@@rnlh9007 idk about Bdubs but Etho's view have been pretty steady over the past few years. They stay in the hundreds of thousands (with the exception of some of the Team Canada stuff, but even they crack atleast 50k) He has a pretty dedicated fan base
Guy McProblems it’s always good to watch Etho, he just does his own thing and he’s always been like that. I’m hoping he has a good time on the HC server his content was great when it was bouncing between his SP world and the Mindcrack Server. I’ve always watched him since I found him many years ago. Him and doc.
Frank N. Stein yeah he does actually, look at baj or even pause and guude now, they are pushing quantity over quality, following the seananners laugh at everything approach which he does infinitely better than them. I'm sorry to say it but at this point, etho is better off without the organization
The thing I love about etho is that he has forever maintained original gaming youtube by not branding himself, not getting into controversy, and never taking a sponsor. He's never corrupted his image and I have immense respect for that.
yeah, his video format has remained constant since he started. His thumbnails and intros, channel banner and description have remained more or less the same
@@evewhooThe mic in the tissue box is kinda new as he for very long time used a cheap headset he constantly had to repair with hot glue and tissue papers as ear muffs!😉
Bdubs just came back from a well needed break Generikb is a streamer now Kurt still is trying to reach the farlands. Zesteau is a factorio addict Doc is having fun on Hermitcraft The B-Team still occasionally collaborates Etho and Zesteau play terraria occasionally And Etho just keeps playing Minecraft :P Good to see everyone still having fun despite splitting up.
it hurts to see things change though. i still remember coming home from school all excited just to watch Etho play minecraft with others on an mc server, I like where everyone is at right now but i still wish i could go back. PS i still enjoy ethos content i just wish times were simple
I remember about 3 years ago, Mindcrack was my favorite thing. I used to come home from school everyday and would watch all the new Mindcrack episodes. I was subscribed to every Mindcrack member, when they had uhc, I would go to everyone's perspective and saw how they died. Mindcrack was awesome then. It has changed a lot... and in a negative way. They are getting rid of friends for buisness. Mindcrack was originally just a group of friends who would record Minecraft together and would have lots of fun. It has become a buisness with lots of events, conventions, and other things. Mindcrack has lost its originality and even some fans. It's sad how things change, even though we don't want them to. But, I guess that's just how life goes.
@@zacharyp3359 What? You mean birth? He took a break for a awhile to deal with his family and also started playing more games with speedy and them like CSGO.
You can tell he's choked up. Sad to see these people leave but I get it. Hopefully they all can hangout sometimes. I've been rewatching old mindcrack videos and nostalgia is so real
That gentleman has class. in life groups, companies, teams etc. do evolve and end up heading in different directions. No one was to "blame" in this, and I hope all parties continue to thrive.
@@JohnSmith-kz1pg not everyone have a big channel then. And there was no patreon. Some people still wanna be a youtuber and have funs with their friends. But their channel cant support them. They still need to eat. So they made decision. Adult decision. Cant say it was good decision since everything failes in the end. But they are definitely not greedy.
It's interesting watching this as a Hermitcraft fan in 2020 who never watched Mindcrack. I watch Joe Hills' streams a lot, and when asked about how Hermitcraft makes decisions or operates, he often describes it as "an artist's collective"; in that they're making art together, and there's a lot of diversity in the work that's being made, and that's *celebrated*. Hermitcraft might be, technically, a brand, but it's not a business the way some folks steered Mindcrack into becoming. The contrast is interesting to me, I guess.
You should check it out. Its good stuff. Worth watching imo. And yeah, what's funny about Guude trying to turn Mindcrack into a business is that it probably destroyed a cash cow for him. Etho, Bdubz, and Generick leaving were MASSIVE losses. Had Mindcrack not gone in that direction I firmly believe Hermitcraft would not exist in the capacity it exists in today. And Mindcrack would still be alive and kicking. All of my favorite RU-vid "groups" were destroyed when they tried to turn it into a business. TheCreatures being the main example.
I feel like etho is similar to me.... He's not interested in merchandising for money, he doesn't want to do a face reveal, he likes to edit out boring stuff in his videos, and he quits stuff he doesn't like. Just like me!
7 years later, Etho is part of hermit craft and him and the rest of the server are thriving while mindcrack is left as just a fond memory for most. yeah etho made the right call.
@@lenshibodidn't etho join as a hermit while still on mindcrack he was not really that active putting out vids on hermitcraft but was in hermitcraft and mindcrack at the same time like bdubs
joey pigott you sound like a 13 year old trying to act tough. Men are allowed to cry and there is nothing wrong with it. You should quit being so judgemental
I miss the days when UHC was popular, intense and extremely entertaining. I miss the pranks. I miss the older mindcrack series during the 1.2 days. Well ; they do say all good things come to an end. :(
+Aust ini UHC is still popular, but it's all pro Reddit players, and whenever you look at a RU-vidr UHC there's always some guy saying "they suck compared to *this reddit guy*" ;-;
+Aust ini I think what you're trying to say is something I've thought for at least a year and a half. UHC used to be a special thing, (Really not trying to sound nostalgia blinded) because it came out only once in a blue moon, but now (Or the last time I checked into any Mindcrack like 8 or 9 months ago or so) they're uploaded like once a month and feature gimicks that are kind of lame.
The old days of minecraft man..... The minecraft RU-vid community has changed so much since the good old times, the pranks, the UHCs, the builds, the bonds, the feels.... Not just mindcrack tho, the whole community has changed a lot I feel.... Sad face
when i got minecraft pe, i thought minecraft was an obsession i would have for a month or two. That was five years ago. Im sure there are some people that will never really get over it.
There was a time when I thought Minecraft would never die. Mindcrack would last forever, and friends would never part. It's been tough seeing the world change in ways I hoped it never would. Mindcrack took me through highschool and early college. I'll miss it for sure.
You guys know how Etho's favorite show was The Office? It felt like Etho was Michael, and Mindcrack was the rest of the office. Sucks to see him go, but I have faith that Etho will reunite with Mindcrack in some way... :)
the moment he mentioned the trademark agreement I understood why he left, I'd probably have done it too, when Guude mentioned that agreement I thought that mindcrack was becoming a business, which I did not like.
Then you do not understand why it was done. It was done to protect the group. Etho didnt leave for the reason you think, he just didnt want to deal with the paperwork as it were. Thats fine but get off your high horse.
While I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that, it doesn't take much looking to see other groups who've made this jump, and the general decline in quality afterwards. Yogscast used to be a pretty neat group to watch before it became the huge conglomerate of children's shows.
Clearly Etho made the right decision to leave Mindcrack. Now he is apart of Hermitcraft, one of the most popular minecraft communities and servers, and unfortunately Mindcrack is a shell of what it used to be. I loved Mindcrack and it’s sad to see what happened to it, but I am excited for Hermitcraft and Ethos adventures that are to come on that server. He might the right choice to leave. As well as BdoubleO
Angus Howard xD etho is one of the only people i still watch nowadays for his personality I only occasionally play modded nowadays....more in to league nowadays haha
Not to hate on Guude, but he really isn't the brightest guy there is, and him being in a position of power was a recipe for disaster. He's a good entertainer, but a terrible businessman (proven by how he basically drove away all the largest channels and sources of new viewers). Almost all channels have been stable or growing, except for his. So now MindCrack is pretty much dead, and the person who suffered most from it is Guude himself. Some people just aren't cut out to be leaders, I guess.
He is good at being a leader that is not a leader. He was good when he started mindcrack, invited a bunch of friends to make awesom fun things. But for official business stuff, he just drove things to the ground. But still no one hated him. Maybe displeased, but no one hates him. You can tell because people still plays with him. Even etho. Which says alot about his character. He is not bad. He is just bad at leading people.
Mindcrack, as a group, have close to 9 million subs and over 2 trillion views. How do you describe failure? Many heavy lifters like Etho, Zisteau, Docm, Beef, Pause, GenericB, and BdoubleO ran with it for a long time and all grew their brands and channels immensely as a result of the synergy of working with Guude. It's likely that Hermitcraft posts more views now than Mindcrack did but they still don't match the quality of entertainment...I'll watch any Guude episode three times before enduring the condiscension of a Xisumavoid episode. But then the rub: many people don't realize that as Mindcrack approached its pinnical, dozens of people started ripping off the brand and logos selling all kinds of unauthorized merchandise. Lawyers advised Guude to register Mindcrack as a trade mark. With so many people involved with the SMP it just became too messy and complicated. How can you cast aspersions at Guude's organizational or leadership skills?
hmm sound argument. but i guess people just didt like to make things too serious. like mindcrack starts off as a friend only thing and there are tons of worshipper out there who drew their stuff and such. but ofc there are people who makes profit off of that, but at the start, those are not of any concern. its like a mangastreaming website. and the content creator are the translator. these translator creates content for users that are unavailable to get the source. then come along big company like viz or crunchyroll who brought all the copyright and sued all the streaming services like mangastream or mangarock. ofc they were legally right to do so asnthey brought the copy right. but it makes people unhappy. so as for people like etho, he can be considered one of the translator, but he is an employee for the free streaming services, ane he likes doing so, he likes to bring joy to people, to share his creations. so when the company goes, alright we will be charging for our services now and you have to do paperwork and go to meeting, etho be like "nah, ima outta here"
as you can prolly see, etho is the type that never ask for like or subscribe or donations. yet his supporters are those that always ask him to start a patereon or something so they can support him
my childhood was consumed by countless hours of mindcrack content, I haven't thought of them for sometime until I googled what happened to them. I rewatched this with foggy eyes, to the best of my recollection this was the beginning of the end of the server. Sure it's still going, but it's not the same and once I watched this video years ago I knew it wouldn't be the same. RIP mindcrack you gave a lonely kid some really good times.
+Nightwing3442 bdoub and Genny is also a huge bummer those three people is the reason why I got into Minecrack in the first place. I guess Doc is the only one left I care about. Well Anderz is nice too, but to be honest I don't really watch his videos.
+bob sinc I think I'm going to start unsubscribing all the MindCrack members that I liked. No more content on Minecraft, and the popular Minecrafters are gone. :/
I don't know exactly why, but I still tear up when I listen to this. It's like I've walked past a nostalgic place from my childhood that I can no longer visit. I can relive my favourite moments, but I can't continue the adventure. Idk about you but this remains quite heartbreaking for me 💔 😢 😔 😞 😪 Long live Etho, Ma man
This is why I genuinely love Etho... he's as honest with his viewers as he can be without revealing to much...he stays absolutely true to himself... it's why I was such a huge fan of Technoblade...I feel like Etho and Techno were very similar.... I'm incredibly disappointed we will never see the two legends on the same screen...but I feel lucky to witness them both as they were and are....
Keep in mind that the contract was neccecary because some of the members were doing very shady stuff with server sponsorships and the contract killed the members that were doing some messed up things
@@TheWizoid Hi this was an old comment so I'm not sure what exactly I was talking about, but I think I was talking about how some of the server members (bdubs and gen b maybe?) were working with pay to win servers who I think did other scammy stuff.
Miss you my dude. I have been so far up my own ass with life that I hadn't noticed all the stuff that went on. After I left I couldn't be bothered with the arguments... Love that you stayed true to yourself hun. Keep in touch if you see this.
Thank you for this upload. I've heard many players left Mindcrack lately, which is kind of a bummer. But if think there is a good reason not to continue.
to be honest even if mindcrack did not go down the business path the server would still be lowly populated/dead. I know a lot of the fans of Etho and the other 4 were huge fans of mindcrack, so was I. I watched Bdubs and Etho mindcrack server content more than any other mindcracker. but I am completely fine with how things turned out. Though I don't watch much of etho or bdubs any more, for various reasons, such as Etho uploads content I don't really care for I watch his hermitcraft stuff but when he does single player stuff I find it boring. I stopped watching bdubs because he "grew up" I liked Bdubs when he was the derpy guy in OOG content and his Mindcrack content was great, but now he is more mature and not so "Derpy" anymore and I don't have much interest in his current series except for GTA but i have been to busy to keep up with it. Through this "Purge" I actually have grown closer to the Mindcrack group, and I now watch some Mindcrackers that I probably never would have. And now I have more time to watch all of Guude's awesome series. Sorry for long post, just sharing so thoughts.
Skypost4ever Well put. I also stopped watching Bdubs but still watch Etho and his single player vanilla minecraft LP is actually my favorite series... But alas, to each his own I guess :P
+Skypost4ever I'm the exact opposite of you! xD Watch all of Etho's videos except the Hermitcraft ones because I think the other guys on the Hermitcraft server are a little bit "out of his league". But that's just my opinion. I have really disconnected from the Mindcraft community. I only watched Shree when he rejoined just because I wanted to give him some attention because he wasn't that famous but then I realized Mindcrack is no fun without Etho so i got uninterested again. Etho really is the perfect RU-vidr for me.
ifroad33 I respect your opinion, though I find Mindcrack still really fun,even without etho and bdubs. I love GOB and the Show. But I understand how you feel, Etho is really a great YTber but I find his single player content a lot less enjoyable than his group content.
was kinda happy etho didn't end up like the rest of the minecraft youtubers and just played it for how fun it is, instead of making it more about making as much money as possible
I took a hiatus on watching mindcrack and video games in general and etho leaves. Etho was the one who introduced me into Mindcrack and I gotta be honest, I'm really sad :( but if he doesn't feel like he wants to do it anymore than well, m3h
I really hope something like this doesn't happen to Hermitcraft. I honestly doubt it would because Xisuma is a much more fit group leader than Guude was, and he hasn't done a face reveal which would kind of be needed to take Hermitcraft in that direction.
Hermitcraft differs alot from what mindcrack was, its not xisuma's server although it is in his name. The group run it together, pay for it together and vote on ideas and changes together. It's a sad state to see mindcrack the way it is but it was the way it was managed that killed it.
Honestly, from the way Joe hills tells it, the hermits had a rough time with generikb's leadership in season one and when he left, nobody could come to a decision about what to do so Joe had to run a quick coup to get them to actually decide on a new seed and new members. Everything they do is decided by vote (although it's mostly votes against that are considered bc not everyone turns up to meetings). Xisuma runs the server and does admin, just as much as Hypno runs the website, and Doc looks into optimised mods for server performance. They've got ten years under their belt, I think they've got it sussed
haven't watched any mind crack since like 2013 but that sucks to hear they've gone that direction. use to just be everyone having a good time messing around
So many memories made on that server it brings me back but good on etho for staying authentic for over a decade its definitley helped cultivate this amazing fanbase
Honestly, I think the only reason Etho is not a part of Mindcrack anymore is because he doesn't want anyone to know his real name. And that is his right. Signing a contract would have meant people in Mindcrack would know his real name and other people as well I'm sure.
I can relate to not wanting to get into legal material either under some circumstances. I find it too much hassle over a game that is a hobby and I think Etho finds RU-vid to be a hobby, not a job. But him not giving his name is a valid reason too.
What are you talking about lmao, RU-vid is his job, it used to be a hobby if you watched him when he started. He used to accept donations, but once he got partnered It transitioned into full time for him.
I've actually heard that same thing from at least 2, maybe 3 other Mindcrackers talking about this before. I think Guude in one of his 7DTD vids mentions Etho not wanting his name out (among other things) Most in MC did know his name but I believe the contract would be public and others could find it if they looked.
Same, those where the days... Highschool and mindcrack, then I stopped watching Minecraft videos, then I stopped playing minecraft once Microsoft, lately I’ve been back into it but it’s not the same :(
Jeez, what happened? Mindcrack was only a singleplayer world and then a server, right? Then the Mindcrack community grew and now Etho needs a lawyer? Wow... Things HAVE changed...
i feel like his alot more comfortable being in hermitcraft since etho really just wanted to have fun and goof around and not sell stuff and do contracts
I don't think so. From what I've heard from Guude, Etho isn't entirely accurate on what happened here. Under the MindCrack contract he was not forced to go to events. People who didn't sign the contract weren't really "kicked out"; Etho and the others still have VIP status, meaning they can play on the various MindCrack servers & join UHCs. The contract was really about copyrighting the MindCrack brand. Those who signed have the right to use MindCrack and its logos in merch (e.g. t-shirts) and MindCrack has a right to use their name and image on their business stuff and merch. The meetings part is true as Etho would have to join in on that if he did sign. But regardless it doesn't change anything. I can see why Etho left; he liked MindCrack as a group of people he played with in Minecraft. Now MindCrack has gone past that and Etho just saw it as his time to leave.
Good for them; getting business and getting by, but I totally agree with Etho. He wants to keep things simple and enjoyable since it is still just a game.
I used to watch Beef Bdubs GennyB Etho Doc and almost all of them everyday to keep up with what was going on. But when they wanted to make the public server and it was barely working and then Guude and Rob had the falling out is when I could see that things were gonna change. Like not with everyone but you could definitely see that a few were trying to “fit the mold” of other Minecraft content creators at the time instead of being there unique selves which is what made it so magical originally. I remember guude saying they were thinking about doing what Yogscast does how they put the group name before the channel even. Just in the end greed and miss management did them in, not accounting for in fighting or burn out
After the shit I heard about Mind Crack from BruceWillakers. *THE TRUTH* I knew Mind Crack was fucked up. I know. Let them turn it into a business if they want to. But it's the same with every other big mine craft RU-vidr. They fuck with kids wallets. They target kids because it's Minecraft, *IT SELLS*. I personally in my own regards, even if it's business, consider it shady and unacceptable.
Morph Kogan I think he took it down, but it was along the lines of "Mindcrack became too business/money oriented so I left because my involvement in MindCrack would further and further become more copyrighted material for them not helping me expand my personal interests or businesses. (Minecraft Minigames)."
+Imag1ne Graser is taking the Cube into just being for the money. Everyone who isn't in it for the money is getting kicked, such as Minecraft4Meh and ThatOneTomahawk. Who wants to bet either Tofuu or Kiingtong is next?
I remember watching all the mindcrack episodes. Especially feed the beast, that was my favourite. It was honestly my dream to one day be apart of a small group of friends who just played minecraft for fun because of mindcrack. It's sad that they chose money over friendships.
i was looking for the video where etho explains this but couldn't find it. i guess i didn't watch that episode of the modded series. i saw Beef started on a new MindCrack server and was hoping etho would join it. but now i know why he didn't. sad to not see him in that series but good for him for sticking to his beliefs. i wonder if thats the reason why BDubs isn't doing anything with mindcrack anymore
robbeh salz I remember why bdubs left. He said that there was a contract that had things in it that he didn't agree with so he decided to leave mindcrack. It sucks because it was so entertaining but if he was doing what he believes in it's alright
+robbeh salz BdoubleO went super business-like, he just didn't want to do it with the Mindcrack group. Ever since Season 4 he and Generik started to slowly drift away from the group, doing their own B-Team stuff, and now they basically have no connections with Mindcrack anymore. If you look at BDoubleO's channel he doesn't even have Mindcrack guys on his featured channels, which is funny since he started off as a RU-vidr by idolizing Guude and became popular by playing with him in the OOG series and on the Mindcrack server starting Season 3.
Hi Etho :) I respect your choice ..... i would have done the same if i was you..... 'cause when too much business is a part of being in at team instead of having fun playing games.... the joy and motivation will disappear. :)
PSA: You can think what you want about the business side of Mindcrack, but the trademark was necessary; otherwise, anyone could use the Mindcrack name and logo as they pleased without the permission of the group.
That is not really what he was talking about. For instance, Hermitcraft's name is trademarked too, but that's it. No one really had to sign any agreements to do X, Y and Z to become part of the group.
