Yoda also lived over 900 years. It would be reasonable to think that at some point, Yoda would get bored and take the opportunity to learn the dark side.
Indeed, as well as the logical assumption that he would want to know more about the Dark Side and its appeal, as well as its strengths and weaknesses of those that wield it powers.
Another theory is that yodas race has a direct link to the force. Thats why their mido count is so high. The direct link to the force is theoriezed to allow yoda to use both light and dark without being overcome by the dark side.
It's like the phrase says and Yoda later confirms "We never lose our demons, we only learn to live above them." And then later in the clone wars series in one of the final episodes SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Yoda while battling his dark side says something along the lines of part of me you are accept you I will but give you power I will not
Johnathan Sumner lol u r stupid just like this video yoda never had a dark side an the clone wars series had nothing to do with lucas story of star wars 1-6 told his story an disney just went an fucked it up so 7 8 9 dont count bc lucas ended it with return of the jedi an he sure as hell wouldnt have killed off luke an han
Given the many Sith holocrons locked in the most secure part of the Jedi library on Coruscant, one could argue that Yoda, as well as Mace Windu, studied Sith training. Know your enemy in order to destroy him.
well that and the fact that i dont belive Yoda was born to be wise and with foreside...i rather think the reason why hes so strong in the light side is because he was couroius about it in his youth, did things he still regets and he ultimately did not like the path of the darkside for himself. Its easy to say and teach something to children you dont know of and just belive...BUT a true teacher tells his pupil from his very own mistakes so they do better. And like somebody already said, yoda had 900 years to do good things and less good thinks alike, ultimately what matters is to stay true to your own belives and Yoda never wanted to be the ruler of the galaxie, at least as far as we know...so yea he probly did play around with the darkside but i doubt he ever got that far to consider him a fallen Jedi...more of a scholar that got realy REALY invested in his research.
Yeah Windu can use the dark side he had obtained the power called force crush which is a Sith ability and Windu is known to be able to beat the temptation of the dark side while still tampering with it
"At this moment Yoda turned, and Dooku gasped. Whether it was the play of the holomonitors, beaming their views of bleak space and distant battles, or some other trick of the light, Yoda's face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. Or rather, it was Yoda as he might have been, or could yet become: a Yoda gone rotten, a Yoda whose awesome powers had been utterly unleashed by his connection to the dark side. In a flash Dooku saw how foolish he had been, trying to urge the old Master to the dark side. If Yoda ever turned that way, Sidious himself would be annihilated. The universe had yet to comprehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield." - Dark Rendezvous; such an enjoyable quote
"The universe had yet to comprehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield." That is actually a pretty cool quote. Is Dark Rendezvous a canon book?
Yoda being knowledgeable about the dark side makes perfect sense. In order to debate against someone (Religion vs atheist for example) you must understand that person's views and ways of defending it. In the same manner, Yoda needs to understand the dark side to fight against. Know your enemy. Besides, one who cannot be tempted by the dark side does not need to hide from it. Yoda could spend a century with the Sith and they would never even come close to turning him so he has no reason not to explore and understand it to better fight against it.
@@jonathonfrazier6622 Saruman was always lustful for power even going back to the simarillion. Even while he served Sauron he hoped to overthrow him and take his power for himself.
too bad the jedi didn´t follow that quote: "know thy enemy" in the movies... they were so anti-dark side that they wouldn´t even talk about it let alone give their padawans somewhat of an understanding
I liked it, it made him look more evil and menacing, his normal old man look was not at all evil looking but, with the long face, he looked more like a villain.
Dooku is more of a Dark Jedi than a true Sith. he believed in acquiring power to reshape the galaxy into a united, strong, and orderly society, whereas sith simply wished to completely Dominate the Galaxy for the sake of power. The man had a point, but fell too far to see where his path would end.
Revan He was never the sith apprentice to Sidious that he believed he would someday become, though he was definitely mentored by Sidious in the ways of the sith.
I like it Shadow! This is basically what the Force Priestesses try to explain to Yoda in the Clone Wars TV series. "The beast is you, and you are the beast. To deny it simply gives it power." Interesting how in Legends Yoda seemed to recognize that there was darkness within him, whereas he denied it right up until his lessons from the Priestesses in Canon. Great stuff again buddy. Thank you for watching and I hope you enjoyed the video.
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I was about to say the same thing. He thinks Yoda may have once studied the dark side as Yoda may have once studied the dark side. He thought this because Yoda may have once studied the dark side in order to defeat the dark side.. blah blah blah there are maybe 2 things in this video that someone with no knowledge of star wars wouldn't have guessed.
light and dark is not equivilant to right and wrong. you can be a total black dark side user and be a "righteous" person. palpatine was right in order to understand the force you need to explore all aspects not hide from it. the dark side is part of the force just as the light side. the "fear" that the jedi had for the dark side of the force is what inevitably led to their destruction. ignoring emotions is not the same as controlling them like luke demonstrated in the jedi returns (this is what i believe to be true mastery and what made luke so pivotal to the story) both the sith and jedi were wrong
I agree with you completely. It's one of the reasons that Revan is my favourite character. He understood both the light and the dark. However, according to Lucas before he sold the rights, the dark side is a perversion of the force, and to bring balance is to eliminate the dark side. Personally, I absolutely hate this interpretation, not only because it makes the morality in star wars completely black or white (at least for force users) but also because it destroys the whole point of Revan's character as a balance between light and dark.
This is why, with all of its problems, I believe The Last Jedi is an amazing movie. It delves more into the mistakes of the Prequel-era Jedi and how it was their fear that ultimately created Darth Vader and the Empire.
Jonathan van dorsten I agree whereas a dark jedi vs a light jedi there is no right or wrong. Sith on the other hand are evil to the core, considering the utmost negativity such as hate, betrayal, deception, are the ways of the sith, not to mention a sith apprentice becomes a master only by killing the previous master.
Yoda was trained about dark side. He knew how to absord force lightning and other dark side abilieties. If you watch clone wars series, even Yoda has dark side within but he keeps it under control. Besides Jedis have sith holocrons and if you watch all movies, series, read comics, books etc. in many of them it is mentioned that Jedis learned about their enemies and who would not? So Dooku was right also and Dooku was Yodas apprentice, Im sure master taught a lot about himself too to Yoda.
Dark Rendezvous is another one of my favorite books. It was such an interesting look at the relationship between Yoda and Dooku. The good count was so close to being redeemed by his former master. Man, that would have thrown one gigantic wrench in Palpatine's plans and might have led to the Sith's downfall. I'm honestly not sure if he could have improvised fast enough to stop Dooku and Yoda from destroying everything he and Plagueis had schemed to achieve. Still want that Dooku novel. I'm begging you, Luceno.
I had always been curious about Dark Rendezvous since Dooku's reference to his confrontation with Yoda on Vjun in Labyrinth of Evil! I haven't had a chance to read through the entire novel yet, but I recently picked it up and read the entire confrontation to try to understand Dooku's thoughts in Labyrinth of Evil. I agree...Luceno needs to get on that Dooku novel right away! :) Thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment as always IO.
ImperialistOpinions with the way things are now a Dooku backstory would not be likely, and even if it did happen it wouldn't cover anything that happened during the other novel
prodigypenn I want and hope for a Dooku novel; that has nothing to do with how likely it is to happen. And why, exactly, should I want a new novel that covers the exact same events as one that already exists? I merely expressed that I like Dark Rendezvous very much, no more and no less. If anything, I'd expect a Dooku novel by James Luceno to be similar to Darth Plagueis and Tarkin, covering some important events in the life of Dooku that occured over decades, showing some of his time as a Jedi and his fall to the dark side.
I think its implied that Yoda did study the dark side and was familiar with it to understand his enemies, and even that he could have been even more powerful than Sidious if he ever gave in. But true to his principals he never allowed it to consume or dominate him. Great character.
You have to be naïve if one thought Master Yoda was a passive aggressive individual he needed to Combat the forces of Dark Side of The Forse. And the best way to accomplish it was to study the weaknesses also , hence studying the Dark Side while keeping his composure
John Cipriano Yoda was aware of the darkside w/in his own self. Yet he ran away from his, rather than really master it w/in himself!.. hence why he said what he said to Luke in TLJ!.. had Yoda been more intuned & forth thinking with the darkside; period & in general, & def within his self, he could have better prepared the Jedi before order 66 hit & they just might not have gotten sand bagged like that!.. feel me?..
John Cipriano I have a even simpler explanation: After 900 years of life and 850+ of those years using the Force and life experience, one would have to walk on the dark side at some point for some amount of time. 900 years is a very long time. You really can't follow one extreme of a point of view to the letter for that long a time, light or dark. At some point you'll ask yourself what the other side has to offer and experiment. If Palpatine had a lifespan like Yoda, he would try the light side out of curiosity to see for himself what the other side of the Force and life in general had to offer sooner or later during that lifespan.
chrismc410 I'm with you up to the Palpatine bit... Palpatine would never turn to the light!.. that fool dispised (ws) the light, even before he really knew he was Force sensitive (Darth Plagieos - James Lecino (sorry for ws))... Palpi would never turn to the light in a million years yo!.. that fool was married to the Dark Side!.. just like Plageous taught him to be!.. dig? . & Yoda stubernly (sorry for all this ws) stayed glued to the light!... 2 extremes that got neither one of them fools nowhere (in the bigger picture!.. ) dig?
Self Elevation if he lived as long as Yoda, he'd at least ask himself the question of what the light had to offer or at the least think about it, even for an instant. Not saying he would turn to the light but he'd at least ask himself the question.
chrismc410 I don't think so brother!.. Palpi was corrupt to the fucking bone yo!.. maybe, after he won & was bored w/ Vader & ruling the universe!... But even then I doubt it! I think he would dismiss the thought as fast as it would come in his head. . Imo more than anything!.. feel me?...
Well he trained on dagobah when he was young for a long time and thats a dark side planet. He totally knows whats up, to be a master of the force you have to master both sides
I've always loved the phrase "those who fear the dark have no idea what the light is capable of" I think that fits star wars very well as the dark side can control the force but the lightside can become avatars of the force
"In a way, it frightened Dooku" That's like saying "In a way, Dooku was wounded fighting Anakin above Coruscant" It's TRUE, but it vastly understates reality. 'In a way, it frightened Dooku', if by 'in a way' you mean 'Dooku damn near shit himself in raw terror when he realized the implications of what he tried to do'
Watching this, I remember reading the novel it was in, and found myself glancing around my room trying to remember whether I still own the book, or borrowed it from the library and took it back..... "Everyone the dark side has... But not all surrender to it!"
Meh in current canon yea but in legends there's quite a few Jedi who can and use different colored lightning. I believe Plo koon has a yellow version, it's forbidden though because Jedi don't like fun things.
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That's like someone maturing in life at first you start out doing a whole bunch of bad stuff not having understanding and then you grow older and have more wisdom and realize that is not the way but even though you changed you're still capable of being that person again
If Star Wars was a real thing, the Dark Side would just be negative emotions and the light would be good emotions. The force acts as a personification of 2 parts of human nature or the idea of Good and Evil, morality and immorality with some looseness to it for the series. A Jedi and Sith can both get angry, but it's what they choose to do with that anger that makes it darkside or lightside. A jedi would suppress it or let it go and focus on regaining himself emotionally, a Sith would increase that anger and harness it for power or to do evil. There's no real middle ground here, we know which of the 2 is good and which is not. If you give in to anger it does cause harm both for you and for those around you. In many cases the jedi were right vs the sith in philosophy but they were also wrong when it came to friendship and bonds between people and attachments and naturally people want to form attachments you just have to control your emotions and be a good person while doing so.
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In the book, The Return of the Jedi, Luke deflects lighting from the Emperor, Luke figures that if it is Force generated, can be Force deflected. But, Luke could not hold it for long and gives in.
Its not that Yoda fell too the dark side, he simply learned and understood its nature and was absolutely tempted by it, but used it as an opportunity to know it so he was more adapt to defeating it and teaching others how to also defeat it, as he stated, once down the dark path, forever it will dominate your destiny and we know that it never dominated Yoda's destiny. Yoda wasn't afraid of the dark side ultimately, but saw it for what it really was, and that was why Yoda was able to know it, yet also not join with it, because he knew of the truth of it and that knowledge gave him power without falling too it, facing the dark side is an essential experience that Yoda was aware of in order to understand the force better and to not fall to the temptations of the dark side, to be aware of its influence and whats happening if temped in some way shape or form and you can clearly see Yoda using what he learned to teach Luke in The Empire Strikes Back when Luke entered the cave.
Given Yoda's age, I'd guess he actually did train and learn several dark side techniques, probably more in line with being a gray. I think he and Mace Windu were two of the more powerful jedi due to this, and even Obi-Wan to some effect was able to use his anger to get the upper hand in some duels. A lot of the older force users, going back to Old Republic days, often dabbled in both sides of the force to be more well rounded.
I feel pure like a Jedi when im taking a dookie after work... I turn into a Sith Lord when i see there's no toliet paper n have to wobble to the closet for a fresh roll.......
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I should imagine Yoda would study it from afar. He never explored or the way Qui-Gon or Windu did. More of an academic study than any sort of immersion.
I feel Master Yoda would have at least flirted with the dark side a bit. Being almost a millennia old I think he would have learned all he could from the light. Thx for sharing!!
Maybe Yoda didn't recieve actual training, but in learning to master himself and the connection to the force, he had to master the darkness within, what Dr. Carl Jung called his shadow self, in order to be able to be a complete master of the light. George Lucas was influenced by Joseph Campbell, why not Jung too? What do you think?
I agree with this. I think it is Plato who said that one who supremely masters the light will understand the the shadows for what they truly are. The dark side treat derivative phenomena as realities (reality as it seems to me or as I want it to be) and thus never really understand the light which submits to reality as it is. One who understands their self and masters their self will understand how one can go wrong.
@@himself3011 I think Campbell was an etic academic, he described the hero's journey but would never describe himself as one who has walked on that journey, whereas Jung was much more multifaceted and had to keep appearances in order to be respected by his peers at the time, but now that we have access to the red book, we can see how much of Gnostic he was. Cheers.
I feel that all Jedi who are faced with the lure of the dark side do learn from it to an extent. By facing the darkness and rejecting it they learn not only about it but themselves even if they stumble and fail at points in that journey.
stampede122 great theory......this same thoery itself could also explain how Mace Winduu was able to stay on the edge of balance between light & dark with his saber coloring. Perhaps both Jedi Masters know more than what their abilities showed all of us. I think both Masters know of the light and dark as well as secrets to hiding and maintaining themselves from being seduced and fully pulled into the ways of the Sith. There may also be more force abilities that have not been revealed from both Yoda & Winduu
I'd say it's safe to say the masters studied the dark side so they'd be ready for it. They did have sith holocrons kept in vaults away from most of the order.
Well he is really old, so he had to have gone through a dark phase sometime in his life. I wouldn't be surprised if he has trained in the dark side before.
I swear like everysingle big name in the Jedi had an apprentice that fell to the dark side...well everyone other than qui gon I guess, obi never went to the dark; maybe it was because qui gon was a little more open minded and never tried to repress the dark side?
in retrospect, knowing that grogu is a baby born around the same time as anakin, has had multiple Jedi masters train and raise him and with what he’s capable of right now. I can only imagine what yoda (900 years of training) can do.
Well said...it says in the word of God...by Christ himself....NO MAN IS WITHOUT SIN....it's the turning away from sin even in the face of temptation that pleases God. It is a struggle for many of us though...especially in these days...very easy access to all sorts...even worse if you have access to the dark web...and it's becoming mainstream acceptable to be full of debauchery. Signs are everywhere....order 66(6)...coming soon.
@@elevatingvibration1860 There is always that one person in every discussion/argument that has to tie everything to religion. At least star wars books are original, and not interpretations taught in a "holy" building by an on-rails-minded person as an absolute truth. I've read many well thought out point of views in this thread about the force, others willing to accept or at least acknowledge another's view, but religion is taught that either you believe what you are taught by your (again, interpretation of an ancient text that may or may not have existed) bible or Koran or whichever you CHOOSE to read and believe that you follow these, essentially rules, or you are going to hell (or one's religious beliefs version on an eternal damnation). So please leave sci-fi and your choice of "how to live your life manual" separate topics. Next thing you know, people will start voicing that the bible was originally written in Hebrew! Then we will be in non-fiction conversations!
Yoda has incorporated his shadow. It's a common theme throughout mythology as well. In Mesopotamian creation myth, human beings are created from the blood of the king of monsters. Alternatively, like how Paarthurnax said, although this idea is also much older than Skyrim. "What is truly good? To be incapable of evil? or to be fully capable and choose not to be evil?" If the idea that Yoda may have had dark side training appeals to you, it may be a good idea to look into the Jungian Shadow.
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Yoda is a wise old crone that constantly gave guidance to others. He also wasn’t one to brag. With that in mind, Yoda saying “much to learn, you still have” to Dooku after he brags about being “more powerful than any Jedi” is unlikely to be a throwaway line. Yoda is simply telling Dooku not to be that naive about what others know. Yoda has definitely studied or even practiced the Dark side...
Stumbled on the video. Im not the biggest SW fan, but I like this topic. The best teachers are the ones who've experienced and been through the same situations. The fact he is old he could have been well experienced enough to believe in having full control in mind and body that the light wouldnt leave him. Giving him the capacity to let the darkness in and still retain control of him self and beliefs.
I believe mace windu and and yoda both trained in the dark side. Mace was definitely a dark Jedi master Yoda simply turned away from it, but also it has been made very clear in Canon and non- Canon that thousands if not millions of unique cultures had different faiths that had force usage the Jedi would seek out these cultures for intellectual reasons.
“know yourself, know your enemy, and you shall win a hundred battles without loss,”-Sun Tzu. I do not believe Yoda had to do anything with the dark side to understand it from a scholarly perspective or to face it in battle. The "dark Yoda" image could have been a psychological maneuver to show Dooku that his supposed power of fear was overestimated and that he was indeed subject to it still.
idk, using the force to create a psychological attack to invoke fear seems like a dark side use of the force to me. yoda wasn't always a wise old man so he probably experimented with the dark side of the force at some point.
I do believe Yoda learned the ways of the dark side too. To be able to completely negate darkness, you need to understand it, what creates it, what drives it, how it works. I think Yoda's way of life consists on being positive, but not blindly. To follow the light but knowing exactly why, not just repeating his master's words like a parrot. The problem with a lot of people that fell to the dark side is exactly that, they decided to follow a doctrine blindly without understanding how it made sense and ended up being deceived into the belief the dark side is the same, but better (because it also made them feel better, even though it was nothing more than an easy way out).
Yoda has faced his own darkness in the Clone Wars Cartoon when he had a Force Vision / Trial to face his own darkness head on. If so then that could provide a viable explanation as to Yoda's inner darkness. Now I think it's clear that Yoda is probably a foremost expert of the Dark Side among the Jedi, perhaps more than he lets on. Jedi Masters are allowed to view and peruse restricted texts, and as such I think it would be logical that Yoda would have taken advantage of this, perhaps discreetly.
There's a small clip in the Teaser Pro's channel of the Yoda Teaser video they made where Yoda appears to be where what might be a Sith Tomb, and a figure as him "what brings you to my Tomb Jedi?" and sounded like Yoda then said "to learn". Not sure where that came from but sounded pretty real.
The dark side scales vertical. Light side scales horizontal. In essence anyone truly a master of the light side is immune to the dark side, to them falling to the dark side has no significant meaning. So conversions go as follows: Low experience wielders are susceptible to the vertical pull of the dark and mastering the light is generally harder. To truly master the light you have to pass the tests of the dark side and see if for what they really are. The Jedi code is actually very clear about that.
