Why employers are souring on Ivy League graduates 

All the big high-tech companies interview at U of Waterloo and 99% of people have never heard of it. Why? Because Uni level academics is a pure meritocracy in Canada to get in and stay in. After all, would you rather hire someone with a legacy / sports entry into Harvard who has a BA. or someone who fought their way thru a well-regarded comp sci, engineering school with a two thirds attrition rate.

Exactly

Those “non” Ivy Leaugers have to prove themselves … I can say as a Gen x’er with no college degree. Grateful for my success, but I had to work harder to prove myself, because in the back of my head I always felt “less than” due to my insecurity about people with degrees, that drive gave me the fire in my belly. To this day, most people think I have a degree, so I I never sit back and cruise, I’m always learning to stay relevant. Interesting though to see the changes in the new mindset about higher education.

@@whyamiheredlb Many college graduates are doing the same thing, trying to pay back their student loans.

Those guys you didn’t hire went back to their compfy club unis and became the tenured professors we see today camping at Columbia…..bravo 🇺🇸🦨

We face a new challenge every day. The new normal is this. We now see that this is the new normal and must adjust, having initially believed it to be a catastrophe. Across the country, this year will be quite painful economically.

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When I was in the Army, the worse were the shaved tail 2 LT's with ivy league degrees.

Actually the 2008 financial crisis was largely brought to you thanks to Ivy League graduates.

Amen. Bunch of arrogant ring knockers

Not saying anything derogatory here but my life observation is those with very high intelligence seem more often to have less common sense. Many people in my life have been exceedingly intelligent... Phd's, MIT and Harvard grads, Astrophycist, High level tech, etc.. Just my observation.

Exactly…4+4=8 at Harvard…Yale and every city…public..small town college/university….some of the kids are accepted due to their financial..family ties…..

Well said

"The Shreiking Yallie" was a watershed moment.

100% , happens in industry as well , sure path to failure is to rest on a good reputation but do nothing to maintain that reputation. Graduating young adults are the " product" that a college produces. If the quality goes down , folks stop buying.

Edward Dutton has explained the history of this one, finishing schools can become exactly that again.

@@churblefurbles ahh a frequenter of the public house I see.

Correct

Facts

@lemmdus2119 I like DEI. Helps to break up the good Ole Boys Monopoly. Smart people of every race. Women are smart too!!!

You mean like Carol Swain?

@psychedelicspirituality I mean like the women who would work for places for years. Know all the in and outs and then was asked to "train" a man to be the manager.

U of O law school is no joke. I once served on a board with a professor there. He recounted a story how in one of his law seminars, one of the students was called on to discuss the reading and admitted he hadn't finished all of the reading, and didn't know the answer. When this happened a second time, the professor informed the student he had flunked the class.

law school is not that tough, but it's extra easy if your school is too preftigious to believe in grades...

The Harvard Law grads I worked with were brilliant. I found it very soothing to be around people you didn't have to explain things to five times and still not be sure they understood.

So much of law is actually jurisprudence which requires computer skills and also spelling and grammatical skills. I found Ivy League graduates needed considerable remedial training before they were of much use to any firm.

@Curmudgeon2 I think U of Chicago may be objectively the best. It may not be listed in first place, but I know where I'd want to go. Virginia is still great --- Michigan and Berkeley as well. A top grad from any of those can write their own ticket.

FACTS!!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Awesome!

Are you talking about Harvard Medical School? Elite universities are more than just about humanities dude. Has anyone in your family been cured of cancer? You can thanks these elites you now want to shut down. Ever had a family member have a organ transplant? You can thank Harvard medical school. America is turning into a Maoist country where scientists are silences and black listed like you are doing

Like what?

​@@NinjaThatLongboardswoke nonsense. I head hunt for a Fortune 50 company and schools with that reputation are blacklisted.

@@neonnoir9692 sure you do. Those companies are full of ivy league grads

​@@neonnoir9692Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis both graduated from ivy league schools. Are you suggesting that they're both woke?

​@@neonnoir9692also Trump graduated from an ivy league school, is Trump woke?

You have to do the work regardless. Caottails are irrelevant in that regard.

Right!

​@@patland1762 spoken like a true coat-tail rider, good job ol boy

​@@patland1762not today, they lower standards so disadvantaged demographics can compete. Hahahaha

@@user-ol9bo2ei1r so you’re telling me it’s what you know not who you know

Rich and smart parents who write a lot of their kids' research and term papers.

Over 20 percent of the student body at Columbia isJewish. And even they know the war is wrong

Some kids need help and if the parents can, then all is fair. I'll write my kids resume if I want them to succeed!

And that's the issue here,they don't have any work ethic because their parents did all the work for them💯🤷🤷🤷

Or good scholarships. Without that assist, I could not have gone to college. I was from a rural Ohio village.

Brought to you by state mouth-piece for fascist America, MSNBC.

It’s a 4 year long rich people dating party.

You speak reality, not the fantasy, my friend !

Exactly, at one point it was an easy way to identify those deemed acceptable into their circles.

As it should be.

I wish that were true. Many firms will reject resumes unless you go to a "target" school, where they actively recruit on campus. And this edge follows them all through life. I even saw how a Harvard grad got special treatment over a local grad with more relevant experience in INDONESIA. There's a reason they charge the fees they do, it's about ROI after graduation, rather than a quality premium.

I was looking at a job that paid 40k and they were asking for a bachelors degree. Insane.

​@taliaeve969 there's jobs requiring a BA for under 30k around my area. Absolutely bonkers.

@@mirn62 yay… no. If any one takes that job and they have a BA they are fools. I personally wouldn’t take a job under 60k entry level if I had that kind of education.

Any college period. College is not only a scam, but an indoctrination center

Schlump proves that. Penn Wharton School of Business.

@@kbrewski1 yeah, but at least he has a work ethic and most IVy League brats don’t.

@@raevj "Work ethic"? He played golf almost every day while he was President. While tens of thousands of people were dying because of Covid.

​@@raevjNot true. I worked at a top lawfirm that hired predominantly from the Ivys and believe me, EVERYONE was putting in the hours.

Well. I cannot say anything about employers. From my personal experience, since my cousins were accepted by Princeton, I had a very hard time to deal with my aunt and uncle who are full of over-flowed pride. It IS toxic to work or live with proud persons.

Ivy leagues cost the same as other private universities so what are you talking about?

Rabid stereotyping. Where did you get your info? Certainly not from the stats.

Not true. I paid for my Ivy League college education all by myself. Loans and many, many jobs.

@@hesterprynne5965 exactly. This current trend of thinking anyone that attends an Ivy is somehow a spoiled rich kid is ridiculous. The work that goes into getting there is incredible and for the most part extremely well deserved.

Or the tax payer.. seriously some of these kids basically get paid just to go to college.

The government

Every college indoctrinates you. Dumb comment.

Yes we don't want some one waving a Rainbow, Ukraine and Hamas flags. They won't work, like protesting and they are really liking Basements.

This panel loves hearing the sound of their own voices. Such drivel. Talk about no common sense. No wonder people don’t watch MSNBC anymore.

@@vitaminckillscovid103 Which government?

Democrats have been fighting to keep power since Lincoln fought to free slaves. They will not, will not give up.

Vote MAGA

You mean: with no internet, 3 channels, a population 4/9 as large as now, with an average of 9 acres per person, instead of only 4, fertility rates that were actually *over* replacement levels in most countries - in contrast to now - no confusion on which gender was which, machine intelligence but a faint premonition, gas station attendants, people who actually *walked* outside, obesity a rare phenomenon rather than *half* the population, with colleges that were $100 a semester? It all looks the same, just like that? Yeah, that's what we call being a Boomer, or in your case, early-stage-X-cosplaying-Boomer. That's practically a Boomer trope, "everything's the same as it always was", which is just a fancy defense-mechanism way of expressing head-in-the-sand denial and Future Shock. As for the "Why can't we learn?" trope (i.e. "Those who don't learn from history repeat it"): history is nothing but a self-contradictory jumble of unrelated facts. Example: "Never fight a land war in Asia" ... Alexander The Great: "Hold My Beer. 22-0, the Rocky Marciano Of Warriors!" [and Kandahar - in case anyone forgot - *both is and means* "Alexandria".] Those who walk backwards in time looking at history for guidance shall suffer the curse of being blindsided from behind by the future. The future is not a logical consequence of the present or past and can only ever be accurately and correctly seen by precognition, such as may exist, and by no other means, whatsoever. And those who derive "lessons" from the self-contradictory hypothesis of history are committing the p-hacking form of deception known as the Lie By Omission.

Unfortunately, we almost had a good time for a bit through the 90's when our friend groups were naturally diverse, we all teased and made of fun of each other and laughed about it. Feminism, gays/trans and blacks won equal rights. What everyone is calling "systematic racism" is usually just dirty cops, poorly trained cops and terrible prosecutors and judges who are looking for wins and not justice...thank our media and politicians for keeping the division and hate alive... I'm with Morgan Freeman, if you want it to stop, stop talking about it...and the Israel/Palestine thing is ridiculous because before Israel there was Judea...JUDEA...as in the land of the JEWS...smh

Zionism

And they avoid jewish students protesting peacefully.

The ability to come up with the correct number, is more important than being a charming communicator. Most large companies provide ongoing training.

All the big high-tech companies interview at U of Waterloo and 99% of people have never heard of it. Why? Because Uni level academics is a pure meritocracy in Canada to get in and stay in. After all, would you rather hire someone with a legacy / sports entry into Harvard who has a BA. or someone who fought their way thru a well-regarded comp sci, engineering school with a two thirds attrition rate.

​@@TheTruth-cg8vjWhere do you find a well regarded engineering school?

It always will be. The most important skills you can possess is exceptional verbal and written communication…..and you don’t need to go to an Ivy league school to acquire that. As a matter of fact, it’s actually something you’re born with. You can make someone who is lacking those skills improve but it’s really a God given ability.

​@larryjones9773 Liberal arts majors are not prohibited from taking mathematics, you know. They may be short on lab sciences and applied sciences, but the best ones take calculus and advanced statistics, and a programming class or a CAD class. You must not know a lot of high achievers. Ever heard of Stanford's Symbolic Systems major? Very lib arts heavy.

Their prestige was always based on money an exclusion. Never merit.

True BECAUSE OF PEOPLE OF COLOR GETTING IN ON COLOR AND NOT MERIT. PROFESSORS TOO AND LOTS OF PROFESSORS FROM MIDDLE EAST/AFRICAN RADICAL COUNTRIES

As an employer, this is true. I want someone who can complete tasks on time, and efficiently. I dont care if you came from a trailer park, or went to Yale.

Absolutely true! Corporations don’t care about anyone!

The illusion the market

Not true for all Ivy League grads. Not true for me.

Western Capitalistic Meritocracy is practically an oxymoron at this point.

@@joshuahall1581 Lemme guess? You’re a pro DEI socialist?

Nope. I went to Yale and my family was strictly middle class.

My son went to UVA, brother to Brown, Cousin to MIT.. Once in everyone graduates.

I disagree. I learned more about writing in one year, taking one class per semester at a highly prestigious, *private* art school as a student-at-large, than in three years of law school at a very good state university. It was eye-opening all right. I had no idea what money buys. There are truly outstanding professors everywhere, and high school teachers as well, but in some places, it's hit or miss --- and online reviews are often worthless or misleading.

This is probably the most rational, impartial, and pragmatic take in the comments on this issue. Thank you.

Used both brain cells for this didn't you? Did your mommy give you some crackers and kool aid after?

I'm sure it depends where you're apply.

I work for a corporate outfit involved in American healthcare. Leadership has asked us to document our preferred pronouns in our email signatures.

@@captainspacebones3795 And if you don’t have preferred pronouns you shouldn’t have to add them.

@@roejogan7770 no one was compelled to use preferred pronouns. It was more so we were given an option to add it to our signatures. I'm like one of the small handful of people in my area that choose to add he/him to my signature.

Um, the Ivy League schools don't teach engineering. You need to go to a school like MIT or CalTech for that. Ivy League undergrad are liberal arts colleges.

@@jdulmaine Cornell engineering is a top 5 CS school??

Unless you are one of the hard-working people of color who could only get into the schools based on actual merit... Not privelege, connections, and/or money.

Not rich but if you got it use it.

Take out a STUDENT LOAN, acquire a BACHELOR'S degree in METAPHYSICS DRAMA, elect a jOE bIDEN to forgive the Loan, and WELLLAH, Ivy we ALL GO‼️

Boston College isn't Ivy League but it is still an expensive school that isn't easy to get into.

UW-Madison is a Public Ivy and classified as R1 University

@@ThroughTheHaze Thank you for supporting my point

@@FHi349 Thank you for supporting my point

Although Penn is considered an Ivy League school, it's not as elite as Harvard and Yale.

The Vietnam and Iraq wars were architected by Ivy League grads.

How many people in the executive ranks of MSNBC and CNN are ivy league grads?

I guess that explains DeSantis.

@@toddsheridan9113 Watch Sean Hannity. Trump selected him as top-level presidential house painter.

"Ted Cruz". LOL

No it's not

you will lose your license and work support when supporting isreali government and geeen ocide is turned against over here. Just watch Rachelle. You are inhumane.

And lets not forget "DEATH TO AMERICA" chants of these pampered lil' narcissists !

Thats just not true. Many of the activists protesting are Jews who are outraged that atrocities are being carried out in their name by a brutal settler-colonialist regime.

Full circle. Went from protest genocide caused by Israel to wanting a genocide on Israel. The irony

Why is he looking like he's already been embalmed?!

More like a bobble-head Al Sharpton doll.

Al Sharpton has been a walking septic tank for years!😮

I miss Rush Limbaugh's audio spoof of Sharpton and his bullhorn.

@@angieponders3844 😂😂😂😂😂

When I thought of applying to the Ivy's, the majority of the application was dedicated to you listing how many of your family members had attended. I didn't even bother filling it out. If they cared more about them than me, then they were living in the past amd resting on their laurels.

Ain't that the truth! however, the monsters running the show today are those same peace love and pineapple hippies and freedom fighters now turned greedy, narcissistic and manic

How are they idiots protesting a genocide

Why? Both are in the right

Wrong! The students of '68 are the teachers who produced the idiots of today.

@@afridgetoofar1818both are wrong and embarrassing themselves … historical failures

I went to state college. They were not rich but many cheated too.

Potential employers now scour the social media accounts of the applicants. The degrees of some mean nothing when they make idiots of themselves on SM.

Agreed! Don't open any doors for them. They'll seek any chance to interrupt business, sabotage, and revenge. Don't hire them!

Community colleges and also tech schools are great places for employers to search for new hires.

And too busy working to pay for their schooling.

Exactly!

A basic garbage heap ...

True. They don’t get degrees for hiring skin, like demokkkrats

I thank you for this because I am a community college professor. Trust me, we're not here for the money. We're here for the love of our students. I appreciate your point of view and thank you once again

Maybe. Every group of people is the same, some good some bad. Villifying groups of people...I'm against it.

@@1963sz All the work and not much of the glory. You are appreciated. I am in my late 60s now and I know dozens and dozens of people educated through the community college system. They are all doing great.

I disagree on that started off in community college have my MBA and working on my second masters at Georgetown. I'm grateful to be were I'm at today.

I think the reverend knows who signs his paycheck.

That and they are used to being pampered. In my work experience, I was not very impressed with the coworkers who went to private universities (had rich parents). They seem to have a harder time competing in the chaotic, real work world. My ophthalmologist is a graduate of Harvard Medical School. She's made some critical errors and I'm losing confidence in her.

"don't murder kids" woah, you snot brained elite!

Do you even know a single ivy leage college graduate lol

@@la6136 there's been a few throughout my life unfortunately

@@larryjones9773 They make terrible resort owners like Bluefin Bay resort on Lake Superior.

Frankly the *"IDEALOGS"* pushing DEM ideas is right *HERE* , same channel, at ALL TIMES and *EVERY "DAMNED" DAY* ‼️ Nothing changes, even with whom THEY choose to *HATE* ‼️

Maybe some *FBI "IN'PLANTS"* like that January 6 THINGY‼️ RIGHT⁉️

I feel like we have a culture of protesting now. it started in 2020 and it's been non stop ever since. was it like that then? I just feel like Even if you have a legitimate reason to protest now, people aren't paying attention cuz they've been burnt out from the constant crying from somebody, that we don't listen anymore. 15 years ago. I was in college and thought it was cool and progressive , now I just assume it's a kid who doesn't have much else to do

​@@LucaJacobson8168atleast they took it to where it mattered. didn't trash their own towns or buildings or get in anyone's way. Maybe Biden would actually listen if they did

I no longer watch American media.

MSNBC at it's BEST ‼️🙄

Free speech and the right to protest hasn't gone away..these protests have a different dynamic from all previous protest.. its over a conflict that is happening 1/2 world away ..back then collage protests during Vietnam was because young Americans soldiers were dying in a civil war that many saw as unessasary and not a USA problem..

I agree. Even if I don’t agree with the message (regardless of whether it is hate-filled or not), as an American I strongly defend their write to speak their mind. The only time I don’t support that speech is when is ceases to be speech… violence against others and property damage are not “speech.” But as long as the kids on college campuses are doing what college kids always do in times of war (see Vietnam… it was literally the exact same thing), I’m fine with it. The only reason this is in the media is because both sides want to use the spectacle to rile up their bases and turn it into some big political opportunity. It’s very self-serving. The kids are protesting because they feel passionately about this stuff. MSNBC and Fox only sound as much air time as they do so they can selectively show the few bad actors and sew anger and among their viewers to keep ratings high. I’m a capitalist just like most other Americans, but the desire for profit really seems to far outweigh the goal of creating and keeping a happy, satisfied, respectful and tolerant society. How long before we can vote out the extremists in Congress and get younger, better options for President? We’re due a reprieve from all this political nonsense.

@@Reserch.and.qustion.everthingI’m not entire,y sure that’s accurate. For sure, some people were protesting the war because they didn’t think America should have been there and didn’t want to get sent to war themselves. But many also protested because they thought war in general is a senseless act that just leads to death on both sides, both soldiers and civilians alike. So in that respect, I think the Israel protests are similar to the Vietnam ones. Interestingly, you don’t really hear about college kids protesting about us funding Ukraine so it can defend itself against Russia. I think the reason is because in the Israeli conflict, while Israel is literally defending itself after it was attacked, the response has been pretty disproportionate and there is a lot of coverage of Palestinian civilian deaths. I would be curious to see if the protests would die down if Biden said that we’re cutting funding and military aid to Israel until is provides a written and enforceable agreement that says that it will carry out its military campaign in a way that will severely reduce the amount of civilian casualties. Israel can still go after Hamas, but it will have to do so in a more targeted and deliberate way. This will undoubtedly take longer for Israel to accomplish its goal of completely dismantling Hamas, but it may quell the protests and get people back to supporting Israel. Either way, I’m looking forward to all of these global conflicts ending. Hopefully that will be soon. We’ll see…

​@@Reserch.and.qustion.everthingit is a USA problem because our tax dollars are going to it

​@@Reserch.and.qustion.everthing The genocide is being done with our tax dollars. Our kids and grand children will be paying for this genocide. So yes it is our problem

So you buy a pound of meat without knowing it's weight? If you want intelligent incomming students you give them a test to measure their level of intelligence, simple.

To keep standards? Look up McManaras morons during the Vietnam war and the danger of not holding standards

Maybe because the US population documented is 300 million now and there is still only 8 original ivies. There has to be some ways to weed out people. Life is never supposed to be fair. If you truly make it to there then you are part of the elites.

Please explain why.

All the big high-tech companies interview at U of Waterloo and 99% of people have never heard of it. Why? Because Uni level academics is a pure meritocracy in Canada to get in and stay in. After all, would you rather hire someone with a legacy / sports entry into Harvard who has a BA. or someone who fought their way thru a well-regarded comp sci, engineering school with a two thirds attrition rate.

@@hesterprynne5965 They are very hard to deal with, full of pride and hard to negotiate.

You just proved the point

That's why I'm HERE, MSNBC, I hear what they allows me to hear and everything suddenly becomes CLEAR ‼️🤗

What are your feelings? 😅

Pretty poor outlook on life there. A defeatist attitude that I'm sure will take you far. Far into the unemployment line. LOL.

Pay back your student loan!

You got that right! No doubt about it. No more fair wages out there

@@lucycan6363 What is the definition of a “fair wage?”

@@wackedoutonweed I'm retired, MAGApath. But scurry off to work. The masters are cracking their whips. Hurry, hurry.

Wrong. They have the money and don’t give it…maybe 10 percent. Get those scholarships.

@@threetimesfinal1618 Well, I went to Yale, so I should know. But don't believe me, check it out for yourself.

So should Joe. But he's still such a dyed in the wool republican it wouldn't get thru.😊

Go to Oregon State University Medical School or Oklahoma State University Medical School?

@@FHi349 the Ohio State University hospital.

We were warned. "Albert Einstein Letter to the New York Times"

Congratulations to your Dad! I'm working on my dissertation now - not from an Ivy League school. Don't worry about not attending Harvard or Yale - employers aren't impressed. Good luck to you!!

YT will erase your comment in three...two...

@@winstonsmith6607true

Yes for sure

@@winstonsmith6607 Mostly Peacful Terrorists yelling DEATH TO AMERICA!!!

WRONG. Biden's spokesman said there is ZERO evidence of that.

Correction not "best and brightest" but "privileged and connected". There's a huge difference.

​@@JohnVianneyPatronNot all of the students, plenty get in with merit.

I went to a public ivy; UVA, which is highly competitive. Even I can admit only public ivies are legitimate in their education. Private ivies such as Yale and UPenn are nothing more than playgrounds for people with money to get connected with each other.

@@ahappilydrunkpuppy8961 Do you know anyone from Yale or UPenn though? Ivies are not useless, even if they aren't worth the full tuition. If you can get a hefty scholarship they're definitely a good option.

@@leguminous7564 Yes, actually. Most people from private ivies are not intelligent people. They use the school name as some kind of badge of honor. For example that is actually legitimate, when I am part of the hiring process, a lot of people from private ivies havent done or accomplished anything besides going there and using it as some kind of title that is supposed to automatically get them hired. A more specific example that was an actual event, a guy from Princeton interviewed and he was pretty much a bonehead. He interviewed terribly and it sounds he didnt do much or anything AT ALL while at Princeton, no engaging projects or courses. In fact, he mainly mentioned events from HIGHSCHOOL when being interviewed. Harvard and MIT is the only private ivies that produce intelligent people and help forge the best of the best.

The expression is, the fact of the matter, not the factor of the matter

It is to partially hide identity from the pictures and press.

One mask wearing student said they didn’t want to be identified and risk the consequences of their actions. So brave …

Just don't hire'em!

Well you're at the right place, MSNBC. Don't fret, more coming, STAY TUNED ‼️😉

What is "intitled"?

Some irony there. The very issue they protested in 1968 is what gave them the moral ground to demand the voting age be lowered to 18 -- military draft for a crap war.

No, the primary difference between 68 and this is that young college Americans were seeing many of their friends go to fight a War halfway across the World for no apparent reason other than the silly War Hawk chant of "stopping the Commie Red Wave" and the utterly stupid Domino Theory, and coming home in body bags by the tens of thousands. They wanted to put an end to an American War to save American lives (and needless civilian lives in Vietnam). In this current campus debate, you've got Muslim Palestinian supporters who want to wipe Isreal off the map, they want revenge and MORE WAR, you've got Israeli Jews who are against their own country because Netanyahu is a right wing war hawk going too far,and youve got students on both sides who just want peace. It doesn't directly involve US troops, and the US is trying to tamp down Isreal and get humanitarian aid to Gaza. The lines are all blurred in this mess.

He has no etiquette!

I have heard some interviews with these protesters and let me tell you: one thing Kamala Harris was right about is when she said (discussing 18-24 year olds): They are STUPID! With great emphasis on 'stupid'.

Only you are one of them and you will never be in the position of hiring anyone!🤣