Why Does Games Workshop Get Sooo Much HATE.. 

I feel the issue with the "modern corporation" in general is that they're not content with some of the money, or even most of the money. They have to have ALL of the money. This leads them to making decisions that are not in the customer's best interest, or even in the companies best interest in the long term. They're focused on short term gains and infinite growth, which is impossible. Eventually it will backfire on them and there will be layoffs and closures. It's inevitable. We can care all we want about employees and small businesses, but the corporations don't have to, so they don't. That's not just GW, that's the "modern corporation". It's not sustainable long term and eventually there will be problems, and it's not the heads of the company that will face the fallout, it's all the little guys and their families that will.

One thing the newer players don't understand is just how much the mindset and focus changed over time, exacerbating GW's worse tendencies and also them feeding into the bad habits of the playerbase. For example, no longer rewarding miniature customization because they don't want people kitbashing using pieces from other kits, or worse (in their eyes), other companies. All the hobbying side of kitbashing models, of having options in the rules that are not reflected in the model which would mean GW sell MORE models doesn't happen and has massive repercussions in how the rules are written and how the game is played. The apex of the problems this create can be in see in the repeated datasheet somehow being bloated and yet lacking options. Like how there's over a dozen Lieutenants, but somehow no Bike or Gravis one. And then they keep squatting options because they don't want people making their own models in spite of how people would gladly buy those models and bitz to kitbash their own. Except now there is no point, becase the rules don't allow it AND they focus exclusively on the competitive side. Back in the old days, you had generic hero statblocks+wargear options. Now look at what happen when every option is hyper specific to a single role/loadout: you get the Stormcast bloat and having their range nuked and cut down in half. And that's just one pedantic example yet it is one I have trouble explaining to people newer to the games because they don't know any better.

I think you need to step back and say "has been GW been good for the hobby?" And when you ask that question it needs to be what is most important - Not for GW, not for share holders, not for distributors and store owners (sorry) but for the consumer - the people who actually make up "the hobby". Personally I think it's a mixed bag, and sorry again - but I feel like the market structure itself does too much of the dictating about what a consumer receives, and mostly what the consumer wants falls on deaf ears because of the lack of competition. When the Windows OS dominated 95% of the computer market in the late 90s early 2000s, it was bad for progress and choice. Idealistically, I would love to see gamers gravitate more towards local gaming clubs and away from stores (read: sorry) so they can decouple themselves from the idea that a gaming space and the product buying place is synonymous. This would allow hobbyist to choose what games they play (supported or not) rather than falling into the buy/dump/buy cycle of GW that *most* stores need in order to stay afloat. It would also lead to less hobby stress and pressure on the consumer, less FOMO, and a healthier and more diverse hobby in general. So in general, I think the hate comes from the lack of alternatives, not necessarily what they did/didn't do. It's because there is the "wargaming hobby" and the "GW hobby".

Well there are many things starting with models , rules, cards being needed to play , but GW making it impossible to buy them in your city or country. Store owners seem to HATE how GW makes them order stuff and what they have to order to get the stuff people want. There is imbalanced rules, long time waiting for an update just to get your codex 6 months till edition end and GW resets all books. Some people just hate , because that is how they are. Me personaly l was mostly immune to hate, lack of updates, too fast updates . It didn't matter as l was building my army, slow (later found out this to be a HUGE error on my part) , not following any "you have to buy X number of large dragon kits or you won't be able to play" etc. By the end of 2023 after 3 years of collecting l bought my last few models (2 boxes of dracolithes and Astreia). GW announced a new edition. I was hyped , because maybe there will be some new cool units or heroes for my dudes....and GW put close too 100% in legends. My around 2500pts of 3 years of saving up and painting (l don't like painting) thrown out of the window, because in my country legends=no one will play against you. I get phasing out old out of production models. But my dudes weren't even a decade old . And 3+of those years l was building an army. So what am l suppose to do now , rebuy an army over anither 3+ years , so GW can remove them too. And that is assuming l find an army with sacrosanct esstetics. Marines crusaders are the closest , but l don't like how w40k is , especialy with its tournament focus and pick up games being the same as event games.

I think a lot of hate comes their way on pricing based on the value, or really lack thereof, for non-miniatures. Things like primers, brushes, generic bases, basing materials, etc. Personally speaking, I don't think it's a big deal for a seasoned person to buy or not buy GW branded poducts. But items like hobby knives are a very clear A to B comparison and there aren't a lot of convincing arguments to justify the price difference (beyond GW profit maximization)

It’s not a mystery , for every good they do they do two bad. Price costs are insane , then they legends your stuff away , then they move to season passes just to play, then they make playing warhammer feel like a job and not a fun game. All of these things make them not a great company from the consumer point of view. They have good traits , most of the background is great , customer service is great and most people I’ve dealt with on the ground floor have been great. The models are good but I actually like the older ones they did more at this point. I also made some great friends doing warhammer. Long story short , they aren’t a very customer friendly company in many ways. Sure they do what’s good for them but from the other side it doesn’t feel great. Which leads to wasted time , and that leads to rage. So much time and money end up invested in this for if it sucks it really hurts the player.

Gonna guess the constant price increases on cheap plastic that doesn't correlate to shipping/exchange rates around the world while charging for outdated rules in a codex that's essentially a coffee table book is the issue...

When I complain about GW, it really comes down to basically liking the product and wanting the company to “do better” ( whatever that means). What’s bugged me recently? #1: Short runs of Kill Team box sets. Which boils down to loving the product and not being able to get it. #2: Constant stock-outs in general. Which again boils down to wanting the product and not being able to get it. #3: Just awful balance issues, particularly with 40k 10th and a few Kill Teams.

Because there's no shortage of things to hate about Games Workshop: *Their miniatures are overpriced. *Their rules are designed to make you buy shit and not to balance the game. *They go after their fans and other companies for copyright infringement while blatantly ripping off Elric like all the time. *Warhammer novels are mass produced, low quality, and clog up the shelves of any bookstore that stocks them. *In RU-vid comments sections or other online forums, warhammer fans seem to never cease talking about warhammer, even when it isn't particularly relevant.

You’re always going to have balance issues in any asymmetric game. While nobody liked the power creep of 9th, I feel like 10th has been a lot better from a balance perspective. My toys can do things on the board even if they’re not “the best”. I don’t love the prices, but I acknowledge that’s just the state of life. I don’t love every piece of the game, but it’s a pretty fun game all things being equal. And the models, which is where I spend most of my time anyway, are exceptional. I guess my main complaint about GW is their rules delivery system and how I cannot examine what another army can do without piracy or spending $60 on something I won’t collect

I just wish they weren't the 500 lb gorilla in the room. Yes, other games exist, but I can't walk into a random store and get a pick-up game for anything besides GW. *Maybe* MCP, but then I'd have to give money to AMG which isn't gonna happen. There's so many faster, smaller, cheaper experiences out there, but GW suck up all the oxygen.

I'm accepting of the GW prices being what they were, but the codex model needs to go away, especially with their move toward more regular rules balancing. Just let me pay a nominal subscription fee for all rules already, so that i can buy more minis.

From a British perspective, I’m happy to pay a premium for high quality models designed and manufactured here. The recent price hike is hard to justify, but I will just continue to purchase models that grab my attention and are within my budget.

Squatting people's collections that they spent time painting and collecting is 1. 2 the continuous price increasing so for example the same land raider kit that's available now was £25 when that came out, now it's £60 ish. 3. Terrible rules writing makes your favourite faction so bad you can't even get a half decent game

GW has admitted in memos to their board of directors that they are a luxury good that seeks to be as expensive as the market will bear to maximize profits. GW has moved on from being a bunch of lads in the 80s making a game for their enjoyment. It's a corporation that seeks to make profit. That is the basis for the "hate" and why many established gamers are shifting to other systems made by people fuelled by passion not just profit. Relicblade, Gaslands, Deth Wizards, Weasel Tech, Rangers of Shadow Deep, so many choices with so much creativity.

Personally, I feel they come across as anti-player.

Hmm. Prices, GW shops everywhere at one point killed off the independents. Clinging to D6s, like its still the 80s. New edition means everything you have bought is obsolete. Decades between some model line refreshes. Lack of playtesting and balancing in the rules. Have an army of X. Then said army is declared invalid for tournament play. Due to a rules change, or other arbitrary changes from GW. An obscure change in White Dwarf being a classic for the last one. New edition, yet some books are not released until a few months before the next edition drops. WYSIWG. Having to chop up a painted mini just to change a weapon that, suddenly you cant use. I bailed on GW after 3rd came out. I had been there since Rogue Trader.

From an Aussie who has been playing since Rogue Trader you make some great points. People get invested in their preferred sporting team and it's a passion for them, they get upset if their team doesn't seem to be going in the way they hoped, mention that the wargame your are passionate about seems to be going in the wrong direction, and you get hit with "it's just a kids game, why are you so invested". GW has Schrodinger's release schedule, it's at both times too excessive with releases, and never seems to release what you want. HH players asking for basic troop options like bolt pistols and chain swords for assault troops get instead an expensive knight as an example. The removal of older kits due to range bloat is fine, but GW created the bloat themselves. Some kits get removed and then returned on a FOMO basis, as an example the Imperial Bastion was $50aud, it was discontinued and then shortly after put in a made to order window for $120aud, they didn't made a new mould, they didn't print any custom boxes, they just pulled the old mould of the shelf. I have mentioned to friends and GW store staff that GW should do a "made to order" section on the webstore that has 6 month plus leadups, imagine if you could save up and purchase older kits knowing they won't be starting manufacturing for months in advance, but you have months to put your orders in, as an example the Steel Legion made to order window was about 10 days last time, if you had months you could purchase a few kits a month and get an army delivered, instead of the current FOMO "you better have cash on hand for this right now", In the current system I would hate to be a Lord of the Rings player hoping a model you need is in the next made to order window, and that you will have the funds on hand if it does. Australian pricing has always been excessively high, and the constant price increases don't help. The pricing might have flown under the radar back in the day, but as a public traded company it means we the consumers get to see the profits they are making, a price increase followed by a record profit report just annoys people, if it was followed by "we just made around the same as last year" I don't think there would be as much grumbling. As for the lore changes the only backlash I heard locally was surrounding the way they did it, someone saying "oh the changed the lore" should not be met with "it was always like that, and you a bigot and tourist for not knowing, and now you are blocked for commenting". As a Space Wolves player I look at every Monday preview hoping not to see any news of a release for the SW's, I like the aesthetic of the older armour designs, a scale increase would be great, but given the direction GW is pushing Space Marine armies in 40K I know any update will just be in the unappealing MK10 armour design. Every week of no news is another week a can put my hobby dollars towards the models I like.

I feel like every hobby has this kind of thing. Every hobby group I have been part of not just miniature related has had lots of negativity towards something.

I love GW minis. I don't find them over priced, If you shop around you can get GW minis for close the same price as equivalently sized whizkids minis. Unlike the majority of mini designers GW designs their minis to be painted and played with. However I am getting very irritated with their focus on 'balance' and 'meta'. GW should be focusing on making 40k more of wargame, less of a 'competitive' board game, it's turning into what is basically dice olympics. Give us fog of war, simultaneous actions etc. Let Underworlds be the competitive board game. Or GW could start making Warhammer themed chess sets and push that for competitive play.

I just can't stand the imperium, and that's the only thing the setting seems to be about since... 4th, 5th edition? I'll probably never really come back because I'm sure at this point that will never change

simple answer, they deserve it, between the price rises and lies like the Austrailia price hike it leaves a sour taste in peoples mouths, 10th edition will not need codexes and the rules will be free, produces codexes at a premium price, immediately invalidates them and locks the rules behind a paid app, brings out new armies and units but deliberately under produces causing massive FOMO, removes whole armies for no reason, locks out other units in games for no reason, horrible at balancing their own game systems, too many rules changes for some rule sets while others desperately needs work (HH and Legions for example) There are many more reasons why they get hate but the primary one is passion, people love the setting and universes and with that comes people being invested emotionally so when the company mishandles it so badly it causes a backlash.

I think its funny that many of the complains (excluding the price) could be fixed, or at least wouldnt be that big of an issue if people would have an more casual approach to the hobby.

I think the thing I miss the most about old workshop was how they used to keep an inventory of paints to teach with in the stores. I used to think that until I traveled and wandered into workshops in other cities and countries. When I realized there was a choice made with the workshop near me to kill that. I hold the local workshop to me, the store not the employees is one of their worst stores they have. They shifted locations in the mall they're in to a smaller location with terrible lighting and they carry maybe 30% of what workshop offers in products.

In 25 years of doing this hobby, nothing has changed much. It's always too expensive, the rules are never balanced, and you always spend more time painting and just talking about it then actually playing the game. Hahahahaha. The hate is always the same. My favorite is "GW did a thing and now my hobby is ruined"

Can only speak for myself. But their awful rules, their super obvious power creep, silly designs and pricing.

My biggest criticism for GW is that the game is just not fun for me and I think could be done so much better. I wish 3rd party rules, like OPR, was the standard way to play. Hoping someday it will be. Oh and also I can't bring my army, Drukhari, to tournaments because the company doesn't make or sell models like Grotesques, Court of the Archon, Beastmaster, ect. anymore. It is way to difficult and expensive to not 3D print, especially with Drukhari.

Some things have gotten worse over the years, but others have gotten better. Do people really still want to be pinning loosely-sculpted metal models or finecast? GW presently makes the best "mass-market" minis on the planet. Yeah, maybe some studios will put out better stuff in lower runs, but no one's putting out the quality GW does at the quantity it does. Easy to compete in one category, but no one ever has ever pushed both factors simultaneously as much as they have. The rest about the money, the rules, the balance, whatever: the world's always changing, and it's easier than ever now to voice those complaints online. GW's story since its "comeback" in the last 10 years or so is best summarized with: "To whom much is given, much is expected."

its because they constantly raise prices often, and rip armies apart, and then rip the soul out of those armies, water them down and handicap them trying to get people not to play them.

I think we all know it’s because they have still not released the Dwarfs for Old world

I mean, if you don’t like a thing, the only way to vote is with spending power. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter. I like GW. Fine company, good products most of the time. Some bad ones. Similar to most other model companies in that aspect.

GW gets so much hate for many reasons : - People are passionnate about their products / games, and passion can easily move you from love to hate while still being here. - Political reasons amongst the miniature wargame community : anticapitalist, anti-system or "anti-woke". People target GW to advance their own agenda. - Promoting your favorite "rival" game system (fans of Privateer Press, Mantic Games and Para Bellum do love to do that) - Drama farming / click baiting videos : a lot of youtube channels are built on hating GW so that they can attract the people wanting to hate on them. The biggest the target, the biggest the public. - All the reasons mentionned in this video ^^

Gw is great but it helps that my community is awesome. It’s a social game and the scene can make or break a game I think.

For your comment on it's way more structured now, yes and no. I watched a video from one of the original game designers from like 1st-4rth edition. Funny story, my friends group was playing second edition 40k and when third came out, they claimed "they just want you to buy more models." Fast forward to the video from the game designer, paraphrasing: 2nd edition was a skirmish game, and the marketing team wanted this to change for third edition so armies would be bigger. I would conclude that the sales/marketing team has always micro managed the game design team in order to sell more models. However, I would say to your point that yes it has gotten worse over the years as it is even more structured now. I do believe the game designers are second class citizens compared to sales/marketing for GW. Edit: video from designer: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jbHQazUvWVg.html

Greed, kinda dumb question

Well, in the words of the Big Lebowski. That's like your opinion, man!

It's probably down to their actions and how they do business.

Bite the hand that feeds!

Why that hate? It’s cathartic. Nothing more British than a good-old-fashioned moan about the state of the world. Then after complaining about the endless gloomy clouds and rain, you usually just get your brolly and trudge out in it anyway. Because in reality, it’s not so bad after all. You think collecting tiny plastic figures is expensive? Try small pieces of sticky paper (stamps!)

Gw lost alot of support since the got woke with amazon. Henry helped increase the huge influx of players and I glad he cancelled doing the amazon wokeness. Henry made warhammerto mainstream attention with all the timeshe did free publicity on so many famous TV shows where he was interviewed Warhammer got so big due the Henry .the amazon series is cancelled as well.henry no longer supporting the TV series he was gonna do, which is a huge shame.

The games are terrible, plastic is over priced … but for me … the games aren’t good

The models and art are great. Everything about their business model is anti consumer, modeled after the live service video game industry. Prereleased codex and gaming material invalidation. Season pass style Edition rollover. Poorly tested card game rules pretending to be a wargame. Extremely overpriced models, especially in the face of 3d printing becoming more widespread amongst hobbyists (buying or producing) and those sculpts being on par or better. Hiding their creatives and painters. Using lawfare against creative fans doing fan animations. Sweeping, long established lore changes. The crap list for modern GW can go on and on.

I started listening to you because I wanted the perspective of a store owner, after this video I realized you guys know very little about the industry outside of maybe keeping a brick and mortar open. Some of the things said here were downright stupid.

Because other than cool (way overpriced) models not one single thing they have done in 5+ years has been positive for the consumer. Every single news story from them aside from (overpriced) releases has ranged from bad for the consumer to terrible and lying about it. And a lot of their business decisions are downright disgusting. Their model designs are cool and their art/lore is serviceable. Other than that they are very shitty.

The most expensive products and models in the gaming space by far, unbalanced rules that are split across multiple sources, and market share that makes it annoying to introduce even the easiest model light games to people who are bought into Warhammer being "the hobby".

I just dont care for GW stores because it's a pain in the ass to play there, I'm lucky enough that the cities i've lived in have had FLGSs that actually have table space to support a pick up game w/o involving the store itself in the scheduling.

GW does not offer anything of value, they gave up on their lore, it is no longer grimdark, their models are overpriced and you can 3d print better models cheaper, they charge $25 for a one inch piece of plastic because they are a special characters not because they cost more to make, their rules suck and are designed to push models ie. model ain't selling well, let's release an update to buff up the model so people buy it. The rules themselves cost $100+ for 90% reprinted fluff and 15 pages of actual rules where you have to buy it again every 3 years. If your army was the last to get updated lol have fun with 3 months of rules before they become invalid in the new edition. If you play Warhammer fantasy you've had whole armies invalidated and purged from the rules multiple times. They can't even offer a decent army builder and they are litigious as hell. No, it's not because they hate them because they are the "biggest company", low IQ take, It's because they just suck. I'd rather just use Onepagerules and buy my models elsewhere.

Chess is not balanced. White is OP. They should let Black go first half the time so everyone doesn't play White.

Games Workshop gets hate because they don't respect their customers. They haven't for a long time. Everything has always been too expensive and rules have always been unbalanced. Thankfully the printers go Brrr and there's tons of different systems gaining popularity.

they made grey knights not psycic, made thier wepons psycic with onley penalties, onley one strat wile space marines get 2 and custodes get 2, no more detachments, all my wargear and wepons are gone, effectively grey knights are crippled marines, with no wepons and are not psycic, well librarians kinda are but they dont count. despite the win rate most people who own grey knights dont want to play them in casual play they play space marines.

because the rules writing team has been garbage for at least a decade.

Their horrible pricing, their FOMO approach, their frequent downgrading of the lore, their outdated rules, their nonsensical rules cycle, their bizarre outlandish handling of their own fan community, etc etc. Over the decades things have overall worsened. With here and there an unexpected spike of things genuinely improving. But overall they're pretty much the Disney or the Electronic Arts of the miniatures wargaming world. I love the setting. The sandbox. The models. But everything around it over the years I've grown to despise. Luckily I enjoy playing other systems and sandboxes as well.

Reasons people hate GW: - Constant price rises that have outstripped the quality of what they make (debatable - but come on, Finecast?) - Screwing over LGSes by limiting the amount they can discount as well as cutting their profit margins, as well as trying to push as much traffic directly to themselves. This is even worse because they don’t even want people playing in their store. So they essentially parasite off of independent gaming stores to provide a place to play and to run events. - Australia/New Zealand price differences. No actual explanation for this, other than ‘we can’. Made worse by blocking retailers from selling outside of their countries. - Going after independent content creators. I’m referring to the RU-vid stuff when Warhammer+ came out. Just generally being very litigious and C&D happy. - Constantly bringing out expensive books that you have to have to play the game, and then invalidating those books. Sometimes within months of being released. - Dumb, out of touch corporate decisions based on company structure that affect the games, e.g. Removing beastmen from AoS and Skaven from ToW - Treating fans like idiots and refusing to communicate (e.g. the Cursed City release mess) - Underpaying staff - Not crediting creatives I could go on. There are tons more reasons from the past few decades that I probably missed. Even if you disagree with or justify some of these reasons, the consensus is that the company is unnecessarily hostile toward its customers. Listening to people who have worked there and cross-referencing, there’s a common thread that indicates the company has some pretty toxic, out of touch and arrogant people in management as well as a rather old-skool, authoritarian and toxic culture. This all tracks with the things we see as customers. So you can justify as much as you want, the fact is, they have a horrible reputation and not many people will say it’s unwarranted.

extremely overpriced, make it a huge investment, then make models non compliant with rules updates - absolute fvckery. never mind the deception around pricing and international pricing.

This is a topic that has been beaten to death ad nauseam you can find ancient Internet Forums about it. A topic I see no one talk about and would be curious to hear your takes on it are the 'Influencer' industry GW has purchased for itself by providing free copies of their minis early for 'review'. Miniwargaming, Goonhammer, Tabletop Tactics, and good old Ashe at GMG all receive product 1 to 2 weeks in advance free no charge to them and are given a press release date to discuss it. Now I'm sure if you ask any of these people whether it effects them they'll say no or GW doesn't tell them what to say etc etc. But these channels are receiving literally hundreds of thousands of dollars of free stuff and of course advantage in press as they receive the product early has to have SOME impact on your mindset. And of course channels that are critical of GW receive none of these free things so clearly what you have to say matters. Integrity in journalism is a whole issue but here we have a whole industry that has held out its hand and says 'yes please' offering millions of dollars of free advertisement for this company as long as they get free plastic. Whether you think GW is good or bad, GW has bought hundreds of channels, influencers, etc to provide critical free advertising to their customers. I like Ashe and love his Battle Reports but I find even his reviews suspect just because its muddied by receiving free product continuously from GW. In any other industry if someone received hundreds of thousands of dollars in kickbacks, products, 'gifts', etc and then gave their 'honest review' we'd correctly laugh them out of the room for being so corrupt. But with GW its all just 'doing bussiness'. Long incoherent rant but ultimately people say they're immune to propaganda etc yet here we are. If the propaganda didn't work GW wouldn't be wasting millions of dollars of product.

Also do western people think that in South America, Asia or Eastern Europe people got richer during covid or after it ? W40k on a 450$ monthly salary ain't so fun when you need 600-700$ in models to just have one list , which GW can kill over night. That is why we turn in to 3d print central, but that results in shops dieing , and then communities follow having no place to play

I don't hate GW. I just won't play their games. After 28 years of GW being in my hobby I just got tired of them and their nonsense. GW does a lot right and even more wrong. If you want amazing model kits have fun. Just don't expect a quality well balanced game. The other thing, GW needs to stop pretending 40k is competitive. The game does not have the development team and play testing required for a competitive game. Be the beer and pretzel superstar GW has always been. The hobby is better for it. This is coming from a competitive gamer. A former mk2 warmachine player, a former guildball player, a mtg player, a infinity and godtear player. Having casual/narrative focused games is a good thing and far better form your game long term.

The blatant lore gaslighting and utter contempt towards old school customers. For me it's a very overpriced hobby with strange rules that change all the time that was carried by it's incredible lore... the very lore they are eager to sacrifice for a strange combination of virtue signaling and corporate prostitution.

I remember gamers hating GW during 40k 2nd ed for being corporate sellouts who ruined the game with new kits and price increases. A lot of gamers just need something to hate.

I like how if you try to tease out what people really objectively mean when they use the term "review bomb" it just basically means many people reviewing something... but they don't like it.

Wow. This was really weird to watch as someone who doesn't buy GW stuff. You two sound like your involved in something you are worried deep down is somewhat unethical, and are just making excuses for 17 minutes about why you need to participate in it cause you are financially dependent on the big corporation.

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Because nerds are some of the most entitled people going. Video games, board games, and by extension GW minis - they think they deserve more.... but can't actually articulate why they 'deserve' things to be cheaper. GW is expensive, sure. Yet, compare it to many other hobbies and suddenly it pales in comparison in terms of costs, I mean a football season ticket for Chelsea can cost up to £2,000! However - this hate for 'expensive' is all misplaced. Nearly all hobbies cost money, some more, some less. Yet hobbies consume our 'disposable income'. The real villain is that while the price of literally everything has risen significantly over the years, our wages have stagnated. Therefore, it feels like we are getting less and thus have less 'disposable' income to spend. So our GW hobby feels even more expensive than it is. Do you deserve GW to make things cheaper for you? Hell no. Get over yourself you entitled git. Do you deserve better wages, cheaper housing, cheaper energy, cheaper food, and other NECESSARY LIFE things to be affordable? Hell yes!! We all deserve that, so we can choose where to put our disposable income.

It's wild how much hate GW get and it's simply because of their position as market leader. Every other company in the market does twice as much shady shit with zero outcry. Imagine if Games Workshop launched their Contrast paint line like Army Painter launched the original Speedpaint. There would be rioting in the streets, boycotts heard from space and calls to cancel every last content creator that didn't mention the glaring flaw in the product. And yet Army Painter gets off the hook, scot free, and in fact continue positioning themselves as the darling 'customer first' company. Or another example, how people keep going on and on about how GW exploits all their creative staff... You know, GW, literally the one and only company in the wargaming space that actually employs all their creatives full time rather than contracting them as freelancers... It's wild. Meanwhile, Mantic went on for years without having actual employed game designers, with all their games ran by a committee of unpaid volunteers from the community. You know, Mantic, the friendly, above-table company that only actually employed Alessio Cavatore as a game designer _this year_.

The more haters you have, the better you're doing.

I see most hate from people who are bad with money and say it’s too expensive. Same people always have the money for their video games, gacha phone games, and other hobbies but models are just too much money apparently. GW isn’t perfect but after sampling other games, GW is better than them, period. It’s like world of Warcraft when other MMOs were trying to compete. End of the day, WoW was just better.

Prices, rules, DEI... so many reasons not to buy GW anymore.