Why Dorian Yates was wrong about Brandon Curry 

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Let's see Paul Allen's headline

His back is definitely no where near Dorian back.

Dorian revolutioned the back in bodybuilding

Phil and Kai have a better back than Curry

True but curry beats him in the gluts and legs Dorians glutes were awful, he wouldn't have beaten yates cos lets face it he was one of the best there ever was but this video is still accurate he would have beaten most of the lineup

Currys back is way bigger than dorians plus dorians back is overrated samir bannout had a better bdb

he could beat phil @ 100%, better structure

Judged reward size nowadays, regardless of what steve weinberger says

No brandon needs calves. I could place him putside top 6 just cuz of the calves. A BB physique is like a chain in the sense its never better than its weekest link, after that comes General mass/size, conditioning, symmetry etc

@@michaelpaquette4617 dont believe that for a second. Sure he knows he won, but that the competition is fierce. Im sure he'll try his best at conditioning as the others are too. But working hard all year round on calves? Unfortunately thats unlikely AF

@@purgatov That's not how it's judged. Bodybuilding is mass and conditioning first second and third. Calves are the last thing judged.

@Brendon O'Connell Good times man, simple times.

Nah it’s overrated

yeah unless your name is Phil Heat 2010/11 or 13 , Ronnie Coleman 98/99/2003, Dorian Yates, Jay Culter 2009 or maybe one or two bodybuilder more you not winning shxt this decade

@@mixedpleasure4324 kai would beat dorians worst years, so would ramy. And loads of guys could win normal shows

@@stephencurran2284 Ramy can't beat Dorian except in 1992. Dorian wins FLS, both back poses and side tricep. It would always be a tie though.

Nothing wrong with that. I respect him as a bodybuilder even though I think he's a piece of shit human being.

But then he'll also be quick to say that a 100% Shawn Ray isn't good enough to beat an 80% Dorian Yates. So which is it?

Mike Hm? Why’s he a piece of shit human being?

People keep saying because conditioning but its genetics north western Europeans are known to age really quick giving them thin skin nobody can deny Shawn Rhoden's conditioning is great one reason why he has such great conditioning is because he is old an his skin is getting thinner same with Dexter Jackson it's impossible to beat people with thin skin in conditioning especially if you're younger or don't got the genetics like Dorian Yates had people tend to not take this in to account.

MOE'S The 90s was the best and the most competitive era ever

Batman but he always had great conditions even in 1997 his skin looked thinner than Nasser

Shriveled up bicep and a tricep and Yates still wins the O, shows how dodgy it was. Bbing show should be judged on muscle not on ones skin thats for sure.

Dan smith but with such injures he had better shape conditioning than Brandon!Yes that victory was very strange but with such injures he had greatest conditioning

@@ruslankbr5243 shape has to do alot with good muscle symmetry and V-Taper. I think with Yates bicep that just throws his symmetry off and Yates wasnt known for his V-Taper although his lats did help improve his V-Taper but not enough to beat Curry with his wasp like waist. But i think with Curry's smaller waist and a wider back then Yates, he has a much better V-Taper. I will give Yates the nod over Curry with his granite type dry leaness. The mass they both carry is comparable with their frames. Yates granite conditioning was something, but i think theres more positives to curry. Yates granite conditioning was alot better than Ronnie but Ronnie during his Mr O reign would be Yates every time with size and V-Taper. Just my 10 cent opinion 😁.

Batman he can’t improve much being 37 years old. He’s not Dexter Jackson who seemingly seems to be getting better at 50 (!!) years old.

Dorian wasn't being mean. He was being realistic.

totally agree.

His conditioning was always good from the back .. can’t say he was stunning from the front tho

Chris Artiga his conditioning was superb everywhere. I’m guessing u weren’t there.

I think Dorian just didnt put much thought into it since he was talking on the fly in an interview. the spirit of what he said was essentially correct everyone agrees that Curry had sub-standard conditioning that does not come close to how guys were expected to look in the 90s.

jescel salavante Amen!

Only poses the biceps hurt him was front double biceps and most muscular which were terrible anyways but every other pose was amazing (decent side chest and abs&thighs) and his midsection is also decent compared to modern guts.

For all his talk about being a rational guy, Dorian has a pretty big ego and has a hard time viewing anyone as having a better physique than him. He only compliments the 90s bodybuilders and Big Ron as a means to compliment himself, since he beat all of those guys.

Jescel thanx I'm 55 yrs old and have been following bodybuilding since the 80's, all these guys are no different from athletes who competed in the 80's, 90's everyone thinks their era is better, but as much as I like Dorian he is delusional dude had won 2Mr.O's with a torn biceps! But hey that's their opnion!

@@leonardomoore1868 Good job you've been following bodybuilding for so long yet you don't know what you're saying

The modern top guys wouldn't have been doing the same drugs back in the 90's, so neither you nor anyone else has any idea how they would look or how they would fair had they been born 20 years earlier.

@@MikeKayK Well, we can't say exactly what they would look like, but we can assume that they'd look pretty much the same as the rest of the 90's bodybuilders at the time, since they'd be on the same drugs. But that's not the point, most critics claim that modern day bodybuilders, AS THEY LOOK, would not fair well. That simply isn't true. Modern mass monsters like Kai or Ramy would dominate lineups, losing only to the absolute elite like Dorian or Ronnie. Even if we compare 90's and modern bodybuilders with similar traits, modern usually wins. Ramy and Nasser? Ramy is bigger, more complete with a better back. Wouldn't be easy but Ramy would most likely take it. Or what about two shorter bodybuilders, like Shawn Ray and William Bonac? Bonac is ridiculously thick and complete, and is usually pretty sharp. I have difficulty believing Shawn could win. The list goes on.

@@herculssatan5883 thank you finally someone don't talk from his ass a lot of ppl love to hate on today bb and always bring the drug conversation

BB is, and has always been a visual-sport. People tends to forget that, over and over again. Same thing every year... Guy X post a pic where he weights 320 pounds something 8 weeks out of Mr. O say´s just about nothing on the day evening competition is held. You can absolutely NOT see the difference between 20-25 pounds different. You who seriously follow this sport, of course, knows this. But for an average guy, just training to keep himself a little fit. For him it´s a complete different story: "hey, this guy was 320 pounds just 6 weeks out. He must be a "runner-up". Well, a guy with small joints, hips and a narrow waist line easily destroys a 30-40 pounds heavier guy if THAT guy has wide hips, thick ankels and a wide mid-section. Look att Dexter Jackson. Had the fortune to see him here in Sweden 2004. He was handed out trophies to all the winners. At the same time I saw Thomas Stellander, a norweigen guy, pumping up. Heawyweigt-class and famous for his 24 inch arms. But "Blocky" all the way... He was in contest shape, of course. Probably out-weight Dexter with 30-40 pounds and standing at the podium as a winner. All in the audience shouted: " of with the shirt, Dexter, of with the shirt. Dexter did that and BANG. Itwas just embarricing..)-; Stellander looked small in comparison and Dexter wasn´t in any contest-shape. More like decent seminarium-shape. 10-0 for Dexter... He had this "flow" in the physiq as Arnold had. As Lee Hayney had. The "flow" that is so necessery to win major titles and be a True/Great Champion... Can´t buy love for money... Either you have it or you don´t. To some degree you can "polish" your physiq BUT you need to be born with that kind of genetics- Simple as that.. And when I´m at it. All this talk about "mass-monster". How come that Dexter Jackson STILL can place as high as top 6. He has never been a true "mass-monster" in any way. 216 pounds (98 kg) competition shape. 235 lb (107 kg) (Off-Season). Competing for, what is it? Over 20 years now? Sorry, but who gives a F**K about some guy posting 320-340 pounds 6-8 week before Mr. Olympia and still get beaten buy Dexter... Sorry, long text and got carried away BUT you get my point, right? Didn¨t even nedded to right that last sentence. Of course, you get it.. From Sweden. Apologize for bad english but you catch my drift, I think...

@@stefanbjurman3329 I'd like to agree as a small boned giy myself but unfortunately, the judges have been favoring size a lot for the past years compared to aesthetics.

Just because someone says something doesnt mean it's true lol

@@ChronicBackPainn lol is that all you can say LOL

He was the only one

Krist Sostad me too. He may be my favorite and easily one of the best all around of all time.

Not underrated but died too early

Of course he deserved in 97

He did not deserve 1997 wtf he looked like jabba the hut

Viki M obviously more than anybody in these comments. But the point is that they allowed a real beat up and horrible version of Dorian to win. He looked like shit there’s no arguing it

@@SnCproduction801 agreed. If anything Shawn probably has a better case than Nasser for the title if conditioning and the back shots were the main argument against Nasser. love him or hate him, Shawn always came in peeled (even when he put on size in the late 90s) and his back was always perfect in detail

Adam Schwartz Shawn Ray was the most consistent bodybuilder of the 90s hands down. He said it himself that it was just the size that kept him from winning and unfortunately it was true

paul streiner Hey Paul. I’d love to come work for you guys. I admire what y’all do. I would. be an asset. How do I get in touch?

Adam Schwartz Shawns ab and thigh from 94 was arguably the best in the history of competitive bodybuilding. And oddly enough, as big as he was, Dorian’s ab and thigh was actually very aesthetic, in large part due to his ridiculous lats and teres major.

@@FloridaManMatty following bodybuilding closely the past few years, it seems like in the 90s, guys really grew their bodies with a great training base before upping the doseages. Seems like guys today at like 20-23 really hop on massive cycles without a foundation, and blocky faded midsections is the result as much as growth and insulin. Totally agree, Dorian was great in the abs and thighs

Adam Schwartz You know something else that occurred to me today as I sat contemplating the weighty (pun totally intended) issues of the world... As I’ve gotten older (I’m 42), I have noticed unintended consequences and examples of cause and effect that weren’t as obvious to me as a younger guy. Something I’ve never heard discussed before regarding the change in quality of physiques in pro BB is the lifestyles of the guys before they started as well as prevailing ideas about things like nutrition when they got started. For instance, you take Larry Scott. What does he have in common with contemporary pros? It’s all about size for them. In Scott’s day, everyone was consuming as many calories as possible through whole or raw milk, whole eggs, liver, a lot of dairy etc... Guys today are all about looking full and putting on and keeping as much size as possible without being penalized by the judges. They inhale as much food as possible and don’t put out as much effort pre-contest as the guys from the early 70’s through the late 90’s. The guys from the 70’s - 90’s became progressively more focused on conditioning overall. Of course over time, AAS use became more involved, supplements got more advanced, and various training styles were debated and tried out. The two things most of those guys had in common were VERY hard training and increasingly more suffering to attain insane conditioning for their shows. One thing all of those guys, from Eugene Sandow to Coleman, had in common was a predisposition for athletics in their youth and not nearly as many distractions that would keep them sedentary. Back in the day, they had to work outside the sport and tended to keep themselves busy while maintaining a fairly balanced diet. These days, broadly speaking, the top pros are kept men. They are paid to train, paid to eat, and don’t do shit outside the gym because lord knows mowing your own lawn will make a person flat and it’s 20 weeks until the show! Gotta keep that fullness! Workouts consist of a lot of pumping exercises and five minutes after the workout is over, they’re in the locker room taking selfies for Instagram, barely breaking a sweat. Half of these guys breath hard in between sets these days it seems. In between their 8 meals a day, heavy black market AAS use ( that’s another BIG factor), and multiple Ambien fueled naps throughout the day, they occupy themselves with social media and a PlayStation. What I’m seeing is a generation of guys who grew up on video games and internet bro science when every self respecting bodybuilder, from novice to Mr. O, had someone doing their “diet” (hahaha), and a training guru. None of these guys knows their body anymore, but they can damn sure time their Humulin injections to the minute. Priorities, I guess. It pains me to say this out loud, but dammit...it was better in my day.

The video was more than that. Bigger and still pretty conditioned. So he should likely be able to knock off the ones who were not very conditioned, and way smaller. What you are insinuating, is not the position in the video.

Brandon is also shorter than most of the 90s guys.

@@Siberius- Oh, I watched it. He did say that if Yates and judging were talking about and based on just conditioning that Brandon would have difficulties. Just saying that the size claim is the Big Ramy defense and it reminded me of it.

​@@WHATISUTUBE - I don't think it's quite like that. But fair enough to be reminded of it (size is always a big component though, before Ramy). The size defence legitimately applies for Big Ramy. He would always be placing right up the top based primarily on mass, except last time (although his conditioning generally isn't thattt bad, since there's always guys not far behind him who have pretty lame conditioning). The problem is when people say Ramy should be placing nigh first, by putting way too much weight on his size. But that's not at all what Tomn8er is saying should happen with Curry in a 90s lineup. Just that he could at least pick off the stragglers who would be dwarfed and who didn't have good conditioning to potentially save their ass anyway. In the case for Curry, it's a size defence, but also a conditioning defence.

Yeah, and Martin Kjellström from Sweden (from Sweden myself). One of the stupieds comment I heard was: " Kjellström "dwarfed" Dexter jackson. Then my friend asked; "How this he placed? Kjellström 16th place. Dexter 3th. LOL

Yeah Wheeler was lucky to get 2nd he was soft and full of oil. Cormier should've probably been runner up. And there is an argument for Ray over Wheeler also.

Beauty man! Long overdue 🥳👏🏻

Yeah channel is awesome

Boom! Congrats Marx!

I feel it's gotta be a lot of the precontest protocols and maybe compounds guys today are using. I doubt they're that far off in terms of body fat

The immortal irony of today is that guys can run so many more drugs than the 70s and 80s, yet need synthol for their arms.

Adam Schwartz it’s most likely due to the drugs and training, guys these days focus on what to take rather than how to train From what I can tell it looks like reliance on drugs to build the muscle results in poor quality and lack of separation. If it was just the precontest stuff like sodium control they’d look the same as the 90’s guys a few weeks out but they don’t.

Yeah he would have been on dangerous levels of diuretics which was common at the time. It's harder but safer to come in condition these days

Shawn Rhoden is just a bigger and slightly less conditioned version of the 90s bodybuilders. 2011/2013 Phil would win every single Olympia in the 90s.

@@lool12366 less conditioned ? Check again

couple=2. So Rhoden and Curry. If Curry wouldn't place in the top 5-6 how the hell would Rhoden? In my mind Curry beats Rhoden 9/10 times.

Exactly, even with shit posing

Paul's back are on natural bb level..

Vuk Delic lmao

I mean the lighting was awful for the 2019 olympia

@@awesomeness7ful It wasn't the best!

I have never seen someone as hard and dry as Dorian (in person competing).

Jeffrey Lavergne facts. He would look kinda fat compared to everyone else

Except there were top 6 placers who had pretty lame conditioning. But they would also get absolutely dwarfed (some of those earlier year guys especially).

bs he would be in the top 6 easily

You are right, ronnie coleman conditioning before 1998 was stil beter than brandon's, but he stil counldn't place, brandon wouldn't even place top 10

@@trolagamer482 I really like the ronnie coleman comparison you just gave !! In 1996 and 97 he was amazing but barely placed !! 👍👍👍

phil? the same phil with narrow shoulders, sub par biceps and legs? i don't think so

Heath wouldnt blow a 93 DY or 98,99 Coleman out of the water lol. He is smaller with a narrow frame. When standing next to each other it's a different story. That being said his 2011-2013 physique is damn impressive.

yates legs are smaller than his

facts, yates think he competed with the big boys lmao he lucky he retired before ronnie came in his prime

This. Just like Coleman languished between 1992 and 1997 because he wasn't conditioned enough, then he got his act together and won. The Coleman of 1992 to 1997 would probably win Mr O today, and in 1992 he wasn't even placed! Then he managed like 15th, 6th, 10th, 9th

@@Chris741113 in 1992 to 1995 He was small as fuck and wouldnt even be top 10 nowadays.

Depends on the lineup

@@Tomn8er for sure. I imagine not a ton of big name will be there, I could see Regan doing it as his O qualifier. Perhaps Kuclo and Akim Williams too. Also, I stumbled upon a video of Rich discussing his O predictions in '15, saying it'd be Phil but that if Cedric nails his conditioning he'd win. I sincerely hope we get to one day see a shredded Cedric at the O, but I agree with your prior video about him at the Arnold vs the O, I'm not sure we'll see that happen

Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillet and Nasser regularly got top spots with no hamstring and glute seperation and other washed out bodyparts. Today a guy as genetically gifted as Samson Dauda or Andrew Jacked couldn't even make top 5 simply because of their condition. You're smoking crack

dont be an obnoxious dipshit.

Agreed. Very overrated bodybuilder in my opinion.

They were. 90s were the heyday.

Not sure why you say that about his height. Just eyeballing it he's in the 5'7"-5'8" range, definitely taller than 5'6". Probably not 265lbs but I'm just going with what the Olympia video said since I couldn't find any other info. He's easily over 225-230 though. At least 240-250 depending on his actual height.

I think he has an outstanding wife as well.

Ronnie Coleman

6th was in favour if Curry i think dorian could said top 8 would nothing wrong with that after all 5th placed was reserved for Shawn Ray ,remain top 5 consecutive for 12 years was not a joke probably we can say that IFBB is a Joke of jokers Judges politics sucks ;-)

Just look at the pics. It was over 25 years ago and Yates wasn't at his biggest yet

The scale is not the same. Pics always lie.

It's not far off. I scaled them according to their heights to give Dorian an extra 2-3 inches. Yates simply wasn't that big back then compared to modern bodybuilders

It's not about height in pics. The pics have different angles, lights and they are stretched in different ways. I've seen photos where Dorian was taller than phil as it is but phil's calves looked way bigger lol. That's scale and stretching.

Different angles and lighting are inevitable but they're not stretched. I can't vouch for what you've seen on other videos though

More like 4 weeks out.

Joseph Ohrablo He was right about . That specifically (conditioning).

Agreed I actually like it, it was just meant as a little joke, same with the Ayahuasca bit, which AFAIK has no impact on memory

Nahh as good as hadi is his blocky General symmetry and undersized triceps/arms will give too much problems comparatively

That's the point though. That's not a real lineup it's an Allstar 90's lineup lol