Because they can charge that much and people will still buy them. Thats why. Come on, I love watches and the history. But can people stop saying "Its worth 20,000 because of the history behind it, they made watches what they are today". Ok so should we spend 20,000 on computers made by apple because "They made it what it is today". They charge it, because people pay it. Nothing else, if everyone stopped buying them they would go down in price. Why do you think watches are now more expensive than they have ever been, because people pay the high prices so they just keep going up. And thats fine, but don't pretend its for any other reason.
There is more and more added value though. Watches are more complex and advanced than they've ever been too. In fact that added value is intentionally over the top, with finish that you won't notice without a microscope. That being said, yeah, that's the point of luxury, it's to buy useless things to show that you have the money.
100% agree. People are duped into thinking that there is more parts and R&D innsomething like this, when there are many household items which have more. Compare the r&d and parts cost to a 20k car.. Its not even comparable. Watches are just a massive profit trick. However I appreciate what FPJ do. But many many other brands not at all. I cant justify paying 5k+ for a basic auto steel watch.
@@prozeza Agreed! Actually if you look at the close ups of the motion detector, the top left hand front side of the case, back right hand side of the case, the close ups of the movement... as well as the writing on the battery cover, there are assembly marks, specs of dust and poor finishing to areas of the guilloche. Beautiful design but £10k for a quartz I just don't get it!
@@Bounce625 Could be one of several possibilities: 1) Mates having a conversation about a watch they have just been shown. 2) Watch snobs. 3) Lunatics discussing an overpriced quartz watch. 4) Middle aged moaning old men. The list is endless, it just depends on how you want to look at it!
@@Watch-Crazy horrible state of affairs if you guys are complaining finishing on a second hand shaft on a watch. Really, get a grip. Come back to reality.
My Casio LCW-M170DB-1AER employes a similar trick. It's a solar powered watch, and when it spends some time in the dark it progressively turns itself off. First it stops the second hand, then the hour and minute hands after some time, while still keeping the time internally. It all springs back to life after a few moments in the light, it's a nice spectacle seeing the second hand racing to it's current position whenever i pull it out of the drawer.
Dan Rockell same... and it works great. It keeps time down to the second after months of non use. I was hoping fp journe was competing with spring drive. Kind of disappointed.
Yes, and so does my Seiko Premier Kinetic Perpetual which is about 15 years old and can also go into hibernation, has a perpetual calendar and can charge the battery via a rotating mass. I have no doubt this Journe is infinitely more collectable though!
Nothing of a surprise for me! Whatever the europeans call their solution has already been with the GREAT ASIANS long time before and much more cheaper. Making something cheap is not at all easy I mean mass production of a new invention and making it available to the public is all why is something invented. That is what the ASIANS do best rather than copying like others.
Is it me or the watch has so many small imperfections... The 5 in 25 has a paint smudge 5:00. The "E" and "M" look terrible compared to the other letters 6:09 . The pin head on the second hand looks rough 5:00. I know all these are under macro lens but at this price point.... Also there is a ding on the case at 10 o'clock 3:21 and looks like a couple ot scratches on the case back near the heart 6:16. Isn't this a watch new? 8 year power for a quartz in rotation tho...that's incredibly impressive. Love the videos. Thank you for sharing!!
Brinx did u use the chronograph often? my dad pretty much never used the chronograph, which might be why it lasted so long. the only time he even touches the crown is to adjust the date every 2 months.
Guys I've got the same and changed the batterie once since I bought it in 2008. I don't wear it on stainless steel bracelet anymore I prefer a nice leather strap which is more classy
Citizen did this years ago. Put the watch away and it stops, bring it out into the light and it starts ticking again. Preserving the battery and not losing time. Of course with any quartz watch you can simply pull the crown out to preserve the battery when not wearing it then set the time again when putting it on, no different than setting the time on a mechanical watch after not wearing it for a few days.
I'm sorry I didn't hear a word you said. I couldn't stop staring at the '2' at the twelve position. It looks like the wrong weight, size and angle compared to the '1' It bugged me for the whole video. 😲
So when the Swiss do something with Quartz it's celebrated but when the Japanese do something its largely ignored and considered cheap. Why does the industry do this? Is it racism or resentment? Seiko has Solar, Kinetic and Spring Drive (all seemingly superior to this ) yet the industry doesn't give these huge praise besides Seiko fans. That being said love Watchfinder, best narrator out there, he could talk tax law and I'd subscribe.
The effort by the Swiss to brainwash the world into thinking "Swiss, mechanical = quality, expensive, highly skilled production" while "Japanese, Quartz = tacky, cheap, low tech junk" is nothing short of a marvel It is my opinion that it is one of the most successful marketing communications campaign of all time, and it should be a case study for all marcomm students And yes, the answer to your question is low-key racism; those yellow skinned rice farmers will never be able to do anything better than a white man, it is impossible because it is just a law of nature
This is what we called, Swiss Snobs. To them, anything non-swiss = unreliable, inaccurate, cheaply made, low pedigree. COSC is overrated. My miyota 9039 gives +2 sec after regulation "Swiss made"? More like assembled at Swiss, but the parts are mostly from China and various Asian countries. Cheaply made? Come on, a cheapo swatch can sell hundreds and you guys praise it, while a cheap japanese watch which is way better than a swatch gets nothing. Low pedigree? Except for the kinds of Pateks and ALS, majority of the Swiss makes are wiped out by your so called "low pedigree" Seiko, Citizen, and Casio. Dead pedigree is worse than any pedigree.
they're getting their revenge now, there's only a few japanese luxury watch makers.... i think the swiss watch industry is still sore they got their asses beat, hard
Yes clearly racism that a watchmaker known for handmade solid gold movements makes a completely out of left field ultra high end watch powered by quartz and is the subject of a watchfinder video for it while seiko, still largely known for $100 5s with unregulated movements and mass machine produced quartz watches doesn't get put on the same pedestal for doing what they've always done. Clearly if Van Gogh deviated to making sculptures of disproportionate rubinesque people it would be racist to explor that exploration of unfamiliar territory when Botero had been known for that same style. Or you could just look up the videos watchfinder has produced praising seiko's spring drive all the same. But racism is the obvious choice, since no one today acknowledges the design and manufacturing brilliance of the Japanese, right? I mean it's not like Toyota eats Chevy's lunch or anything 🤔
As someone that truly enjoys history; I really enjoy hearing and learning from an unbias point of view. The respect you have for the underrated prowess of the Japanese has always made me appreciate your work more and more.
There's actually a lot to be admired about a good hybrid quartz setup. The watch that got me into watch collecting a decade ago wasn't a Mechanical watch like most but rather a Seiko Kinetic. That Kinetic technology is incredible. No batteries instead a capacitor and a tiny dynamo (rotor) that's suspended with magnetic levitation thus friction free which allows it to spin at a ridiculous 100,000RPM. It also had a Perpetual Calendar and a 4 year Power Saving mode, which is also insane. Plus I got it for $300AUD online from America instead of $1600AUD in all the Jeweller/Watch stores. Kinetic, 100m WR, Chronograph, Perpetual Calendar, Black Ion that still hasn't worn with gold accents on the Dial allowing it to be worn as casual, sports or business. Crazy value.
I like my yellow plastic 22 euro casio as much as my 2000 euro U-BOAT. I don't wear watches to get attention but I get the same amount of attention wearing either of them. Frankly - the casio is the "better" watch in the sense that it is better at keeping time and doesn't have to be winded :)
Buying a $100,000 watch is the same as buying a Ferrari or a yacht, cause you can. A Mille is an ugly, loud watch but it lets those with submariners and royal oaks know that you are in a different league. Billionaires need exclusivity.
Durka durka durka service every 3 years durka durka you'll ruin the watch durka durhhhhh follow the manufacturers recommend durka service intervals durka durka you wouldn't not change your cars durka oil for 40 years durka durhhhhhh
When I was a kid, around 1995, my first watch was a Titan (the Indian brand owned by TATA) Exacta quartz costing then about USD 9. In the 25 years since, it needed a battery change just 3 times and still runs perfectly (it loses about 30 seconds a year). I know this is hard to believe, but there it is.
being a *Proud* owner of a few Titans and HMTs I can say that these are very beautiful, reliable and robust watches. two watch brands which brought affordable timepieces to the common man of India. truly the people's watch brands. owing them is nothing less than *Pride* in itself
F. P. Journe may be a horological genius (and all available evidence seems to support this view). But I find it funny how one can find so many commentators, both here on RU-vid as well as on numerous other watch forums, who all seem to share a common trend for using a multiplicity of polite-sounding euphemisms to avoid describing the man himself as basically a bit of an a..hole! "A very hard man to please" "so particular in his day to day life" 😆😆😆😆
Another wonderful video. Thank you, guys. I'm going out on a limb here, but willing to wager that you cannot get an F.P. Journe battery swap at Watches R Us for $10.00.
I’m happy to see high horology houses approach quartz engines in their watches with the same attention they do traditional mechanical engines... if you can’t appreciate the genius service a quartz crystal plays in modern time keeping you’re just a snob.. also I have 2 beautiful Seiko premier perpetual calendars on bracelets that do this exact same power save feature, and it is a wonder to see the time adjust itself, date and all, to the very second when the watch’s kinetic movement is shaken out of sleep mode.
The Notorious. K.I.D I think writing off anyone who doesn’t like quartz as a snob is a bit unfair. I am a watchmaker myself and hopefully I can offer you my insight on how I’ve formed my opinion on quartz. First of all: in the vast majority of quartz watches there is no genius quality like you say as opposed to mechanical watches. There really isn’t. The movements need to be serviced more often, parts need to be replaced more often and the general lifespan of these movements is usually just far shorter. That said I still think the *functionality* of quartz is quite genius. It is very accurate and in general much less vulnerable (funny enough not in all cases). Those are in general the most important things for people and there is nothing wrong with that. That said, the reasons I don’t like quartz for myself are mainly the fact that as a watchmaker, there is no craftsmanship in these watches since movements are often completely made in a factory automated process, and completely replaced when they come in for service since that’s literally cheaper then spending the time to service a movement. The other reason why I don’t like quartz is that there are some fundamental characteristics of the movement that irritate me. A good example of this is that the second hand of a quartz watch will never strike perfectly on all 60 indexes because of several factors. I say this because to me, watchmaking is largely about the pursuit of perfection. This just simply is less important in the quartz industry where cost efficiency and accuracy are the name of the game. (Sorry for the lengthy reaction. This topic is just one I can get especially passionate about 😉)
@@tusmaniandevilA watchmaker you say? You're either extremely ignorant or a liar. "in the vast majority of quartz watches there is no genius quality like you say as opposed to mechanical watches. There really isn’t. The movements need to be serviced more often, parts need to be replaced more often and the general lifespan of these movements is usually just far shorter. " A decent quality Japanese/Swiss quartz movement that you find in a basic $50 watch will run for decades with no servicing, besides battery changes, whilst retaining its accuracy and durability. No mechanical movement can do that. Many 1970s quartz watches are still running today without any issues. "A good example of this is that the second hand of a quartz watch will never strike perfectly on all 60 indexes because of several factors." Many quartz movements do reliably hit the indices with the second hand. Examples include the Grand Seiko 9F, Longines VHP, Casio Oceanus lineups to name but a few. Even many sub $100 Casio and Citizen models achieve this as well. I don't understand how any real watchmaker is not aware of these basic facts. Only thing keeping the Swiss mechanical watch industry alive today is effective marketing They've convinced some people that mass produced mechanical movements on an assembly line are somehow works of art. The Swiss called it the 'Quartz Crisis', but it truly was the 'Quartz Revolution.'
People who think this extremely overpriced pretentious watch is the pinnacle of quartz watch technology..... Definitely haven't heard of Seiko Kinetic perpetual.
You should do a video on the Seiko kinetic auto relay 5J22 0A50, that does all that and more, keeping precise time, and with a beautiful integrated bracelet. Keep up with the great videos!
Seiko always cuts corners and can't keep proper time. Seiko kinetic can't hibernate for 4 years. You have been bluffed. I am an owner if Seiko kinetic too. I know.
@@JLchevz Yeah, makes FP Journe look like shit. They should be using a +/- 1 second per year high accuracy thermocompensated movement with a 10 year battery life and perpetual calendar considering the astronomical price. I'd also expect the second hand to hit every index, Casio can do it for $50.
But Seiko has a kinetic drive movt. that pretty much does the same thing. btw no offense to FPJ, but spring drive, again Seiko, is the best 'Quartz' based movement.
No disrespect to Journe, but 16K for a quartz watch. Accurate time keeping via quartz would be a beater watch, not a Journe watch. It's like dressing up a Taxi with Maclaren . Hurricane exteriors and interiors. I'll pick a Toyota .
I'll just hold on to my Citizen Eco Drive thank you very much. Its been 9 years now and I never had to consider a battery replacement.; and possibly wouldn't for another 9 years more...all for a fraction of the price of this F P Quartz.
A great, easy to wear, unique offering from FPJ . Very light , extremely comfortable, durable, titanium case with extra hardened grey Titalyt coating. Water resistant to 30m- safe to swim in. Certainly a place for a high end unique quartz piece in any collection. Plus no need for a winder. This watch is very tough to find new (or even pre owned) and wait lists are common. This is, in no way, a regular quartz watch. The 10-18 year life for the battery is unrivaled. Folks comparing this to a casio shouldn't waste their time watching these great videos. Gotta love these Watchfinder videos !
“A lot a bit of bad blood” hmm. I enjoyed the video as always & I have nothing against quartz but I cannot get my head around the price of this baron timepiece that doesn’t even tick or tock.
Thanks RU-vid for suggesting I rewatch this in 2023. This watch now trades for $40 - 50,000. Yet another watch I could have purchased before the pandemic that could now contribute to my retirement.
The movement and "motion detector" is not special at all.. It's also "only" 10k for a watch from a brand that has a very big name in the scene. It suprises me that you don't mention that a lot of the cost goes into the finishing of the dial, case & bracelet/strap... and the other 9k you pay for the name on the dial. :)
Ralph to be fair it took Journe 8 years to design this watch. The 9K is what you are paying him to invest him time, dedication and creativity with the rest of his team to bring this to the revision he is on now. You need to think in a way how people invest in Kickstarter to get this concept off the ground. If it wasn’t for the 9K we could not have got such an original watch in production. I would be happy to pay this sum. In fact I will put in an order this weekend for it and sit on the waiting list. In short could I pay you 1k to get a watch better than this? I doubt it. Don’t knock it unless you can do better and understand the pain he had to go through to get this out. He could easily did another Chrono piece earning 5-10 times this amount but he chose to do this. We need to encourage and give credit to those who invent and make it come to life especially if you are a true horology fan.
1:55 "it's not a watch you buy, its a legacy" No, it's a watch. And a quartz one on top. The "legacy" of the concern doesnt justify prices that high, especially when it's got a quartz movement which are also used in 100€ Casios. That's like apple telling us paying 100.000$ for a computer which is worth 100$ is justified because of apples legacy. It's not. You can make prices higher than the actual value, but not that high.
The more I look at this watch the more appealing it is. Journe thought process is perfection. The reason he put the motion detector over the 4 is 4 is a bad number for Chinese which mean death and to block this number out is like saying wear this for long life. He is a genius!
Wow, seiko kinetic and solar would now be considered high horology. Ya, why not? The only thing they have to do is to increase the £1000 so that it's not CHEAP.
All of that and all it does is stop moving the hands when you stop moving the watch? Wooow. Solar power watches and especially Seiko's spring drive are more impressive in that they don't need a button cell battery.
it then sets itself to the exact minute, second and hour when you move it after few days. You dont bother about setting the right time again. Sort of like how phones and computers remember the time even when theyre switched off and even when you switch the sync with time zones off. Theres a chip that does it .
@@liamberkelaar8496 As a millennial who has sworn off of battery powered watches (since they always seemed to be dead when I needed them most), I can tell you that you are flat out wrong. Also, mechanical watches are far more sustainable than quartz watches which rely on disposable batteries.
@@liamberkelaar8496 Quartz was the future 50 years ago. Quartz watches are for boomers and gen x, mechanical watches (and cool quartz functionality like this watch and spring drive) are for anyone who appreciates the ingenuity and art that goes into making them.
It looks like they found the second hand pinion on the floor of a counterfeit Casio factory, after it failed quality assurance. It’s a shame because the rest of it I friggin love.
Oh, good. I hoped I wasn't the only one who saw that and figured for BP10,000 I'd expect a bit better attention to detail. (And thanks for educating me that it's called a pinion!)
Grand Seiko, Seiko and Citizen have been leading the way on spring drive, kinetic and solar power for ages, and then these boys come along thing that have invented the wheel 🤣
Scott Hayes pretty much all movements work the same and have the same type of mechanisms. How it that any different than 99% of all mechanical/automatic watches
My brother's Casio was left in a drawer for a decade and not only was it still ticking, but through some amazing fluke it was ridiculously close to perfect time. As in less than 20 seconds off. I have no idea how that happened, but it was impressive.
"Why a man making watches worth tens of thousand might dedicate his time to quartz" And the answer really is, he didn't. He had nothing to do with the movement, maybe he asked to put a little gold heart in there to masquerade the price. You might want to rationalize until the end of times, the reality is the same.
Dont you ever question fp journe's work in recent years That man is a genius Watch the other fp journe's watch videos And also making quartz work for 8 years is godly with those movement sensor
WOW!!! That's incredible. I was starting to see this watch on Instagram, but I NEVER would've guessed it was quartz. What a unique function for motion detection, interesting how it can pick up right where it left off with the correct time. The more you think about it, the more complicated it becomes...
This watch cost 10,000 because they know that some people will pay it. However, that movement isn’t anything special IMO. My Casio Tough Solar does the same thing. If I don’t wear it, LCD display and the hands shut down to conserve battery. It can sit in a drawer like that for almost two years before needing charged again. When I put it on my wrist after a few days, LCD turns on, and the hands move on their own to the current time. This company should leave high end quartz to Grand Seiko and Citizen.
Hahahahahahahaha!!! Inovation?? Where? The snooze function? Someone tell Francois Paul to google "Seiko Kinetic Auto Relay" and say where the inovation is
Really great video. But 80% of this video is not talking about this particular watch or it’s movement. What’s is the history of this movement ? Did JPF collaborated with another company for this movement ? Which company did the Microcircuit for FPJ ? How accurate is it ? Etc etc
How about my simple timex that has a ten year battery life and many casio watches. Sorry but this thing is way overpriced. Citizen and seiko have far more interesting movements out there.
I can appreciate the beauty, craftsmanship and quality of this watch. I admire the commitment to excellence, the insistence on perfection despite the additional difficulty. I want to separate the above comment from my next one because it's subjective, a flat, non-argumentative statement about how I feel about this watch, this specific F.P. Journe, and I didn't want to seem to be taking anything away from that. It's a pretty, carefully considered, really well-made watch by people who truly care about watches and watchmaking (and damn the torpedoes). Okay, that all said, my next comment should be a little more objective... A completely lit watch face is a great idea. Period. The fact that the feature is available in $20-30 watches shouldn't be used to imply a high horology watchmaker is somehow "slumming" when it incorporates this feature (now, I could be wrong, but that's how I took the comment about Journe's use here as evidence of his sense of humour; again, perhaps I misunderstood or I'm being picky--if so, my apologies). I think some of the perceived snobbiness about high-end watches could be alleviated by eschewing unnecessary "us vs them" elitism. The way I look at it, the Rolexes, the Pateks, the Vacheron Constantins, the Journes, etc., are already differentiated enough from the mass market mainstream by their exquisite quality, their superb craftsmanship, their luxurious materials, their historical pedigree and, of course, their price tags. I don't think they need any help maintaining their deserved exalted status...To me, they seem fairly secure atop their pedestals. But fair's fair: when cheaper brands do something worth celebrating, they too deserve my respect. And when that something is adopted by higher end brands, if that can't be acknowledged, at least we can respect it enough to not belittle the accomplishment with an off-the-cuff joke. I know this sounds hyper-sensitive, but I just want to put some emphasis a very tiny but important point that sometimes gets lost. Journe didn't use the Indiglo-style backlight as some kind sly in-joke that only watch sophisticates will get, anymore than their use of quartz tech is some campy nod to the cheap seats. Like I said, fair is fair...You can't say out of one side of your mouth that one part of the watch's concept is cool because it takes inexpensive tech and ratchets it up several notches but out of the other side you derogate another tech used by cheaper. P.S. - Just for the record, this is my favourite YT channel. Its great.
But does the second hand accurately hit the indices?...Unimpressed with the see-through case back on a quartz watch! This watch is way, way, down on my list of £10,000 must have watches.
So utterly pointless to cut an ugly little hole in the dial to display the crude motion sensor, and spoil an otherwise attractive design. But then Mr FPJ just had to show how clever he is (not really). As has been pointed out in other comments there are dozens if not hundreds of quartz watches which do this and do it better, including Seiko with their Kinetic self-winding perpetual calendars that still turn over once a day even in sleep mode. FPJ must be the most overhyped watchmaker of the moment, and the best that can be said about this piece is that (hole excepted) it's possibly his least ugly design.
@Adam thanks for the un-argued ad- hominem in your profoundly stupid response. OK, your turn to say something pointless. Let's see how many people like and agree with your comment.
Pure genius indeed... But I will make a reference to one of your past videos were quartz is compared to mechanical and you closed the video with the following sentence "yes, quartz is better than mechanical, we just don't care". Thank you for the insight on this beautiful piece.
The howl of a 6 cylinder F1 engine at 19,000 rpm or the hum of a 12 pole brushless DC motor? Applying meticulous attention and ingenuity to either form results in art. I'd like to understand the snooze mechanism in that watch. And then there's Spring Drive..
After hearing all that talk about how F.P. Journe has seemingly overcome the downsides of a Quarz-watch (effectively the watch simply stops ticking when not being moved. There is no Kinetic-Energy-usage whatsoever and it only extends the battery lifetime) how does this compete to a Grand Seiko? A watch that truely overcomes the downsides of both mechanical and quarz movements and substracts only the benefits of both worlds. The amount of work being put into a GS compared to this Quarz cheapo with an energy saving function is insane - I really don't get the selling point.
Some people ask me about why I wear a watch when a phone is available, why bother fixing the time on my watch, when the atomic cloud is more accurate, why I spend as much money as I do on my hobby. Sometimes, it's difficult to justify why I do all these things. But then a video like this comes along and leaves me feeling inspired about the journey mankind has taken through horology and history. If someone doesn't 'get' watches, all they have to do is watch a video from this channel.
