Why Fun Should Triumph Over Balance | Asmongold Reacts 

Oh man, Asmon is only one step away from reacting to every warhammer 40k faction now. I can only hope

Of course the time the magnificent forehead , the Brick himself, comes up on this channel he has a douchy hairdo and starts with an overly long ad. The guy is worth watching, have done for a long time now. If this didn't convince you, the rest of his channel very much might. ^^

I'd disagree about the idea of changing it asap because something seems imbalance. Coming from Fighting Games scene, historically, many times a character are deemed as OP and people demand they to be nerfed, 4 months later no one talked about that anymore because people discovered that the character actually isn't as broken as they thought, it's just the scene hasn't adapted and found the counter to the character yet but instead of labbing it they decided to post on twitter instead.

video starts 2:59 i thought youtube's 10 second ad was already bad, but a 3min sponsor ad? jesus

The Aurelion Sol rework has not been released. He has no idea what effect it will have.

imo no series embodies this mindset better than halo. or rather the negative effects of trying to having everything be super balanced and be super viable in a competitive environment. the og games were super focused on FUN, dual wielding, hijacking, assasinations, some guns were pretty useless in a more competitive setting but they were still cool looking and super fun to use, nade jumping, gravity hammer flinging players and vehicles around. and slowly over time stuff like this was taken out or balanced to fit more in and encourage more comp and esports focused play. its to the point where all of halo infinites vehicles feel shitty, grav hammer imo feels like complete ass, stalker rifle, mangler, some of the other guns that i don’t remember the names of rn are just either A. worse versions of previous guns or technically better but just less fun, case and point… the sniper being SUPER hard to use, or the stalker rifle being a slower shooting carbine from previous games that requires super pin point precision, or it even applies to how they design the maps, the player collision, removing a lot of the wacky and fun physics etc

It seems like Sombra is the reworked true stealth Akali of Overwatch. Fun to play probably but pisses people off.

fun is subjective to the individual, like music, and for competitive players comes from competing in a balanced environment

I see Sombra as a rouge in wow. Yeah, you always gotta a look out for those lol

as in, removing the dot smoke from Singed and make it something else. or remove the shrooms from teemo.

almost 6 minutes before that guy actually started the video. jesus.

This issue is why I quit wow. My spec (destro) was OP end of BFA because of borrowed power creep, so they completely gutted it and changed how it played. It went from being a deterministic cleave spec to a totally rng aoe spec in the name of balance. Also - i played this spec when it was rubbish and when it was great, I just love the cleave play style, and even when it was “bad” I still did big numbers. Fair enough if it needed a nerf, but ruining the identity of my favourite spec killed the game for me.

Asmongold reacting to Bricky's warhammer 40k factions videos would be awesome

Asmongold and Bricky at the same time is the best crossover I've ever seen

Bricky is one of my favorite people on RU-vid, hes such a chill dude

As a Scorch main back in the glory days of titanfall 2 I loved it. The feeling of empowerment when you catch 2 enemy titans out in close quarters with your ult you know both of them were screaming "WHO THE FUCK USES SCORCH!" and that would bring the biggest smile to my face. Sure I got shit on the majority of the time but goddamn did it make me bust a fat gamer nut everytime it worked

Asmon discovering Bricky is something I never expected but IM ALL FOR IT LETS GO

The Sombra issue reminds me of getting stunned in D&D. The stun mechanic makes sense mechanically, but it's not fun to lose an entire turn without any way to overcome it.

I absolutely love Bricky and his vids. They're usually on some speciifc game and I've found a lot of great games through him but sometimes he does general topic ones like this too

I think balance and fun go hand in hand. Fun to play should also mean fun to play against.

starcraft 2 didn't have balance changes for a long time, but pro players can always come up with new play style that counters previously considered to be too overpowered strategy, to some degree you don't need to balance too often, people will come up with new play style, but also balance is needed to deal with some problematic issues.

For me it depends on the game. Non-pvp games that are still competitive like diablo titles or pve mmos don't really bother me too much when there's a "meta" that's moderately more effective. It can be annoying when they are practically required to play the game, but not nearly as big of a train wreck when pvp games are unbalanced.

I can relate to this video. I always loved playing Murky in HOTS. He was insanely squishy early game and your team had to support you in team fights, but if they did you would just stomp the enemy as soon as you hit level 20. Before that I played Lucio, but they nerfed his healing talent that let you double crossfade to reset amp it up's duration, so you basically cut your healing and speed boosts in half by losing that talent.

CSGO feels fun to me because of how high the skill cap is, everyone is the same character and has the same utility but you can always get better until you're the best in the world

WoW players cheering on how balance should be the priority are the same people complaining how every class in WoW feels the same, and how class identity is gone. Ultimately balanced games just turn into chess where everyone has the exact same tools, and that's not something MMOs should strive for. In my opinion being kinda OP is fine, as long as there are a lot of little ways for different classes to be OP in their own unqiue way.

Asmon acting like a dad figure towards Bricky feels my heart with hope. :')

Would love to see Asmon react to more of Bricky's stuff, the dude has some great Warhammer 40K vids

The two major things worth bringing up is that one, balancing in multiplayer games like Overwatch is REQUIRED to enable the identities of differing characters to even really shine and be relevant. Sure widow might have a really important identity, but if she is the end all be all of an Overwatch meta it forces characters like Pharah out and makes the game overall way less diverse and interesting than if you change the balancing so different playstyles are viable. The other point is that while preserving a character's identity in balance is preferred, there are times it is not attainable because the identity itself is far too flawed to make sense. Take Doomfist, although he was bad for most of Overwatch 1, he was unfun to play against due to him being a Tankier dps one shot character that could rollout from 2 miles away and just kill you, it just wasn't engaging to play against and it made the game kind of feel like a horror game where you have to check every other corner and roof to not get oneshot. This is combined with the fact that his whole kit was a dps with cc. While having cc to combo people and a one shot in his fist was his major identity in Overwatch 1, in Overwatch 2 when both there is less of a focus on cc and in general oneshots like his didn't feel great in the game, it made sense to change his identity to fit the overall game more so that there is less frustration. (Again, I know doom was dogshit but I am just referring to his identity and playstyle) Yes we should preserve a character's identity all we can but there are simply times that it is not possible to do so while maintaining a healthy game for everyone else.

Bricky and Asmon is the crossover I didn’t know I needed

i think the only time balance > fun is if the game is meant to mainly be competitive. for example siege was fun because it’s prioritize being competitive over being fun and that’s what made it so enjoyable, granted it was very hard to get in to.

Bricky and Asmon! This is awesome, love both creators and I hope Asmongold watches the 40k Factions because man are they legit interesting (even more so thanks to Bricky’s presentation style).

Balance should be desired and sought after, but it should not compromise fun and uniqueness

There is an aimbot, it's called quitting casual games. Then you'll hit shots.

Razorfist had an interesting take: he said "hero" shooters/moba can't be perfectly balanced cause RPGs can't cause balance isn't the point. There are hardcore shooters with perfectly symmetrical maps and everyone getting the exact same loadout, but only a minority plays them. And for RPGs, you'll never "sell" one where all classes are the same, at least you won't make much money.

I think both Asmond and Bricky made good points about negative press in games, but it's important to consider whether the game is free or not, if you only hear bad things about new world you're not gonna spend $50 on it, but league? it's free, your friends play it and you constantly hear about it, so yeah you're probably gonna make the mistake of playing league of legends

I'm happy to have been alive when asmon would watch bricky. Two of my favourite creators

I just have to say that this dude doesnt know what he's talking about showing a picture of Aurelion Sol in League. Many challengers one trick that champ. If you dont understand him Bricky thats on you

It is fun in the form of preserving the idenity of the character vs balancing in the form of homogenization, like in retail wow for exampel where every class have a stun, heal and shield now, where in classic every class felt unbalanced but very unique. I prefer the game being unbalanced but fun and classes feeling unique over making every class have similar abilities.

I get what Asmon is saying about pre-nerf Zaria. at times it would feel like I was throwing just because she was a meta Pick and I wasn't using her. but at the same time, it felt like it would have been scummy to use her because of that. it also felt like I would be admitting defeat by switching to her. like I gave up and just went with the meta because we were losing.

I don't think people play games for fulfillment. It is primarily for fun or relaxation. If you are playing games for fulfillment you need to get out more just saying.

When I was young I played for fun. Then during and after college I played for fulfillment. Liking the feeling of progress. But for many years already went back to playing for fun again.

To be fair for Bricky, he stated very clearly what his idea of fun was and that was identity, while Asmon leans more to skill based fulfillment, where it's the interactions between the opponents instead of what your character wants to do.

I'm glad he mentioned Mass Effect. My favourite single-player trilogy(even though he talked about the multiplayer aspect of it).

fun comes before balance and my class is bad.

One of these days I'll get the whole world to play For Honor.

I'll never buy another gaming laptop again. I've owned 3, the first one, lasted as expected, was great. The 2nd and the 3rd ran great until Nvidia upgraded to newer levels of graphics cards.. (gtx turned to rtx 20 series, then 20 series turned to 30 series) then magically BOTH of them had the graphics cards go out within a month of the new release, and of course, the geforce update, was the culprit, but when I tried to use the warranty, i was always just a month or 2 passed the warranty date. The last one, I barely even used for gaming, it was a work/school only computer, with very few hours on it. I built a box again, and am having Zero issues, but I will say that the 2 broken laptops, were $1700 from 2016, and $3700 in 2020, i believe. When the update happened, suddenly my computer no longer saw the NVIDIA card and removed it from Devices altogether. BEWARE planned obsolescence.

it was awesome though, they tried to change Symmetra, but the gay community went after Blizz who already had their Rainbow suspenders on to show their support, and they literally worked her back to original.... Symm is one of the most fun heroes to play in that game, they have all but ruined the franchise by removing the original version of OW. I still have the original disks for EVERY Blizzard game, Diablo's/ Starcrafts/ Warcrafts etc etc...... why in the HELL, would they erase a game I bought, and played daily? It's hard to support the Game Development community right now.. the AAA game devs.. anyway.

This is a terrible argument. The more balanced a game is the more fun it is. He is arguing that balance should be an afterthought to identify. It is horribly unfun when a character/legend is clearly overpowered. It’s unfun for the other team, and it is unfun being forced to play that character. It is better to have some under tuned than have one CLEARLY better. At least in that case you disappoint a couple heroes vs make a stale and mandatory meta. It literally ruins games: Destiny and stasis. Overwatch and Brig (or Zarya or Sojourn). Apex and Sear. Not fun to play against and no diversity.

Rest In Peace Techies in DotA 2 😢

14:55 If it is so fun, why doesn't anyone play it anymore? If it was so fun, the gameplay should've spoke for itself and would continue to be played to this day by a massive amount of people. Nowadays, I think 2000 is the highest I've heard in the last few years. This isn't a comment about fun vs balanced, but I am saying it is a terrible example.

One HUGE problem is when a game has real pros and high stakes competitions. The developers usually balance for the masses, not the pros. It makes truly competitive PvP games less entertaining for the spectator. There are a few games I didn't even play yet still watched the competitions. I stopped watching because the game was balanced for noobs.

I would loose hours of my life just watching Asmon react to 40k lore

It does not have ddr5 in that laptop I'm sorry I hope this guy was joking

21:35 chess? Really, that's your pick for most balanced game? In the top level for chess, there is a huge imbalance between black and white and that's what makes it interesting. As white, you're expected to at least draw while as black, most times you hope for a draw. That's why someone winning as black in pro play is seen as a great thing as you did something against the odds. Chess is the perfect example where a game is fun because of its imbalance.

When the fuck does Asmongold plan to react to 40k factions in a nutshell? Or the Ghorstcrawler interview?

Exactly the reason why i rarely play mp games. I used to play league and dota back in the day but now I can't even bring myself to watch them. Now i just play fromsoft titles and Monster hunter.

I think it's better to err on the side of having under-powered characters in asymmetric games, because in the worst case scenario where they are apparently useless there is a chance for players to discover things & make memorable plays with an underdog character.

Oh wow didn't expect Asmon reacting to Bricky, what a time to be alive

Man this video hits close to home - I have abt 3.5k on Doomfist in OW1 and I've been gm/t500 since s10. His unique game-play and the reward you would get out of his mastery was so satisfying and the main reason why I kept grinding the game. I was first concerned, but still intended to play him, whenever they announced Tank Doom would be a thing, but him just being complete dog tier at launch and lowering his skill ceiling by killing most intriguing techs us doom players would learn made it really demotivating for me to play. Which makes me really envious, since the majority of people are convinced (including me) that ow2 is a better game overall. I stopped playing during my climb at m1/low gm mmr, because I had enough of the unrewarding gameplay and cancerous community flaming you 24/7 for playing him. I played doom in all the metas at high elo in the past ,no matter the meta, I played it and even back then he was was dogshit in most metas and yet he still had something that made it fun and rewarding to play him , but yes while dooms gameplay is still unique it just didn't keep the fun that made me fall in love with him in ow1. And I know I'm not alone, ik so many OG doom players and high elo dooms and they eighter quit, or play diff characters. - Most who still grind the hero are streamers who probably would've quit the game/hero too if they didn't stream in the first place. :(

I just can't stand devs balancing games round the pro scene/top 2% of players. Perfect example of how balance can ruin fun.

Typical gamer. Goes on about spec of PC and proceeds to play Minecraft lol Tbh seemed like that whole video was just a vehicle for the sponsor ad lol

23:02 I mained akali since season 2, had massive success with her in ranked, made so many good memories playing her - only for riot to completely rework her (aka removed from the game). Ever since then I've never really played her, nor have I truly enjoyed playing the game again. Sometimes I wonder why I even played this champion for 5 years

i miss akali from league so much , she needed changed tho she wasnt healthy for the game or she had to be bad. she was over ppowered at every lvl of play. problem there is they did not fix the problem because pros are the only ones that know how to abuse her now and they nerf and buff her constantly because of it.

9:20 roadhog in every single game/team. Meanwhile soj, reaper, kiriko, lucio and monke in owl LMAAAAOO

This guy that is not Asmon talks BS so much just get to the facts man. Wasting my time with his "entertainment and ads" situation here.

I still miss scatter arrow. Yeah, the feet blasting was bad, but using it as intended to shoot around corners with he sonic arrow was super cool.

Definition of fun = I win. Definition of unbalanced = I lose.

Lmao powerful laptop commercial... Playing Minecraft 🤦🏼‍♂️

I do wanna state something here Keeping the Identity of the heroes in check is something DotA does REALLY well!

I highly disagree that to have fun everything has to be balanced and anti fun to a certain degree, League USED to embrace this by making it so if you outplayed everyone and got so far ahead no matter what character you played you could take on the world. Thats ideal balance in my eyes rewarding your efforts no matter what class you play. However since trolls and loop holes now everything is neutered even if fed you can't feel the fruits of your labor which is why its lost the fun. Having balance while braking the balance for those who over perform is the key to keeping fun in my opinion. Balance is key but making people feel over powered for having played well is also key to keeping engagement and fun. No one wants to play a game where no matter how good they do doesn't matter which is where league and many other games are now since its seen as "unfair" games need to get back to rewarding the players performance instead of making others not feel bad for not being as good. Yes it feels bad to suck but just like gambling it feels so great when you win.

Depends on the game and the reason why something is OP. I will always hate games that give advantage to someone who sunk 10k into it over someone who just paid base 60$. Slaughtering a whole party of 9 with my overgeared weak by default buff character in an MMO will always be one of my best gaming memories though.

every Overwatch character on release has to be overpowered, it's just the way it goes.

Aurelion’s announced rework is trash. Don’t ruin my main. He is great as he is

Shilling for best buy hahahahahaha

my definition of fun is anti-meta! killing someone thats fully "meta-decked" with some random/personal build is most fulfilling imo.

5:28 until the dude actually starts adressing the subject of the video.

Most of the time I play the thing that is fun for me. The problem comes if it’s not even remotely viable to play. You probably won’t have fun when the opponent has significant advantage. That’s the hard part in balancing games. You as a developer should make all the roles, characters etc to either be at least viable or to fill a certain purpose and also to be fun to play at the same time.

When I think about this I think of bf4 gadgets which where fun vs versatility, there's a lot of different gadgets but I'm gonna talk about the suav vs tug/mav. Suav can be used to kamikaze and counter snipe. Tug is goated in SND and pretty much every other mode. Mav is used to bully campers and pilots. Form over function their all great but some are just funnier to use.

>Intelligence like Joseph Anderson 4:34 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

BALANCE: every class / hero should be able to kill / defend against any other class / hero

Whoever says fun is more important than balance never played a fucking game in their lives, it's so disgusting and frustrating to lose in any game cause something is broken and there's no counterplay. Unbalance is literally the opposite of fun.

Asmongold is so right in that games wanted to be fulfilled! It’s why halo infinite is dying. Game is fun just not fulfilling enough to endlessly play for hours

good game balance is simply a way of delivering consistent fun for all players involved. Bad balance reduced risk vs reward (certain characters/weapons have less risk because they're more powerful), punishes investment into characters or playstyle, and disengages players by taking away their choice. reducing/changing character identity is a hard choice that must be made sometimes. The OW2 devs likely decided that OG doomfist's playstyle would hurt OW2 more than the removal of his DPS identity would.

Aurelion's Sol design was shit, come on. Nobody like ASol, everything about him was clunky AF. He was not fun. In games like League, there will always be players who are diehard fans of some champions, even if that champion is poorly designed. So let me give you another perspective on this: if a champion has 1000 diehard fans and they rework the champion to be more fun, those diehard players sure will cry, but if the rework now brings 10000 more diehard fans, then the rework is successful.

Well, when anybody usually talks about 'fun should prevail over balance' it usually boils down to 'i want my op char that i can kill newbs with to stay op!'. Let's see how this one goes.

Watching this guy talk about League's reworks specifically made me cringe. Like he kept complaining about a rework that ISNT EVEN CLOSE TO RELEASE and we got hardly any information on it. Also funnily enough at 26:30 Asmon himself agreed on the need of reworks sometimes when mentioning Sombra. It is the exact same situation with Aurelion Sol.

This debate is compounded by the fact that you can find good examples on both ends Balance 1st got some examples if you look hard enough like...... CSGO or CS 1.6? Fun 1st has this category called Kusoge where the games are either busted by design or just balanced so poorly but it's still fun and have a die-hard community. 2 examples of such cases are MVC2 and MVC3

CSGO is not exactly balanced, it is homogenized, but 95% of guns are totally useless, is just that people don't care because CSGO culture evolved to just using AK, M4, Deagle and AWP, in any other game people would freak out for the other 95% of guns being shit.

True Balance is never achievable. Players will always find some way to get around mechanics put in place to "ensure" balance. No developer has ever been able to find the magic equation to avoid this eventuality. The only way they could hope to come close to true balance is to just let everyone do whatever they want. If everyone can do something, then equal potential exists on all sides. Would this be fun? Well, for those who want to be assholes, absolutely. They could treat other players however they want and get their e-rocks off while doing it. But for those who don't want to deal with assholes, the experience will be the exact opposite of fun, even though nothing stops them from turning around and dishing out the same actions. Thing is, if they don't want to deal with assholes, then they likely have no desire become assholes themselves. So "fun" would be very one-sided in such cases. In real life, we can do whatever we want. But we often don't because laws exist with real consequences if we break them. The potential to do anything we want is there. The only thing holding most of us back is knowing that if we do, there's fines, prison, and potentially a death penalty. In a video game, the only thing that would hold players back from doing anything would be those penalties being applied to them in real life. Because applying them to a toon in a game means nothing. They'll just create a new one, or create a new account and go/ right back to being assholes in game again. Crimes committed in a game are not equal with crimes committed in real life. And they shouldn't be. I'm just illustrating that they would need to be in order to instill self-restraint on the part of most players. With self-restraint and the potential of doing anything, fun can be had on a more balanced scale. That's just my far-flung observation.

True Balance is never achievable. Players will always find some way to get around mechanics put in place to "ensure" balance. No developer has ever been able to find the magic equation to avoid this eventuality. The only way they could hope to come close to true balance is to just let everyone do whatever they want. If everyone can do something, then equal potential exists on all sides. Would this be fun? Well, for those who want to be assholes, absolutely. They could treat other players however they want and get their e-rocks off while doing it. But for those who don't want to deal with assholes, the experience will be the exact opposite of fun, even though nothing stops them from turning around and dishing out the same actions. Thing is, if they don't want to deal with assholes, then they likely have no desire become assholes themselves. So "fun" would be very one-sided in such cases. In real life, we can do whatever we want. But we often don't because laws exist with real consequences if we break them. The potential to do anything we want is there. The only thing holding most of us back is knowing that if we do, there's fines, prison, and potentially a death penalty. In a video game, the only thing that would hold players back from doing anything would be those penalties being applied to them in real life. Because applying them to a toon in a game means nothing. They'll just create a new one, or create a new account and go/ right back to being assholes in game again. Crimes committed in a game are not equal with crimes committed in real life. And they shouldn't be. I'm just illustrating that they would need to be in order to instill self-restraint on the part of most players. With self-restraint and the potential of doing anything, fun can be had on a more balanced scale. That's just my far-flung observation.

This guy said that the lack of balance in Modern Warfare 2 (2009) was acceptable because no one knew better back then. This makes no sense and he had no idea what he was talking about. Of course we knew better back then. Everyone was complaining back in 2009 and 2010! And in fact, Infinity Ward DID nerf some weapons (but not the worst ones for some odd reason--like the underbarrel grenade launchers and One Man Army perk). That's just a terrible excuse to say no one knew better back then. But I do agree that in many instances fun should take precedent over balance.

What this video completely forgets to mention is, that all these reworked champions in League were extremely unpopular and sometimes had unhealthy gameplay. Fiddlesticks for instance: I would rather play against a jungler, i constantly had to track because of his teamfight deciding ults rather than laning against support fiddle with his bs crows. Mundo got way better because he can actually go where he pleases with his new passive. Midscope updates revived Taliyah and Janna for me Asol IS very unsatisfying in his current form, because his passive has waay too much powerbudget and playing around 3 bs stars revolving around you that deal half of your damage and you really cant control that well doesnt feel good. Asol might be a better Dragon than Shyvana after the update. Also League is on one hand relatively balanced, (WR 40-60% max, but thats the extreme), but on the other hand you always have the "stronger" class (The half year Enchanter vs Tank support switcheroo Riot does each year) We dont have a balancing/tuning problem in League, we have an "overloaded" problem. Best example is Akshan (imo worse than Aphelios) His W alone is infinite stealth, ally revive on scoundrel kill, ms boost towards scoundrel, extra money on scoundrel kill and i believe a fucking Warwick tracking passive to scoundrels. (Scoundrels are enemies, that recently killed your teammates) Tldr; if this dude is actually one of the two Asol mains and complains about the planned rework, before anything is even confirmed, i will win the Lottery tomorrow, because the chances are about the same. Dude probably played Asol once in Aram and thought it was cool, because nobody knew how to play against the stars, because nobody has seen Asol before.

This is exactly why I stopped playing PoE(Path of Exile). Once I realized I had to download Path of Building and continuously update to stay competitive with each new league. I ended up going back to Diablo 3, and recently started playing UnDecember. Which currently has more people playing on Steam than PoE.

I think that the video was very poorly worded and Asmo did a way better job at describing it. For example in OW it is completely unfun to play meta 9 in high ranks where you have 9 meta picks and the rest is just trash under them regardless of the map, which is what happened at some point. But then again it's also very unfun when Wrecking Ball, the hero whose identity was built around him booping and soft CCing his opponents by taking advantage of complex geometry decisions, got the boop distances absolutely decimated removing the hero's identity almost completely. And he was still the best tank in the game for a while because that wasn't even what made him the top tank So balance and fun go hand to hand and are directly correlated, but you can approach both in so many wrong ways that makes the whole ordeal unfun bullshit

The real thing that has no place in games is player's fragile egos they bring with them from the outside world. The real balance in MP games is macro balance. PvE or PvP, it's the same. If you win by making another player lose, you should NEVER expect to win more than, say, 60% of the time if you're top in the world. Otherwise, it's unbalanced. Skill needs to matter but it cant be the only thing that matters. If it did, you would just compare the win ratio of each player and decide the match automatically. This is something that players don't seem to understand often. Your personal skill is a direct threat to the fun of other people. Sure you can want to shonen main character it and become the best there ever was. But don't blame the designers or anyone else when you find out the best doesn't = 100% win rate. B/c that's effectively bullying. Wins only matter in the context of losses, and what happens IN the game is way more important (or you should value it as such!) than the outcome. Life works the exact same way. Chess is the most popular mainstream sport/game (including baseball, football, etc) that's borderline perfectly balanced, but it still has such a vast gamestate (# of moves that could happen) that it becomes impossible to 'solve' and personality shines through no matter what you decide to do. That is the 'identity' that games reveal, and it's my #1 favorite part of this existence we call life. :) Put two people in front of a sufficiently advanced game, and there's no chance they'll do the same thing... unless 'dominant strategy' comes and ruins that, which is what Asmon spent most of this video (rightfully) railing against.

Similar why I eventually quit Overwatch 1. After they did the rework for Mercy, someone who I absolutely loved to play, if I had EVER played another Support, it was constant insults and my other team members getting angry at me if I didn't. And at the end of the day, I really didn't anymore BECAUSE she was so strong after her rework, she didn't feel like the character that I used to enjoy.

having characters FOR HIGH end players is the same god damn thing as some casual in WOW looking at ASMON with his OP raid gear going HOW DO I GET THAT, having these characters you need high skill floor gave me that hope to keep playing in league and getting better!!!

I love that Minecraft was the game running on that laptop. It's such a deceptive game. People look at it in its vanilla form and scoff at how sub-standard the graphics are... Yeah. the base game's visual fidelity at the tilesheet level is very low-res... But if the average user were to crank up the game's render distance to max and run the game at full screen with native desktop resolution, their computer will choke on it. Running with ultri-hi-rez textures and fancy realistic shaders will choke a computer even if render distance is set to default. Put the two together and unless you have a powerful machine, forget it. Minecraft is a beast in a mouse form, and many people don't even realize it.

Lmao Orochi was absolutely never broken in any way. He always was one of the most trash tier character in the game and is currently, even after tons of reworks to buff him, still not S tier. Yes, having that easy go to "hated" character/weapon/class in a game can be fun in certain circumstances; but although in some game it may be very easy to explain why it is objectively op and thus validate the hate; it can also sometimes simply be due to dogshit players not understanding a thing about the game they play. This is mostly true for fighting games. Go play smash (or any game with a high skill floor) and I guarantee you that the characters you'll hate playing against are often not in the competitive top tier.

BTW Aurelion Sol wasn't reworked because of balance problems, his balls were the most buggy shit in the game, and they couldn't fix it after 20 tries, they were invisible sometimes, were visible out of bush, not visible out of bush, this champ was a technical clusterfuck, thats why they reworked the balls. As for this being an "innovative concept " lol, this champ is a copy of Io from Dota :)