Why Everyone is HATING on Pax Dei 

You investing in the game with the founder packs, helping pay for the development. The game is going to be 40 bucks either way, hell games been 40 bucks for over 20-30 years now, it's the one thing inflation hasn't touched. The only thing you get to keep is the game that is promised is you the exclusive skins and your char slots. It doesn't even promise you get the plots of land.

You still wouldn't be ok if the game was 5 dollars and you had to pay 45 more at release so they might as well charge upfront. The game is going to have a subscription so it might not work for you at all. What is your solution to finance the game without subscription? Over the last 20 years I noticed free to play games are the most expensive.

@@Derzull2468 That is a lot of assumptions.. Let's correct them. I have a journeyman founder pack, if the game totally bombs, I could not care less.. it's disposable income. I have backed games for much more money in the past and most of those are either dead or dying. I have no issue at all with subscriptions as long as I pay something like 50cents/hr and I think people who object to subscriptions really do not understand why subscriptions are not a bad thing. I have spent money on and have been involved with gaming since the early 80s .. I'd say your uninformed assumptions would at best be based on what you think you read from my previous comments.

honestly the issue I have from listening to the content creators is you need at least $60 or $100 for this game up front in order to compete for resources. Plus, the resource nodes aren't random right now so that can make things even worse in the game. Plus, the combat isn't that great right now. Honestly, I would invest in $60 if they fixed these glaring issues. Yet again asking $60 instead of $40 at this point isn't great. To me you need content as well in the game but I haven't heard of content right now. Once you add up these glaring issues I agree right now the investment isn't worth $60 to $100 for this game unless I see a roadmap or the devs address these issues. I mean with the content I wish they would say, "well once you organize a village a guild could create a market place for content." Yet how can the content be created for everyone and how can there be a market place for goods? To me too many glaring issues right now. Unless these issues needs to be addressed I am holding out.

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Ayyy you in a Van too!? Niceeee!!!

I got my apartment recently myself

of course it has decent bones, most systems are from the asset store like chopping trees, hunting, gathering, all these animations are from the store, buuiilding, placing walls is from the building system that you can get on the asset store as well, nothing is that impressive in that game so far when you know where they got the "bones" of their game.

​@@MrImmortal709Yet, there aren't games like it. So while you may buy milk, eggs, and flour from the store instead of harvesting it yourself, it's how you mix them together that determines what you bake.

100% did the same thing. I had heard the name, but never looked into it, but a friend wanted to play with him. I was more than impressed, and glad I gave it a shot, because it's my kind of game. Most people can't handle the grind or the slow burn, but I love it.

Amazing!!! I’ll be sure to stop by your content too!!

I agree, some people think it's ok to release an unfinished game as unfinished, and that doesn't make sense. They should at least have some kind of warning that would alert people to the game not being completely done, so they could avoid playing something they don't want to play. Or maybe something saying the purpose is to test out systems to see if they would work or need to be expanded upon. Oh wait, that's what early access is, and that's what it's labeled as....

@@austinbaird558 Exactly people don't seem to know what early access means.

​@@commanderchaos5670yeah. Assidee from the fact its early access. Which is a signifieer in of itself. Every early access has to have an early access statement which if you pay attention is always at the top of the page. Regardless of how i think or feel. Not their fault for the user error in not actually using their eyes in any form or fashion

To be clear; it never had a beta period. It went from alpha to early access. "Combat needed some work" is very polite; it is basically using the default combat that the UE5 engine comes boxed with... it's borderline unplayable combat with almost zero content to go with it. Its like combat and content are entirely missing which is 2/3 of the game's promise. We didn't need another early access gather/crafter/builder that has nothing more to it; especially one that was going to come out charging for plots.

@@heartless_gamer ok… it was that last alpha then 🤷🏻‍♂️ lol sure seemed like a beta with how soon after it went to early access. My apologies for not getting it correct lol

Monthly sub won't start until full release, so in 2025 (at the earliest). Until then, no monthly sub, just gotta buy the game. Always can bow out at full release.

All the testers in the world won't help if they can't/won't fix reported bugs. See my post. LOL

@@Hat_Uncle Are you following me? lol joking. another "pay to test scenario"

@@everlonggaming1966 howdy! yeah, but if they don't DO anything with the data collected, then might as well make it Free to test, like they did.

Too much misplaced organized review bombing and trolling. This deserves to be considered carefully

many games only need 30 mins to see if it is junk. Like Valheim took me 30mins to see it was garbage.

@@boysaunders76 It's people like you who are the problem.

i cant imagine your reaction when you hear about the plot based monthly sub! the real problem in my opinion is the poor combat system and lack of content(some bad monsters to kill i mean), if devs start to focus in mounts fishing etc i think they have taken the wrong path

If I wanted to play Archeage (never heard of that one, actually) or Black Desert, I'd play Archeage or Black Desert and not Pax Dei. Also - nice you think you can judge what I, personally, think is worth buying. There's plenty of people who obviously thought not only that it was worth buying the game but who also thought it was worth paying more for it than the base price and went higher tier instead.

@@konkats-tg7pf They took the wrong path anyway. 4 years, 30 millions, which is nothing for a MMO, BUT : no mounts, no farming, no classes, no trade, no market, no quests, no lore, no towns, no npc, no writing, no combat (right clicking isn't "combat"), no bosses. Nothing but crafting and construction. Which aren't even close to being feature completes. That's a big problem if you think about it for about 2 minutes. Or just put all that aside and have fun. One can have fun with very little, like building castle in the sand. Doesn't mean I'll pay 40 bucks for it. And tbh, I do want to play and like this game. Truly.

@@mimmim13aiv 4yrs are nothing for a mmo development, that is why we are 2-3 yrs before true release. i think that devs want to work like Larian studios when they gave act1 of BG3 on early access, and that is fine with me. if devs need the$$$ i will suport with the40euro because i want a eu studio to succeed.time will show(btw i never buy EA games, this will be my first and last)

@@konkats-tg7pf I agree. That being said, I think that 1) game is way too ambitious for a small company with "only" 30 millions as it targets this whole "social sandbox MMO" experience. 2) The devs philosophy around this whole concept is wrong to begin with. Pax Dei's error is just to fail to understand a simple mechanic : social and community-oriented gameplay implies features that promote this aspect. Its almost philosophical game design wise. Thinking a sandbox MMO means its up to the player to imagine everything, as stated by the devs, without deep and interconnected features to support it, will 100% lead to a fail. What is social in Pax features ? Not much. Yet there's hundreds of features to be imagined. A messaging system to post in-game notices when looking for a craftsman? A pigeon system that would depend on a new profession branch? A guild system to organize these professions, agree on prices, or settle commercial disputes? A hand-crafted central hub with NPCs to create a flow between the players and encourage to meet in one central place? A political election system? A tribunal and crime features? That's just ideas flowing through my mind. Theres hundreds of features to be imagined, not all may work. Some certainly do. Like 95% of the so called "sandbox" MMO that didn't understand yet that if you're going for no classes, no quests, no writing, no lore, no market, no currency, no nothing, which is OK, you still have to build in game features to make your game a "social sandbox experience". That's the problem. How can I be a fisher or an animal breeder in game if the games doesn't give me a fishing rode or doesn't allows me to tame animals ? There's only so much I'm "free" to do in the framework the games gives me. Removing all the frame, meaning giving me no gameplay mechanics, doesn't make me free. On the contrary : it limits me quit drastically. That's the paradox the devs, be it from Pax or other games, fail to understand. Even in a tabletop RPG, which is the epitome of "the player is free," there is a rulebook as thick as a phone directory to support the players' freedom within a framework of rules designed to encourage creativity and liberty. Plus, there is a storyline constructed by the GM to bring the game to life and guiding you, the player. This is a philosophy that works. The player's freedom is expressed within a well-constructed framework. The better constructed it is and interconnected, the less the players will even feel like there are rules and game mechanics. The more the player will have fun and use the rules to live their experience. Removing all the rules and saying "you're free" is an intellectual scam. Any tabletop GM and any player who has experienced this idea of "do whatever you want" at least once the first time they played, understands what I'm talking about. Unless they change that and begin to work on trade, money, markets, central hub to create a meeting place for players, complex guild system, craftsman guilds, law system, prison system, elections, quest boards run by players or guilds, anything that makes this "social sandbox MMO" alive and allows the player to navigate and experience an adventure, the game will sink. As of right now, if the players want to experience any of that, they have to organize and meet through other means, outside of the said games, like Discord. That's really a shitty way to create a game.

That’s awesome man, good to hear!! A lot of people do mirror that opinion too.. !

This is good to hear!! And yeah, exactly that!

That's not it. 4 years, 30 millions, which is nothing for a MMO, BUT : no mounts, no farming, no classes, no trade, no market, no quests, no lore, no towns, no npc, no writing, no combat (right clicking isn't "combat"), no bosses. Nothing but crafting and construction. Which aren't even close to being feature completes. That's a big problem if you think about it for about 2 minutes. That's all "experienced EVE devs" are able to do ? Or just put all that aside and have fun. One can have fun with very little, like building castle in the sand. Doesn't mean I'll pay 40 bucks for it. And tbh, I do want to play and like this game. Truly.

4 years, "experienced EVE devs", 30 millions, which is nothing for a MMO, BUT : no mounts, no farming, no classes, no trade, no market, no quests, no lore, no towns, no npc, no writing, no combat (right clicking isn't "combat"), no bosses. Nothing but crafting and construction. And both of them aren't even close to being feature completes. That's a big problem if you think about it for about 2 minutes. Or just put all that aside and have fun. One can have fun with very little, like building castle in the sand. Doesn't mean I'll pay 40 bucks for it. And tbh, I do want to play and like this game. Truly.

They lit told everyone its not ready?

The devs say they are at least a YEAR out from a release candidate. This is true ea/alpha

@@thorjor1 One year, from alpha to 1.0 ? Does that sound ridiculous as a claim ?

@@mimmim13aiv yeah they're way too ambitious, extremely naive, you can see they're extremely new to this, a year to switch from alpha to 1.0 is ridiculous, and especially a damn mmo, combat is nowhere near even touched, it's literally unreal engine basic combat you find anywhere you go, they need to wake up

@@myst2212 As you said, especially for a MMO. Yet you know, "social sandbox MMO" somehow means no actual gameplay elements to back that social aspect. That also means no mounts, no farming, no classes, no trade, no market, no quests, no lore, no towns, no npc, no writing, no combat (right clicking isn't "combat"), no bosses. Nothing but crafting and construction. That's truly innovative. I think we both doesn't understand how revolutionary that is.

Awesome to hear man!

@@Pixiwish you are my favourite

DNS problems 😂😂 that is one of the silliest excuses I ever heard

Thank you mate! Excited to follow along their development and hope they do an awesome job.. 😍

I think you can reduce your plots too after EA, based on what we’ve heard so far.

Good to hear mate! Awesome!

Just buy it, play it during Early Access and when they release the full version in 2025 (at the earliest) and start witht he subscriptions, bow out. You'll get an entire year (at least) to play it for free and decide for yourself whether it'll be worth it to you to pay a subscription fee to keep playing.

Yeah I too wish they an awesome time developing!

Haha so glad you’re enjoying it!!

@user-lm6tv5fk8v only ever had 2 people not responding, but towns for sure are always up to RPing no matter who you find in said town, they'll give you time & the discussion almost always ends in opportunities for trade etc

To each his own, but I'm not spending a year of my time in a broken ass game like this

@@Dextrome Then don't but out of curiosity what game or games are playing that are not broken in some fashion or another?

😂😂 I actually googled windows XP sounds…

"When a game is in early access, it means that it is still in development but has allowed a certain group of players to test the game. The typical stages of early access can be described as pre-alpha, alpha, pre-beta, or beta phases." - so what's there exactly about Pax Dei that's not at least pre-alpha? It's not their fault people don't know what "early access" means and thus, got unreasonable expectations.

Good to hear from you Swe and thanks for your comment mate, glad you guys are enjoying it!

you are a cringe weirdo

Just trade for it

@@lyfzuxz no need as got it soon enough. 5 bins of free stuff outside 👻

That's the style of game. I've been having a great time playing. point of fact not everyone is going to like it, most I've seen enjoy it and I admit I have a lot of fun.

@@ferret1337 man, i played UO, starwars galaxies, everquest, this is 2024x even everquest had a better combat system. Comon.. The game has HUGE potential, But they didnt even Think of a salvage station

​@Erumyr OK this guy has legit concerns, I mean if you played SWG pre NGE and UO I give you respect you obviously know good mmos. I believe it's WAY to early to count this game out. It has a very solid foundation, but resource stacking needs fixed badly. The combat they said is an after thought until they get other things worked on. Remember this is a very early alpha. I see where they are potentially going with this title, and I'm hoping people give it some time instead of trashing it in its very early state.

How can players build next to end game resources when those resources are in the wilderness???

@@woundedsqrl yeah I agree with your sentiment, it’s very early. But I really hope the combat system is a high priority

overambitious is indeed the polite way to put it

That guy helped develop Eve Online… got quite the history outside of Cards

you mean the dev that was one of the founders of the studio that made EVE Online?

@@Danneh in that case, I'm quite wrong, but maybe my point stands to some extent. A passerby like me might skim through your interview and be put off by that haha

Well, you'll kinda-sorta be making your own content and quests ... it's not a theme park MMO where you'll get NPCs and pre-generated villages, towns and cities.

That’s kind of my point, I’ve been play testing PxD since the F&F began. The content has to allow for the player to be able to drive there own quests, right now, other than resource farming poi’s, dungeons, caves, and exploration, there is no reason to do anything other than build and craft.

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😂 it is fun

Perhaps the choice was to sell out to a large publisher and lose the vision of Pax Dei, or taking the chance with the community and believe this thing can be made as it was envisioned.

@@jonhelgiorarinsson8574 they arent an indie studio lmao

Why did they do EA in this state? 1. They need players to fill the world, because it is a true sandbox 2. They need the $

@@Lotus_Lenex 3. scam

@@Lotus_Lenex if so theyre goin down with it

Maybe that’s because you’re numb after cutting the minimal amount of 696969 trees!!

Hahahaha facts sorry my English

Nah but the trees just need to shake a little or something. Then the game is perfect people will be happy than

@@Ilone3765 😂😂😂❤️

Enshrouded and V Rising for sure

i dont think a pre-generated forest in UE5 is worth 100 dollars

No you didn't, you pre-order the game and got to help with development. When the game releases you will get a full game. Stop thinking EA/Beta as finished game. It's not. All your doing is pre-order a game while it's in development and get to help until it's released.

I really don't get the mindset of people who buy an early access game and think they're getting a fully finished game. Just stop it. That's not what early access games are. Early access games are basically the foundations of the game they're gonna turn into. Back in 2020, I bought Endzone - A World Apart in early access. It had the bare bones of a post-apocalyptic city builder. I knew it wasn't a finished game when I got it. What I got to experience was watching a game grow into its "end form". It's so much fun to watch a game "grow up" - Endzone's still my second-most played game on Steam even though I haven't played it in at least a year or so (too many other games to try out). That's what early access is about - you pick a game with solid foundations (and I'm seeing those solid foundations in Pax Dei) and watch it grow. And HELP it grow by providing feedback tot he developers and by sending in bug reports so they can fix any issues the game might have.

That plus people don't understand the meaning of early access. SO IT IS :D also Pay to win bc of more plots? i just cant see it \o/

@user-zc3pn4ux6v pay to win? I could see a conversation suggesting it but because it's a social game where you are more or less reliant on others, any one of them could have multiple plots or collectively they already do, I'd argue it's a pointless argument.

"When a game is in early access, it means that it is still in development but has allowed a certain group of players to test the game. The typical stages of early access can be described as pre-alpha, alpha, pre-beta, or beta phases." - pretty much what Pax Dei is, dude.

What players have come to expect from an EA title on steam is not what Pax Dei is, some pre determined wording doesnt change that. Is that the only part of my comment you disagreed with? Rest of it pretty spot on?

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For some people this is their first job 😭

@@Danneh 🤣

You thinking there will be any meaningful progress between now and full release is the epitome of gullible ignorance. You're obviously not a gamer, so no need to worry about that. But seriously, go look at any other early access game.

You thinking there will be any meaningful progress between now and full release is the epitome of gullible ignorance.

On point. Pax's mistake is believing that sandbox means stripping a game from anything and leaving the player without any gameplay features. "You're free to do anything you want". Yeah not really. I'm only able to experience thing within the confines of what the game offers. Here, what are the confines when you get absolutely nothing ? Social and community-oriented gameplay implies features that promote this aspect. A messaging system to post in-game notices when looking for a craftsman? A pigeon system that would depend on a new profession branch? A guild system to organize these professions, agree on prices, or settle commercial disputes? A hand-crafted central hub with NPCs to create a flow and encourage people to meet in one place? A political election system? A tribunal and crime features? People expect an ambitious game to offer ambitious mechanics. They expect from a game that goes against the grain, meaning one that promotes cooperation and community where modern games are all about immediate gratification, to offer new and unexpected mechanics. As it stands, the social and community aspect of a clan lives exclusively or almost exclusively thanks to features outside the game, like Discord. You go on Discord to chat, organize your guilds, find a craftsman, create quests and adventures. The game offers nothing to foster this community aspect within itself. Okay, there's a text chat at least. And they plan on a VOIP. Wow. The combat system needs to be created from scratch. Right-click to fight and swing your sword is not a "combat system." No directional blocking. No "chamber." No dodging. You can't attack and move at the same time... In short, they have nothing, no direction in which to go. That, I could forgive. Personally, the combat gameplay of a medieval game is the central element of the gameplay loop that keeps me engaged. But, I could overlook that if the rest was solid enough. Between the pitch used to describe and sell the game, and the promotion of "experienced Eve developers," Pax Dei is far from the product it could be. It's even far from the product it SHOULD be. Right now, it's just a construction and craftsman simulator for 40 bucks, in Early Access, with promises of being 1.0 in a year. Sure, right. It will take 2 to 3 years, not at the development pace between the 2023 alpha and this month's Early Access release. They need to pick up the pace.

EVE Online is fairly successful and follows this design. The developers aren’t runofthemill ghost devs. They’re OG EVE developers with an actual vision. Game will appease to plenty

lol ok you dont go do pois and stuff whatever

That’s cool man, there’s lots of people enjoying it too!!

It doesn't take much time with the game to realize there isn't much there to comment on. It is too green and was not needed in early access in this state. It will be a long term mark on the game that they forever are fighting against. Unfortunate to be honest. Given time to redo combat from scratch and get some content in the game it would of been pretty solid. As it is any of us waiting on the outside for major updates will likely be on to other things because we don't want the stigma of joining a game later in its life cycle.

Than don't pay, the 40 bucks is you pre-ordering the game for it's released. It's not released part of pre-order they are allowing you to test the game while it's in development. The problem is folks are thinking EA is a release of the final game but it's not. It's like none you actually read what's on the Store page before you buy it.

I think they need a new category that's far below Early Access. Early Access games should never be in this poor of a state and I've played plenty of them.

Great game

This game is a straight up fun place holder for me until Light No Fire comes out. There's lots good stuff in Pax Dei I hope Sean Murry takes inspiration from. If LNF releases and it's crafting isn't as in depth as Pax Dei is now in EA everyone(me) is going to be like dude sean I want to bake bread, but not just bread, I want to get the rye stalks, make rye grain, then rye dough, then put some grapes in the dough and bake raisin bread. You can do that in this early access game over here Sean what's up?

The only reason NMS is decent now is because someone came along and bought the dev team. Otherwise, it'd still be the pile of steaming shit it started out as.

​@@liamjonasscaleunfortunately I don't think it will be. I am totally looking to LNF as well, but it will want to appeal to the masses, and let's be honest, the masses don't like Pax Dei level of grind and craft complexity. But, maybe they will blow expectations away and we will get lucky! Cooking is always one of my favorite professions in games.

@@rremnar Source? I've never heard of ANYONE buying out NMS when it was in development to give the players what they'd asked for. After that, I know they sold stake, but that was for the DLC shit, not the OG

@@FinalStooge My bad. I guess I believe a rumor I read somewhere and believed it ever since. I did some more reading on the subject, and it seems Sony made an investment? I know Hello Games published on Play Station and Xbox. It seems their initial launch, even when bad made them a lot of money. Being a small team, and actually giving a dam, they reinvested that money into NMS, and went silent for a while until they had something of worth. Now they make a lot of money from sales of their game, which is why their updates have been free. Though companies like EA, etc, would have nickel and dimed us to death on those. If this info is wrong, then who knows how NMS was able to save their asses, when every one else flops.

I googled the definition of "Early Access" and got this here: "When a game is in early access, it means that it is still in development but has allowed a certain group of players to test the game. The typical stages of early access can be described as pre-alpha, alpha, pre-beta, or beta phases." - sounds like Pax Dei is, indeed, Early Access as per definition.

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I mean... that's a pretty low bar lol

"The masses don't understand." Spoken like a true kool-aid drinker. Here is an idea -- help them understand what they are missing. Make an appeal that makes the idea of doing a second job in a video game, sound like fun. If you love running around in Pax Dei, just load up Unreal and generate a landscape and run around, same thing.