So far there’s lots of evidence for evolution but no one has ever been able to demonstrate the existence of any god. I’m going to go with where the evidence leads.
My dear, your stupidity has gotten the better of you. Multiple arguments (viz. the case of a finely-tuned universe, the Kalam cosmological argument, the teleogical argument, the moral argument of St Anselm of Canterbury) and the indisputably solid evidence that support them all leads to the logical inference that there exists an intelligent mind who is a personal being, separate from all creation (time, space, energy, matter) and is the very bedrock of all reality
Disproving evolution is a coping mechanism to help ignore the fact that the way that God created the earth does not match up with what we know about the Earth now. The Bible describes a firmament separating earth from the heavens and the upper waters. But we know as a society now that space exists and that there are other planets. I'd like to see you explain that.
What's the problem with making a background? Game devs often make backgrounds for gamers to experience even though it isn't the primary focus of the game. Just adds to the atmosphere.
@@asphalthedgehog6580 Not once does God claim the universe is a certain age, and it frankly doesn't matter. You're just looking for any reason to stay away from God.
There are three kinds of people who deny evolution; those who don't understand it, those who deliberately misrepresent it, and a combination of the two. You seem like the second type, as most of your argumentation is against old and outdated literature, stuff which has been superceded by better understandings of evolution, a much more robust and nuanced explanation which you couldn't hope to argue against honestly, which is why you're dishonestly arguing against the older material. Like you'd said something to the effect that evolutionists (which is a dishonest term, we're just called educated) all agree that evolution is true, but can't agree on the mechanisms explaining how it works, and then posit how that could be. Which is silly. We all believe the sun exists. That's a fact. Even if some of us, or most or even all of us didn't understand how, it would not change that we all know it to exist. Similarly, those who actually understand what evolution is can agree it's a fact and that it happens without understanding or agreeing about every nuance to it. If we applied your logic to your god, then we could agree it does not exist because even though all Christians agree that God exists for a fact, they can't all agree on how or why or really anything at all else about this supposed god.
Quote: "Like you'd said something to the effect that evolutionists (which is a dishonest term, we're just called educated)". Why is it "dishonest"? Certainly there are educated people who do not deny science. Looking forward to your answer. Quote: "all agree that evolution is true, but can't agree on the mechanisms". So please give us an example of how you get to true. Quote: "We all believe the sun exists. That's a fact." Terrible example. Not a relevant analogy. Skip the meaningless analogies, and please give us an example of how you get to true. Quote: "Similarly, those who actually understand what evolution is can agree it's a fact". But why? Blowing smoke doesn't count. I have debated and discussed with many professors--not pretty. The "he doesn't understand evolution" defense is nothing more than theory protectionism.
It does not matter if Evolution is not Biblical - Evolution happened, it's a fact, it's beyond doubt. That we have not got all the mechanisms yet is just . . . science.
@@andrewthomas6312 This video made the claim that Evolution and the Bible are incompatible. In no way did it show Evolution is not a fact. Evolution is the theory that fits the facts
@@DarwinsGod Pelvises in Whales. Why animals group into families such as cordites, mammals etc. The disappearing families such as Trilobites oh . . . basically every observed biological characteristic. Look, we are great apes - they even have our behaviours.
Who cares?? I'm following all kinds of biblical 'evidence' on YT for weeks now, and my personal conclusion: you're in doubt about the bible stories. And yes, that happened 40 years ago in Europe. The USA is a country in development. So again: who cares if the bible is true or not? Get a life...
What is your point? Rather than labeling people is evolutionist you should refer to them as individuals who studied evolution and Have sufficient proof that it’s true. Your claim is that your God created everything out of nothing how is that Not magic? Please read more about science before producing more such videos.
Ironically, you are using common theological reasoning where the user assumes there must be a reason provided, or the other person's claim is false. You are attempting to understand something so far beyond your level of comprehension a lifetime of studies would not yield the results you want. We are limited beings.
Well that says literally nothing. Just because humans are “limited” doesn’t mean we can’t determine true from false. And by concluding that knowing god is beyond human comprehension your merely making excuses for not trying.
@@msmd3295by essence god isn't something you can expound, otherwise he wouldn't be one and you'd mock him as a storm god. But recognising some agency behind everything is intuitive and observant in virtually all sciences. So yes, such complexity at base is simple yet unimaginable to explain. Humans can only go further as are allowed to by their physical limitations. Does anything matter to you if you're dead ? Conscious is a real thing in face of emergent properties of neural wiring, which you couldn't essentially explain but only tell how it does what it does. So if you really think it for yourself, you'll find there's something instead of nothing.
Kelly What a dumb challenge. It only serves to expose your lack of critical thinking skills. It is irrelevant to the fact of creation. How is it that you can't even discern that?
@@lordsong7 did you bother to watch the video starting at the timestamp I referenced? 5:46. Maybe use a little lateral thinking before jumping to conclusions. Since you obviously have excellent critical thinking skills, far beyond my own, I won't insult you by explaining it further.
Do you have a gravitational model that supersedes our current understanding of gravity more than evolutionary theory can explain our understanding of species and biodiversity? I am not sure that creation has such a robust model.
When someone can provide objectively verifiable evidence that anything supernatural exists then I might consider belief in one, or several of, the hundreds of gods available in the many religions so far invented by humans.
@@281992pdr Oh, wait a minute. Something went wrong. You asked for "objectively verifiable evidence that anything supernatural exists," I gave it to you, but then you rejected it. I guess you didn't really mean it in the first place--note to self.
@@EnaiarrActually the retina's photoreceptor cell's phototransduction and signal cascade resulting in action potentials transmitted to the brain via the optic nerve, and the brain's electro-chemically based visual processing, are not "some fantasy" as you assert. Your rejection of this "objectively verifiable evidence" suggests you either lack understanding or have ulterior motives. Leibniz's point, from centuries ago, is relevant today.
@@DarwinsGod I viewed the videos that you listed to try to prove a supernatural being. Unfortunately it was as frog with errors as this one is. I’m not understanding why you have such desire to believe in the supernatural entity that’s creating everything? What are you getting out of trying to pedal that? Everything came here by Magic
So why people have the features of other animals again? God chose to lay dinosaurs in the ground and make us propose all these causal relations just because He isn't obliged to make a perfect world?
Quote: "So why people have the features of other animals again?" Having never created a world, I'm afraid that's a bit of a challenging question. But the question does reflect plenitude thinking (see here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WXv99YucjVA.html ). One reason species share similarities, beyond obvious reasons such as the fact they are on the same planet, with the same laws of nature and so forth, is that they share genetic information, which is crucial to biology. BTW, that seems like a good reason for a universal genetic code--yet another instance of science contradicting evolution.
4:09 Certain Bible passages are interpreted differently by different scholars. There are even three major branches of Christianity that hold different views. Does that disprove the entire Bible?
Evolution is not anti anything. Evolutionary biology is simply a scientific explanation for the diversity of life on earth. It couldn't care less about religion.
Edit: This thread is built on my misunderstanding of his thesis Your presentation falls a part with your first bullet point: "Evolution is a fact". Lets assume that this is true for the sake of argument. How does it undermine the bible? It simply doesn't undermine Genesis 1. Lets do an exegete of Genesis 1. If your going to take an overly literalist view of Genesis 1 days as we understand them simply could not have occurred until day 4 because the sun and moon were not there to distinguish between night and day. By this reading a day in this context could only mean a passage of time or more specifically a period from one change to another. Therefore we can deduce that days in this context is not the days as we understand them to mean 1 full revolution of the earth on its axis. Therefore when we get to the account of creation of man it is unclear as to the exact amount of time (regarding the revolution of the earth) we just know that there was a process from taking clay to a fully formed man. We don't know what happened in between there was there an evolutionary process or did it just happen, from our perspective, instantaneously. Either way there was a process that occurred. Everything I just said was noted by Augustine in his commentary on Genesis. It would stand to reason that because our bodies are matter then our bodies or our species developed in accord with nature. Evolution provides a plausible explanation that fits this reasoning. Just because evolution doesn't provide an exhaustive account of how something came to be doesn't mean that it is false. For example Newtonian physics was sufficient for our needs until physicist realized an incompleteness to it and developed quantum physics.
Quote: "Your presentation falls a part with your first bullet point: "Evolution is a fact". Lets assume that this is true for the sake of argument. How does it undermine the bible?" Actually your comment "falls a part with your first ... point," as the video does not claim this. You then launch into a diatribe completely irrelevant to the video. The rules here are that comments have to make at least some sense.
@@DarwinsGod You didn't rebut my statement. The entire premise of your video is how evolution is anti-biblical. I am so sorry that I brought the bible into a conversation relating to the bible. Silly me. The fact that you can't see how my comments relate is disheartening. It also suggests to me that you do not know what you are talking about regarding the bible and evolution. My point was to express that the bible doesn't assert a material mechanism for how humans came to be or other species for that matter. It posits a metaphysical mechanism. Also you don't explore how evolution is not a fact. You just merely assert it as such without any consequential evidence. Remember two things can still be true even when they look antithetical towards one another. I am willing to bet at one time in human history people didn't know that an acorn could become an oak tree. Just because you can't see how two things relate doesn't mean they don't relate. Best of luck to you on your journey through life.
@@AC_S007 Quote: "I am so sorry that I brought the bible into a conversation relating to the bible. Silly me." But of course your bringing the bible into the conversation was not the problem, and nowhere did I claim such. You are merely throwing out red herrings. Quote: "The fact that you can't see how my comments relate is disheartening." Maybe I can help you to see how off-base and irrelevant your comments are. Of course I am assuming you are teachable. Your first statement was this: "Your presentation falls a part with your first bullet point: "Evolution is a fact". But of course, that is **NOT** the first bullet point. The first bullet point is that Evolution is believed to be a fact. You next said: "Lets assume that this is true for the sake of argument. How does it undermine the bible?" But again, you misquote. The video does not say anything about undermining the bible. It says evolution is anti-biblical. That is different. So next, you launch into the predictable "literal Genesis" argument, now light years away from the thesis of the video. Next you present the usual epistemological red herring: "Just because evolution doesn't provide an exhaustive account of how something came to be doesn't mean that it is false." But of course that isn't the claim. The claim is that evolution is true; an undeniable fact--which you got wrong right at the start. To summarize, you comments are not relevant to the video's thesis. That should be obvious. Hopefully now you are not disheartened.
@@DarwinsGod After reading your mdpi article I do apologize for rashly misunderstanding your presentation. I also apologize for rashly mischaracterizing your knowledge on the subject. I ask humbly that you accept my apology. It is a much more nuanced conversation that you are trying to convey then what is normally expressed. I am not sure that I agree with your thesis but I do understand it. It was your persistence in responding that made me recognize that there had to be more than what is at play. Thank you for that and again my apologies.
@@AC_S007 Apologies accepted, for sure. Thank you for taking a look at one of my journal papers and, while not necessarily agreeing, taking the time to understand. You may find the other papers interesting. Thanks again.
Too bad for the Bible - or rather your particular interpretation of it. The majority of christians in Europe, Canada and even the USA is totally okay with evolution theory.
Peter P. Utter bovine feces. You've been thoroughly conned and will remain conned until you get your head out of the evolutionists' propaganda mill. The science is against you.