Why does this exist... Vive Pro Review 

Lol

HTC: *thinks about retiring*

Htc: you weren’t supposed to do that

HTC is done anyway now, after that cosmo headset bullshit

HTC: MAKE MORE HTC VIVE ORIGINALS

She gets nothing!

Lol 😆 that’s hilarious

I disagree with half of what he said, it is an outdated review , I have it and I love it , best VR you can get, you can even have 4 base station in each corner making tracking precise and room area up to 10 x10 meters

@@Berndr The best vr you can get is the valve index.

@@Berndr it's a penis joke fam

Haha, I feel this comment on a personal level. *turns around looks at an empty room* “Who, me?”

Right? I’m just here because my finger slipped

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I guess other people thought stuff lol.

If you don't expect any reason, then it is safe to say it. Therefore why not? ^^

@Wewli I’ve seen worse, Bratty friend

I'm in Africa

I would appreciate it ,but I don't have a gaming pc or console to go with it

Blackbullet 77 You could eat it though.

Lol red panda I'm not starving am bored

We don't need food we need tech

Snazzy Labs hey why is it that the Samsung Odyssey which is half the price right now not getting more spot light? The headsets are basically the same ( tracking of course different) and the Samsung one comes with the complete set up. That is also 100 dollars less than the orginal vive is currently too. Ah keep making great videos!

Because the tracking is lackluster by comparison and you have to run Windows software underneath everything you play (on SteamVR) which hurts performance. Despite saying all that it is probably not going to disappoint a new user though.

NobleBrutus there is a lot of things that need to happen to run the vive properly too that hurts performance just like how on the rift it opens oculus every time. Also the windows house is not running in the background only the software that turns on the device. There is nothing showing except the vr start screen. It is when you go into the house does it effects you. You can launch games through the steam game library. So you don't even need to enter the house UI. Tracking was a bother for the rift too I needed a third camera if i wanted to turn around to attack what's behind me. I'm sure the room scale for the vive can be difficult to keep set up. My inside out tracking 97% of the time is accurate and has no tracking issues. So in the small apartment I am in I can just put on my headset and play vr. With only one cable needed from me to my computer. The windows mixed reality platform is still very new and there are bugs. It's easier to deal with the 1400x1400 per eye in my HP than the 1080x1200 in the rift or the vive. I need more pixels to adapt to my weird eyes.

Snazzy love your content

Having not tried it I am repeating only what I have heard so I am very glad it works well for you! I don't know what 'needs to happen' to affect Vive performance though? Vive room tracking is obviously more effort, though notably still only one cable goes to the computer. The level people want to go to to get the slightly better experience obviously varies.

shut up it should be obvious what's happening

@@RainyFoxUwU dumbass furfag

hella bored Wow, what an original and thoughtful insult. You must be an interesting person to talk to.

@@flesh_bag frfr

@@flesh_bag you want them to right a disstrack?

Ikr

Very

So triggering!!!!! He wants to keep his headset clean!!!!!!!!!

Jesus. Even for the recommended scenario, the Vive Pro is an expensive joke. Pretty sad.

Thank you, at the arcade I work at we've been debating constantly for weeks if to get the Pro.

Maybe some rubber padded floors in the playarea might help preserve your investment (and possibly some broken bones) in that unlikely event someone should fall or drop the unit. And as for the strap knob, well, I totally fee ya there.

3 months late but another professional arcade here. No issues beyond mics just simply ceasing to work for seemingly no reason. Sorry to hear that you guys didn't get a lot of good use out of them and if you're ever in Orlando stop by VR Territory, love to talk shop with you.

how do you rate the htc vive to the rift?

Shhh.. you don't need to know what you're doing when you're popular. you just need to sound like you do

If someone can't easily figure out how to use something optimally, that's a design flaw, not a user flaw

Fonduman it says it in the big getting started page that comes in the package. I'm guessing he assumed it was the same as his old Vive. Same as I did. The instructions were very clear, some people just neglect them.

yeah the pro is so much more comfortable. pro over the old vive any day! the weight is so good. you dont have all the weight at front anymore.

You really think Linus reads instructions? Surely if there's that much of a difference, they'd had advertised it better; especially since original vive users probably aren't going to want to read the instructions for a second time for basically the same product. Printing "even more customisability for better comfort" or something would maybe make people look into it.

consumer oriented?

@@okok-wh8rw check vive pro kit prices, then check valve index brand new prices not much of a comparison for a 3x better kit

@@okok-wh8rw Vive pro base kit: 1200$ Index full kit:1000$ Not quite sure what your argument is

@@HabitsRabbits The only issue right now about the Index is the 8 weeks waiting list per order iirc. so you might need to wait years to get a couple of them while you can get the same amount of Vive within a few weeks

@@Pac0Master True,but thats a problem with shipping and not the product themselves.

ikr

Finally somebody said it I couldn't even find any comments saying that

I LIKE PASTA.

He’s prob gonna return it after the vid lol

So crazy!!!!!!!! He's keeping his headset clean!!!!!!!!

Maybe VIVE will be the tie breaker next year or the year after ?

HOKagE DATTebayO lol

😕

VIVE: 0

@@isaacellison3225 the was released not to long ago so it wasn't a thing yet

Jackson Hayes Uncle Ave's reach has chooched pretty far, for sure.

The empire of dirt's influence is spreading

Jackson Hayes old meme

Uncle Bumblefuck approves!

DrowsySquid75 it's barely a meme

Not taking no mark of no man on my body. Lol.

@@Noel127 amen

contact lens

​@@Noel127​ indeed

@@cario3257 should have written spoiler alert...

That’s nice that they are unbiased

*Faique* *khairi* PFFFFTTTT NEXT JOKE PLEASE

Any reviewer worth their salt won't let something being free affect their review. And Linus isn't stupid, he knows he has the power here. This is one of the biggest tech channels on youtube, after all.

I guess they get so much free shit from everyone that they don't care about that anymore.

He has said that in the worst case, they will simply buy the products full retail if the companies won't supply.

and for how much they stole from Oculus as well... like the headband and headphone bilateral movement. Unfortunately the one thing they should really try to mimic is the analog stick on the controllers which would allow walk and not teleport in VR games. What a bunch of idiots.

you can walk with the vive though? the touchpads function as analog sticks as well...

yes its true, but its easier with an analog, in fact much easier.

Quite false, Both works fine for movement.

They work*, but the analog is much better imho, Maybe per game but in games like Onward simply laying your thumb on your D-pad will cause your character to move, often unintentionally. I prefer something more tangible.

The people who made or help making this video captions maybe wanted to do that :/ (Now dont go to me saying "ITS RU-vid" acting like an idiot, it will say (auto generated) if its youtube)

lmao it dose

@@Blue_Gamer-cb4dk nobody was blaming anyone...

Papa Bear THATS THE POINT

O ok

I don’t really care, can’t even buy it if I wanted to unless I want to buy a sweaty, used one from Amazon.

@@notlNSIGHT When he wrote that comment there was a huge wait time. Orders were being pushed back 8 weeks or more.

What happened with tunnelbear?

but is that what disappointed H&NKinsha

most likely...its disappointing for sure

TunnelBear sucked before then though. It crashed almost every fucking session for me. Garbage.

Punderino Well pia isn't as easy as tunnelbear but heavy multiplatform, fast, cheap and allows the use of torrents. I only found out that the pirate bay was blocked by my isp (not by choice it was a court order) by reading the news.

Tim diersing they give it to him for feedback

No, it is to late for feedback when it is already out. They give it to him to review it, in the hope that a positive review will benefit sales.

Arne Schwarz You’re right, my bad bro

i think hes a bad reviewer, but he's entertaining

Brave?? Haha. The dude has millions of subs and he knows he can do whatever he wants. Get wok, dude.

It's less that these are an improvement and more that they cut the prices of the old versions in half once they moved on because they want as many people invested in VR as they can manage to increase the buyer pool, but without taking too significant a hit to their profits. The biggest downside to VR dev is the extremely small amount of people who would be able to use the product even if it was the best experience on the planet. This means fewer companies can take the risk of developing for VR which means a smaller chance of good content, which means fewer reasons to bother with the VR at all. So cutting the price of the old version by as much as they can manage makes a sort of sense there.

I have the windows mixed reality headset which is like 300 I think it's great, it has no sensors as they are all built in and you still have full room scale. I have played pretty much all the good games on vr and they all work great. You can even play htc vive and oculus games because it has an analogue stick and a touch pad. Not to mention it's 1440p and a lot clearer than the oculus and vive. I would recommend the Samsung version as it has an even higher resolution and an oled screen

The Doc no way I had no idea that works! I got mine with a gaming pc on sale, I then sold the gaming pc and made £50 and got the headset and some games. (Pricing mistake at maplin)

Paul Karyakos not trolling or anything but honestly i prefer the Oculus, my cousin has a vive but i HATE the Vive controllers. Oculus Touch is waaay better.

Paul Karyakos a

Kp _rider hjihinb b0

How does that make any sense? I'm personally waiting for this tech to be more refined before buying, and I thought this might be the version to start with but its just the headset so like many ppl similar to myself this is a terrible product if you were looking to get your first VR set up. Take the ps4 pro it still came with a fucking remote not just the console because they assume that you already had the old one.

Kp _rider I

If you want VR, wait a few more months. New products to be announced soon by various companies.

YESSSSSS

Andrew Lewis that exists its pretty cool... Its called new retro arcade vr and its on steam

those headsets would be a breeding ground, we'd probably create new forms of life...

Invest in lice shampoo now before the stocks soar.

those are all over my city

Its already nasty enough when one person uses headset long periods of time. :D

Marios Rouggeris its 500 dollars in us about 600€

Max1281 And here I thought euros costed more than dollars...

tax ... people in US tend to not to include any tax to he price of the product as each of the states have its own separate tax. here in EU where consumer goods are taxed around 20-25% we tent to name the final price with tax included. Which means our prices not only include the import fees but also pretty hefty consumer tax on top of that. And since dollar based economies tend to go $1 = €1 then add import tax then add the "added value tax" on top it easily equals those €700

500 dollars would be about 430 €

20 - 25% ? We have 19% here.

SourCan he’s fake Expressins sorry can’t spell

No you look like you've just appeared from a 80's sci fi film and are just waiting for the english-speaking space demons to arrive.

There's nothing wrong with being cyborg. Don't listen to him Mark.

Who is He? Mark Zuckerberg?

Zucc

TicTwitchTeen omg hi!

Why would you think that a generation 1 product releasing a 'Pro' version would be a game changer? If anything, the Vive 2 would be a theoretical game changer.

I actually think its pretty good

I tried the pro and I do think it’s a game changer. The resolution is so much better, definitely worth it.

For what Ive heard the resolution is quite an upgrade and for that alone I envy Vive as a Rift user

impossible unless there is a hyperfast pci-e speed wireless bluetooth

HTC have already announced a wireless add-on they're releasing this year. www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news/hacking-maker/hands-on-htc-vive-pro/ Scroll half way down the page to the wireless segment. The Impossible just became possible.

yeah it's 60ghz wifi or some such so it's got the speed just maybe not huge range without dynamic compression.

Mathew S imagine how much heavier it'll be with a giant Li-ion battery on it. Unless they come out with new lighter battery technology, I'm ok with cables for now

You simply dont put an li-ion battery ontop of the head, like none of the already comercially available wireless sollutions do. Let it be the third-party tpcast wireless kit or the first-party htc (displaylink/intel) one, the battery pack is located on your hip via strap or in your pocket. You obviously dont want to add any unnessesary and more importantly unbalanced weight to the head, thus integraded batteries, which only would come with drawbacks anyway, arent used in any of those.

i wanted to press dislike because im disappointed : (

longbowdt : I'm not upgrading until GPU prices come down (only got a 970) & the wireless adapter is out. The standard Vive is still pretty good for what it is.

I really lucked out on buying the Zotac 1080 mini for $499.00 a week later it was $800.00. But prices are starting to drop now, finally, but still a bit higher than "normal". Blame Bitcoin speculation.

Jonas Karlsson no It isnt

+Jonas Karlsson someone didn't get the joke.

Eh idk. I honestly think vive is better than vive.

Jonas Karlsson do you get that this joke is basically saying Vive > Vive Pro while keeping nicknames?

Yikes... But it can replace Valve Index headset only tho!

Virtual reality is useless would rather buy a 4K HDR monitor.

When it's not as expensive as a gpu sure lol.

DANNYonPC Just get a used one on ebay. Its worth it

Jack Wood its worth it if you have like a million dollars to spend on a vr ready graphics card haha.

Vr ready GPU is actually around $200...

Its worth it

Yeah I’m using it with the wireless adapter and 2 base stations 2.0 ........big area to play and wireless VR the way God intended it to be lol

Chopper Chop same here love it so much

The VR community is terrible anyway. Rat poison is much cheaper and it gives death virtual reality experience when you eat it. Rat poison (less than 10$) > HTC Vive Pro (700$)

If you still haven't got the Vive, your options are way more in a couple of months with a mid-gen HMD, obviously I am talking about Valve HMD, Oculus S & Vive Cosmos

@@newplayer1082 i know why your name is new player because you just got out of the womb

@@stickyman3786 why are you replying to a years old comment? Are you dumb

@@newplayer1082 why are you replying to my comment then

+Legion Elite Yes.

I know it's been a while, but did you ever pick up the Quest 2? Higher resolution than the Pro and 100% wireless inside-out tracking

@@MrJr1976 i mean inside out tracking is nice but nothing beats base station tracking

@@stickyman3786 I have been unable to tell the difference outside of tracking legs

@@MrJr1976 you can put you hands behind you without losing tracking

Channel VR is it a 700 dollar difference tho

Also, the vive pro is much overlooked with it's camera. It is really great especially if vive wont let you do roomscale!

@@glitcherific7054 Yep AC is the best out there.....BUT for LAN gaming it really sucks you need to know you way around router settings. But you can race online like i do with my 2 rigs... raceroom is very good to... and maybe ACC in februari but this is early acces so no points yet there...

@@channelvr1293 worst sim... if there is just 1 fuckin raindrop on the street, your car is feeling like on ice... DiRT Rally is the best VR Racing Sim imo!

@@Dam1XxX well ....in case of being a realistic SIM i think Iracing is the one out there.... in case of best sim implementing VR then i have to say AC is the best for VR.. but yeah just talking about true sim....Nope it's not AC or ACC .... dirt rally is awesome in VR ...

Justin Y. Just sell your body, make more in the long run

How about graphics cards?

You have two...

I always see you in the comments section of most videos I watch...

YES! I've seen this guy like one 20 different chanels, i think he coments on every video he watches

Rift is like $400 and doesn't suck. Affordable for who? Get a job.

Rift still sucks in my opinion. Imo VR will be in its full form once we get a headset that's completely wireless with better tracking, higher resolution and more natural controllers than the current Rift or Vive have. The new Vive with the new lighthouses and the upcoming knuckles controllers seems like it could meet these standards but that's over $1000 and not all in one package. I would consider $500 or less to be affordable.

Higher resolution and more natural controllers are definitely needed in future headsets. However, wired headsets are not at all as much of a problem as people make it out to me.... it seems that people without the headsets make more of an issue of it. I got extended cables for my Oculus (the stock ones are way too short, even for a small play area), and I completely forgot that I'm playing while wired to the PC in a huge play area. I also bought an additional sensor for the Rift for $60 and that made tracking almost perfect back in 2016, when the rift had trouble with room scale with only two sensors. Now, even if you play with two Rift sensors, you get pretty much perfect tracking. The ONLY thing Vive has on the Rift as far as tracking is being able to track in a bigger play area. Honestly, for $400, the Rift is an excellent first generation headset. It's lighter than the Vive, has more natural controllers (which take batteries instead of having to constantly be charged), and the headset is overall a lot more comfortable (mostly due to being lighter). The tracking difference is not noticeable in medium sized play areas. It will also have resale value for when you want to upgrade to a second gen headset (which the Vive Pro is definitely not). So I don't really see why you say the Rift still sucks even though it's a great example of the top tier first gen HMDs.

All first gen HMDs suck imo not just the rift. I have a Vive, I'm tired of tripping over cables and getting neck-aches from a heavy headset that's not super comfortable. Plus the tracking gets a bit off from time to time, very immersion breaking. Haven't used the rift but I've read the play area is not even room scale.

I think it's reasonable to see better hand-motion controllers, a fully wireless headset and better resolution that eliminates the screen-door effect by 2019. The inside-out tracking becoming as good as Vive lighthouses will be pretty tough but could be possible as well. So 2020 in all seems like a pretty reasonable time frame.

Oof.

If you have a high powered card like a 1080ti it's heaven. But I don't use my headset exclusively for vr kickboxing like Linus so what do I know

Nah not really, most VR games still look like a blurry mess with supersampling turned on.

Its the optics that cause blurry messes and other undesirable glow effects in particular the Fresnel lenses introduce a lot of distortions but at the same time using non-Fresnel lenses would make the size/weight go way up. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pNOGMfmti4w.htmlm Generally though your not supposed to use them in anything with the words high resolution, low distortion, or imaging. In projection systems they typically are only seen in ultra-cheap projectors or to concentrate the light source to a smaller beam that gets cleaned up through other optical elements.

@Djinn: Do you actually have a Pro? Cause I do and it does not look like a blurry mess lol, it's quite clear, you can nearly match your real-world text scale reading. Make sure you've actually properly measured your IPD and set it on the he headset... People don't understand how important proper IPD for making the image look clear.

It's not a "bundle", it was clearly stated at launch of being the HMD only. There is a real bundle now, both 1.0 and 2.0 tracking. Personally, I have both the Vive and the Vive Pro; Both have their merits. I personally don't use the original and I believe the extra cost for the Pro is worth it IF you've never used or don't already own the original.

SDG Danny oculus is awfole

Oculus is freaking great

exclusive gamer22 Not really, it's not bad at all. I am very pleased with the tracking and controllers. Though I wouldn't mind having a Vive either. I'm not biased nor do I prefer one over the other except for minor differences. All in all, I think HTC has completely flopped on this one. I will be waiting to see how the Pimax 8k turns out, I imagine they'll have fixed some of the issues Linus mentioned in this video.

So far my fav is OG Vive but what ever works for you. Yeah whenever I use it the first thing I can think to upgrade would be less weight and bulk not more. I don't think this is made for me unfortunately.

exclusive gamer22 I tried Oculus roomscale and Vive roomscale before I made my purchase decision.. I chose the Oculus. To say one is WAY better than the other is pure fanboyism. It really just comes down to what feels better on your head.. and we all have differently shapped heads. (I also just didn't like the wand controllers)

Late reply here, but look into covers. You can get some really good waterproof ones that wipe down easily. The default sponge gets waaay to soupy to be comfortable passing around. (Or even just for personal use IMO, taking it off and coming back in to cold sweat is eww)

I think he meamt arcade genre games

@@martinelebeau7776 Nope, at arcades some places have Vive HMDs in there and is costs money per 10 minutes

It's actually a thing. These vr arcades usually have tournaments which you can win stuff.

HTC vive has screen covers you swap out after each session. pretty much a no brainer, they have them and its a must have for any arcade. If they don't have them, you shouldn't be going there unless you want to give your immune system a workout.

Yeah

It's okay, dude.. maybe next time :)

Sachi Game I bought an Oculus Rift bundle a few weeks ago after they revealed this thing's price. I'm enjoying it quite a lot so far!

+jan Conner You do know that businesses pay even MORE than consumers for the Vive?

Nightdare no they don’t haha, they make a profit, they wouldn’t make it if they were losing money

You don't get it: the original comment I replied to (which is now gone) was about this being targeted at the businesses Consumers buy the Vive for less cost than businesses do It's not about HTC making money, it's that businesses will have to invest more per headset that the average joe, making the product less appealing for them

Whelp, htc disappointed again

@@WibblyWobblyChannel Meh, I guess it’s all subjective. I’m happy and pre-ordered.

Andrew Yoo he didn't

Because no one uses the fucking camera anyway, waste of money and pointless additional weight

+Luke Wren I would have preferred it that he reviewed the cameras as well though... since they are part of the upgrade.

Where did you brought it to?

You mean a VR-cade?

Daniel Castillo *BADUM TSS*

Its not a bad idea though 🤔

The lasertag near my house actually did that

an improvement btw.

ifUreadthisURalien no Vive for this

Getting mixed reality

Robot_Wolf like in this video he said, you got to buy the controller and the tower sensors because without it, the headset is literally useless.

Serxule whatever you do dont make your decision becaus elf this guy hes biased against vr he said he loves it but thats a lie watch another eview if you havent chosen yet

Yea, I doubt he spent much time adjusting it. He was bitching about it moving on his a head a little when he whips his head around, then takes it off and doesn't even need to turn the retention dial... which tells me it wasn't nearly tight enough.

ya I can't figure out that comment he made about controller tracking mine track just fine and are really accurate and they have the high res screens like the pro for a shit ton cheaper

Paid 150 bucks for a new Lenovo Explorer and I love it

Just a question can it still play all the same games as oculus and HTC?

Luke Stanley pretty much since you can use steam vr with it now

As judebox11 said, but if you are signed up for windows insider and use mixed reality for steam vr from the steam store you can even launch steam games from inside the mixed reality portal (instead of always having to launch from your pc then quit then go back to your pc)@@lukestanley820

CantShootMe what. The. Fuck. Why the hell is the price that high? Is there inflation in norway or something? I live in denmark and the price is about 1200$

In Poland, it costs 1030 USD, and salaries here are not exactly like in Norway. Even the Oculus Rift, which sells in the USA for 400 USD, costs the equivalent of 600 USD locally. Pricing in Europe is so bloody annoying, and it hits countries with lower purchase power especially badly. Really doesn't help consumer adoption of VR...

Hah, try living in South America. Here in Uruguay stuff costs between 1.5 and 3 times the price in USA (with the Oculus going for around $1000) and the wages are worse than in Poland, so enjoy your not-quite-there but pretty great country.

Norway Minimum wage is 16 dollars. Almost twice as much as the US.

Same here in Ukraine (well, sort of; some stores are selling it for $1000-1400, but others tend to overprice the product).

Get the quest 2

I have been looking at the reviews for it and so far I am going to keep my original vive because the upgrades are to expensive for a so, so experience.

What a great day that was

holy shit how many times do you have to comment are you that desperate to be noticed

Kp _rider Do you own a vive pro?