Why Don’t Pros Throw Short Pin Reactive Balls? | Ballsplanations Ep.8 

Agreed. Another thing would be to include a symmetric ball with a 2” pin as that would be interesting to see, and if Mikey really wanted to go the extra mile, have a 2” pin high diff sym (something like a P2 or Optimum) and a 2” pin low diff sym (IQ Tour).

I had this thought as well. Does "lower" rev rate mean lower than tour standards, or lower than house league standards?

It’s more about flare. A ball that flares won’t carry as much oil downlane compared to one that doesn’t flare, regardless of reactive or urethane. Oil will just sit on the cover of urethane a lot longer than reactive

It certainly is, don’t know what to tell you🤷🏼‍♂️

flare also just depends on how you release it

Yes they can. Just using my favorite urethane ball for example. And also the most popular urethanes currently don’t flare so it seemed a good choice for comparison for the majority

Will go very straight through the front part of the lane, and given enough friction, will hook quite a bit downlane due to energy retention. So basically the opposite of the short pin

Sure! That was mentioned briefly in the video as well!

​@@tvbowlingsupplymy wife has a lower rev rate. I sit around 480-485. I stay away from shorter pins mainly. Willing to try them though

It won’t be as progressive of a hook phase than the urethane combination of cover and low flare. The short pin will want to go much straighter down the lane, especially while giving it angle

@tvbowlingsupply ah so it'll use more it energy trying to create the same shape and have nothing left for the backend?

@@airammitchell682 it has seemed that way with my testing!

@@tvbowlingsupply thanks for the insight

Maybe a short pin on a weaker core might help with that, like a symmetric

True. Was just referencing this specific case where my fast pitch doesn’t flare

It's still nothing like urthane.

First off, Magic Gem isn’t a pearl. Second, I took one of the earliest hooking balls on the market to compare because urethane are the earliest hooking balls on the market. Why would I use a weaker cover mid/low range ball that would get further down the lane to mimic urethane reaction?

@@tvbowlingsupply Either way. Urethane might be the earliest hooking but far from the strongest overall. The main reason for such an early hook is because of the surface being so rough. How often do you guys use urethane at 4000 grit? Most reactives now have softer covers than urethane under the new rules. A reactive ball with a 74 hardness at 500 grit should read as fast as a urethane at 78 hardness. Wonder what the IQ 78U would look like at 4000 surface which is a stock IQ Tour Solid. If you took an X-Ray or Xponent and matched the surface of a urethane (typically 500-1000); you could make that cover read the first 20-30 feet in a similar fashion. That Magic Gem will run circles upon circles around a urethane. The whole idea behind a short pin is to get the ball to emulate a urethane. If you are more speed dominate you could even go Phaze 2 with a short pin. Next time try this comparison. Go with an IQ 78U and an X-Ray with a short pin and take the surface to 500-1000 and throw them side by side. Be willing to bet they are closer than you would think. X-Ray may still be a touch cleaner but the overall look will be pretty close.

@@vance836 feel free to make a video and show us! But I respectfully disagree with the fact you say urethane isn’t the earliest hooking coverstock there is.

​@@vance836They might look somewhat similiar on a house shot.On the other hand, flatter patterns will really show that no matter what layout and surface you have on a reactive, it is still going to do reactive things.

Couple of scheduling conflicts these past two weeks but we’ll be back next week!

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Pretty sure Ryan Ciminelli won with a short pin ball

Interesting perspective on layouts controlling exiti g the pattern. Ben so much debate on this topic lately. As a rookie bowler, I haven't used either a Urethane of a short pin layout.

Lol nice try

We have! It was mentioned that they can be very useful for lower ball speed players