding female oppression in history is not "regressive feminism". Do you ever go out of your way to speak up about male oppression? Or only when you see women speak up about theirs.

Speeding Atheist I understand what you mean. (Apologies, if not!) Society should have conversations about fair treatment of both sexes. I think we tend to hear more about mistreatment of women because, throughout history, women have had fewer rights and have been objectified more. Assuming Caitlin and team would agree that... there are just more stories to tell about women. I want to emphasize, however, that many men (especially men of color) also experienced hardships throughout history. Their lives are equally important and I would love to also hear their stories. On a side note: if you are a man who stands up for equal rights of all people, you likely don’t receive as much acknowledgement as you should right now. Thank you. 😊

No one should be treated like that.

And in life his hunger could never be stopped. Oh it's often thought he ate a baby.

Oh yes!! Hyperphagia, such an interesting topic!

Totally agree!!!

Sam O’Nella did a segment on him and now I need Caitlin to do the same.

@@curiositygarden Haha I wanna marry Sam O'Nella and have his stick figured wavy haired babies 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Thank you for coming!!

Yes, such a normal, awesome person!

I’m so jealous!!! 😅

I saw Caitlin at the beginning of her book tour for "From Here to Eternity" in Hollywood last year. There were so many fans packed in the bookstore and with my arthritis, I wasn't able to actually speak to her face to face but she did take my question from the audience. She is such a warm person and so knowledgeable.

Yes, Caitlyn it was great to have you in SLC!! Come back again :)

Thye are real people they most certainly are not "now things to laugh/gawk/make fun of" why would you even think that?!

LockTest I think it’s a typo, it’s meant to say Not

THIS!

Most cultures are as respectful of the dead as if they were alive. It's an American this to kick a corpse if u find it in an alley. I'm Jewish, so we always had a very respectful death... But I learned how Muslims do, and then I just kept reading about diff cultures. Caitlins new book is literally amazing. All these death rituals in one book

@@JEMHull-gf9el people are like that though.. especially younger people (teenages/young adults for example). If a homeless person/ terrorist dies.... educated adults can be disrespectful too. As a culture, America sucks when it comes to death

To tie it into modern controversies and ethics, this is why the Kim Kardashian photoshoot with the champagne glass was such an issue for some. On one hand, yes, she absolutely has agency over her own body, but the art direction (& commercial consumption of those images) tie back into the kind of exploitation women like Saartije endured...

It's an important episode because Saartjie is still providing you with entertainment just like she did with her live audience. I'm not saying her story shouldn't be told. I'm saying it shouldn't be told in an entertaining way, it's exploiting her again. It makes the vlogger Saartjie's virtual handler. It's not ethical. I'm dumbfounded that no one mentions that in the comments.

shelby schulze I agree,and history rarely is fun.

Ann extended thank you to your family

Yes, and when searching for Caitlin videos I find sprinkled in among them very purient, disgusting vids

Yes, that's her.

Cool! Yes! Definitely a good one!

I second this!!

Yes yes yes!!!

*cough *cough,be specific...which humans?

@Ujuani Abelsen Lack of respect for the remains. She was a person - and did not wish to be made into a specimen. Even today when we use corpses for body farms and Body Worlds, and donate to science those are all done with remains of people Who Consented to this. Basically it boils down to "picture your grandmother's body - now imagine your grandmother's body behind glass for people to gawk at cause she looked weird." If you wouldn't want someone to do it to grandma (without her consent) - don't do it to someone else.

HPPAV2003 you’re not hurting anyone.

Rosie B Probably the civil rights act in America triggered some reflection in people

Uhm. Many corpses were displayed for being unusual back then? Of course humans suck, including you for your childish outlook. The world isn't sun shine and rainbows. What happened to her was absolutely horrible and I'm glad she was laid to rest. But worse things have happened and for this to be the thing that makes you tick you have a lot more things to experience

Sorry, could you explain what you mean by: "Depending on if you're coloured or black sometimes it may be pronounced...". Is it tribe specific, or?

@@Girl95szia You can explain it as differences in dialect or pronunciation. A native Afrikaans speaker would pronounce it like Caitlyn does. A different Afrikaans dialect will pronounce it with the "chee" at the end. A person who is not first language Afrikaans could pronounce it in many ways. Welcome to the beautiful diversity of South Africa!

@Dash93 Why do you blacks hate us Coloureds so much? Is it because we have Khoikhoi and San dna and your dna comes from west Africa? Stop being jealous it makes you nasty..

@@LB_die_Kaapie i think im missing the difference between black and "colored." do you mean brown? (non-black) poc?

@@LB_die_Kaapie also i mean no disrespect im just curious

Truly sad story and unfortunately, his grave has been found vandalized more than once.

Tasha Ms SweetTea S. That’s crazy the governor has a connection.

DL1982 Peters hey you should really consider going public with this kind of information. Contact the press or something. I know that it won’t really help the reopened case at all, but people who say those kinds of things should at least be publicly called out and held accountable. It sounds to me like this family has gotten away with far too much for far too long.

I just watched video on him it's a very sad story his poor mother she was brave for making it public

...and why is it you're divulging all this on a yt comment section instead of going public with this shit and ensuring he's dragged through the dirt for the rest of his life?

I don’t think they even understood the concept of empathy back then.

merdab8 thank you!!! That was basically the summary of my parents. Both Salvadorans! If it weren’t for them I wouldn’t be here.

A Sojourner stfu. You sound racist.

I think back in those days they considered black African’s to be of very low intelligence. They basically compared them to animals! Very sad. That’s just my thoughts, I’m by no means an expert...

Unfortunately, even for those granted asylum, that doesn't mean that violence against women will magically disappear--women in the U.S. are still raped, murdered, beaten, and forced into prostitution. And as always, the poor and those without support systems (such as immigrants) are disproportionally affected. Likewise, those fleeing violence in general should be warned that it happens here too. I mean, really, the only weekends you _don't_ expect double-digit murders in Chicago, are the ones where we just had a blizzard and nobody can get out to do a drive-by. And a lot of good it'd do to flee one slum only to end up in a different one here, or one gang, only to get the attention of our local 'clubs'. Just because something is statistically less likely doesn't mean it isn't still statistically significant. *sighs*

It was far worse than this according to some reports. I hope she is at peace now

I feel you. Fkn awful

I think you said it well!

thank you🙏

God is dead

Sounds like that black mirror episode might've been inspired by that story. :o

Wasn't there a film about him recently? Sadly i missed it in the cinemas :/

Gotta look him up thanks

Goorbatschov I didn’t know about this! I wonder if my Viennese friend does. I will ask her.

I'm gonna read about this now. Thanks for the info. (My family is Viennese but idk anything about their history. This will probably spark my interest in learning tho)

Humans suck at times.

@ptonpc Sadly Yes.

@The Mad Lolita Chances are high she doesn't. The majority of the people have forgotten about it sadly and I too only know about it because I'm a historian.

I have a paper on her and the controversies surrounding her genetic information and medical consent.

@Al X. Andra considering how ill her family was. Have the people closest to her even been helped by her body?

Yessssss. Her body is everywhere.

Considering how many of Caitlin's fans want to be stuffed, this is a video she should do

You belief in the tooth fairy too?

She wasn’t real, just wanted to let you know ... 9 months later... lol ...Have a great day

OMG thank you for recognizing that it hasn’t stopped. I swear some people think this has ended.

Oh absolutely!

I think it's going to far... The result sure was humilating women by sexual assult but I don't think it was planned. No one sat there and thought: "What can we do to dehumanise them more?". It was already in their head that they aren't people so they felt free to do whatever they liked. Not to mention that women in general weren't considered human at that time... :/

@@SwayTree did you actually read the essay? It's available through JSTOR . I strongly recommend reading it before trying to assert how the author attributes agency, intention and responsibility to individual actors

Oh gosh I can't wait to read this, it sounds really really good. Thanks for posting about it!

Spoiler alert: we still suffer from this 🙃

@Sway Tree haven't read the essay OP recomended but... rape is a weapon that has been used against women forever. Men know this. Don't ever think it's not deliberate. @Olive Seraphim I'm on my way to read it.

I just wanted to say I have truly become an avid fan of your youtube videos. In 1989 I wanted to become a funeral director, but as a Hispanic catholic female in el paso, my grandmother and mother thought I had something wrong with me and I needed to change my "life goals" . I also was "goth" before we labeled it that name, so of course I was going to to "hell" and needed to devote more time to my novenas.... I laugh at that so much now. I have a different way of caring for people, I work in oncology. I still believe all people need tenderness and care in their last days and well into their transition to death. I honor my dead, including my mother and grandmother who are now deceased. I believe in celebrating their lives and memories. My husband (a non hispanic) had to be trained that is was not morbid and that the grand collection of beautiful sparkly sugar skulls is to show the beauty of death and the lives of those that lived. I will be looking for your podcasts, you would definitely have been someone who I can see being friends. Thank you for opening the general public to the education of funerary science.

Coopsickle to some people? More like to millions and millions of enslaved Africans all over the world & still to this day

@@SSRIs You're right.

...turned into shoes?! I must know more about this now.

WHAT??

Omg that's terrifying

They're contagious lol

You self flagellation is ever so noble and progressive! More!

@@conveyor2 Did they hurt your fee fees?

I mean, this kind of behavior isn't restricted to any one culture. All of humanity has the same horrible capabilities, and all cultures and civilizations have their own histories.

Some of the oldest civilizations in the world are Asian and they are not guilt free. AT ALL. When will the hating end?

@@domoisawsome123 way to post a demeaning comment dude.

That was her real name.

Melandri Van Der Wal 2:08

Her name was Sara. She was just given the name Saartjie by the Dutch that colonized our country. So we do know here real name.

Her*

@@melandrivanderwal8918 saarjte is the dutch version of sara. her real name is something in her native language.

That was my thought, she was the most widely known, but hardly the only.

Yes yes yes please! I had no idea about it and I am a huge fan of his music. I need to educate myself

Parker Williams 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

That's a big one to unravel

I agree but that one needs to be delicately handled. I’m sure Caitlyn would do a great time but that’s also a bit fresh in history’s memories.

I agree, but I think it's a murder/corpse that not a ton of people know/remember.

Agreed

That always cracks me up!

I think she's already done Bentham

Wooshhh

Hey fellow South African😂✌

Yeah, I’m impressed with her pronunciation as well! People often struggle with the rrrrrr in our words! Hi from Port Elizabeth!👋🏻

@@indylwth2327 I'm from Johannesburg ✌

I'm from pietermaritzburg 🍾 yay SA

Julia Hodgskin - Also from Pietermaritzburg!

I could swear she already covered this story. Even if it is a repeat, it is worth being repeated.

meg arbo seriously. I was searching all over for it because I KNOW I saw one about this.

There's a picture in the British national gallery that makes me distinctly uncomfortable seeing it. As the title of the subject matter of this particular picture explains, It depicts a white man raping a black woman, while his friends look on. As a woman it turned my stomach, and as a person of colour, it mortally offended me. It really spoiled my day when, on heading for the exit, I was catcalled by a male who happened to be white. I gave him both barrels, upon which he not only asked if I was gay but said he thought all women like being "complimented!" I refuse to set foot in the room until they remove that hateful picture.

They don’t like to get to deep into it don’t want to hurt anyone’s wittle feelings

@@woomeebly do you remember the name of it? i tried to see if it was still there but I couldn't find anything what the fuck makes someone want to hang something like that up?? that's not art jesus christ

They do but in no greater detail.

Seriously? Wow, what a piece of shit.

because money

Because evil is evil. Doesn't matter the skin color.

Misogyny probably played a role too

Rachel Ulbrich many black people owned black slaves so he probubly didnt give much thought i mean it respectfully but he honestly probubly didnt think of her as human he probubly sepreated himself from her