HTC Vive Pro 2 Review - Worth The Upgrade? 

Index's mic is just insane.

Exactly! HTC left the chat.

Bro same, I've had my index now for 6 months. And I never knew it was THAT good.

hey again!

Maybe his studio mic **is** the index mic?!

Valve giving HTC the Vive brand was a mistake

Oculus will always be the innovative one.

@@OfficialCineGameVerdicts why? Are they innovative in the controller domain? No… the valve index controller is. Audio? No. comfort? No. Tracking fidelity.

It’s like having a new car… « they only change the engine and the direction… » ;) they already have the best tracking… so resolution and lenses are the most important things

@@nicolasmeunier3126 ya got a point

Agreed. Seems like they didn't even try with this one. Just slapped new displays in there, new lens design, and painted the main shell black. For a next gen headset, it looks pretty weak.

It's so frustrating. I've waited for this announcement to decide on my upgrade from my OG vive. And the fact that I even consider to choose between the Index, a 1.5 year old HMD and this one is just sad.

@@minecrafter0505 I would try it out before making your mind up. VR headsets work different for each person as we have different eyes and head sizes. I have the original HTC vive and I can tell you that my friends had different experiences with it over my own and that is first gen headset. I have a pre order to updated my original set. I feel the screen resolution for the current market is the best in the field ... the next one is the 8k x Prima but that one is almost double the cost and has its own issues. Happy about my preorder also its only 749 right now before end of the month

(H)ates (T)heir (C)ustomers

Shows that people don’t really want to compete with Facebook anymore😞

Wait for that index 2 mate

Is there a Index 2 for sure?

Hey good to see you here viper

@@KailolaBelle Yh mate watch thrillseaker and the mystical

and you still do not know about that 120 horizontal fov ! are you happy ,now .?

Thrillseeker touches on much more problems that weren't pointed out here, go check it out.

In about 10 years time when they release another one :( They still can't make Indexes, controllers and particularly basestations quickly enough and they're still selling at the original full price, so I can't see why Valve would bring out another headset when their current one is so sought-after. They also must make a fortune from users buying basestations and knuckles for use with other headsets. They're in a very strong position and have no need to bring another HMD out for the forseeable future.

@@vtidsvr4674 I have a small amount of hope that a company isn't just after profits but wants to innovate and create some amazing technologies, and thus would release a much better headset sooner, regardless of their other predecessor performance. Part of why I give kudos to oculus quest 2, they basically said fuck the history of the quest 1, we need to release this better version to get more people to VR, all at a financial loss.

@@alexkennedy5133 Valve is a business - It's mostly just about profits in reality. FB also gave a huge middle finger to PCVR though. They weren't interested in pushing that further, becaue they went down the mass-adoption route. So you can see it from both sides. Yes they've pushed standalone VR to new limits, and at an initial financial loss (purely the hardware) but they had a 'Rift 2' ready to go and then at the last minute they dropped the project in favour of standalone. I will always wish I could have had a Rift 2. As I said elswhere, if there was a Rift CV1 with better res and lower SDE it'd be my favourite headset ont he market. It so nearly came to market, but FB fudged that.

@@vtidsvr4674 ppl have sold their souls to FB just for lower cost headsets to try and destroy the VR market and be the only consumer there is. Another reason to give FB the finger

@@wicked1rish I mean, you can’t be mad if it works. Like or hate Facebook, they know what they’re doing to get vr into the mass market

HTC Vive Pro Pro

HTC Vive the same pro

I just watched ur video what are the odds lol

Wow

Is the headset any good I was looking to buy one

read this: developer.nvidia.com/blog/dsc-higher-fidelity-vr/ it is human visually lossless

With dsc and vssr will make it almost unnoticeable

@@joseferrer8334 Ok visually lossless, that sounds like it's probably still lossy. And the two images they use to show the comparison are just the same images, with the same file sizes, so it's quite sketchy.

@@VadimZverev His wasn't the best though, he measured fov wrong. I saw him comment on r/vive that he did fov per eye, not both eyes combined, so once you add those numbers together and subtract overlap I think you get around 115 fov. Personally if a review doesn't know how to measure fov, he's not a very credible reviewer. Unless you only have 1 eye like my partner, in which case his fov calcs were great.

Bussiness users don't want another controller according to HTC and for private they can't do better than Valve. The design is probably because of the extensions, all of which you can also use with the Heaset. Why would they change something good. The mic is not excusable.

Sadly, they died and were never revived. They just Re-Vived.

Valve left, they can manufacture things well enough, but they sure are shit at designing and innovating

Yeah, I'm very annoyed by some aspects of my G2, sweetspot being one of them. I preordered a Pro 2 only to get rid of the G2 asap. I still have an Index, but the visual clarity of a higher res display is addictive. I just can't put up with loss of connection, weird USB behavior, poor build quality, bad software and atrocious FOV anymore. As long as the Pro 2 gets rid of these issues, I'm already happy. All I hope for is an Index replacement with higher res.

@@_kev_ I own an Index and I basically see the Pro 2 as an Index but with higher res. I don't notice the higher refresh rates on the Index so I'm happy with 90hz, and I prefer on-ear audio. The mic does sound pretty disappointing though! My only concern is the sweetspot size and also how much of an improvement will it be over the Index when I'm running a 1080ti (can't get hold of a 30 series). Worst case the sweetspot is crap and I return it and continue with the Index and CV1.

@@vtidsvr4674 The most important thing is FOV and go watch voodoo review. it has a smallee fov than a quest 2 lol

@@Simlife101 his was the first review I saw. I'm not talking about fov here though. Personally fov isn't the most important thing to me.

@@_kev_ I'm in the same boat. Love my g2....... When it works. I honestly troubleshoot more than I use it. Wmr is a joke and the things constantly disconnecting, screen going black, sound not working, cord popping out due to its 40mm thickness.. it's not a fun experience for the best clarity. Not worth it. My oculus quest 2 literally never fails and was half the price.

All I want is wireless for my Index. Fortunately, that's a “solved problem,” so we should be seeing it soon™.

Thank you so much for the feedback mate []-)

Same here

Wellkim

1. The Wireless Adapter does compress the video, but instead of h.264/h.265 it uses a custom codec which is much less efficient, but also a lot faster. The result is lower latency (but still not equivalent to wired), comparable artifacting and *terrible* resolution (about 3/7 the resolution of the Quest 2). 2. Using the Pro 2 with the wireless adapter is just dumb - you'll be limited to a resolution straight out of 2017 with a promised upgrade to 2019 resolution. If you're OK with that, why not save a ton of money and buy a Cosmos Elite instead? Or why not save even more and just keep using your original Pro? The nominal resolution will be the same. Sure, you lose 1/3 of the subpixels, but you gain the beautiful inky blacks of OLED.

@@hellterminator Interesting. I have both the Quest 2 and the Vive Pro with the Wireless Adapter. I can clearly see macro blocks and resolution problems on the Quest 2 via Link or Air link but no such issue on the Wireless Adapter (unless the emitter is blocked or the signal drops in quality). I couldn't find the spec for the Wireless Adapter regarding the Vive Pro and what is the max resolution it supports, but with the naked eye, I can see a bit lower resolution, but not as low as the Quest 2 resolution. (This on an i9 9900k and RTX 2080Ti). Comparing both of the them SBS, the wireless adapter clearly wins in terms of quality and performance (and actually being able to change the battery). However a lot of people don't care or have the same high standards ^_^ (Just The Wireless Adapter is as expensive as a Quest 2 after all, but you can clearly see the benefits). The only negative I have is that it requires a PCI card so on my Desktop Replacement Laptop I can't use it :( at least not with another external PCI to Thunderbolt enclosure which is bigger than the whole Laptop....)

@@Helifax19 Were you perhaps running low bitrate on the Quest 2? I usually run 100Mbps h.265 and while the image is a bit softer than my Index, I can't really see blocking, but before I upgraded my AP, when I had to run at 30 Mbps, there was very visible blocking. As far as Link goes, something's definitely off about the image and it does block for a second when the scene changes completely (e.g. going from menu to game), but other than that, it's not blocky either. But to be fair, unlike Virtual Desktop, I haven't spent any time tweaking it, so maybe it could be improved.

@@hellterminator I tried everything from 150Mbps to 300Mbps and auto now with the v28 software. It was always adding a lot of GPU overhead to do the encoding which resulted in best case scenario with macroblocks, worst case scenario with frame stuttering longer than 1 second.. v29 seems to have improved this greatly though! (I just checked! So perhaps they did more tweaks there for the 120Hz mode ?! )

@@hellterminator i went back to my og vive for a little bit and the blacks werent a reason to stay.... reading the contents of a pill bottle in alyx is worth the loss in blacks for me. also the zero screen door is probably better then the almost no screen door with the pro ?

Aged like fine milk

@@theeclipsemaster agreed ^^

@@theeclipsemaster how come?

@@GrimAbstract no new news or device. Only leaks

@@theeclipsemaster ohhh okay, my bad! I was looking at buying my first time vr, would really like a new steam index or vive pro 😂

You have plenty of life in G2 left mate. Wait until a truly worthy upgrade brings something new and interesting to the table. Not just a new display and lenses []-)

same waiting for my preorder. Upgrading from my original Vive.

oh man, such a mind-blowing experience is waiting for you, enjoy it

@@vodkamune Go watch voodoo review it has REALLY bad fov like really bad

You’re wasting your money but ok

@@Simlife101 FOV is excellent. Its 116 (index 108) / 94 (index 100) with VR cover pads.

I see, you clearly are a man of culture! /)

You could sell both and use the Vive pro 2

@@x32i77 yeah but why? its not like the vive pro 2 is very good especially when its supposed to be next gen. Even if the display is nice its held back by the god awful mic and controllers

@@hehrgevghdjrhb8663 the Vive pro is currently the best allrounder out of all VR hmds

You're not wrong. Wouldn't be surprised if they diy'ed a gaming headphone mic inside it

the rez is the only benefit. everything else is miles worse not worth it at all

Same

I've had the Odyssey +. Sold it and got the Vive Pro. It was not a easy decision but 2 or so years later, I've decided to go back to it. I'm tired of and really haven't a need for the base station's limitations - that is being confined to one small room which ultimately keeps me from using it but a small amount of time when I can steal that. I have no issues with the VPro but not using it becomes the deal breaker.

I’ve personally had the opposite effect with the rift s seeming a lot worse than the quest 2. It’s interesting you had a different experience. Were you using the quest 2 connected to the pc or stand alone?

So far i could hear the mic is "ok", the position of the mic is the main issue, that generates the pop sounds. When you look on other headsets where the mic is build in and than compare it to the vive position it is pretty clear what the problem is.

Not gonna stop me playing beat saber. All social games are full of pre-puberty so I have no interest.

@@MintRobin That's why you should search for a small community, so you can play with them instead of random public users, who this days often are a problem in online games, not only VR.

@@blizado3675 Possible but I did like meeting completely random people just for the 1 day

He said only that it is smaller but VoodooDe also measured it and sad part, it has only 92/96 Degree while Index has 114/104 Degree.

@@Der_Joghurt_Ohne_Ecke MRTV measured it too, 114° horizontal. Especially on the horizontal FoV you shouldn't hear too much on VoodooDE, he had also 78° FoV on the G2, where near all other had 90+°. He has a head that is not really near the average, he self call it Alien head, but it seams he already forget what with the G2 was and make the same mistake again...

@@blizado3675 Well, Virtual Reality Oasis even said that vertical the Fov is smaller but horizontal slightly larger. So i Guess he Compared it to the Vive Pro 1. In that Case it would not be a Fov Upgrade.

@@blizado3675 while his headshape might be weird, he still measured it being quite high on the index in comparison. Really interested in how other reviewers compare it to the Index but Oasis sadly only compared it to the previous Pro I think.

Hell yeah. Wireless is great. Ill wait to see what oculus brings us next year.

Right! They are improving the Quest so rapidly I don’t think anyone else can keep up! We’ll see what Play Station brings to the table but at this point I’m not holding my breath on it

Every time I see something about a new VR headset I'm left scratching my head. 3 times of the price of a Q2 and you have to use wires.

@@4879daniel Have you used a good Wired PCVR headset before? It's a far better experience.

@@vtidsvr4674 I've used a valve index and while I do find it better in some ways, the experince isn't better enough to justify an upgrade IMO

I second that. I really want some data on this issue, it's my turning point to choose between the Index and the Pro 2.

@@minecrafter0505 Index all the way. Was ready to sell mine and had this on preorder, but now I'm glad I didn't sell it.

I heard on ThrillSeeker that Valve is likely working on an "Index 2" of sorts. I'd wait a while.

I saw these rumors, too. But they're based on patents which are no indication of actual products being available soon, or ever. Just that they thought of this kind of tech. I've waited months to finally be able to afford an index and then a few months more for the Vive announcement. Kinda tired of waiting...

How do I cancel? Thanks

@@johnspanos3862 mine was with eBuyer UK. Just logged in and clicked cancel. Not sure through Vive directly

Thank you Chris! I appreciate the feedback mate []-)

I consider Quest 2 a pcvr headset that has wireless and standalone built in. Huge innovations at a huge bargain.

@@hussain-x I bought a quest 2 and returned it for a refund the next day. dont get all the fuss its like looking through binoculars after the g2 with gasket mod. Mods will come out for vive pro 2 and its a massive step up compared to 1 just g2 beat them to it

@@markharrison9140 Mostly the fuss is that its wireless, can function as a game system all on its own for people who can't get new hardware, and most important of all, its affordable. Pay 399, and you can play right away with no extra fees (other then, obviously, buying games). There are a lot of compromises involved in getting it cheap yet able to function without being plugged into a pc, of course. But if you don't have a lot of money, yet still want good enough vr, the quest 2 is the best option.

Pimax 8KX ????? I promise you you would love it if you could try it. Its the best and dont let ppl tell you that 75hz is not enough. It is! And now they re adding 90hz so you can compare. :)

@@markharrison9140 Wireless PCVR, hand tracking without controllers, 120 Hz display, all for $300. You can get lots of aftermarket accessories for Quest 2 to make it better. As for Facebook account requirement, I only needed it to set up the headset and deleted the Oculus app afterwards without any issues, so that "issue" has been blown out of proportions IMO. Really the best VR headset that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Same here, got Quest 2 as my first VR headset and been enjoying it

@Joe Momma It has more features than headsets more than twice the price. by far the best headset considering the price.

I enjoy my quest 2 but it would've been nice if it had a display port connection. Even with a 2070 super, i get stutter and frame drops in alot of games and only can play at the default resolution.

When a $0.30 microphone just doesnt cut it in an 800 dollar headset.

@@CorporateZombi Haha right??? 🤣

G2 has really small fov, I wouldnt buy it

What would ya get?

@@shortbuspimp quest 2

@@djhey123 Not even comparable when it comes to FOV and resolution.

Especially the fact that they still are using vive wands. Those remotes are top heavy, uncomfortable, and barely usable in games after you’ve tried index controllers

@@shortbuspimp Valve index

oh yeah

FB doesn't car about PC VR ..they are all about Mobile VR Crap now...

@@uxot yep so get ready to paid 600-1400 for a headset

Right I've tried most other popular headsets and nothing compares to the Quest 2 still, being able to just go anywhere and not require a PC to play VR is the biggest thing. And at the price point, tbh most companies just don't compete with it.

I personally don't like Facebook tech, but isn't the Q2 better than the index in literally every standard spec other than fov? Why would you pay more for an index (other than the feel of high quality materials etc)

@@MintRobin Yeah mostly better but I do want the higher fov and refresh rate. Why can't there be a product that combines these (at a resonable cost, of course)!

@@twang5446 the index only has slightly higher refresh rate (144hz compared to 120Hz)

Thanks. 👍

Laughs in imac

And the 2070 is for business,I think it's for shure not for Games.

@Abdul Binafif yes, but the requirements are for business cases and certainly not for gaming.

@Abdul Binafif Same. I wanted to upgrade it bc it was not even enough for better games with my CV1. It is currently dying bc im using the quest 2 now.

same with quest 2

It adds credibility to the review, and then the company knows if they can get a good review from them people will flock to their product. I think an honest reviewer is a good thing. Also his review kinda says I should buy the pro 2 because I fell very neatly into that category, so he hasn't pushed me away from it at all.

Not sad at all. Quest 2 is amazing for the price.

@Joe R why 2?

@@Jinx-rj7kx if like me, multiplayer with friends and family members. The bomb.

@@Art-Sin very true, i meant sad in the sense that a standalone headset is way better value than a dedicated PC headset

Facebook are subsidising their headset, as far as I know. They put a lot of money into it and there you are the product.

@@bot-uz9phbut what if you do have a pc

@@realpoorman3154 Quest 2 is great as a PC headset, especially when used wirelessly.

@@Dreadpirateflappy yeah Ik I was just asking the person I was replying to a question

It can be wireless tho?