why entry level jobs aren't entry level 

Dream job would have to be violinist in the orchestra pits of Broadway shows

I think I’d like to be a teacher. It seems POG

I am currently striving to be a high school counselor. Now I know it's not a six digit salary kind of dream job, but it's been my calling since I was a high schooler.

my dream job would be an elementary school teacher in a quiet, diverse town

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and here i thought entry level meant "we are advertising a job, to satisfy federal equality laws, but don't intend to hire you, unless you fill that race/gender slot we need for government money....."

@@mikewhitaker2880 no that would be better then what we actually have right now.

Every wage is always the lowest wage possible. You think your boss give you a raise out of the goodness of his heart? You think a bunch of managers sit around and figure what’s the cheapest they can make a team and then put 10% on top? Your employer by definition pays you less than you are worth. Why else would they pay you if you make them less money than you are worth.

@@KarimElHayawan I disagree with just about anything you just said but only because of the second part. Under total capitalism what you said is true you will be payed the bare minimum while still working but in our current world and a world we should strive for you it should be impossible to pay some of the wages we do now and there will be less of a delta between how much profit you generate for the company and how much money you get.

Interviewer: You need 5 years worth of experience plus a certificate, do you have it?

Makes me think of one time when we were crossing the border and the guard asked my husband where he worked, so he answered, and then the guard asked WHY he worked. My husband was like...uh...to pay for food??

I hate this question with a PASSION!

i hate that question so much, like why do you think???

I honestly hate this question but I've decided to try to reword it to "so why this business specifically?" As if they were asking me why didn't you go for the place down the street instead. It's helped me answer better but doesn't mean I don't hate this question any less.

then the "job demand" will just finish.

Disagree. People use the term subjectively. Some describe "entry level" as relevant to their industry whereas others describe it as a bagger at a grocery store or a server. One could argue an analyst or associate on Wall Street are entry level, which they are, and even though no work experience is required they're still very competitive and difficult jobs to get. Plus if you want to be an associate you need an MBA and prior work experience in other industries will look favorable to you compared to just intern experience in an analyst position. End of the day if you want more experienced candidates for your entry level position and you want to wait longer for that candidate to become available that's fine. You may miss out on a great candidate or you may dodge someone a bad one.

Sure, but when people are sorting through applications, they will hire people with experience over no experience every time. It’ll just go Unspoken.

They're just going to tell the hr people to use a different term xD

​​---entry level--- "low speclization"

I've called people liars directly to thier faces. "You're gonna sit there publish an ad for a entry job no experience then yell at me for no experience?! The only liar here is you lady. This is practically false advertising"

i got so mad when i applied to target once. i checked every box except unloader, i wont take pay that bad for a job that bad. i get a call for an interview for 'one of the positions i applied to' so i show up. first off, the lady said i would only get 20-24hrs a week and 'whatever minimum wage is' so before i walked away based on the offensively bad pay, i asked 'well which job would this be for' and of course her response was 'truck unloader is all we have available for you' at that point i was done. i got up and said 'why the hell did you even call me' as i walked twards out for some reason she was actually shocked, she showed no interest at all in hiring me, seemed like she was just there because she drew the short straw, but me rejecting her seemed to actually wake her up a bit. thankfully i dont work retail or anything similar to it anymore. its a good place to start, and if youre on hard times it makes sense to take something, but its really not something most people should stick to

@@bradhaines3142 Smart Seriously thst job is back breaking labor for pennies. I'm not afraid of hard work I'm afraid of terrible pay.

That’s not entirely out of bounds. A fresh graduate would have had at least one job as a teenager

@@jth_printed_designs excuse you, it most certainly is out of line. They literally said no experience was needed and training would be provided. Words have objective meaning regardless of your worldview and expectations. Also, to your point about most teens having had a job, that's laughably false. Actual government data shows that less than 33% of 16-19 year olds have jobs, part-time or full-time. It only goes over 50% when you extend the range to include people up to age 24.

The most obvious solution is.. outsource to a another country.

The last one especially!

U a real one!!

I mean what they _want_ is a slave. But only the prison system legally allows for it, so they have to take the next best form of exploitation.

@@heedmywarning2792 that’s exactly why businesses make those listings- they want to say they “couldn’t find an American to do this job” and they bring in an immigrant on an H1-B visa to do the job. The immigrants get no benefits and a very small amount of money, since the visa is the pay. The immigrants are being exploited and Americans are being robbed of opportunities.

This need a highlight

I've read somewhere really interesting thing that in 2008 when economic crisis happened the job market was filled with professional people who had ton of experience. So since then, this ruined the job search for young, inexperienced people. And business started saving money and exploiting workers by pushing the idea that you need to volunteer or do internship for free to get a paying job. And these options are not affordable for majority of young people nowadays, because you still have to make money to survive. So most poor young people get stuck at retail or hospitality

@@zaliaLP Yeah and there are still people who believe those retail/hospitality jobs are only for teenagers with no bills and thus don't deserve to be compensated at a livable rate regardless of them being full time, high stress and strain jobs often enough (and that many adults of all age ranges work these jobs now).

@@Kilmoran 100%! It also adds that schools push all of their students to apply for uni/collage, because "if you don't get that degree you'll be a loser". In reality all they care about is school ratings. I literally remember my math teacher bullying those who were not good at math, saying that they are going to end up cleaning the streets. And not for one second we thought that hey, why these jobs are so demonised and underpaid. Why we all have to be "successful career people" to have a decent life?

@@zaliaLP College, in the end, is about pursuing the academic side of the world. It is not job training and unfortunately, as you just expressed, it is situated and perpetuated as if it is. It /can/ lead to better-paying work /if/ you are given an opportunity through either the diploma or, far more likely, the connections and resources gained through the process, but it absolutely is not in and of itself a path to work. As you also mentioned, the devaluing of necessary jobs (ironically) is prolific, but there is the middle ground of blue-collar which is so fundamentally and infrastructurally underserved that college still appears to be the only real option for "success". Merit and work are simply not (and rarely has been). This is not something we cannot fix... To the benefit of the powerful business interests in fact, but the resistance of allowing people to have a path to gain or prove their ability is for whatever reason locked behind the presumption of a lack of some natural ability or circumstance. It is bizarre to me.

It was an api called "fastapi". Good meme, terrible situation

Capitalism summed up

They literally lost the creator of said language due to their incompetence.

I heard that story, didn't know they literally made the language

Same story with DevOps in many Eastern European countries. Some companies wanted 5 years of experience for a methodology and skillset that solidifed only 3 years prior.

I hate my life.

@@xotwod3254 me too

Me three.

Amazing to see they’ll say it straight up, it boils my blood to sift through marketing jobs that advertise “for recent grads” and yet want you to do everything under the sun (and it better be perfect and don’t expect training or support)

Exactly. I don't be getting hired for jobs that are so simple and straight forward a college grad could def do it. It just sucks out Here.

Actually i think the most human thing there is. “If you don’t provide value for me, go somewhere else.” Do you want a friend or partner that brings nothing to the table and instead expects you to start all the conversations, be the one to invite them out all the time, and generally do everything to keep the friendship/relationship alive? You have to do your part to, or else it’s one sided and unfair.

@@avpthegreat But this isn’t a relationship like with a friend or partner. Your employer is someone who pays you and provides your livelihood. There is an inherent power dynamic that is not (or should not be) there with a friend/partner. They are supposed to be your mentor. They are investing in you, which is supposed to benefit both sides. It’s dehumanizing because all they see is how much something will profit them. They don’t care if you’re willing to learn and dedicate yourself. Like the video said, they don’t see you as a human-something that grows and evolves over time. They see you as an expendable part that fits into machine NOW.

@@gaaralvr4695 Employment can be an investment but it’s also a risk. If you aren’t convincing a potential employer that you can bring value to the table, then they’ll take the guy who can. So not only do you have to convince the employer you’re right for the job, you also have to convince them you’re better than the 50 other guys applying for that same position. Dating and to an extent, friendships, function in a similar way. You have to come across as a positive, interesting person or else no one will surround themselves with you. Time and money are finite resources, and human beings make decisions daily about what to spend those resources on. As far as profit goes, of course profit matters, it’s a company. If they hired people willy-nilly, the company goes under and EVERYONE loses their jobs. Did you think about that? Maybe try and consider the bigger picture here.

@@avpthegreat Hiring everyone =/= making the hiring standards what they were before the recession. The problem here isnt that it's not feasible for employers to hire entry level workers, its that they got spoiled on hiring skilled workers that were out of jobs due to economic downturn and dont want to go back despite the change in climate. Also the relationship thing is false equivalence. An employer in no way resembles a boyfriend or a friend. They're more like a trade partner. The trade is, my time for your money. Ideally, an emloyee would be able to negotiate reasonable pay, as would be with trade but this is not the case and there in lies the problem. The employers have forgotten their responsiblity to society via the employed. Their role is to provide for those that generate value for them so that they can in turn generate value for society through commerce. This cant happen if employers put their bottom line before everything else.

@@avpthegreat Also hiring a few entry levels that dont pan out well isnt going to pull a company under. Its actually not very costly on the company's end to simply fire workers that dont meet up to the standard and hire new ones. This is mostly because the applicant pool is massive and entry level positions really dont require much in the way of expensive training.

And then they have the audacity to call us lazy and stupid amongst their endless criticising. Say anything to that generation though and they explode. Like typical bullies, they can dish it out but they can't take it.

I CANNOT WAIT until my Dad retires and FINALLY sees what I’ve been trying to tell him about the job market. Hes a classic Boomer who got a job right our of school and climbed the corporate ladder. He has too much experience now, on the other end, but it’ll be just as troublesome. I’m not going to even need to say I told you so because he’s going to get that a soon as he starts applying.

Maybe you shouldn't of gone to college and seen how it's a poor investment? Never went to college, instead spent the last decade to get a variety of work experience and now I have a relatively high tier job.

@@zachburskey8868 College was very worth it for me. I wouldn't have the job I love without it. But I'm all for anyone finding their own path, college or no.

@@PogieJoe Fair enough, college is a good route for realistic careers. But I get frustrated with how much debt the college fad creates. Also how many people went to college for years and don't work in the field they studied and instead work at managers at restaurants. The biggest person I know that had a rags to riches story was a guy who got a HVC license and now takes month long vacations in south America at his vacation house every year.

The new american dream

You had too much experience and they knew you wouldn't take the pay they could offer you. The only reason I know is because i went to an interview, once I found out the pay I declined it. They told me the they knew I would because of my experience.

You should have fuckin humiliated those evil ducks

YES! ❤

Should have kept on agreeing to meetings and never showing and finally sending them why afterwards and they should be ashamed of themselves for burning this bridge with you.

Welcome to the world, this happened 40 years ago. In some jobs, they say non intern. I graduated in 92. It took me forever. I finally found a crappy job. I had to work 12 hours a day, programming, support, data entry, receptionist, etc. I had to multi task every second. The pay was 4 dollars above minimum wage Without OT pay. The company was dying. I had to spend time finding old keywords, mice, hardware to replace the broken ones. After 10 months, I found another entry level job. The manager actually said this is an entry level job with 2+ year experience. Anyway, I kept changing jobs. I had worked in entry-level job for 6 years. That's ok, I kept getting pay raise. Some people are lucky. They find the real entry level jobs in big corporations . Most people have to start at sweat shops Oh, I heard a lot people graduated from UCLA, UC Irvine computer science with many intern, tutor, non profit non paid job experience, part time low pay IT jobs, they were still considered 0 year experience

The IQ tests made me feel stupid after a while, so I cursed everyone of those and applied to another company.

@@commentorsilensor3734 I'll add on to that. I graduated with a programming degree in 2003, and I was a temp until late 2021. That's even below entry-level, when you don't know where your paycheck is coming from in a couple months.

Its because they want you to know an abyss of IT information without training you for it. The people who know the information they wanted moved on xD

I'm at the point in my life that I have picked up so many hobbies and so much experience through life and working with others on random projects from building arcade cabinets to building cars, working with distribution partners to get custom orders done etc. not to mention being a programmer fluent in c++ with a degree in computer science and an electrical engineer Most job listings these days straight up do not respond to me period, because I know my value and my worth as an employee and they know that I am educated enough to know when they are exploiting and abusing employees and breaking laws

Lol for reals. I miss my old boss because she was so real. She told me during my interview that she didn’t give a crap about the resumes she wanted to know the person and asked me really why I wanted to work at the dumpy company I was applying to. I said: “okay honestly, I have a huge employment gap from being my mom’s caretaker and need the experience and money.”

Ya considering you've probably never even heard of them until their company name pops up in a job listing 5 hours old on indeed

@@Saturn890 Bruh, being a caretaker for your mom is a job. It took effort, compassion, and time. It also shows you are a loyal person. Put it on your resume and use "life and work experience" to broaden the scope of your experience section.

True. Their companies are fancy and nice. But I wouldn't care for our unless you hired me, even then I don't really care about the company. So, I always have the urge to say "money' when they ask those questions.

@@manga626 I’ve always wanted to reply with 1) pay off my rent 2) pay off my student loans 3) buy myself something nice 😂

Ah yes, the API that you were supposed to be using before it was developed...

Also employers: why is it so difficult to find quality candidates?

Did you mean flutter? 🤭

Looking for blockchain developer. Must have 20 years experience with blockchain.

And this is international. In fact I actually went through yet another attempt at job hunting this year and... It sucked.

I think it because business becomes more international and your boss can hire people around the world , has access to cheap labor force from Asia. I guess we need old fasion cold war with China and brics.

That’s why Made in Asia often wins, because ppl like you can only think of barricading yourself from them, but too lazy to think of outcompeting them.😂

We have a much more skilled economy now and employers know that they can always find someone with that experience who can hit the ground running. I have also noticed that when employers say that they are going to train you, most don't really mean it. What they really do is throw you to the wolves and leave you on an island by yourself. Back in the 90's, when they said training would be provided to get you up to speed, most employers meant it.

@@themetalhead1463 The job market has replaced the role of natural selection.

Everyone and their mother having a college degree has made them worthless. Jobs that hardly require a pulse, much less a GED or HS diploma, now require a Bachelor's. The government student loan program has utterly destroyed the workforce balance in the US, not to mention sent tuition rates to the moon and back.

College is a scam. Pure and simple

He's right you know

Trade school is a option, but nobody give a shit. Only Med school are descent and don't follow the shit tendency from nowaday.

You paying them to give the college certificate that you can't really use because everything need experience

IT field is filled with self taught people who use the free education provided to them by major companies like Microsoft, Google, etc. And get their own certificates for some hundred dollars. They learn in virtual labs and take that experience with them to the real workplace where they can apply all that practice. Sure it's a 30K annual salary but it's a job.

When I first watched this video I thought "that's dumb" like everyone else. Then I thought of an important question: are they asking for 1-2 years work experience in the same field or just at any job? If they want 1-2 years of work experience anywhere that's actually totally reasonable. If you get a job every summer through college (which you should probably work more than this to help pay for college) you will have 1 year of work experience. Add the summers since you were 16 during high school and you have almost 2 years of work experience.

Plus the fact that more jobs are becoming automated as well as the retirement age increasing which means people are working at their jobs longer and preventing newer people from getting into them.

@@jacobpinson2834 Last I checked they were asking for 30 years work experience and a college diploma.

@@animorph17 in other words they would be hiring a 50 year old man

@@jacobpinson2834 the ones I've looked at want experience in the same field of work which is annoying when Ur straight out of school/college because its just: need a job; get a job for experience then we will give u a job but until then we won't give u a job to gain any experience to get a job

How....is that even possible? Did the company expect you to be a time wizard 😂

Aber ich nur eines kind bin. 🤣

it's a joke @@Yuri_of_literature_club

Ah, the days when the employees you see at the job site every day mattered more than shareholders who send an occasional email through their staff assistants. And which older folks berate us for being too "lazy" to simply ask and be offered a job on the spot, while they vote for more corporate tax breaks and homeowning retiree benefits at the cost of the mobility-required youth through increased government debt.

To be fair, a master's degree is pretty worthless. You can't do what a PhD can, and the fact that you did some research isn't very applicable to most industry jobs. It's probably higher education's biggest scam.

​@@HateSpeechMoreLikeBasedSpeechWhile in relative terms, a master's might be worthless, the fact remains that you're still only about 1/7th (13.7% of Americans have either a Master's or a Doctorate as of 2021.) of the working age population in America. Unless it was for some ultra specialized position that demands the rigors of a doctorate, you're head and shoulders above the general population. You'd have to have some serious black marks on your record, atrocious interviewing skills, unrealistic expectations, or sheer bad luck to not get hired. Heck, I even heard of a few people with serious felonies who have traditional office jobs just off the strength of their experience and credentials.

@@EbonySaints you don't need a master's for an entry level job, and you can't get a higher-than-entry level job with a master's (that isn't an MBA)... so why bother? Spend that 2 years making income.

@@HateSpeechMoreLikeBasedSpeechhow about do both, that’s what I did. I worked as an assistant at the university. Tuition was covered and I got paid fairly decently.

I am NOT scapegoating or excusing employers when i say this but a lot of people are not looking for jobs cause after being forced to use Welfare are now realizing they're making just as much money on Welfare as they were working their prior job.

@@sir8513 well the problem is that welfare (from what I've heard of, with no personal experience with it) only gives barely just over minimum wage (and possibly per person? Again not sure as I have no personal welfare experience)

@@rxvenii6975 it can be even less than minimum wage in states that have higher wages. It only becomes a good bit of money if you have kids, but single adults don’t get much.

I'm currently on welfare payment and I'm looking for work. I have a monthly target of the amount of job applications I need to send. I don't think the statement about if people are on these payments then they stop looking for work. The amount is not enough to live a good life and save money for the future. And for me I find working fulfilling other than just stay at home all day. I want a job real bad. Major barriers to employment is like what mentioned in the video. Employers want experienced staff. That's it.

I agree. Make business work for us for a change

Work experience doesn't always refer to experience in the specific field. A lot of places don't want to hire someone who has never held a job before, so any job could be considered work experience

@@sentjojo ay funny enough there's a comment right below this one that has a rebuttal to that notion, it being the fact that oftentimes relevant and extensive training or even internships in the target industry get downgraded in usefulness compared to arbitrary experience in a different field

@@sentjojo then it isn't entry level, entry level is not per field. It is just bullocks

@@0Arcoverde I disagree. "Entry level" does not mean "first job ever". Employers expect basic competency in things like showing up for work on time and following instructions from management. These are things expected in a min wage job that you get as a teenager before graduating

@@sentjojo how would you evaluate "entry level" + "6 years of experience of graduate level work in this specific software for this specific field that alone demands half of a degree just to get familiar with"?

That’s effectively force retirement at that point.

I don't get that

That is why if you have a college degree and applied to jobs that are labor jobs like only require a high school diploma. You don't put your college degree. The reason from my own experience. I would always get ghosted for such jobs. The moment I took off my 2 college degrees and lied about work experience at a previous labor job. I was hired on the spot. I then worked and found out I was short handed and they abused me. They made me work 7 days a week at a grocery store. I had to change price signs come in at mid-night on the weekend on a sunday to put up sales signs and then come back in on monday. Pay was minimum wage and I ended up quitting. The reason the won't hire college grads for such jobs is because they don't want you to have the option of quitting. They want you to be in a financial position where you have not choice but to bust your ass for pennies on a dollar. I personally would see this as modern slavery because they set you up to be in such a situation. I got another job working in urgent care. I would see my manager hire people. There was this old lady that she was mexican she spoke broken english. She worked as a cleaning lady at a hotel. She wanted to work as a medical assistant has no certificate or education in it. My manager hired her. So, she g ave her 2 weeks notice to her other employeer. Then when she worked 2 days with us. Our manager being a lady had a hot mexican guy reach out to her. He was younger than her. So, she had the hots for this guy. She hired him. Then told the mexcian lady that she's fired. She was crying. She then after 4 days came back begging for her job. It was because her previous employer replaced her quickly. So she couldn't find work . She ended up being homeless and would walk up and down our main road asking for money. So, I seen what these companies do.

@@arbitrarylib basically pay them more which company dont wanna do and we want u to grow from the company

well you can get a job if youre overqualified but you yourself are probably not going to want to because the pay is horrible.

Holy crap, I feel so much better after reading that. I graduated with a similar art degree but applied for every graphic design job or anything remotely similar and it took so many applications until I found my first job out of college.

Doesn't graphic design depend more on your portfolio?

Lol, should've gotten a STEM degree

You doing good, I made 7.25 after college degree at 22.

@@-SP. as someone who graduated from graphic design, it's not just your portfolio. I had mine sent to several applications through online.and most of them ghost me or rejected me because I was underqualified (mind you, they never put a number of experience so I.assume they accept entry level). Meanwhile I got laid off (dare I say, fired) from my previous and first job because I am overqualified. That job only lasted 4 months and never did they told me I was on probation.

Exactamundo

Even if the job is actually entry level, employers are so obsessed with the idea of having a more experienced applicant for no other reason than just in case they can expect even more from the employee than what the actual position requires. And in the current situation, they can get away with it.

Even if the jobs posting says no experience required, they will ask for it and probably count you out if you don’t

Yep, you'll be working 3 jobs for the salary of 1.

I worked in a small warehouse for about a year and literally everyone who was there or got hired knew somebody already there

@@marcoaraiza9381 I live in an area where almost every business does this except for the fast food places. You can't even fold t-shirts at the mall without having a relative be a manager.

why this is so true..

@@FullMoonOctober Alabama be like

@@DavidHowe-nv1nb or how about not assuming all ppl are psycho and if they are just fire them

As insane as that is, I would argue that on your resume, if you believe that an employer will think that your education will make you too smart for the job, don't mention it. Only present the character that you want them to see, the elements of your character that will employ you.

That's me! That's where i'm at! Throw in crippling disability that is not recognized as valid by the united states for recieving benefits (type 1 narcolepsy) and you have a stew cookin

I had the same experience. How the F you can be overqualified?

@@Mafon2 what it means is "we want people who arent capable of recognizing they are being exploited and less likely to stand up for themselves"

@@Riorozen this falls under the category of exploiting workers I find it hilarious that you make this comment immediately after the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action

Lmao, what're they smoking? I'd bet the pay grade on someone with education and ability in compsci and some discipline of science is a hell of a lot higher than what they're asking for.

It's so sad because if you know one programming language you can pick up others pretty easily, but they love asking extremely difficult developer-level questions. I did the same as you, I was a scientist who learnt programming for a position that was basically looking for scientists with no programming experience and they started asking developer-level questions for every programming language under the sun. I know mostly python (and by extension MATLAB) too, it's extremely useful for chemical libraries rather than opening Perry's 2000 page chemical database book lol, and I have 5+ years relevant experience, secret clearance, bilingual, and it's still somehow not enough for these people. I'm laughing because I still see people flipping through thousands of pages wasting hours and days' worth of time and company money when a lot of busy work time can be saved by digitizing and using computers to do the math and check errors. I'd explain my thought process through my interview answers, but they just want you to magically know the correct answer and the most optimal solution, no other solutions count in their eyes.

I write mostly “C” language programs but I have been using a lot of Python for testing API’s. I avoided applying for Python positions because many employers pay their Python developers less money.

jobs: "forget everything you learnt in college, it is unnecessary" "i didnt go to college" "you are not qualified for this job" true story

Because you’re not a real employee unless you’re seven figures in debt.

@@BlitzkriegOmega I died. This sounds too accurate

Absolutely. College is a scam.

@@zyugyzarc *surprised pikcatchu face

That irks my nerves bad!

If we need to relearn how to do stuff PROPERLY, why do we waste 3-5 years in universities? Seems like the system is broken and no one bothers fixin the damn thing.... 🙈

This makes no sense, but my assumed explanation would be that something like college is intended to filter out the less capable people. Or maybe the college is supposed to teach you something else other than knowledge

@@UshankaMaster That is partially correct however I want to add that the knowledge you gain from college is foundational and it will indirectly relate to the work you do in industry (working in field usually means dealing with a very niche subset of the college knowledge and going deeper within that niche). For context I am an engineer that graduated from electrical engineering at the end of 2019, I landed an engineering graduate program at a top tech firm which started in 2020 and my starting pay was $105K. College teaches you some core skills (if you choose the right major) like problem solving, learning complex materials quickly and being able to communicate said information, independent learning/research etc.. These skills form a valuable basis for learning and adapting to any job related to your field of study AND ALSO serves as a filter for weaker candidates that can't pass the mandatory calculus 1-3, advanced physics, circuit theory, programming, digital systems, control systems courses etc. In fact, my university class started with 200 people and whittled down to just 12 or so at graduation time. I also had to compete with about 6000 other engineers for my role (they took in 100 grads for the 2020 program out of 6000 applicants).

@@yt_nh9347 12 out of 200? Quite hardcore

SAME

Thank-you. Good luck to you too:)

Any job in the first world guarantees you that you're just an indulgent wastrel.

THIS!

Nobody knows, there is no such thing as a "dream job" ,all jobs have their ups and downs Just keep trying new stuff and you will find whatever you are looking for (I hope so)

Underrated comment LOL, can absolutely relate

Dude get out of here if people want to hear you whine they can watch your channel

@@Joseph-ub5wh who is the one whining here?

@@JoshuaFluke1 you're monetized just to complain about how much cooperate America sucks. And it amazes me how many people buy into it. I get it we all got to make a living some how to survive. If your making it off whining to millions about how getting different types of jobs sucks I applaud you. I barely see anyone offering unpaid internships anymore and it's not hard to get a job either. Working conditions will vary however not every employer treats their workers such as a company like Amazon. Other than that I hope everything goes well for you and you're new girlfriend once you move into the house you've belt and get out of the girlfriend's parents basement.

@@Joseph-ub5wh You're the guy who REALLY likes team building exercises aren't you?

Damn that's awesome!

Goodd for you man

That's nice but many employers aren't gonna take the risk.

your boss sounds like a nice guy who wants the best for you

Apply for what you are qualified for! When you put your name in for a position you have no credentials for, you cause confusion and hiring delays as employers have to sift through hundreds of unqualified resumes to find the 10 qualified individuals. It wastes peoples time and money. Employers have to be more respectful of job seekers and quit wasting our time, money and self esteem by bringing us into interviews when they already have decided that they don’t want to hire us before we arrive. Employers seem to choose the best talker, then weeks later they are searching again because that person couldn’t handle the job and was hired because of age, looks, or sweet nothings. 1. Education, 2. Skill Set. Experience can be obtained in a variety of settings so ought not to be the game changer like it is being looked at right now, many who suck, got the job because of cheap talk and then got another after being canned and then got another because they got the first. That is why things are so inefficient and why service sucks. People who have much experience and no education, have been doing things in a shitty way for a long time, that is why it doesn’t get better because employees keep re hiring the same old duds.

​@@KYurkhow do you know what youre qualified for when no one is willing to give you the opportunity to learn literally anything that is deemed necessary to know? This whole system relies on the concept that somewhere at some point in time a company fucked up by hiring you and now your stupid ass accidentally has X years of experience

Because they rather hire the cheaper, less experienced person

That was the issue when my former co-worker and I were let go. She’s 40+ years old and I’m 28 though because of some past issues I didn’t have a lot of work experience under my belt while she had years of experience. Well neither of us could get hired. She had too much experience, I had too little.

@@Saturn890 lmao. Let's all go off-grid.

isn’t that age discrimination?? that’s illegal isn’t it? not hiring just because of age, gender, religion, etc...

@@miguelprima5937 It can be, but most employers know how to word their rejections so that it doesn’t violate any anti-discrimination laws. So they can just say you simply didn’t meet the requirements they were looking for in terms of the position but will keep your resume on hold for future review (they won’t).

Honestly it’s a game of making shit up. “I achieved consistent customer satisfaction and helped the company run smoothly” for quick example. It’s practical and social knowledge over actual retelling of events (cause cmon, that sentence is true for everyone). Getting a job and doing the job basically require two completely different skill sets

@@DeathnoteBB True for everyone except me apparently since I basically got fired on my first day for nervous-vomiting since I had no idea where the bathroom was. I still have nightmares about that one! :'D

@@StormTheSquid oof my condolences. That sounds like a nightmare

@@wa4645 The worst part is, I had spaghetti earlier, so the floor was covered in half-digested pasta.

Well, ideally you want applicable experience that would help with the job, if you used software before, even if just for an hour or two, put it down. At least you can say you are familiar with it. That’s probably what they mean.

Well, it could be worse. The could have listened, and get some poor fresh graduates to do unpaid internships to do those tasks. And then kick them out when they outlive their usefulness. That happens a lot around the world.

@@ajguevara6961 I wasn't advocating any "internship" unpaid or otherwise. I want our company to hire people fresh out of college as entry level full employees where they are going to want to stay and their value to the company would grow so that we would want to keep them. This is the way companies should work but they don't because they are too stupid and greedy to understand value compared to dollars.

I'd happily do entry level if it meant I got a job at all... things are tough out here

The interns that we hired got to work on some exciting projects. I told my boss that I thought interns were supposed to work on menial tasks that nobody else wanted to do.

And this is why the employer should train to develop talent instead of “picking” off candidates that are more competitive to “find”

last new hire reported to company for the fraud(creative non college accounting) they were committing

I would much rather have an HR person with good soft skills that I can mold than one that went to indoctrination camp. I can send you to take courses on employment law and payroll software; what I can't do is deprogram all that DEI nonsense those HR colleges teach you. It'd be like inviting a wolf to live with sheep.

​@@user-fg8ux8zo6weither that or reported sexual harrassment because "thats just how it's always been here"

​@@HateSpeechMoreLikeBasedSpeech And how the hell could you tell that based on a college degree??? You're saying nonsense to justify shitty practices.

They are decoration I guess

Legalized white collar slavery.

Exploitation, I thought that was always obvious.

Free internships are dumb. Don't do them, unless you clearly see the benefit for yourself

fills out the empty space on your resume

McDonald's: we selected the guy with the Phd to operate the fry machine.

Wait...you actually got an email back? Lucky you are

@@heedmywarning2792 when I worked for Domino's we had multiple PhD holding candidates as drivers because their teaching jobs did not pay enough

Yeah. Why is that wrong? You would select better candidate too lol

@@EnjoyingEnjoyer Exactly, not sure why people think this is somehow wrong. They didn't lie: no experience was necessary to apply, that doesn't mean having experience doesn't apply.

How do you find what the keywords are?

@@naria2224 sorry, to get the most accurate answer I would have to ask my brother who informed me of this too. My best guess, words that related to experience. Specific abilities, Hard skills and soft skills(hands on and computer like skills) maybe certain traits. Each company would be different. But I would suggest. Look into the company/job title you are wanting to apply for then put as many keywords you can think of that they would possible look up. It doesn't hurt putting a bunch of them. The goal is to have as many words as possible that they could potentially type in to there program. That will then put the resumes in order of the most to least amount so they don't waste too much time. Another pro tip. If you are a female(this is shitty, i know) but if you have away to put your name down as a dude name. You're more likely to be seen. For example. Kristin - Kris , Alexis - Al/Alex. Things like that. Especially if you're apply for a predominantly male position.

@@cravenmorpus Damn this is actually smart, thanks for the tip.

Oh, so if there’s an algorithm looking for keywords they will detect the keywords (in white/ invisible). Regardless if you have the skills or not. Wow that’s really clever.

@@gillroygarlic3616exactly

That why I went back to university at age 28 lol because I only have college diploma before.

Ha, I only got $15 an hour 25 hours a week after my bachelors and an 800 hour cyber security boot camp. Then I got laid off with about a dozen other people without warning when the company got bought out. Now I'm back in the job hunting world. :X

@@Jcewazhere 😔

Fucking OOOF. What's the field?

Add masters and extra studies/courses and having at least 5 years of experience and they still attempt to propose such pay. This is bonkers.

I love it when boomers are hit in the face with that realization. The constant confident denial of our situation by entire generations, has in the past truly gaslit me to the point ive thought im just not good enough to make a living. When i see them face the realities they ignore, that brings me so much peace of mind

Yes!

Ah, lucky. Mine got her job thanks to a friend, and now she think it's that easy for everyone. I'm a full time student but she also wants me to find a full time, good paying job while i'm still studying... "Well how did you think I do? Just give your resume to everyone and someone will end up hiring you. You're just being lazy". This is not how life works, mom

@@maevab2923 I love this comment rn.

I was in a similar situation for a while when I was young. I had a good job but got called a bum for not having my own place. (Literally only my second year into working) then parents split up. Both of them struggled to find affordable housing and were asking if I could "roommate" with them to be able to afford a apartment.

Exactly... 3-5 years is already associate level

entry level relates to pay not experience in most cases

@@Aiviymatoc if thats the case, then it doesnt make any sense. A teller in multinational bank get paid higher than a teller in a small local bank. But we dont see a senior level vacancy for teller in multinational bank and entry level vacancy in small bank.

@@Aiviymatoc then they need to change the terminology at worst, and change the fucking payscale preferably

Facts.

Exactly.. mentorship.. aprinticeship.. master/protege... all that tradition that god humanity and technology and economics to this point has been abandoned.

lmao, cybsec in a nutshell. I was lucky enough to get one with basically zero experience. rejected from several other companies that said they're "open to freshgrad" and "passionate" but in the end they hired people with experience anyway haha. cybersecurity is a tough one to get in. experience is pretty much what cybersecurity is, bad experience learned from the past.

But that would cost money,and thats money we can give to shareholders as stock buybacks! The short term profitability only matters,anything thats not this quarter doesn’t exist and will never exist.

@@redenginner The same companies have projects that take years to implement just to introduce a new product or optimize some process. They don't have a problem making investments with a long time horizon. The bigger problem is that training takes away time from actually productive and well paid employees, and there is no guarantee the new person will be competent and productive after the training or won't jump ship to the competition before they can recoup their costs.

@@SkeerdAint 9

Congrats on retirement

Same here. I usually got jobs through word of mouth. I took a programming class at night and one of my classmates recommended me for a good engineering position.

Depends on what field of work. Tech in this instance they always ask for the moon.

whats full stack dev? you mean to tell me that college doesn't teach you everything? bruh what jobs in compsci can u get after just getting out

@@hungry_khid1007 Full Stack dev is someone who can handle front end (Think website design) & back end (Databases, etc). It’s absolutely luscious to ask for an “Entry Level” full stack developer.

Before the pandemic I got rejected from a minimum wage job and during the interview they surprised me by asking if I'm willing to do my job AND the job of another guy they had working there since he couldn't do his own job. Some of these places are a fuckin joke.

@@vladiiidracula235 There's too many developers now claiming to be "full stack" thinking it's going to improve their chances of a high earning position. In reality, they damage the profession and dumb it down to the point it's just a name thrown around by fools.

Because u literally need to work to survive and people who dont work are “bums living off of welfare” or not contributing to society even though i hardly am contributing something useful by selling lamps to people

400 rejections and counting over 2 years

@@freshmoistfrog8417 yeah they'll tell you working = contributing to society, but lots of jobs only serve to increase corporate profits and are either useless or outright harmful to society at large.

@@thejoblesscoder pffffft those are rookie numbers. I got that much in the last 8 months or so. 😢

@@muhammadabubakr720 ouch I'm sorry to hear that is awful

This is worse because the ADA is supposed to prevent stuff like this from happening. I suppose it does nothing then.

My situation exactly. I can't work full hours and I need to work from home so I've been looking for admin/virtual assistant type roles (because there is no way I could get a part time role from my degree) and I've come up empty too. Hundreds of applications sent and barely a reply. It's not like I don't want to work. I just want to do what I CAN do.

Ain't no body got time for that

I never understood that whole practice. It would give the employer a chance to tell the applicant what things they need to work on or certificates that would help. Instead, the applicant just goes on to a different company and the original company is left looking for an employee they can't find.

@@GeneralChangOfDanang they can simply automate an email saying "you didnt get the job". But they cant give feedback on every applicant about what to improve. Imagine you have 5000 applicants, and you only need 2 or 3. Screening their application is already exhausting enough, who got time to give personalized feedback for 4997 applicants.

I think that, at a minimum, if they required you to right a cover letter - they can at least tell you you didn’t get the job.

@@herefortheshrimp1469 and by write a cover letter, you mean go into the cover letter generator of any resume building website

yep.if you look at it as you wanting to hire someone for something then you would also want people to have experience in that field xD.

@@scno0B1 of course, but at some point you have to wonder if it's okay and normal for all companies to only hire people with experience. For one part it's kind of a risk to the society for having a lot of unemployed people. Both sides have their argument, but it sucks when you're the one trying to find the job and people won't even give you a chance or reply.

Some job markets can't properly support entry positions. If enough working professionals already exist to support the market, then it's very difficult for anyone new to enter. But people are still getting degrees for these fields and making the problem even worse. Too many people qualified for a job market means a lot of people's skills are not needed

The system is an arm of capitalism. Of course it's broken.

This is why some companies have focused "promote from within" programs, where there are truly entry-level positions that can get you in the door and give you time to prove your skills/demeanor. UPS does this. You can get hired during peak season when they'll take almost anyone, make a good enough impression to stay on or get rehired after peak, then work your way up with training support based on your career goals. The entry level work is tough, and you still need to prove desirable for promotion, but the system is there. If only the general workforce had better school-to-career programs. Off the top of my head the only industries like this are skilled laborers, logistics, and some types of nursing. The field of education tries to do this, but not every region has that kind of relationship, and programs don't always translate between different areas.

This is a super common practice. And even those positions are competitive and worth taking because they are at least some work experience. It's a shame that's what counts as a decent opportunity for students these days though.

Diversity hire?

@@voice_0f_reasonnah just overperforming college student who is willing to die for the position

It sounds like you worked at Michael's. Working there is awful

@@Hannibil9 only thing super awful about it currently is them cutting hours like hell. I like the people I work with (Apart from the current general/store manager as I know nothing about him and rarely see him) which is what makes me happy and want to stay.

I work retail at a smaller store and I absolutely love the people there, but I'm currently working only about 4-8 hours a week and have been asking friends and family for money because bills and I need to freaking eat. Currently looking for a new job because I don't see this improving for me, especially since they keep hiring more and more people.

this made me LOL, but srsly!! im in this boat sadly

I was rejected for audio mixing and production because I wasn’t doing it for 15 years. Do they want dr Dre to produce their songs and recordings? am I producing for snoop dogg?

A job that wasn’t an official job 10 or more years ago.

Haha yes! I just graduated and was hired as a data analyst for a large marketing/PR consulting firm. I work at a branch in a major US city, but I was their first. Gen z. Hire. Ever. Ever!!!! That was so crazy to me. Gen Z goes up to age 25/26 now - I’m 21. For 4-5 years they refused to hire any other new grads? They didn’t want to hire a Gen z with 3-4 years experience? Took a look at the engagement data for one of our clients which is a large social media platform. Of course our campaign engagement is terrible, especially with young people. .1% CTR!!! Omg! And it’s because the posts have a lot of effort out into them and look nice, but they SCREAM “I’m 45 and this is what I think the youth like.”

@@australium7374 as someone who does video production work and has friends who are audio engineers, literally take anything you can find to build up your resume and portfolio. IDK how far into your career you're in but your first gigs are unfortunately going to be free. But eventually, you will build up a list of clientele who will be willing to pay for future gigs. Clients first, business second. While I was college, i took up as many offers to work on student films, commercials, and music videos for friends and their associates. After a year or so, I already had a list of clients who would occasionally contact me for any work.

What is also great is seeing that you don’t have enough experience for an engineering role, so you look at technician roles, only to find that you don’t have enough experience for them either. Like what the actual hell?!?

*Urgent hiring !!!! * Then proceeds to have an incredibly drawn out multistep hiring process.

The industry has no reason not to say they have a labor shortage. A higher labor supply is to their advantage. Plus, the industries have connections to for profit trade schools.

@@synthstatic9889 so how does constantly complaining about a labour shortage help them?

@@erickpalacios8904 More people enroll in expensive, for-profit schools. The labor supply expands, allowing companies to pay lower wages.

It’s who you know. No merit.

TL;DR: humans make human mistakes when making human decisions regarding other humans Let's hope polo dude doesn't let them down, but most importantly that you land that awesome job

The cynical part of me says that polo is primarily an upper class pursuit, and it wouldn’t surprise me if it wasn’t just veiled classism.

Sounds like blatant nepotism & classism

@Saffron Christmas I didn't say silly - I said human, because humans often choose people based on completely irrelevant criteria. How was polo relevant at all for the job? It wasn't. But the team looked at it and went "hey, cool dude bro did polo" and hired him - because it was somehow meaningful to them. That's some human work blunder right here, which may have been caused by classism

You got screwed over in getting job by someone who probably doesn't know a damn thing about it, but got it anyway cause he played Polo. I can't even comprehend the amount of bullshit thats in that

Had that happen. Also once they checked if I was still interested but of course I couldn't take it then (not that I wanted to at that point)

This happened to me so often. I was like really...it’s been almost a year since I applied lol

I know right and not just small companies no ones ever heard of. Microsoft. Applied and got rejected 3 months later. Like wtf how unprofessional is that? One of the largest tech companies on earth cant get back to you any sooner.

It’s so disrespectful and discouraging. However it makes me feel better because who want to work at a company that’s so full of shit that they can’t even email you

I’ve had that happened to me but it was 3 months later and they were asking for an interview and I had already gotten a job.

At my workplace we just recently hired a really promising newbie (Hr said the resume was good and he was supposed to be certified in a particular set of skills) but it turned out, anything we gave him, he just didn’t listen and learn from! After 3 months, he barely remembered how clock in and to clock into work, didn’t know his way around the computer, didn’t read his emails (those were important), etc. All the time and effort spent on him was wasted! My coworkers were fed up with trying to correct every error he’d make after all the training and corrections they’d make.

This, big time. There is no job on that is more difficult to grasp than performing routine duties in retail, particularly in groceries. If you can do that, you can do every job available in America

"Pick the lock on this door and you're in"

i love how there's an unintenional pun in your comment

🥁 **rimshot**

😱😮

Yep 😢

Which is how you get the wonderful thing of "Recent college grad" 20 years experience If an older employee lost their job due to recession...maybe used their savings to get a degree...and then re-entered the work force applying for anything and everything within their field...............They're the perfect candidate for what these employers want. Sneaky ageism is sneaky. :(

Hol up, won't that just cause another depression since you can have a future if you LITERALLY stop the 'future'

🤯

Often times that’s done as a tactic to both scare away people from applying and to also ensure you get people you don’t have to waste resources to teach the basics of the job.

@@darth3911 then years later they complain about "worker shortage".

I am essentially a filing clerk at a law firm. I got it as my first job. Only 2 days a week, but I had literally no prior experience. Filing is mostly easy except when files are missing from their normal locations and papers aren't labelled correctly.

Oh yeah Love those jobs. I call them to call them retards and proceed not to enter 😂 Still find a job rather easily.

I need only one or two weeks to obtain the filing experience.

Yeah.. I get mad at this too. There was a lovely older man I used to work with - great worker, very knowledgeable, very personable if you could get him to talk lol - but he was stuck working at the box store I was at because he was "too old". Absolutely sucks. And what about the people who are 30/40/50 and the system failed them or they weren't given the same opportunities or maybe they're disabled or sickly and they don't have the necessary experience? They're not a fresh grad anymore, but they haven't been able to get there for one reason or another? This system fails so many...

Yes! They all want something for nothing and then call us entitled.

It's deeply annoying.

Well they don't have to. The white collar workforce is massive and people are desperate for employment out of college. Blue collar work use to balance this out when it was more competitive in pay (or at least more livable, I should say), but now there is very little competition. Everyone is told to get a college degree or suffer. So most get a degree, and they run into these issues, because when everyone gets the same education, it loses value. Supply and demand I am afraid

Well are you going to stick around if they invest in you? That's the key.

its like damn ill sign something that says i cant leave the company for x years just train me xD

bro, that company lost out big time

That company is just full of shit. He dodged a bullet tbh.

Many companies have fake job postings because it makes them look more succesfull.

@@cameronhumphries2377 don’t deserve intelligence

Sounds fishy that a) he would need such a job, b) he wouldn't have simply told them that the programming language didn't exist 10+ years ago and that he created it (and that it wasn't absolutely in his resume), and c) the company would refuse to hire someone who was CLEARLY competent in the language if it's so obscure. I'm thinking clickbait, honestly.

Don’t apply online

It may surprise you how unorganized some companies are lol

assuming that a recruiter is doing the job. I've worked as a recruiter.... my job is programmer.

or in other words, recruiters are guilty of the very laziness they accuse everyone else of being

@@fence_ridergaming8640 By that I'm assuming you mean "you'd be surprised at how many companies aren't big enough to have a recruiting department", because it's most companies. Not every company is apple or amazon, where they're literally hiring people all the time and can justify an entire department for recruiting

@@AmberMetallicScorpion What recruiters are accusing anyone of being lazy? It's kinda the opposite - more sought after positions get thousands of resumes a day; if you reduced the burden to apply to "no experience required" you'd get hundreds of thousands of resumes a day. If more people who weren't a good fit for the job were lazy (the vast majority of resumes received), then recruiters would have very easy jobs

Because you're right. Work a freelance job and la de da, you'll get experience.

@@habibishapur As a freelance artist, I feel this a lot.

@@habibishapur I mean... Why would most people help you with getting your first clients? If they are competing freelancers, they would just shoot themselves in the balls by improving their own competition. If they aren't freelancers at all, chances are, they don't know jack squat either, and only know that freelancers can hit it big (ignoring the 99 failures for that 1 success). As for my best guess (as I'm not a freelancer), you'd have to rely on nepotism; Find a friend of a friend of a friend that might need your services, and let word of mouth carry you the rest of the way.

@@OzixiThrill i dont expect most people to help me, I expect the people suggesting i should become a freelancer, like its a matter of fact thing, should explain how one gets their first customer. Because ive been there and done that. It becomes just a matter of effort once you get going, but everyone ive seen been able to get their freelance career off the ground, in the first place, its because of some circumstantial factor like having a family member or friend who needs a website or app made for their business. My point is that if they offer freelance as a solution they should offer a way to get your first customer which is actually under your control. What if none of your friends has a business? What if you live in someplace that is such a deadend that there arent any local mom and pop shops willing to pay for a website revamp, which they know nobody even sees? There are several places like that in states like CA, TX, NY. I cant imagine how much harder it must be in less densely populated states. Im also speaking strictly from a software and web development perspective. I have no experience in other freelance industries.

@@habibishapur That's exactly the group of people my comment refers to. Most of the people (giving you said advice). Originally, I didn't feel like the added context was necessary. But yeah, my point was that the ones that give such advice either would risk cutting into their own market share, or don't know anything about freelancing.

It's the only way

How's it working out for you ❤️

@@qwertyqwert2772 🤷🏼‍♀️ who’s to know. It’s not like the turn me down or anything.

Now you know why those men do it😅🤣😂

Mass applying is a waste of time. What is your background and what position do you want to start a career?

Good luck!'

Wait... can't work because of too much experience?

@@walkerx1813 yes she has worked for 30+ years in media production, she also has 2 masters degrees, they thought she was overqualified so she cant find a job, no matter what its in, they also take her age into account thinking that 64 is too old for a job

Being overqualified is such a stupid problem

@@walkerx1813 companies don’t want an employee that’s going to leave, so they don’t want to hire anyone who could potentially make more than they’re offering. Not that it particularly matters, most companies don’t invest in new talent anyways so they don’t really lose anything from hiring someone else later on.

Chaotic good. I love it. :D

good luck man, hope you land a job soon

i'm actually in the exact same place as u rn, 18, no job, practicing drums all day trying to build a portfolio, taken advantage of by past employer, using moms money, applying for jobs but never getting a callback. i wish i could give advice or somethin but it just makes me glad to see there's other people out there in a similar situation as me. we got this fs.

@@colehetzel5003 What's crazy is in Australia 18yo minimum wage is about $13.50 and 21yo minimum wage is about $21.50 and yet they'd rather hire a 21yo so they don't have to waste a few hundred bucks training an 18yo who would literally be pure profit for the 3 years after their 1-14 day training. I suspect it may be because of poor management or having no workers willing to train the new kid but who knows. My friends all got their jobs so easy but I can't even get a reply and trust me my resume looks like the holy grail compared to all my friend's ones. They basically just wrote, "can work, gimme job brrrrrr" like how does that even get an offer. Tbf they started working before they turned 18 but that doesnt matter because 18yos get paid closer to 15yos than they do 19yos. It's driving me crazy, I feel so useless, I am a stain on this world, I ain't even a bad or disagreeing worker, I'm definitely better than majority of the current adults in retail, I simply didnt want to stay in a job that requires a high level of skill just to be illegally taken advantage of AND PAID IN GOD DAMN MONOPOLY MONEY, which im fine being paid minimum wage but the workload has to justify it also

@@cheesymcnuggets i honestly feel like getting a TRUE entry level job rn is a complete gamble, i literally apply to fast food restaurants, i apply as a dishwasher, i apply as a grocery store clerk, i apply with a resume, i apply in person, i will take minimum wage, i have a car, i like to think i'm decent looking and presentable, i can work all day everyday. my girlfriend has a job, she works hard hours as a busser, she brings home about 800$ a week (U.S.), i know she loves me and doesn't care if i have a job or not but I feel like i'm a worthless boyfriend. on the flip side of the coin i know practicing the drums everyday will turn my future around, i believe that having all day to learn a skill with no academic pressure will be extremely beneficial and i can already see it when comparing myself to other drummers of the same age in my area. the worlds a crazy place right now, i feel like people like us will find ways to completely circumvent the competition, if you've seen battlebit remastered lately i think it's proof that people want things done the right way, and we are the people who know how to do that.

​@@colehetzel5003 (AFTER EDIT: yeah dont read all this, im gonna post it anyway in case you want to but it will be a waste of time!) I agree, I know eventually things will turn out good, with all my free time I've been waterboarding myself with game development and it's paying off quickly. Can't wait to be confident enough to accept small freelance work online. I don't care about money that much, I just want to be useful to someone, be productive and hopefully even help a struggling developer build their childhood dream game. Meanwhile though it would be nice to find more full time work but apparently every employer is traumatised by our generation of lazy workers who call in sick every time they miss breakfast and who work at absurdly inefficient speeds. Like you said, it's a gamble, my friends got their jobs because they live in a small town where there are only like 2 people applying for each job but I live in a city where there are 100 people trying to go for the same job, the employers probably decide on a candidate before they even get down to my application. I know if only I could get my foot in the door, the employers would realise im a good worker. That's life though. I almost gave up my life a couple years ago and i never plan on coming that close to giving up on anything ever again. I will get a job and I will eventually get my dream job no matter how long it takes. I wouldnt class quitting my first job as giving it up as it wasnt even legal how they were using me and especially how they were about to use me if i had stayed. Determination is our most powerful tool! I hope your drumming goes well, I always wanted to play an instrument but i think it's the idea of playing one i like more than actually playing one so i decided i was gonna learn to make video game music instead using only a computer in 1 or 2 years depending on how i develop my programming and art skills, cant work on too many different skills at once you see. Boy isn't it just so nice to have something to work towards, something you can equally get lost in and drift away into one's own thoughts and feelings, that's passion. I find that most people who don't have such aspirations and hobbies try to fill their void with another person, a lover, a pet or a child... personally that's not for me but still wonderful how every human has a drive, a passion, their own reason to live, some may think that they don't but they do. Happiness isn't being free from responsibility or sadness, happiness to me isn't even a feeling, it's a belief, as long as you're doing what you love most and nothing less, not even doing what you love everyday or even every week but as long as you doing it, aim to do it and dont plan on giving up on it, happiness is always somewhere nearby. Whether it's raising a family, drumming, gaming, walking in the rain, relaxing after a hard day of work, as long as you want it and aim to achieve it, is that not enough? im sorry i forgot what i was talking about, i kinda just go on long spurts of nothingness every now and again with no real aim, just expressing my own thoughts in a collected manner. Self expression is a struggle of mine so i often get around it by writing out my thoughts which sometimes slips into youtube comments tagged for people who dont give af or have the time of day to read an entire book written by some lunatic nobody who failed almost every year of english (to justify my own stupidity of somehow failing english class every year, i was infact in the top 1% for mathematics for kids my age in my state up until i realised i had chronic depression and started falling asleep in class). I'm rambling on again, you dont need to know my life story, we dont even know each other, sorry bye, dont reply, id rather sleep comfortably tonight knowing no-one got to read this comment before i wake up tomorrow and delete it once i come to my senses, sorry again :)

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Oh man!

I want to be successful like you any other advice?. how exactly do you lie?

Then you were given excellent advice, rather than being told to "just struggle" for a little while

I fvcking agree and it's disgusting that my instructors enable and reward nepotism. I'm sorry my poor ass doesn't give you any advances in your life

Job requirements: must be fluent in Chinese. Chinese guy: *applies for job* Interviewer: no not that. Chinese guy: 武侠

Well just time travel duh.

"Time travel capabilities required."

@win98_ I learned programming young. Some people during my college years said their profs preferred an untrained student because they’re a blank slate to teach their way and no previous teachers can interfere with their style. Fully knowing I’m completely taking a dump on what those professors want, I ended up doing better than many who went into CS without prior experience. And sucks for those who didn’t have prior experience on the job. Even if they coded non-stop during those 4 years, they’ll not have the 5 years of experience for an “entry level” position. Goes to show what profs want ain’t what’s good for them sometimes.

This is bruh

@Donald Thompson True! I’m relatively certain that starting wages only get better the longer you stay at the company, so it incentivizes people not to job hop. It can be a real issue if you have to quit for whatever reason, such as maternity leave, etc.

Can't get experience if no one will let you...

Cheap? Does Rob even know how much twition fees cost?

very true!!! its hard to even know how to get started approaching the mess that is Starting A Career if you dont already know someone with a foot in the door

How I got my first job after 6 years of job applications post-graduation... Friend knew the manager, job had a high turn-over rate. They ended up closing the building, but I was there to the very end. 3 years I spent there, was one of the senior workers so to speak by then... Haven't managed to find new work since.

After school, I applied to over 160 different positions, each with a different cover letter and tailored resume. After 6 months, I got 2 interviews and 1 offer. I had zero connections. But I know people who applied to less than 20 positions and were hired because they knew a current employee who could vouch for them. It's extremely difficult if you don't know anyone

@Crystal Kanashii Agencies can be a good way to get experience even with skilled work. And they will usually take on people with no experience. Just expect to flit between a few temp and cover roles initially.

Kind of hard to network when you don't have any to network with

Ive been seeing a lot of entry level jobs starting at 40-50, which is pretty solid, but want a minimum of bachelors degree with 4 years experience, masters with 2 years, or a phd. To sit at a desk all day checking tickets.

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Yup everybody's trying to scam everybody, that's the world we live in.

This is what happens when you have an abundance of labor.

@@shawnboosveld7042 what’s the solution to too much labor

@@cymonescurio you either need an increase in demand for workers, or fewer workers. As it stands Covid has created an artificial worker shortage as people found it more lucrative to live off government relief than go back to work. This has resulted in marginal increases in minimum wage in my hometown/city to incentivize people to return to work. Additionally, the US had been trending somewhere around 1.6 average births per family as of the last census (fact check me on this I could be wrong) but I remember noting the population was on the decline. So in the short term (next 10ish years) the job market may rebound with the lower birth rate, but then we’ll run into a problem of social securities as higher population generations age out and have no retirement savings. This is my take and open for discussion.

@@shawnboosveld7042 I appreciate your response, thank you.

Going to College is wasting 4 years of your life you are never getting back.

Considering how stupid it is with these bs "entry level" jobs, might as well.

Well, you ain't wrong...

Be like George Lazenby lie and overexagerate everything.

Yup. Lying is great. I can’t see how that could be bad in anyway. Actually. Why don’t you just kill the person with the job so you get it?

@@aienbalosaienbalos4186 There is no guarantee that you would get the job.

That’s actually quite common. I remember seeing an ad for a UEFI programmer with 10 years experience. UEFI had only been around for less than five years at the time.

For an actual Barista it makes sense because it's a complex enough job that in some countries requires being certified for because no restaurant/cafe/bar can afford to wait a couple of months until their new barista finally starts making things the way they're supposed to be made. For a waiter it CAN be justified, depending on the establishment and how high quality it is. Trust me, if you're a waiter in a fine dining restaurant there's more to it than you'd think. Behind the bar depends ENTIRELY on what kind of bar you're talking about. If it's a club? no experience necessary, no one gives a shit, they only give a shit if you can work hard (many can't), do you have energy, and that's the overrriding thing that a club bar manager want's. That's not the same thing a bar manager of a really good cocktail bar looks for, oh they want it too, but what they really need are the people who know 200+ cocktails and have them memorized and can actually make them well. Cocktail Barman is a Trade with a capital T. You need to actually LEARN it, you can't just jump in because you wouldn't be able to do it. You generally get into these jobs by being moved into it from other positions that have exposure to these jobs. If you want to be a commie chef, your two choices are either going to culinary school, or being a KP (dishwasher) and being around the chefs, if you're dedicated to learn and have exposure to the kitchen and chefs while working the dishes section, you'll become a chef if you want to because they'll hook you out of your job and make you a commie chef. They're always on the lookout for people wanting to do that because most of them did the same thing. Same with bars, want to be a cocktail barman but have no experience? Get an adjacent job and show interest, memorize cocktails etc, they'll scoop you up if you're in the right place etc. Not all jobs can be done with no prior experience, and not all jobs have college training to try to offset the balance of that. Now, those are all hospitality positions, in tech it's more fucked up. The job listings aren't usually made by people who know wtf they're talking about, because they work in HR rather than dev or networking etc, so it's ususal to see listing for shit that require 5+ years of experience in a framework that has only existed for 2 years. Ignore that shit, apply anyway because when you're being interviewed by a tech lead or a network architect, or even the lower echelon guys like network engineers or senior devs, none of that garbage matters because they know what they want and they know how their industry works. Automated CV filters are the only annoying thing.

It absolutely makes sense in most cases that you need to have some sort of experience. From my experience, if you want to work behind the bar but don't have the required experience, just start out as a waiter. I've been working as a runner for the barista for half a year and after that, I was ready to do the simple shit myself. After another 6 months, they would let me do the more complex things. It's a quick route and if you are willing to learn the skills and inner workings of behind-the-bar, you can skip some years.

If u are confident u can do it/easy job, just lie about it, thats how i got employed tho sadly, even though i already had multiple internship and being honest make my cv got ignored

Former bartender. The way to get this job is one of two ways. Be friends with a GM (easy mode) or ask for a bar back job. You’ll grab kegs, clean spills, and other “not fun” work. Do this for a year, max 2, will get you an opportunity as a bartender, especially with the high turnover in the industry.

You're meant to just lie and exaggerate.

THinking about graduating makes me so stressed, ahhhhhhh D:

Graduating soon and stressed AF, no experience so far and I'm ESL. How do you all live lol help pls

Same, I'm a BSME and it's incredibly hard. I even considered joining the military (not that there's anything wrong with it, but they do technician work for the most part, not actual engineering)

I broke down a few times while job hunting after graduating in the middle of the Great Recession. I can't imagine how much more difficult it is with the Pandemic. Hang in there!

@@gizmofox5995 considering we're currently in Great Recession 2: Electric Boogaloo ™, and automation ate like 80% of entry level jobs, it's probably about 2-4 times worse than what you experienced.

Or “We’re in a ‘hiring freeze’…”