Let it go is technically a villan song. She's freezing everything and dosnt care. The cold never bothered her anyway. But it effects the normal people (she dosnt know that all of her kingdom is frozen, but still)
@BeeZkkeeZ Even deeper than that, she's getting into her "villain era" as the slang goes where she embraces a part of her that she's repressed. I've seen a few references to Let It Go where people feel they need to get into their villain eras to be in touch with who they are. In the case of Elsa, she dove too far into embracing her nature, she got into a pathological side of it, causing her to be an antagonist in the movie and having to rectify that.
It’s actually worse than that. The kind of AI that can put out stories like that wasn’t publicly available when this movie was being written. That means all that shjt was actually written by people so bad at doing so it feels like a soulless machine created it.
Easy fix would've been "I don't even tax you a cent." Just cut out everything after free and replace it with this, and its a good elaboration on the sentiment.
Yeah I'm really tired of them not having real villains anymore. And if there is a villain, they make them relatable. 😮💨 Like, it's okay to have someone just be evil, guys.
One of the biggest problems is that it sounds WAY too happy and bright. This is supposed to be the moment when the main villain snaps, why is there doo doo doos?????
Magnifico believes, truly, that he is doing what is best for everybody. He’s all about appearances. There’s even a couple lines in this song that suggest he is deluding himself into thinking he’s some great and benevolent king for taking wishes away and only granting ones that pose no threat to his power. It’s completely in character for him. Remember, Magnifico is the first antagonist royal who starts the film beloved by everyone, including the main character. The next closest would be someone like King Candy, who is villainous and selfish but surrounds himself with cutesy characters and acts silly to disguise his true nature. And there is a part in this song where he snaps as he reaches for the forbidden magic book.
My main problem is that it sounds like they are poorly trying to emulate lin-manuel Miranda's style without actually hiring him, and also making it even more pop-music than it already is. And if they were trying to go for a contrast between Mr. King being deluded and thinking he's a good guy despite being a bad guy. Well. They failed miserably. It does not give that at all. Musically or lyrically.
@@jupitervallehinestroza5095 oh it doesn’t give on the sense that he has deluded himself into thinking he’s a good king lyrically? Like how he says he does all these things for people and then the chorus and title of the song is “this is the thanks I get?”
@dawnknightx if you really want me to yield some ground, I can say it does the bare minimum. It lacks theatricality, it lacks weight in its delivery and it lacks the musical backing to add any feel to what it means to convey. In musicals (which is what this movie is), it is not enough to say something. You gotta back it or contrast it with music.
@@jupitervallehinestroza5095 can you explain how it lacks this? I think the song is fine and has all those elements. It’s just a slightly different style than what Disney has done before.
It's the most realistic disney song ever because it sounds like Magnifico is making up every lyric as he goes along (that's probably why it's so redundant)
You're right, it sounds more like a Normal Guy Is Frustrated Before His Life Gets a Sudden Shake-Up song. The kind of thing a jaded male protagonist might sing before being abruptly cut off by the sudden start of an adventure plot. Unfortunately, it needed to be the kind of song that makes the audience think "Yeah, this is a guy who is evil and totally deserves to be imprisoned forever".
I havent seen Wish but to me it sounds like a song you'd give Iago, or the bat from Anastasia, or the hyenas in Lion King. You give it to them cause its catchy it has villain vibes but not enough power to make you think this guy means business.
i think that was the goal. they're trying to profit of how the viewer's projection onto their characters, which makes them relatable for nearly everybody. disney can then milk it for sales while doing as little as possible.
The internet is calling it "a disney villain song" because THAT'S HOW IT WAS MARKETED. THE PEOPLE MAKING THE MOVIE SAID OVER AND OVER THAT "we will have a classic Disney villain with a villain song".
The "pop-ification" of modern Disney songs has been driving me crazy since "Let It Go." They really need to go back to their musical theatre roots where the lyrics drive the characters and story, but they never will if they think that making the lyrics as generic and non-specific to the plot as possible is the way to get to the top of the charts. I get it, they want to keep the song lyrics vague to make it easier for people to project themselves onto them. I think that's shallow. EDIT because people keep bringing this up: Perhaps "pop-ification" is the wrong term (admittedly I'm not even the one who came up with it to describe the state of modern Disney songs) because what I'm referring to has less to do with the instrumentation/musical genre and more to do with how the lyrics are intentionally constructed to be non-specific enough for audiences to easily project themselves onto, which is undeniably true of Let It Go, and is antithetical to how musical numbers are generally intended to work in musical theatre. A song written for a musical should be woven into the narrative such that its lyrics require context from the story to be fully understood, as the song in turn pushes the narrative and characters forward (We Don't Talk About Bruno is a good example of this done properly). Now, I'm not a musician, but Let It Go is a much better-constructed song than anything in Wish, I'll give it that much; and the other songs in Frozen contain lyrics that are more specific to the actual narrative of that film. But Let It Go undeniably started a trend of writing song lyrics that are intentionally written to be nonspecific enough such that the song can be entirely pulled from its context and still function in isolation, which is observable in most of the songs in Wish.
@@Whatareevenbirds nah, for as not into him personally as I am, he at least knows how to tell a story and works well with motifs. Wish does neither well.
@@rosehorror1422exactly. I’m not a huge fan of him either in general, but the things he has worked on for Disney have been really good storytelling songs.
It didn’t say it on how we could get the amazing lion, King and Tarzan soundtrack from the amazing Sir Elton John, and the legendary Phil Collins, and the person who worked with iconic pop singers can’t make a good song somehow
Shawn isn't too bad But doesn't fit this kind of movie at all. Justin.. well, I'm not a fan of him at all but I will say they could tweaked it and it might have worked? But bc they didnt try to make it match the movie it falls flat.
"Mother knows best" is another villain song that has more personal spice that flows well with its character and gives an insight to how that character's personality and intentions will affect the plot and the story. Not saying every song needs to carry the movie, but its sort of important if it contributes to how we see that character and how they deserve to be IN that movie. It feels like they had too many aesthetics they were going for and they ended up clashing. Had they went for the original concept, it would have given more room for the songs to have more personal meaning to each character and gave us something to hold onto instead of it feeling like promts for the AI generator but who knows
It should also be noted that in no way is he actually a villain.... The dude that's giving everyone free housing and allowing them to live in peace and is actually doing an incredibly good job probably better than any leader has ever done before in real life and they're trying to make him a villain because he's not giving them everything they want.....
Genuinely, I would gladly give a wish if it meant I lived a decent life with no guarantee of it coming true. There isn't even any massive drawback to not having a wish granted, only ONE character was depicted to be 'lackluster' and fatigued after he gave his wish, but that is not the norm with the rest of the wish-givers.
King magnifico IS NOT A VILLAIN. If you say he is then you are wrong and here’s why. 1. If he was a bad king then why is everyone happy 2. He grants wishes and the ones he doesn’t grant are dangerous (meaning you shouldn’t wish them to happen really) 3. What is the definition of a bland and meaningless life exactly? They would live exactly like we live in reality but just better LIKE DO YOU SEE HOW HAPPY THEY ARR
The music doesn’t tell story It doesn’t fit the character doesn’t fit the plot It’s way too happy and chill N there’s disconnection with lyrics and music Unless there’s a twist or what so ever to make it make sense
@@burnedoutgraduatestudent4482Dissonance is different than a disconnect, where the lyrics being used are not appropriate for the context and you can tell theyre just throwing words that will rhyme.
@@mr.stuffdoer8483kinda? But the idea is that he's stealing the people's hopes and dreams in exchange of a cozy life, and now they are protesting and want their dreams back. It doesn't really carry the anger he should be feeling, or the urgency of this problem.
This exactly. Honestly I feel like if they would’ve slowed it down and dropped it an octave or two, making it darker and more dynamic it could’ve been an okay villain song Edit: love how this started an argument
@@AzuleaFlair People use words wrong all the time without knowing what they mean, thinking they have a decent contextual understanding of how the words are generally used. An important thing to note is that dropping the music by any number of octaves would make it so the notes being sung are the same notes but in lower octaves, meaning the key would remain exactly the same
What I gather from Wish is that they got pop artists, who don’t tell stories through their music, to write a music for the story. And especially when compared to composers like Alan Menken, it just doesn’t work.
@@KEDAMONO.Didn’t Encanto release like 2 years ago? Was that also pop music as opposed to theater music? Weren’t those song literally written by Lin Manuel Miranda?
You’d be wrong. While definitely more poppy, most of the songs do tell the stories or reveal greater bit of character through song. Only one I can think that might not is “Your a star” but that song explains to what extent the stars powers can do and sets up various plot points later in the film.
@@dawnknightxto me Encanto feels very musical theater but just sounding like Pop. We Don’t Talk About Bruno for example sounds very pop but it still drives the story and plot forward
@@Jetrowdy so does the music in Wish. Particularly This is the Thanks I Get. Reveals character motivation and shows us the moment he passes the threshold.
That’s the problem. Songs made for stories should tell them. Nowadays Disney tries to get marketing and oscars from adding things to the story instead of working to make an actually good story.
Fun catchy villain songs can work really well so thats not the problem. One example i can think of is "when i find my baby" from sister Act. Its framed as a love song/ almost i want song, but its both comedic and sinister as yes he wants his girlfriend but to brutally murder her. Catchy songs where the villain praises themsleves can also be super cool, for example dentist from little shop of horrors. The issue with this song is its really shitty lyrics and lack of wit
I would say even "In the dark of the night" was upbeat. xD It's no Hellfire, it has singing larva creatures... but it's still a banger. Edit: Also Preminger's "How can I refuse" (I refuse to say it is not iconic).
@petrastein2531 I still sing "In the Dark of the Night" in the shower to psyche myself up for what looks to br a bad day. It's the bug voice changes for sure. DOOM HER!
I'd also say 'You'll Be Back' from Hamilton. Its so upbeat and jovial, but the sharp harpsichord notes create a sense of unease, especially since the lyrics are literally saying 'Im gonna kill everyone you love, but I still love you' as well as the delivery. If you've seen the proshot or seen the show live, every King George actor makes you feel dread and a bit awkward, they're standing there as they sing this threat. It perfectly shows how insane King George was in real life.
Not sure why Disney made that choice. They could have brought Elton John to work on the music since he helped with Lion King, or Alan Menkin or anyone but pop writers.
@@sweethistortea those are pop writers though, they worked because they had direction, haven't watched Wish but everything I hear about it just tells me that Disney half-assed this movie and didn't even know they half-assed it
What's also true is it has a very upbeat sound while older villain songs are more sinister or feel like the villain is hiding something Past Disney movies and similar things have taught our minds to read the beat in this song and anything similar as happy, joyful and celebratory. This makes it extra weird when we get to the more villainous reveal, which can feel like it came out of nowhere since it sounds very different (and wasn't set up throughout the song)
I didn't watch the movie yet and just listened to the song today since I saw backlash on it and after watching this short to clarify, it definitely makes sense. I was wondering why people didn't like it even tho it's very catchy.
I haven't seen the movie yet either, though I want to. Anyways, the song definitely does start out more fun and catchy (which does not necessarily mean "good" objectively, just that it is not the typical "evil" sounding song). However, it does have a slight undertone of villainy to it, since this guy is basically gaslighting himself into believing he is the perfect guy while simultaneously being unwilling to adapt to change because things aren't under his control. It's like a mix of "Gaston", "Stay in Here", and "Mother Knows Best", except whereas each villain of their respective songs knew what they were doing, Magnifico is too blind to see where his thoughts are taking him (one could even say that the lyrics, "I let you live here for free and I don't even charge you rent" (despite the fact they both essentially mean the same thing) also depict that blindness; he's not thinking rationally, he's too frustrated to do so). It's one thing to see a villain like Scar, Jafar, Frollo, etcetera, and recognize they are the villain, but it might be completely another to see a good person forget their true mission (or original intentions) and attempt to bring misery to others, thus descending into darkness. Just my thoughts. *EDIT-JAN 26, 2024:* I finally saw "Wish". So....when it comes to "This is the Thanks I Get" I think it made sense in its given context. That being said, Magnifico was not fleshed out enough. To put it simply, he (like other characters) needed more depth. With that being said, I still liked the movie.
@maxs-lz4pn I mean it does kind off a certain vibe, but since I haven't watched the movie yet, I don't know if it really matches the character's personality. I think that would definitely affect how "good" the lyrics and song are. But that's an interesting point of view! Ill probably think about it when I watch it, if I have time lol.
If you want to write a song in a musical that’s pop, sure. Go nuts. One of my favorite musicals, Six does it very well. But the songs in Six still had a lot of musical theatre aspects. You know why? BECAUSE ITS A MUSICAL.
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This comes off more as a protagonist song akin to the emperors new groove. It perfectly sets up king’s personality and his inherent flaw. He is the king who grants wishes however he’s grown resentful and desires more. Having him be the protagonist of the film having to relearn about the wonders his powers can create could have been something really spectacular if this film was given the time and love it should have gotten.
This is how they changed the Mean Girls Musical soundtrack from stage to screen- they specifically said they wanted the songs to sound like pop songs on the radio, not like a song from a musical. It doesn't always work out, but they sure tried something 😅
It’s as if Wish was created in 5 separate studios where none of the creators collaborated on anything and then, when the songs and the story, and the characters and the animation, all came together, it was just pick and choose, instead of what actually synchronistically seamlessly fit a cohesive storyline and well developed characters and plot with great purpose-written songs.
It was written by pop artists but they have written amazing music for animated films before I’m mostly thinking Elton John. But it’s clear they wanted the sound of Lin Manuel Miranda But fail to understand how he can do what he does. Class musical theater training is a must for the kind of storytelling Disney works with! Plus honestly I think that other pop artists could have made a wonderful soundtrack I think it’s just the ones they got weren’t the right fit!
I honestly dislike people who belittle others for enjoying something they hate, I dislike this song with every fiber of my being but I’m not gonna make fun of someone cause they enjoy it and I don’t, your opinion on this song is completely valid and don’t let anyone make you feel like it isn’t
The thing with the song is it isnt a villan song. He is talking about being used for granted and instead of show us he's telling us and he is naming good things like an underdog. Ursula off lyrics where shes mumbling to herself shows her true intentions. Hellfire talks about hes lust driving him to insanity and willing to sell his soul for her. Be prepared is him being envious of his brother and showing he doesnt care about the pride he cares for the power.
I personally get a smile on my face when i hear this song, like when he says "i let them live here for free and i dont even make them pay" the smile is typically followed by a loud noise some have refered to as laughter
and that’s exactly the issue. disney has been chasing that “big hit” and desperately wants it on, say, radios. as time goes on, disney keeps losing the reason for why they are famous. they’re losing the reason why they’re still around after 100 years. they no longer care about making art. whether it be creating characters that are meaningful and/or have good reason to exist, stories that are driven from a passion to create art instead of money, songs that are written to further the story rather than to seem ‘relateable…’ from tales like the live actions mulan, live action the little mermaid, and even to wish, it really feels like disney’s goal is focused on making money instead of art. all companies want to make money, but disney has forgotten WHY they made so much money and achieved so muh success over the decades - it’s because of their storytelling. all of the live-action remakes are there to make money and feed off of people’s nostaglia for these franchises. they change the story to make it seem “original” and “new,” but they end up weakening the story instead (see the writers giving live-action mulan powers, undermining the entire purpose of the original and its themes). they no longer want to make art, and wish-especially as disney’s 100th anniversary movie-is cementing that point. at this rate, they may not make it another 100 years solely because they are misguided as a company.
I mean, it is a villian song, and made by Disney, so it makes sence the internet is expecting a lot more from this song than was giving. That, and Disney music usually means it's going to be in a musical theater style. It's practically tradition at this point. That doesnt really help the music's case though, in fact it only makes things worse. Wish was built up to be an homage to Disney's animation legacy, and then here's this movie, with music nothing like any of the well known and beloved music from the last century. It sounds wierd, the the lyrics are bad, and it's just not a Disney song, much less a Disney villian song.
Tbh, I loved the song. It displayed a villain that wasn’t just a character, but someone you could genuinely know. A man that had developed an unhealthy view of life and abused his power, manipulating and hurting others. It felt so real to me. The pop feel added to this sense of charisma he invoked instead of the story telling that we’re used to with other villains. It’s like he didn’t deserve a past or motive for us to be invested in, but a practice for us to be disgusted by. The man was a fake, and the structure of the song added to it. Musical theatre style songs have a voice to it that he didn’t deserve.
I personally blame TikTok for this. This song was well received until a video from that bloody website...let's just say "criticized" it. Don't believe me? If you look at the lyric video for that song, scroll down far enough and you'll see that some comments relied on THAT particular website. And it's not just the fact that they're accusing Disney of using AI. Some comments were literally *attacking Chris Pine himself and bashing other people's opinions on the song* (like, these people should know better than to bash other people's opinions because that's just immature). This is one of the main reasons why I think the Disney hatebase has gone too far. I'm sorry if I went a little too far myself with this comment. It's just that, from my perspective, we should all have our own opinions and stand up for them instead of letting a website tell us what to like and hate.
Agreed. I had 2 ppl mocking me for liking that song. When I said it was the most memorable imo, they just went “That’s not a compliment, you just proved the songs are shit.” Ah well, they can hate all they want
It’s not a villain song. Point blank. It’s not “Be Prepared”, it’s not “Poor Unfortunate Souls”, it’s not even “My Lullaby” (Lion King 2). It’s a pop song.
The song has very slowly grown onto me. It’s undeniably catchy, and I really like that they gave the villain the upbeat song while the heroes have the more sinister one. Still, I think the lyrics could’ve used a bit more work. (We all know about the ‘living for free and not paying rent’ verse)
I like the song! It was, by far, the catchiest in the film. And Chris Pine has a surprisingly good singing voice. I didn't even THINK to compare the song because the soundtrack is modern pop, not orchestral, so it went with the film's musical theme
to be honest i love this song. People want villain songs to sound the exact same such as "be prepared" and ""friends on the other side" are from very old Disney movies. This song gives a very modern feel. Disney is far from movies like Lion King and Little mermaid. A lot of Disney movies don't really have villain songs anymore such as Big Hero 6 mainly because Big hero 6 only had 1 song in it. You can have your own opinions but I personally love what Disney did.
it’s a banger song, shame people hate it so much. wish was an amazing movie for me, love the animation style and the characters, but it’s… just missing a lot.
You’re forgetting that Chris pine has exhibited 0 vocal ability in this song. Great actor but not a singer for sure. This also fails in comparison to other Disney villain songs where the vocal components were extremely strong
I don’t know if I can agree that he’s not a singer - he sounded great in Into The Woods, and he even sounds good in his other song from Wish - “At All Costs” I do think that this song isn’t playing to his strengths as much as the other examples though. I also have a suspicion that even if this song had gotten the perfect vocal performance, the pop-hook bounciness of the chorus would still make people just as disappointed for a “Disney villain song” 😔
It DOESN’T help that the songs in this movie were made by Julia Micheals who has written songs for artists including Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato, Fifth Harmony, Shawn Mendes, Britney Spears, Justin Bieber, Hailee Steinfeld, and Gwen Stefani Yeah…massive L
THANK YOU. I haven't watched the movie yet, but I have listened to most of the songs, and honestly I like This Is The Thanks I get?! quite a bit. Was disappointed that people were saying it was a bad villain song and all that
No way. I come across this random RU-vid short, and I see someone who I’m 99% sure I was in a local community theater production of “Sister Act” with, several years ago. Small world.
This is where I was stuck on it too. I like his villain character, although a bit flimsy, the song just doesnt hit like a villain song. Im glad there is this explanation because something dod feel off.
People talking about let it go don’t know that that number is the most classic broadway musical theater song I’ve ever heard. It’s 100% story driven, it’s powerful, the singer is phenomenal, but because it got so popular people seem to think it was exclusively made to be a radio song. Everyone who hates that song, I beg you, watch that movie again disregarding everything bad everyone else has said, and judge for yourself.
