Since i received my S5IIX I film every talking head shot in open gate. Such a usefull thing. I just posted my first video on the Lumix yesterday. I am curious on your takes on this beauty. Greetings from Germany.
I am really looking forward to that. And even though I really enjoy the Lumix, I hope this will make Sony put in a bit more effort on certain things like Updates. Thanks for all your great work! You were one of the most important channels for me to start my own RU-vid jouney. @@dunnadidit
LUMIX always has so many amazing features and abilities on their cameras that are so easy to navigate and use. I loved using their GH4 and GH5/5S cameras! Glad to see them doing some great stuff here.
Totally! They’ve been doing some great stuff for a while now. I love seeing it all culminate in their full frame lineup because I’m a full frame snob haha 😂
I hang out in B&H pro video so they show me a lot of fancy cameras. Interestingly, Lumix was the first recommendation. FX6 the second, Alexa the third 😂😂😂😂
many hybrid cameras are oversampling from the full sensor anyways so if you shoot overall wider on the day and reframe/crop in post I don't think you'll need open gate without fear of losing quality especially if you're delivering in 1080
I do miss open gate going from the Fuji X-S20 to the Sony ZV-E1, but the other advantages do make up for it such as much higher dynamic range, actually usable stabilisation, no corner wobbling, smaller/lighter package, better skin tones, affordable lenses to achieve background/foreground separation, better built-in audio, etc, etc.
Feels like you’re just stating camera features that come with a more premium price tag and camera. Of course better in camera features especially the difference from FF to APSC make a difference in the footage captured. But that’s missing the point since open gate is huge for image capture there probably won’t be a more practical way to capture images in the coming future unless we change the way we view videos. Your talking about camera features that differ in quality with price and company this is about a much better format to capture footage that is just software that can be added to any modern camera. Open gate allows people huge amounts of flexibility in the data they capture especially in a professional environment hopefully Sony adopts the technology as soon as possible there’s honestly no disadvantage.
much better solution is when camera manufacturer makes "build in sensor rotation in camera" that allows to rotate the sensor 90 degrees in camera with a button
What about lenses.. prices, weight, sizes, diversity.. Shall I sell GH5s with a line of m4/3 anamorphic lenses fm Sirui and Ninja recorder (open gate+all other benefits of ProRes RAW etc.) and buy full frame l-mount S5iiX?
I've seen a lot of Open Gate explanations, but this is the first time I've seen it explained to me and actually compels me to try it myself. Nice work sir.
I've just bought the S5iiX, can't wait to use it on an upcoming trip... quick question, doesn't the opengate only support 4:2:0 colour, not 4:2:2 like the other modes (4K etc)? Do you think this is an issue if shooting V-LOG & producing your own grades?
I think open gate for filmmaking is the best use of that feature. Taking an open gate shot and cropping to a vertical video, which most people view on their smartphones, seems like overkill since they really wouldn't notice the difference in quality on such a small screen.
It's not just the quality. If you switch to vertical and you have more height, you also get more width to play with. If you film a person you can position the frame in a way that the head is more or less in top of the frame, cut a lot at the bottom for 16:9 and vertically you get the full person right in frame. I use open gate sometimes when filming in streets and I want to avoid converging lines on interesting buildings. I can keep the camera horizontal and cut a lot away from the bottom of the image. The effect is the same as using a shift lens. I use M43 so I have even more room to shift.
@@Ulrich.Bierwisch Oh yea, I am in full agreement with the reframing choices open gate gives you. It’s the use in vertical videos that I think it becomes overkill.
Set this for "Save Later" cuz I've gotta get some stuff done today, but I wanted to come to say the thumbnail is fantastic. Also can't wait for Open Gate on more cameras
Great video... but it also sounds like you really love the Lumix S5IIX not just because you are partnered with Panasonic😁... Do I see a defector from Sony in the making?
All the reframe stuff @ 6K "Open Gate" same as I do with 8K on the R5C when you have enough pixels and the right lens open gate doesnt matter :) you can reframe all day long. Camera probably wont handle the full sensor at full resolution, so it could do a 6K oversample similar to this if they wanted, but it would just be an alternative to filming in 8K as the camera already super samples from the larger part of the sensor when recording in 4K. To be fair, editing 6K footage will be faster/easier for most people. 8K editing is demanding.
Really looking at moving from sony for an opengate. I find i'm doing much more work on vertical for work, and have a a6600 that I hardly use that I wanted to either change for a full frame or use it as a webcam but I think I can get a cheaper camera for that anyway. I still have my sony full frame but I think with opengate and the stabilisation of the panasonic it might work well for my second camera, worst case I can resell and get another sony instead without having to change much of my work flow.
Shooting Open Gate is literally a money making feature, as you can sale/generate multiple deliverables with a lot less effort (not shooting everything twice) and in better quality (resolution, and less distortion than when just shooting vertical)
Kind of! I tried my best to mention the open gate part and the resolution part as kind of two separate but intersecting things, but they do get kind of mingled. You can definitely pull a 4k vertical from a 6k 16:9 video if you have the ability to shoot that, but unless you’re explicitly shooting a bit wide on purpose, you’re not quite getting as much vertical framing as you would with 3:2. That’s really the advantage… with the more “boxy” 3:2 ratio, I barely even have to think about framing for both, it kind of just works most of the time. Where, when you film 16:9, you need to be more intentional to pull nice looking vertical compositions.
It really depends... it just gives you a little bit more flexibility in the aspect ratio but it's nothing that can't be achieved with proper framing. I know I definitely wouldn't use it to track motion like someone walking across a scene because you are going to lose parallax and add some weird motion artifacts. Open gate or not you aren't losing any image quality by changing your aspect ratio. It's when you decide to crop in on your aspect ratio that you will lose resolution in both open gate or standard 16:9. Adjusting your aspect ratio would simply be taking a 9:16 clip out of your 16:9 shot or 3:2 open gate shot from top to bottom. The result would be an image that looks a bit more zoomed out from the open gate sensor which can be equalled by proper framing in the 16:9 sensor, and likewise you can crop in on the open gate sensor to match the 9:16 of the 16:9 sensor and again the image quality would be identical and if you cropped in from there on both 10x you would still lose the same image quality on both (presuming same sensor resolution etc). Not to mention you lose the potential for higher frame rates ie slow motion when shooting open gate... unless you're Arri of course... even still 90fps isn't a lot. The "professional" reasoning behind shooting open gate is to match aspect ratios in post and alleviate the need to do multiple takes framed in different aspect ratios. It's a very cinema camera feature designed around saving money on set and in post. All in all the benefits are really not that ground breaking and don't offer any major advantage over a standard sensor. There's a far more dramatic effect between an APS-C image at 35mm focal length and a Full Frame 35mm focal length than shooting from 16:9 to 3:2 open gate!
Open gate is especially useful for cropping to 4:3 because then you can use the full height of the sensor compared to cropping the 16:9 video to 4:3 where there is a decent amount data lost at the top and bottom of the sensor.
Most of my clients are looking for HD, so I've been shooting 4K Anamorphic with a Non-Anamorphic lens on my Lumix GH5s for that Open Gate effect. It's been working pretty well as long as I don't forget to leave myself some breathing room on my shots for editing.
hope to find an answer here, when placing 5.7k footage (5720x4320 pixels?) on to a 4k 16:9 timeline (3840 x 2160) the footage is a bit smaller the the timeline and i have to zoom in to make it fit. but it should be a lot bigger then the timeline is. anybody know what i am doin wrong? thnx
It might be because the ratio is different than 16:9. Is it filling the entire height but not the width of the frame? In Davinci resolve, there are scaling options that allow you to fit, fill, or crop footage that is a different size from the timeline resolution.
One thing to keep in mind when creating vertical content from a 16:9 ratio, is that you'll get less blur in the background, because you need to increase the distance to the subject. On the other hand, turning the camera 90 degrees lets you get closer even when using open gate, which increases the blur (if this is something you like/need). Other than that, I wish I had open gate on my camera too! Nice video btw.
they anamorphic lenses DO NOT squeeze the image - they stretch it across the vertical plane of the sensor - you then squeeze it back in post. your horizontal resolution does not change - but the vertical does - because of that. not trolling - just a very common misconception- might be worth pinning for.
You obviously have never used an anamorphic in your life, or edited anamorphic footage. An anamorphic contains flat vertical cylinder that cause a wider image to project on a narrow sensor, in edit a horizontal stretch is applied to widen the viewing aspect. Go check out Anamorphic on a budget course on how anamorphic works before telling another channel to pin your comment.
Thanks for the breakdown. I never really understood why folks were so interested in open gate, but this makes a lot of sense! Thanks for sharing, Dunna!
I get it all, but it's still not that big of a deal IMO. It'll be great when it's ubiquitous, but I'm good to wait. I'd honestly rather have Global Shutter before Open Gate.
The OG S5 (yes not the S5 II/IIX) has "open gate" video recording at 30P as well, but is hidden in the menu. Change camera mode to "M", change selected burst mode (I use II) to use 6K Photo, change mode to S/S (shutter start/stop). Limited to 15 minutes per recording, but you can select 3:2 (5183x3456) and 4:3 (4992x3744) aspect ratios and even set Photo Style to V-Log. Includes audio! My understanding is that is also 200Mbps bit rate recording. I've used it successfully for far better Anamorphic than the official "Anamorphic 4:3" mode on the OG S5. Hey Panasonic, why not move it to the video menu in a future firmware for the OG S5 as a friendly gesture for the older camera owners? Anyway, any older OG S5 owners, enjoy "open gate!"
Spot on. Old fashioned but then I started with a clockwork Newman. The recent launch of the Lumix S9 showed a lot of beautiful shots in 65;24 so I bought the camera with the idea of shooting in open gate. I edit in Final cut and would love to be able to do moves of the 65:24 within the open gate is that possible? So far I have been unable to shoot 65;24 I suspect I have not been in the right record quality. Not easy for us old timers do you have a book to help us move in these exciting times. Thank you Barney
Just a few years ago…people were obsessed with wide aspect ratios. Everything was 2:35:1 or wider. Anything even remotely squared was considered “amateur” and not “cinematic”. Now is 2024, everyone wants to shoot in open gate 😂
As a Sony user I'd more than just love this feature as it is slowly coming a necessity. I've already lost a client/marketing company to the Panasonic users in the area as Opengate has become a bit of a buzz word that all social media company's now want!
So true. Just bought the S5II and can't wait to shoot in open gate as I love the ability to go vertical easily and not lose as much resolution. Open gate needs to be a thing on all these hybrid cameras going forward, just like global shutter should be.
Dont forget to PLAN the shot, and frame accordingly.... No Reason to reframe! To have flexibillity just makes You lazy and you try to be creative in post..... No serious filmmaker needs this... Just for quick an dirty, OR RU-vid/Insta.... Good creators shoot it so often they need it for the output they intend .... Just to save time, and money doesnt mean that you create more creating.... Fake camera movement is FDAKE.... Just Plan with a shot list and work.... Those reframed shorts made out of the original is spotted fast, and gives me the impression that the creator made short cuts and doesnt give the short the same seriousness and status... I feel cheated.... if I spot it, I normally dont look at the long version.... But I know that RU-vid is not film, and everything has its purpose.... but it is boring..... EVerybody makes mistakes....Just refilm it
This is why I think people are sleeping on the Panasonic s1 - it's a fraction of the price second hand - but it's got the same specs as the s5iix except it's a bit heavier, it's not got a fully articulating screen or autofocus. In some cases it's £1500 cheaper to buy an S1. I know it's more specific than that including the new bit rates available on the S5iix but you could buy an external recorder monitor with the money you save getting an s1 and record Blackmagic RAW
When you film 6k on Panasonic s5ii open gate 3:2 do you lose the 6k if in post if you choose to use 16:9 per se and end up in 4K ? If you go to instagram vertical 4 by 5 do you end up in 1080p ?
Just get 8k camera and solve all this issues. Open gate is nothing more than trying to get your 4 cyl engine to equal a 6cyl engine laden with fat people in it. A V8 engine is superior to both and you can open gate all day long with plenty of resolutions left.
Thank you for this explanation it really helped me understand much more as I am primarily a musician and sound engineer/ producer of music, over the last couple of years I’ve learnt a lot by teaching myself video production and editing , so I can create music videos to accompany the tracks we have recorded. I’ve learnt a lot of really useful and great techniques but there’s always so much more you can learn and miss when try to teach yourself and more often than not you end up going down your own road and having tunnel vision, it’s the same when recording and producing music by yourself, when the other band members are present I always find it’s much more creative as having other peoples ideas and techniques always gives the tracks addition feel, flavour, character and dynamics that may not of thought of. The video aspect of which ratio I should ideally film in has caught me out a number of times and when editing and post production I’ve lost parts of the frame I expected or wanted to be there. So cheers this explanation has made me think about this and understand what I should be doing when actually recording video. Big thanks Steve
super easy to understand the open gate concept. I'm a newbie and didn't understand why other people was so exciting about the open gate 6K on S9. Now, I know. Thanks
With having the R5c and R5 I feel when I shoot in 8K without over sampling although it still restricts you to 16:9 i have a lil wiggle room in post BUTTT way to go Panasonic for allowing that feature for the value it’s industry leading we need more companies like this !
Great explanation about OPEN GATE - until this week I've never heard of it - Your explanation paired with the graphics is the best on RU-vid (seriously the best) - Could any brand of Camera create a software update for OPEN GATE shooting? Thx again for a GREAT explanation!
That’s so great to hear! Thank you! To be honest, I’m not sure how one goes about creating the necessary processing and software in a camera to enable open gate. I get the feeling that there is a lot to it in the development of the camera but I’m just guessing.
A perfect thumbnail and great tips for open gate shooting. I use the GH6 for my day job and as much as I hate that camera the IBIS and open gate are it’s saving grace since I’ve got to do so many different cutdowns for different aspect ratios quickly. If they gave me great open gate on my A7siii I’d never even consider Panasonic. The flexibility is just too helpful.
Absolutely! Cameras are so good today I don't feel much of a need to upgrade for quality reasons. But this is more a workflow reason that could sway me to upgrade my R5 or BM Pocket cameras down the line.
Open gate is definitely something that I'm looking forward to becoming a norm. The capabilities of open gate recording just gives me so much more flexibility in post that it is the only reason why I'm having such a hard time deciding between a Sony A7 IV and the Lumix S5 II.
I've been wondering what this technique I've been using is called. It's honestly been one of the best practices I've been using for filming these last 3 months. So much more repurposeability in my camera
Open gate sounds sick! This is what I need for my workflow. I hate having to capture vertical separate from horizontal or going to 1080p for vertical using the same clips. Thanks man
I’ve used this a few times on my GH6 and like it. Only two things that make me not shoot it all the time, the first being it only allows me to shoot in 5.9k which can be a pain to edit on my computer being in h.265 (you can do pro res but it’s 1100mbps!) and the other is on my 5 inch atomos monitor it doesn’t fill the whole screen as it’s a 16:9 display so makes it harder to get focus.
Thanks for the video! Would you recommend editing a video with the timeline clips as 3:2 and then changing the sequence settings to your desired resolution when you're done OR Setting the sequence settings to your desired resolution when creating the project from the start?
I wish open-gate was more of a thing from the very beginning. Begging for it from manufacturers now feels so impossible. The thing is, if they're going to offer things like RAW or LOG... then why not open-gate, clearly those who WANT to edit/color/frame, need that kind of flexibility, hell they can bury it 10 levels deep in a menu for all I care, it wouldn't be there for the casual user.
Great video. I didnt know what was open gate at all. Hey maybe a firmware update from Sony for the sony a7 IV that adds open gate will be a very good option, instead of having 7k oversampled footage. It will be better if we get an open gate that you can decide if you want open gate 5K up to 30fps or normal 4k up to 30fps from 7k oversampled.
Thanks. What is the easiest way to get a 9:16 or 4:5 crop in post when shooting open gate? Not sure if there is an editing program that will auto crop into those formats.
Yes, I think this could be the next game changer for creators. I've already figured out my own way to get the best out of my resolution but this solution seems so simple and efficient at the same time. Let's see how this development will roll in the future and thanks for this video :)
I agree, it is a great option, I tried it on my FujiFilm X-S20 which also offers 6K Open Gate recording, but unfortunately my older laptop almost died when processing the 6K file, so firstly I have to look for some new one which would be able to process such a big recording files 😁
If Sony doesn’t add it in the next rendition of the FX series I will strongly consider moving to RED. I want to fully embrace anamorphics, but I know 16:9 censors limit it’s visual potential.
Great video, do you have a video about how to edit Open Gate into the various formats. I have just got the G9 II and shooting open gate but having a hard time knowing how to edit it on a 4K timeline. Any tips would be great.
