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@@morganjones7741 thats your non factual opinion. the league tables show otherwise-they have only been establsihed since the start of the season. they had no club for 3 seasons
Yes I agree MK Dons will always be the most hated club. Unfortunately for them their founding was wrong. Nothing wrong with Salfords or the class of 92's actions in my eyes.
@@dylantaylor9495 most football clubs in Europe which have shot up the leagues in recent times have done so through massive investment by their owners, few clubs can pull a Luton
@@dylantaylor9495 What about Sutton, Barrow, Harrogate, Forest Green, Morecambe and others? Have any of them become league clubs without being bankrolled and just through hard work? Is the Salford hate really just hating the Neville Brothers, Giggs and Beckham?
I really don't understand the hate for MK Dons. They have a cool stadium and they're doing OK in the football pyramid without threatening to be world beaters. Harmless enough.
Forgetting Salford City the most surprising stat mentioned here was Stockport County averaging 9000 a week. You've got to be impressed that a club thats average attendance was around 7000 in the 2nd tier a little over 20 years is averaging 9000 in the fourth tier now. Don't know how they've done it but huge respect, they certainly do know how to run a club.
Stockport have done more than salford ever have. ( I'm a salford fan ). Stockport fans are dedicated to the club due to the more success they have had than salford
Big place Stockport tbf though. Well over 250k people in the whole borough, not much smaller than Bolton really. Still impressive but there’s a lot of people in the town in general 👍🏼
For me changing the teams colours from orange to red does indicate that it's a vanity project for the class of 92 but what they spend their money on is their business and it does show their love of the game lives on.
It's ironic too how Gary Neville cried on Sky Sports about owners not respecting the history of clubs by wanting to change the names and colours of teams...
62 away supporters for Salford at my club last year, less than two hours away, on a Saturday afternoon. There simply isn’t the support base for Salford and never will be, so the bubble will burst one day.
Same here in Germany: The day I became a member of my football club, got tattoos of it, was the day, when 1860 Munich was relegated from second Bundesliga to lower league in 2017. Our loyalty and love to the Munich Lions broke into space and we went with 15.000 lads to some away days in this season.
I continue to watch these excellent little documentaries with excellent storytelling, despite never really been a huge football fan. You are a bloody amazing content creator, tv execs should really take note, quality like this is why I don't often switch to live tv. 👍🏻❤️
I live in Australia and don't even support football over here - for some reason I can't get enough of this channel. Its brilliant. Great little bites of life that I love seeing, even if it has very little to do with me.
Us poms are very passionate about our football teams, like it's another religion and we bleed our teams colours when we win or lose. If we imergrate we still follow and support our team it's in our DNA. I now call Perth Western Australia home but still stay up Saturday night/ early Sunday morning following the Gills. ❤
@@GOTHICforLIFE1 I was just going to say there's no point offering her a job if they insist on her acting and behaving the same way as their other presenters, commentators, pitch side reporters etc etc.
Most hated is a big stretch. MK Dons aka Franchise FC are easily the most hated. Salford earned their place by winning games. Some people may dislike the financial aspect of the club, but I have never heard anyone say they dislike Salford.
Really a shame how mk came to exist they could have done the same as Salford as I believe there already was a club in existence in about the 8th tier at the time got a lot of conflicted views on it with it being my local
As one of the 140 who used to turn up before the money was put in I’ve got nothing to lose. If it all goes to pot there will still be a Salford City in one form or another… and I’ll probably be able to take my dog. Credit to the owners for doing so much off the pitch with their efforts in the Salford community. This is Salford. Not the most affluent place the UK and we have our problems. But seeing a younger generation of fans getting together and supporting their local team is great to see. As for the ground, it’s blocked in by a school and houses on three sides and a protected moor on the other. Lack of parking and room to grow means that if the club is anymore successful it is likely that relocation will be necessary. So I’ll continue to buy a season ticket (£100 renewal for over 60’s 23/24 season). Even if the Class of ‘92 pull out I’ll thank them for the ride. It’s been great so far.
In 2014 I saw Salford lose to Harrogate Railway in the Northern Premier Division One. Now I watch them lose to Harrogate Town in league Two. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Tbf, Harrogate are actually a decent side and have exceeded expectations in League 2 this season with their style of play. Which is more than can be said about Salford... 👀
Don't have an issue with Salford CIty. It's been 10 years and the class of 92 are still there. Most people with a vanity project would've got bored by now and would likely have given up. Leaving at best a club with no debts, or if they really stopped caring, would leave the club in financial ruin. I hope Salford get some more local support. It sounds like they deserve to.
I don't think we can talk about others giving up by now just yet, only because Salford have enjoyed nothing but success so far, and as long as they do so I don't see anyone giving up on them, regardless of how long they are there for. We have to wait until an extended period of stagnation (which could be argued we are getting into now) or a setback like their first relegation. Only then will we see how much staying power these guys have.
I think the problem is that the Salford owners are willing and able to sustain big losses to fulfill their ambitions. This creates the situation that the other clubs need to spend big to compete, which then necessitates the need for an independent regulator
I personally have nothing at all against Salford City, it's owners, Club or fans, At the end of the day the Class of 92, saw an opportunity to invest in a Local Football Club and back it as a Business. So long as they abide by the same rules as the Rest of the League then.......Carry On. The Club Stays viable. The fans Can Support Their Club, Everyone's Happy!! Great Video Nieve, Keep Up The Great Work😄
I guess that Salford are trying to do in 15 years what most other clubs around them have been trying (and, most often failing) to do for maybe 100 years. To go from the 8th tier with 140 fans to the pro game with 2,500 fans in a decade is still pretty impressive. I guess that fans of other clubs are miffed that they are somehow 'buying success', when the reality is that the owners are putting the building blocks in place for success to be achieved (new stadium, academy, women's team etc.). Fundamentally, those longer established - 'bigger' clubs just don't like a 'disruptor brand' shaking up the established football landscape. As always a great bit of storytelling nicely executed.
Great video. My own team Leyton Orient were in the National League at the same time as Salford City (2018-19 season), we got promoted to League Two at the same time, Leyton Orient from being champions and Salford through the play-offs. I didn't like them when they beat us 3-0 at Brisbane Road and almost derailed our return to the League, but aside from that I don't mind them, if they had been a West Ham ex-player vanity project then that would have been a different matter...
there are so many football clubs in england that I always thought that if you went into some bushes while walking you'd find a stadium on the other side like in this case lmao
The issue with Salford compared with wrexham is that Ryan and rob have an image a positive image of genuinely engaged with the community, involving themselves in local charities and have a perception of genuinely trying to help a historical club that had been mismanaged with their own money. Salford has no history of past glory and the class of 92 are using the club to relive past glory’s of their past using a foreign businessman billionaire as a backer because they are not prepared to put their money where it counts. They’ve run roughshod over the fans changing the kit and club logo and when they get board will leave the club in a financial mess. Why do you think green and gold is the real grass roots club of Manchester 😊
One of the worst away days I’ve ever had, treated us really poorly. On the flip side, the best ever away day was up the road at FC United who couldn’t do enough for us and were the nicest people.
I’m a Solihull Moors supporter but I’ve also been a fan of Manchester United for over 50 years so have no gripe with the class of 92. On the day of the game it was cold and wet, the announcer kept telling us what wonderful food was available in the home end when all we had was a miserable little kiosk selling soggy burgers. If we asked anyone from Salford for advice or help all we got was a grunt and a wave of the hand. We were just made to feel totally unwelcome and it’s a ground I’d definitely think twice about visiting again. Oh…… and we (deservedly) lost the game.
Wrexham is the biggest city in north wales. It has an independent fan base to draw from whereas everyone that lives in Salford will just support one of the big Manchester clubs.
A lot of people like to say people like Gary Neville don’t care about the lower leagues/ non-league. Now he’s going and putting his money where his mouth is and getting criticism.
I never understood why the Nevilles didn't get involved at Bury. And I think it's a shame they didn't. It's their hometown club and their family had strong links there. Surely they could've pointed Lim, Beckham et al that way. With the money the CO92 have spent on Salford Bury could've been saved and likely be having a decent run in the 2nd tier. Instead they rebranded some tiny non league club that has likely hit it's ceiling already in league 2 with 1000 home fans and a tiny un expandable ground. And a proper club up the road now plays in the NWCFL. A league Salford would be more at home in. I say this as a Dale fan too and I'm not exactly supposed supposed like Bury!
Also Danny Boyle could have afforded to put his hand in his pocket, big film director and Bury fan, Gemma Atkinson apparently loves Bury FC, Guy Garvey, Kieran Trippier, Scott Quigg - maybe they could have put together a consortium? Anyway, they didn't and the fans had to save the club.
Official attendance was 8,049, half of what Boreham Wood and Tranmere got the previous year. Solihull v Grimsby in 2022 got almost 23,000, while Notts v Chesterfield was over 38,000. Torquay v Hartlepool didn't manage 7,000, but that was at Ashton Gate, which is a long way (ie 280 miles) from Hartlepool.
Lived just a 20 minute walk from the ground last year safe to say the ground is well hidden in the city! Great work again will be at the peninsula again soon to see how things shape
I live even closer and it's incredible isn't it? It's not even that the ground is hidden but there's no signs, no sort of major transport links to them, no pubs or anything?
It's such a shame. The class of 92 didn't invest in any of the MANY struggling greater Manchester teams. The state of Oldham, Rochdale and Bury this past decade shows that.
Nevilles dad i think chairman of Bury at one point, so why didnt they buy an existing club like Bury ,instead just playing fantasty football with a made up club.
I think its great what they have done for the club. I visited salford city before the class of 92 as an away fan supporting Leigh genesis , its hard to believe thats the same ground i went to back in 2009, looks like a nice little ground now. Wish somebody would have bought Leigh Genesis, they unfortunately folded but have reformed as a sunday league team
I’ve recently started going to watch my local tier 9 side and if I had the sort of money to turn them into a League Two club for a bit of fun, I absolutely would. The only difference between Salford and other clubs that have travelled that same road, like Fleetwood Town for example, is the celebrity element.
I guess in the long run more power to them. In North America I see mega dollars buy an expansion franchise in all sports. When it fails they move it or sell it or both, no relegation no promotion, mega bucks does not permit that. These guys brought this club from next to nowhere to a significant somewhere (league 2). They did it with their own significant capital, but probably nowhere near the mega bucks of N.American sports.
As a Harrogate Town season ticket holder, I have never liked Salford, as we could never beat them. That changed this season, have them on last day of season, so will possibly go to Salford, never been before. Great content,always enjoy your videos.
I agree she ought to have a wider audience, but the networks would try to throttle out the essence of what makes these vids shine. She'd be the 3-minute ' local colour ' feature, pre-packaged, vapid and lacking those wonderful snarky side comments. These 8 to 10-minute pieces are fascinating. (And besides, most of Nieve's vids are non-PL content; the networks would insist she stay on brand.)
I applaud that they set up and academy and a women's team, which are both important for the community. I've seen someone say how is Salford different to Wrexham? One energised the existing fanbase, and one brought in new fans. Are the new fans only there because of the owners? Only time will tell, but Salford has always been a Rugby League town. What we can say, however, is that Salford are less loathed than MK Dons.
As someone who's a fan of a team at that level, Wrexham were sleeping giants (relatively) who really only needed a bit of investment and to be well run, Salford are basically a team created from scratch as a play thing
I think they are an irritating artificial creation, largely supported by bored Manchester United fans, who have bought their way into a league place and don't really have many real fans. It's something that can be levelled at quite a few football league sides and they're not alone (although nowhere near as hated as MK Dons) while we have former league sides like Hartlepool, Darlington, Bury, Hereford, Scarborough etc all struggling for money. Clubs that actually have some real fans but don't have the benefit of a rich benefactor.
My wife is a Darlo fan and she tells me there were multiple incidents of player hoarding by Salford on the way up. To be specific this was when they were not yet a professional club and they would take many of the best players from the Semi-Pro / Amateur football clubs they were competing with, offer them lucrative looking wages, uproot them from their local club tempting them to quit their jobs and move their families. Because they had so many players inevitably many would fall down the pecking order and would be let go. Because they weren't yet a professional club this obviously means they recruit players without giving them any sort of job security and it's easier for the club to pull the plug. I couldn't find any proof of this via google so maybe this is a case of the plural of anecdote not being data.
My local club Salford have been getting it from every angle for years and it’s funny. Some of it is purely jealousy like you said. I get it, watching another team have money pumped into it and not yours isn’t the best but the lads are all local, all grew up just down the road at the Cliff in Salford playing for United and living in the area while in the academy. They have done wonders with the community and little things as capping ticket prices so they are affordable for everyone to watch who maybe might not be able to afford going to see united or city. 15 quid a ticket is amazing as some league 2 clubs alone charge nearly double that naming no names.. Of course the fan base isn’t as big as many other massive clubs in our leagues but we are very slowly growing. I guess that comes with more success if that ever comes. 10 years ago I never seen a kid with a Salford kit on now you see them around instead of just United and city. I think if the project was a vanity thing it would be done by now but this season they have signed loads of long term sponsorship deals for the future of the club. Lastly to the people who say we buy success, that maybe true at lower levels but I’m sure there’s almost half the clubs in league 2 who have a bigger wage bill than Salford currently.
Am a Newcastle United supporter and always keep an eye on Gateshead F.C. results I would love to see the reach League one or even the Championship but know that will take some time before that happens
Wow! I happened to come across this. Very cool. I’m from Fort Lauderdale. Just wait until you see what happens with this team. I watched Miami Inter grow from nothing into what it is now. 👍👍👍Keep up the amazing job! Thanks
I thought MK D*ns were the most hated club in England? As for Salford, I kept thinking about Gretna while watching that. Money galore thrown in to pay for ringers to get them several promotions (and a cup final) only for them to be shut down once that cash could only take them so far.
Gretna folded because Brooks Mileson was in a lot of personal debt and kind of ill. He pulled his funding when admitted to hospital with a brain infection and died 9 months later after almost drowning after suffering a heart attack.
Salford will struggle to move much further up the pyramid simply because the interest in the club just isn’t there within their catchment area. They have lost a lot of support over the years to the bigger clubs around them so will take them a number of years to build that fan base almost from scratch. Like a few other league 2 teams, if they get relegated out of the EFL then I really don’t see them returning
I can't see anything wrong with Salford City In the Greater Manchester area, I am sure it's a different matter. MK Dons on the other hand, is not even worthy of the being called a football club. It's great that in their yearly fans' round-up of league club predictions for the season ahead, _When Saturday Comes_ *never* even acknowledges MK Dons. Great insight as ever Nieve, and lnked up with an interesting ethical sponsor. Brava!!
Is this women ever gonna do a video I can tear apart and smash all my windows, out of pure anger and rage? NO, I dont think she is up for anything less than 1st Class and top researched content on her channel..., so i'll just have to continue giving her all the thumbs up I can find, and save my rage for others that, only "think" they know what they're dribbling out, all over my screen! Thank you Neve for all your excellent and detailed work, that you are constantly putting out to educate the football masses.... more of this... please!!
A'reyt Nieve. I grew up in Manningham, where the Rugby League champions changed to Bradford City. Contrast that to me having lived in Salford. I did go and watch the RL team, but never expected the football team to be in the same division as Bradford City. Their rise in football is not too different though. Bradford won the FA Cup in 1911 just 15 years after being RL champions, when there were wool magnates with plenty of money in that city.
Bradford had a bit of a tiff with Northern Union and Association Football in the early 20th Century, especially when you consider Bradford (Park Avenue) and Bradford FC in 1907
Salford... Wrexham... ? Only difference is Salfords owners are not Hollywood superstars yet they are both spending the money to get their clubs up there in the leagues to one day be in the PL. Different teams and different circumstances but both get the same kind of hate when you look at it as a whole, just my 2 cents.
Wrexham actually had a decent fan base and history before Rob and Ryan showed up though. That's why they chose them to buy. Salford are just trying to manufacture it all.
Went to Salford stadium on a Newport away as couldn’t get tickets to city game. Even though stadium wasn’t filled, the atmosphere was definitely something you wouldn’t see at a prem game nowadays.
I don't really think that Salford are really that hated. There was a lot of annoyance about the insane level of coverage that they were given but now everyone has moved on to Wrexham, I think they're just another bankrolled football club that will struggle when the oweners can't or won't fund them anymore. The problem is that the insane spending pushes up costs across the board and well run clubs get pushed further down the leagues, causing them financial difficulties. Sadly no-one has learned from Rushden and Diamonds or Gretna, clubs that had well meaning benefactors who couldn't be replaced when neccessary.
Much like yourself I don't begrudge them the success or opportunity to be successful. I am also interested in what the longer term holds because there has to be a moment of reality for them because they've plateaued in recent years. This can be highlighted even more so by the fact that my team Bury has had 4 years without a ball being kicked at Gigg Lane and has instantly achieved a higher average attendance than Salford City in tier 9 of the league system. There currently isn't a depth of history and support needed to push the club forwards and if the owners walked away or scaled back the investment it wouldn't be self-sustaining. I would worry they would be back at tier 8 as quickly as they rose up.
always thought it was interesting the different reception the class of 92 got compared to Wrexham who have essentially tried a similar thing as them yet are the media's dream but overspent massively to get out of the conference
Wrexham are one of the oldest clubs in the world and were very well liked already while Salford are a meme invented by men who were loathed by most everyone who doesn't support Manchester
Wrexham actually had an existing fan base and history though. That's why Rob and Ryan chose them, they knew there was a sleeping giant there. Very different to Salford who are trying to manufacture it all.
@@gilesjones3626 a lot of people miss this If Rob and Ryan pull out of Wrexham tomorrow and they have to become self-sustainable they'll probably be at the bottom end of L2/top end of NL for the next 10 years. Salford? They'd be back in regional football before 2030
Got to go to us (MK Dons) next then? Looking at these comments people don’t really seem to mind Salford, you want a club literally no one likes it’s definitely us and not even close
Football doesn’t need a new independent regulator, it just needs the existing regulators, for that is what they are, to be less supine and less in thrall to money. It has always been the case that money can be brought into clubs and buy success. Broadly fans like it when it happens to their clubs but are less keen when it happens to others, especially when they are bitter and hated rivals. Salford lacks the history of other clubs. But so what? I rather admire these filthy rich ex footballers for wanting to put something back. And I’m a Liverpool fan so that sticks in my throat I can tell you.
Wrexham has a history, I’m sure they’ll leave the club in a better condition should they leave. The class of ‘92 are mainly from Salford, they’re doing something at least for their roots.
Only Giggs is from Salford from the class of 92. Never understood why they didn't buy Bury instead. Nevilles grew up watching them and they desperately needed some investment around the same time they bought Salford
Also Salford/Manchester you’re talking a difference of half a mile. It’s all the same. Anyone that says Trafford isn’t historically Manchester in terms of economic, cultural and society is taking out out their arse.
The question I ask myself is: what difference can be found between Solford City and Wrexham? When a small team meets large capitals the risk is to see exponential growth, a fall and then return to its own dimension. We have the example of Wembley FC. PS I'm italian and I live in Italy so maybe I don't know some some details.
My club is similar AFC Fylde. The chair David Haythornthwaite about 15 years ago took over a NW counties side and said that they would be in the football league by 2022. Many laughed but he put his money there, built a nice new 6000 capacity stadium and very nearly did it missing out in the play off final in 2019. Problem is similar though we average only 2000 fans and a bus load to away games and are universally disliked by the more traditional teams. Being so close to Preston and Blackpool doesn’t help either. Things take time to bake. Hopefully in 10 years time things will have normalised more.
Great video really enjoyed it I live on the same road as the stadium love it &you have a new subscriber looking forward to watching more of your stuff 👏👏
that sponsor ad transition was so freakin smooth i didn't even know it was happening, i feel violated, but will continue watching your videos because you're so freakin adorable
I do love your videos (even if you are a Bolton supporter!!) but I'm surprised there was no comparison here with Wrexham. Both in League 2 and have the '92 lads done anything different to Ryan and Rob? It's really just envy I think. And maybe next season the mighty Rovers can once again battle and destroy the Wanderers! (Not sure which league it will be in though! :P)
I think its the best thing that can happen to football in general. When there is stagnation and the same over and over again things need to be shaken up and seen from a new perspective.
I think the problem is AFC Wimbledon, who gained promotion all the way up to league 1, on pure fan power, compared to Salford which was more money driven! Its hard NOT to roote for Wimbledon & theyre fans compared to clubs like Salford & Crawley!
I can see how smaller clubs with potential to improve that are near larger metro areas could have an advantage over smaller clubs that are more rural. However, having some body to regulate these type of things could be more trouble than it’s worth.
Another superb documentary, always enjoy your take and it always gives me that wide eyed dream like view of football that the lower leagues often bring. It's like having hot chocolate round your Nans, it's comforting haha.
