Why DROID Strategy Was So Beautiful to Watch AFTER the Clone Wars 

I mean he wins either way from both sides.

@neofulcrum5013 The, theoretical, point of the CIS was that they were fighting to create a decentralized system, which is why they are a confederacy. Not sure if this works for Palpatine or not.

@@KingFlameHawk It would have if he'd wanted it to- the Separatist Council and corporate states worked very well to create a totalitarian hyper-capitalist, slave-trading society that by any measure was even worse than the Republic. By the point the clone army was ordered, the Sith had decided on usurping the Republic by appearing to save it, rather than crushing it with the emerging Separatist movement which they also controlled, so a lot of battles were thrown by the Confederate leadership, knowingly or unknowingly. I'd be interested in seeing some videos about cases where the CIS came closest to winning despite Palpatine's maneuvers, and how he could have adjusted accordingly. By the second year of the war it's pretty unlikely with the secret reserve force being underway in legends/predisney, but there were definitely cases where a confederate victory was likely and required direct sith intervention. Most notably, Geonosis, as Geetsly has discussed, and also sending Merai to his death at first Kamino in the pre-disney canon. The confederacy definitely had the resources to brute force a victory in the first months of the war, and required careful managing to not achieve it. Hell, the confederate forces on Geonosis could have seized an unguarded Coruscant on day 1 if the sith hadn't manipulated the Republic into accepting a slave clone army out of desperation AND laid a trail to Geonosis.

The CIS theoretically planed to win, that was their goal, to win the war. But you are right, Palpatine and Dooku manipulated them. Dooku as head of state for the CIS carefully orchestrated the war so the CIS would slowly be defeated and Palpatine win the Republic public + many Jedi got killed in the war. If Dooku and Palpaine hadn't sabotage the CIS they would have surely won the Clone Wars, no matter if a clone is worth 10 battle droids and a Jedi 100 droids.

Any time the CIS started winning enough that they could actually achieve total victory, Sidious would throttle them back or sabotage them.

Sieg zeon intensifies

When the Separatists actually start thinking like OOM-9.

@@watch50er I see you are man of culture as well

They could of the whole time. The CIS easily had the power to curve stomp the Republic in a matter of days. But Palpatine heavily nerfed the CIS, so therefore the battle droids and even the biological commanders were made dumb and given terrible information.

@@joshuahudnell7401 I feel like nerding out, but yes, I am fascinated by zeon’s MS and disappointed at how their winning suits come to little too late. Especially considering how much work goes into each model.

If there’s more battles between the Empire and Seperatist Holdouts, then we’ll get to see more examples of battle droid tactical brilliance.

On god...

Inductive Grunt9 Clones are more skilled than droids the only thing have over clones is numbers and what do u means its crosshair that led a victory for the empire the other clones helped aswell like that clone nova that took out a droideka, and lets not forget clones didn't use there fullest potential either are we forgetting that the jedi were the cause of alot of clone deaths because of there terrible stragetgys

@@Angel05433 in that episode def. not sadly plot armor won but damn if the battles where like that in clone wars holy f still awesome episode

@@LarryPigeon1 in that episode the clones were better u didn't see that droideka get smoke by the clone nova? And lets not forget there was only a squad of clones vs a battllion of droids and they had a tactical droid caculating battling stragetys clones have always been better than droids but the droids always outnumber clones tho for imstance the mandos fought the droids and they lost cause the droids heavily outnumbered them

I think that was just Cody's squad. Cody was a very no nonsense type of guy and his squad reflected that. I think Cody worked with those guys a lot, given he was pretty sad when Nova but the dust. Also, I don't know if the empire was doing this yet, but at some point they started monitoring trooper's comms, so that might also be why.

Wasn’t the Empire have rule that the stormtrooper cannot chatter during job

They also weren't held back by poor Jedi leadership.

Budget.

It's more close to traditional cannon too which makes it actually really nice to see.

And theres also the lesser known Ultra battle droids... They have stronger firepower than droidekas...

I'm glad they went back to their episode 1 depiction. They were a joke in TCW. Droid poppers, tanks, and rockets were always around to counter them in that show. They never allowed them to shine against standard infantry.

Same

OOM-9 Would be proud.

@@minicle426 I miss OOM-9...

100% otherwise they would get the shutdown signal and just go down. Reprogrammed to actually just do soldiering

@@digheanurag I beg to differ. We've actually seen cases of droids refusing the droid shutdown signal before. So I believe more that droids denying the shutdown signal instead wipes out a part of their programming that causes the droid incompetence.

But the geonosis droids were new droids

Same goes for the tac droid it was probably never meant to control such a huge amount of them at the same time rather the small force like this one was probably what it was designed for

Yeah. When a tactical droid commands a smaller group, they do it a lot better, though many were reckless and were willing to sacrifice droids, civilians or positions to win - which the Republic could sometimes use against them. This is a much smaller group, but large enough to function as a proper small army, and I also think they weren't factory reset, not fully, but retained enough information from their battles or that of other droids, letting them use that experience in order to do their jobs better. So a more moderately sized amount to control, experience, some much-needed upgrades, and a good focus on the area and surroundings. Tactical droids are only good for MASSIVE amounts of droids when just relaying more simple information. Direct command is much more difficult, same for real life war or combat. A few top commanders for a large front, local commanders that are at the front itself, spread out evenly among the troops. Had the droids been a lot more numerous, then they'd have probably required another tactical droid to help, or more OOM-series Command Droids, as they were also programmed for commanding troops in the middle of a fight, as is seen early in the episode when this specific droid uses the binoculars very effectively.

The more they fought the more they learned and won

Kinda like the droids from rebels

I'm pretty sure that droids in Star Wars always had personality and intelligence. In the films as well, from AotC onward, the droids are clearly sentient, just stupid.

@@dark7element Even the B2s weren't except from this, they manhandled R2 instead of keeping distance with an unknown threat

​@@leandraferesthogar7249B2s are brute force, like your club bouncers. They are muscle, not brains. The tactical droids, commandos, and assassins are supposed to be smart though.

if dooku was actually in charge with grievous as his second in command the republic just loses. dooku is smart AND powerful same with grievous. theres also a chance he would bring darth maul into his company meaning not only is the crime syndicate siding with the cis mandalore is aswell so you have 3 elite forces working together against a vastly lower numbered army

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 so, if Dooku doesn’t fall under Sidious’ control, he still forms the Separatists and has Grievous as his second in command. And probably uses the right strategy to roll over the Republic.

@@poolturtle5772 well he wouldn't win, as in take over, but probably sucessfully negotiate a peace deal and break away

​@@poolturtle5772 Yep without palpatine, dooku would curbstomp the republic.

​​@@aurelian2668 To be fair, it probably also would have taken longer for him to turn from the Jedi without Sidious, and that extra time would probably lead him to being much less willing to compromise his morals... if that were the case, I'm not even sure he'd be capable of forming the CIS. At the very least, a more moral Dooku would have a lot more trouble rallying support from the corporate sector, which at that point was the only authority even capable of opposing the Jedi and the broader Republic (Edit: I'm dumb, just realized how easy it would have been for him to just lie to the CIS- since that's what he was doing for the whole of the Clone Wars anyway- and then just backstab them and reform the operation without their corrupting influence.)

They're acting more like real soldiers now

@@literallyanidiot2880 exactly

Your pfp is too small for me to accurately see so I thought it was a fucked up humanoid Sonic

@@DakotaofRaptors lol

Except we got plenty of Clone-centric episodes in the Clone Wars that still made the droids and Separatists into bumbling idiots and now that they’re giving the Separatists actual attention since they aren’t the main baddies, it’s just too obvious to ignore the script. It’s just more annoying if anything. It feels too late to make up for the lack of proper conflict in the Clone Wars, and honestly a bit of a slap in the fact that it took this long.

@@ferrik1675 The droids were purposefully made to suck by Palpatine. In terms of their actual theoretical strength, numbers, and advantages they would have won the clone wars. They were purposefully nerfed, Palpatine did not want a real threat, only a theoretical one that could fight for many years. The separatist holdouts were not being controlled by Palpatine so they could put the effort in to correct the clearly dysfunctional nerfed parts of the force. Like not using B1s for so many different tasks that they suck at. Not using B1s at all frankly.

I wonder how much of the overperformance here was because the sith weren't interfering with the droids, either by directly throwing battles like 1st Geonosis, or saddling with with the greediest, most incompetent organic leadership they could find.

We already know how that's gonna go down

Only for the very senate they were fighting was reinstalled

You talking this made me think They should make an episode of droids and clones vs clones and imperial soldiers

@@elisekehle8520 i think it was all because of the sith and lack of corporate junk. If the CIS was just that, a breakaway faction wanting freedom, they'd make sure their fighting force was the best it could be because losing is more expensive in my opinion. But the CIS was instead led by a Sith who controlled a bunch of Corporations, and if we know one thing about corporations especially in America the only thing they care about is maximizing profit. Why make really good Droid programming when it's cheaper to make some that just barely gets by.

Was it that the droids have gotten better. Or that the clones have become worse?

I always fanficed that if the clone wars lasted longer than 4 years, there would be more interesting moments in galactic history especially with moments like this where the droids be used almost similar to the clones in tactics as well as use their basic advantage of numbers

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It's more right to say that this is a small glimpse of what the Clone Wars would have been without Palpatine's tampering. The Droid army was never meant to win against the Republic. The droid army was, without a doubt, much better than the clone army, and it was often sabotaged from the inside by Palpatine on purpose to keep the war going.

To see more of our clone brotheren die? Nah. We've seen enough

From Trenches to Wrenches.

Perhaps the story of what happened to the Super Tactical Droid that escaped the Empire with its droid forces in Star Wars: Rebels. I would also love to see an episode centered around a re-activated team of commando droids stealthily eliminating an Imperial outpost.

Couldn’t have said it better.

thnk part of it is that they were lead by incompetents for the most part, save for terrors like General grievous. Though we see grievous lose more often than not, he technically won more battles than he lost in the series. main charactesr being strong and out of the box and his own arrogance were often his downfall. all else fell to him. generally most seperatists operated using ZERG tactics. however desperation and a lack of industry caused the hold outs to use them optimally.

I love that

Also, this senator wasn't an arrogant penny pinching warmonger. It's hard NOT to find a better commander than Grievous or the usual Seperatist characters from Clone Wars.

I think it's more to do with the droid shutdown code. Maybe those who refused the droid shutdown code (which we seen was possible from General Kalani in Rebels Season 3) had a code wiped that made them incompetent.

@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 Yes, Rebels S.3 episode "The Last Battle" showed the B-1's operating well with the Tactical Droid in charge. They put up quite a fight!

Ironic. The clones have become much more machine-like now that the war is over, whereas the droids seem to have more emotional and are happier. That high five after the droid in the tank hit the ship was glorious.

To be perfectly honest, the idea that clones could even compete with the bonkers technology on the CIS side was always a little iffy when you sit down and actually think about all the benefits a fully robotic army would have over an organic one, it gets even worse when you realize that we're talking about a galactic scale conflict. Making the B1s into a gaggle of morons is pretty much required for the CIS to believably not just steam roll the GAR. They had fully self aware starfighters that were cheap enough to mass produce... that's some wild stuff and only in a fantasy setting would something like that just fall out of use entirely.

The endless tide is what casts my doubt on the whole overstressed droid idea. It makes sense from a siege or drawn out battle prospective, but new droids in a new place shouldn't have all the same quirks. That's like a new computer coming predownloaded with tracking cookies and temp files.

​@@ben501stWell probably as the war ranged on the droids were more dumbdown to lessen the cost.

​@@ben501stthey probably have a lot of files downloaded into them when they get added to an existing force so as to be "caught" up on tactics, situation etc which likely causes them to break down

The CiS would have defeated the republic even with the Jedi if not purposefully hamstringed by the Sith.

Yeah, Episode 4 was not as heavy story-telling. But after the last three episodes, it was fine to take a break from that. And it was nice seeing some world-building with these races, showing what people in the setting actually did for fun.

@@dungeonguy88 that poor guy in the audience though...feels bad man.

@@AshCreeper Imagine going to a race to watch your favorite driver and then getting shot by him. Must really suck

@@AshCreeper Yeah, no one even seemed even all that upset. Tells you that sort of thing is kind of business as usual.

Only for shield generator to flip a bird to that bombardment

Yeah, you have to remember a lot about the Clone Wars was specifically engineered by the Sith. Without them, it’s more likely multiple separatist movements would pop up instead of a unified one. Also without the threat of the Sith, Sifo-Dyas would never have made the order for the clones. Without the Sith, it would be more like a series of proxy wars where separatist groups fight security forces belonging to Republic worlds, with the Jedi and Judicial Forces only bring calked for extreme cases. The Republic would also take years to build up a military and that itself may not happen. The Senate was divided until the droid army was revealed along with the clone army. Otherwise the Military Creation Act could have gone either way.

Since they aren’t the main antagonist, they don’t have to be ridiculously incompetent

Ep 3 definitely the best so far. Loved it

There's a benefit to Losing You have to learn from Your Mistakes Megamind

The few i know of start and end the same as this bad batch episode.

Part of me wonders if the Republic for the first two years of the war kind of fought like the Rebellion. Smaller forces needing to utilize hit and run tactics to weaken the Droid Army and Navy overtime.

@@tristankawatsuma8962 yeah. I think the Republic knew about their immediate disadvantage and just tried to fight in a more guerrilla style earlier on before getting the confidence to go more all out.

@@Brosowski I have to wonder which planetary defense forces won completely on their own. Sure, many of them lost like on Ryloth and Christophsis, but maybe some eon without the help of the clones and the Jedi.

@@tristankawatsuma8962 And in Legends, later in the war, the help that the clones gave was mostly training. A team of clones would come in, teach the locals how to shoot a blaster, work as a team, make good plans, and cope with those plans falling apart (or teach them how to do these things better than they could before), then go to the next planet and do the same.

It was the weakest episode of the series so far, but I enjoyed the high-stakes racing and do appreciate Tech being the hero for once.

Good for tech’s development but it’s not an important episode in the season.

Not one of my favorites but I still really enjoyed it!

I enjoyed it overall. It did some worldbuilding, gave Tech some of the spotlight, and gave us an emotional break from the recent, heavier episodes.