Why Games Aren't Ported to Mac 

@@thefakewitchdoctor yep exactly. when you have profitability margins. any problem goes away. window dev is actually a nightmare. think about all the hardware and software variations you need to support. the massive level of qa. intel cpus amd cpus now snapdragon arm cpus. then again intel amd nvidia gpus. windows 7 holdouts. windows 10 holdouts. i bet if you asked same ceo id they’d do windows if it wasn’t a dominant market he’d go “you have a point. that actually sucks too.”

If their software runs on Windows it can't get worse, at least compared to macOS.

@@mojoblues66 Windows is highly forwards and backwards compatible. Software created for Windows 95 still runs on Windows 11. You can't say the same about MacOS. There's been now three huge breaks in compatibility: PPC -> x86, Dropping of 32bit x86 for 64bit only, and now x86 -> ARM. All three of them saw software just die out because there wasn't enough resources or potential revenue to justify the continued support.

@@KyleDavis328 Yes, a big difference is that Windows maintains compatibility back to the PC stone age. As a result, the code base is much larger than that of macOS and much more software engineers are required to work on that crap. That's why they can't really fix most of the bugs and if they do they fix 1 bug and introduce 2 new ones in each update. Also notice that the OP explicitly said "OS updates" while you are talking about hardware updates.

indeed. I couldn't find good graphics really when I was searching to break it down further. Heck I couldn't even find good recent ones. But The problem is clear either way, mac alone is too small. but mac+iOS is very large. Heck if anything maybe I even under resented how important iOS is to apples gaming strategy. 9to5mac.com/2024/07/10/delta-retro-game-emulator-for-iphone-has-over-10m-users-ipad-version-rolling-out/

Yup, the demographics. That's why ports of WoW or Civilisation are successful, and ports of CoD or Counter Strike were discontinued.

@@XeZrunner i had forgotten that happened.

I think it had something to do with catalina. at one point apple in their infinite wisdom decided 32 bit apps aren't allowed anymore and valve was like "what? F U" and then didn't bother updating anything because it would've required a rework of all their games to 64 bit, TF2 is still 32 bit for example. this was when valve was attempting to make a splash on MacOS because they were scared of the windows store. I'm glad valve is doing the work required to get the steam deck and linux gaming up to snuff, their work is outstanding.

@@JessicaFEREM That is true for their older games. CS2 however did actually get a native macOS 64-bit build when it came out as early access, although it had to be manually grabbed through a manifest ID (SteamDB). Valve pulled it a few days after it was publicized on Reddit and RU-vid.

@@JessicaFEREM TF2 was updated to 64 bit in April, but MacOS wasn't re-added because Valve stopped caring about MacOS the second they decided to hitch their wagon to Linux.

@@marekkedzierski8237 i actually did a separate video on that. but yeah. apple is throwing money at those to get them and that’s only reason those devs did that. but it’s part of what i think is a multi year strategy to build a library as they move toward growing that share yearly with new ipads and iphones cycling out older ones. apple intelligence will further their push since that also requires newer devices. right now those games can’t sell well because they can only run on a fraction of a fraction of ios devices. if you liked this video def check out my other video on that topic where i side into more details.

The average Mac user prefers to build cities over shooting zombies in the head.

> You try to push that fix to the Apple Store and for some reason Apple keeps rejecting it with no helpful error message and now your game has to stay broken until you can contact somebody in Apple to approve your fix. From Apple's App Store Review Guidelines: > For apps that are already on the App Store or an alternative app marketplace, bug fixes will not be delayed over guideline violations except for those related to legal or safety issues.

@@unicodefox That doesn't help when Apple red flags your update saying there is a security or major issue with the update. They use automated tools to analyze the binary and some times it does a false positive for what seems like a small change. For example, lets say you use Qt/QML for your iOS app and you update one of the UI icons. Because of the way qrc works, the icon is actually compiled in. So there can be a huge chunk of the binary that looks very different because of that. These kinds of things will make Apple suspicious and red flag your update.

@@Dani-kq6qq most of users also don’t have a pc for gaming. or a phone for gaming. so you have to assume gaming is a sliver of any market share. that sliver is even smaller in mac sure but the approach of adding ios larger sliver to it is still tactically best and maybe even only option.

@@mysticalos the best way for mac and iphone gaming to take off is for Apple to make gaming macbooks and gaming macs and call them exactly that. Those of us with gaming laptops and gaming PCs are the ones buying pc games. If you dont have a gaming pc or gaming laptop, you're not buying games lol. Non gaming laptops and non gaming pcs are irrelevant to gaming sales. If Apple wants lots of sales for AAA games rather than only gacha games doing well, they should make a gaming iphone. It will work better than anything they've done so far. You are creating a gaming market by having gaming hardware specialized and targeted at gamers, it changes how people think about your platform. You must be able to call it a gaming device.

@@Dani-kq6qq i agree that they should definitely market em that want i’ll be jokes to my macbook pro is a hell of a gaming machine. i do 4k 60 fps gaming on it with most games i play. even unported ones. i run diablo 4 with max settings minus ray tracing and get locked 60fps at 4k with fsr2. in fact it performs even better now than in that short i recorded a while back (which was recorded on gptk1 not gptk2). iphone. yeah 15 is not quite there yet. i’m eager to see their strategy for it with 16 and later. rumor is they plan to have an ultra model. i’d they market this as better gaming experience. give it more memory and better cooling chassis. it’ll make huge difference. iphone 15 can play games but it has two issues. had to use shitty resolution due to insufficient memory and it can thermal throttle in long play sessions due to limited ability to cool.

But if apple combines mac with iOS. Lets just say the mobile gaming market is huge, even on iphone. I mean heck this came out today 9to5mac.com/2024/07/10/delta-retro-game-emulator-for-iphone-has-over-10m-users-ipad-version-rolling-out/ you don't download a gaming emulator if you aren't playing games on phone. Well maybe some do cause they see a top app and brainlessly download it. But my point that mac market share is too small to be profitable is key to why apple is trying to merge it with iOS, instead of adopt a mac only strategy.

@@mysticalos yes i agree. im just pointing out that revenue is not the same as marketshare. consoles marketshare are smaller than pc, yet they are more profitable. your graph probably has data collected from tracking user data while they are visiting websites, mobile is quite under represented there because most people spend their time on apps instead of sites, and consoles even less represented than their already low marketshare. about apple you are totally right if they can combine those 2 markets into one, they will make A LOT of money, and macOS will become viable for gaming. the main issue is that the type of gamer and games that are popular on phones are completely different than the ones popular on desktop/console devices, and its more likely that apple will try to force their mobile games into the pc division than the opposite since they are more profitable.

Linux for all intensive purposes is not supported directly by most games, as you stated as well. It's all due to proton, and that's spearheaded by large companies like valve due to steam deck, and now other 3rd party devices. Licensing would cost a ton for a console that for all intensive purposes is already sold at or below cost to make. It made sense to empower it with free open standards like linux, and improve the wine and proton to handle gaming needs. TL/DR, linux is not supported by developers selling games, it's supported by intermediaries who are using it to sell games on custom class hardware. But linux power users get to reap in the rewards. Codeweavers does something similar with macOS, and thanks to apples GPTK1 and 2, has had huge advancements. But still MILES behind proton since unlike valve and steam deck, apple isn't going for that route fully, just partly, while still trying to get native ports via iOS's market share.

BTW thank you very much for watching. I always enjoy good tech debates.

Linux doesn't have support of games. It has support for the Steam Proton compatibility layer This only exists because Steam does not want to be stuck to a platform that could easily lock down gaming, steam or monopolize gaming. MacOS is even worse for being locked down than Windows. Linux is the only logical alternative as it is controlled by no one. It ensures Valve's safety But you also must understand. Games aren't made for Linux, they are made compatible for Linux But I agree with you entirely on your points otherwise. There simply isn't the market for gamers on MacOS

​@@Tealdragon204 You're a bit wrong in the details. Wine, the technology underpinning Proton, predates Steam by a decade. It predates Valve as a company by 3 years. The reason modern Proton works so well is a sub project called DXVK, which was started by a single hobbiest to get DX11 and DX12 titles running _well_ on Linux. So it would, and did, exist without Steam. Valve just came in with buckets of cash so the fellow working on DXVK (among others) could work on it full time instead of as a hobby project. Make no mistake, this is a _major_ boon for gaming on Linux. It's easily 3 years ahead of where it would otherwise be, and that potential gap is widening the longer Valve continues to spend money on it. I think you're also missing the impact of the Steam Deck on the landscape. One of the hurdles of developing for Windows, vs macs, or playstations or what not, is that the hardware is not uniform and the software is only _mostly_ uniform. That's why you get games that work well on NVidia cards, but not on Radeon, and games that choked on the 12 gen intel E-cores. Linux took this a step further and made the _software_ non uniform. How you open a simple confirmation box depends on what libraries are available, let alone more complicated things. Years ago, Valve largely solved this by shipping a ubuntu-based userspace for programs to use, all standardized on one set of libraries. The Deck takes this two steps further. Not just the application sandbox, but the whole OS is standardized, as is the hardware. Add in their Deck Verified program and you have developers actually taking the time to target the Deck specifically. Valve hasn't released exact numbers for Steam Decks shipped, but it is in the millions. Still a smaller market share than OSX, but like with consoles, a _huge_ percentage of the Decks out there are primarily (or dedicated) gaming devices. So it should be no surprise that developers are targeting it when they easily can.

@@yellingintothewind Codeweavers is also big contributor to wine, and reason macOS has come a long way, but the were still far from having dx12 support then apple came out of left field with game porting toolkit, bsaed on crossovers version of wine like detective soaks "surprise motherfucker". with D3DMetal with near complete DX 12 support missing only flourishes like raytracing and like, (and those were added in GPTK2 this year). I love how far wine, dxvk, moltenvk, D3DMetal, Wine Mono and many other softwares have pushed gaming where it was never thought possible. on macOS and linux alike where we don't need ports to play them. If apple did Go all in on it, it'd be as good as the proton experience if not better. But they won't. Cause then they don't get 30'% cut. as I said in other comment, steam supports proton cause their storefront is at the head of proton on steam deck so they get money by doing so. Apple really just won't ever achieve that. They don't have a good store front for gaming, app store is crap. Unless they just sucked it up and teamed up with steam. but again then apple doesn't get their cut

Valve supports Linux and the Steam Deck so well because Valve is basically trying to artificially inject market share into Linux. Valve sees PC Game Pass, Windows, and Microsoft as a threat to their business. They need to keep Steam as the king of PC gaming. The Steam Deck is how Valve is pushing Linux into the mainstream and thus keeping Steam on top. I think the difference is that anyone who buys the Steam Deck is explicitly buying it to game. Vs anyone who is buying an Apple silicon Mac or iOS device didn't buy it explicitly for gaming. For everyday normal computer crap like emails, business crap, and web browsing. Gaming is just an afterthought on Apple devices for these consumers.

linux is not supported by let's just say any game (negligible). It's made to work on linux via 3rd party modders let's call them to make things easier. Tools like wine, crossover, proton... Essentially, they run windows apps on linux not linux apps on linux.

Steam isn't a great measure. some games are app store exclusive, and many mac users run windows versions of games through wine/whisky/gptk. it probably is very small though. adding in other sources it's maybe 2-3% which still isn't very useful.

@@mysticalos Even if someone purchased a couple of App Store exclusives like Resident Evil 4, it doesn't mean they aren't also running Steam for the rest of the library, which is simply leaps and bounds ahead of App Store as a distribution platform for computer games. Sure, you can probably find some App Store-only gamers, but then I could make a similar argument that Steam data undercounts PC gamers because some of them prefer platforms like GOG and Epic Games Store. App Store is of course huge for phone and tablet apps as there's no real alternative (perhaps that can change in the future with new EU regulations), but Mac App Store by all accounts is tiny. I'm not an Apple hater at all - in fact my primary computer is an M3 Max Macbook Pro, which from a technical standpoint is a very capable gaming machine. However, I don't believe Apple has a coherent strategy for how they are going to grow their gaming market share. Nothing they have done over the past several years made a dent.

@@hv4329 not as much as it used to be to be honest. i can say that it was a lot worse pre apple silicon transition due to utter constant problems with both intel gpu driver and amd driver bugs being slow to be fixed (if ever). apple also really wasn’t prioritizing gaming as much either. they’d let these bugs linger. still do actually. wow is unplayable still in 14.x if on intel iris igpu due to unsolved driver bug apple refuses to fix because they’re alll in on apple silicon. but with their multi platform apple silicon strategy and more control over hardware. they did eliminate that issue.

@@mysticalos it's still annoying to have to compile on mac for mac

$100/yr just to target MacOS is certainly developer hell.

@@KyleDavis328 100 dollars a year is nothing if the developer really is a developer.

@@takeiteasyeh agree. at present, it is without a doubt anyone buying a mac isn’t doing so for gaming. same for iphone. gaming is a slice of the whole. but growing the whole still grows the slice. especially when choosing a multi purpose device in future.

@@InvictraX pretty damn close unofficially. the problem is you need to basically jump through hoops with wine and d3dmetal or use 3rd party software to do it. but apple is slowly making this better too and even kinda mentioned it at wwdc when they responded us enthusiasts playing unported games with these tools. with apples tool that massively advanced this. many believe the strategy apple should use is just make it as seem less as proton. they may go that route one day. but currently they are resisting that because they think they can get the sales commission with actual ports with ios. they get nothing from proton. approach. that approach only works for valve because they leverage their storefront on steam deck.

Apple doens't support vulken, but vulken projects are running on mac due to something called moltenVK which is a translation layer that turns vulkan api calls to metal calls. It's impressive tech and with a good license that allows applications to ship with the library and work without user doing anything extra. It's common in both applications and emulators such as ryujinx.

Apple doesn't support Vulkan, they made up their own graphics API called Metal. Also, they didn't really drop OpenGL even kind of now, which to be honest, is an admission of defeat. There's a wrapper that translates Vulkan to Metal, called MoltenVK, but asking macOS users use such a thing you might as well be speaking an alien language to them.

App store exclusive isn't enforced by apple. A dev recently actually explained why that's happening. As you know, many ports did in fact come out on steam. valheim, stray, lies of p as examples. The problem is ports released on steam 1. do not trigger a rebuy, 2. have to use windows pricing. developers releasing exclusively on app store are being greedy. They want to charge full price for their new port, and not have the user get it discounted in a steam sale, (or free if they owned windows version). Space and other issues, are more user issues than developer. That experience is really up to apple to fix for sure (and macOS 15 helps a little bit). But make no mistake. if there was a bigger market share, developers would figure it out (and put more pressure on apple to figure it out). I do agree that proton type approach might work, and i even believe it's the backup plan. a ripcord apple can pull with D3DMetal in future. But they're gonna try their way first so they can get full ports, especially to iOS, first.

I couldn't say in that specific situation, but if I had to guess it's probably steam deck verification. sometimes, due to anti cheat and other things, making windows version run on deck is a mess. Maybe the DRM or the anti cheat not compatible with wine translation layer so they just do a native app for deck to deal with it.

correct. they run scaled versions of same architecture and apis

@@mysticalos ah that makes sense, i think the iphone ones will perform bad tho. regardless if true or not,i still dont think that will be the only thing that will make this attempt fail. apples reputation is probly going to be the biggest factor why it won't work, everybody already knows they want to game: buy a android or a consol or a pc.

@@FARDEENKHANQWE123 the games ported so far on iphone perform acceptable, playable, but not great. but now it'll be a selling point of new iphones ya see. long term strategy starts to show then huh? "buy new iphone 16, it shows increased fps for assassins creed" It's true they're starting to build library a little early, when iphone15 is only "acceptable" at best, but after a few years now you have multiple capable devices and a large library of triple As

@@mysticalos yea get game to work,true! But the general iphone user does not keep up with tech.im just stating that what you say is true, but has a chance to be a failure and a giant waste of time due to the fact that the average iphone user just buy the phone because its an iphone.

With that being said, if you are a indie studio that is going for a live service approach then you might run into trouble on other platforms with anti cheat, network protocols and other misc stuff. But for the overall singleplayer games or small -> medium multiplayer games that does not require complex network infrastructure to function and that could rely on say steam network will always be a mystery for me.

@@ManDoILoveDoritos indie devs tend to focus one platform first to get out quicker and then if successful go from there. valhiem did actually come to mac. among us does allow mac side loading. pal world is coming. but all waited for success on pc market first. if any of those had flopped they would have wasted more time and money to have flopped in more than one place.

@@mysticalos Since there isn't any major effort required to "port" a game to another platform using Unity (as an example) I would say that this point of "not being successful" doesn't stand in my mind. It is literally 1 click compile (with some minor platform specific errors, of course). I don't see how a game like valheim doesn't add linux or mac os in their build settings from the get go. Same for among us and pal world *REGARDLESS* if they get successful or not. They get more exposure for (almost) free. The worst case scenario is that the studio drops the support for the platform stating the return is not great enough, which to me, sounds like a live service issue which is plagued with other issues to begin with (cheaters, connectivity issues and cross platform to name a few).

Because in single player games this is not an issue. Same for smaller multiplayer games like party games or Valheim. They do not require expensive, cross platform compatible, network solutions (which usually is built into the game engines) in order to connect one pc with another. A lot of these games are also launched on a platform like steam which has integration for these kinds of stuff to handle multiplayer using their apis and servers which won't differ in cost with different operating systems. IF and only IF there is a platform specific issue, then that is usually in the engine itself and not the game because the bugs would then be universal ( I am not an experienced game dev, but it seems to be that way to me).

Lastly one thing I want to point out is that some people somehow think that Apple or other actors are limiting developers to publish their game on their platforms. This can be true to some extent, but it is usually the developer itself that makes the choice to not publish on the platforms. It other words, the dev decides to "be lazy" in order to save themselvs from 2 extra bug reports that don't involve the actual game code. Seriously, stop with the defending of indie devs or developers in general that use others or their own game engines and start expecting "more" from them (1 click on the build panel).

@@BeaglefreilaufKalkar quite a lot of mac users are. but you’re right pc market has a larger sliver of gamers simply by bias that if they wanted to game they went to platform that allowed it. shifting that perspective is hard for apple to do using mac and they know it. dis why they’re trying to lump iphone ipad and mac together. it won’t work over night. and it’ll never replace pc as ultimate gaming platform. but it might just make apple relevant enough for ports. switch isn’t best place to play most games. but it gets more ports because it has more users. apple just needs more market share. thus extending gaming to ios.

I don't believe that PC gamers like to tinker with the hardware. 70% of my gamer friends are not proficient with PCs. They are basic users. They will get someone else to do that part for them if needed.

@@InvictraX i'd like to add even the users that build their own pc, typically don't do much to that pc after it's built. Upgrades often rarely take place. When they do, it's mostly because the user was quite young and waiting to save up for a better gpu. After a few years, some users upgrade, but by that time usually, people often just want to sell their pc and buy a new one. They buy a new case, new motherboard, new cpu, new gpu, power supply, ram. By that time, you've basically purchased a new computer anyway. And then have a spare case lying around. Compatibility with motherboards and optimal ram frequency and size for that specific set up. All of these things just force the user to upgrade everything or nothing really.

I agree, apple did let this happen. Can they course correct, time will tell, but absolutely apple made it hard for games to exist for MANY years.

@@chengong388 just spend 5 minutes on youtube or mac gaming reddit to see there is an interest. as i said in other comments. obviously people who Only game are better off on a windows pc. which further leans the mac user percent away from being a gaming audience. but as you said the machines and os capable. which is point i made in video. and that market share is only issue. you also make that point. i’m not sure where you got takeaway i think all mac users are gamers. the charts i showed were limiting but because a lot of sites wanted to charge for more data. my points stand that ios is a much bigger market share apple indents to integrate to raise that market potential also still stands true. heck it game out today delta (a game emulator) has over 10 million downloads. that feeds into my point there are a ton of ios gamers to grab. just not yet due to the triple a push needing iphone 15 or greater. that part of it is the multi year strategy part

wine has come a long way. both due to money valve and codeweavers put into it. and on mac due to d3dmetal allle made as part of game porting toolkit 2

hearthstone is based off much older version of engine. i'm pretty sure it's even still using opengl. SC2 also is using older engine tech that while it supports metal, it's not very well maintained. a large issue with blizzard as a whole is they actually dissolved their mac development teams and Qa, entirely. They still keep the engine itself mac compatible and up to date in a lot of ways cause they are smart enough to not completely pull out in case apples shift is actually successful, but they absolutely half ass maintain their existing mac ports right now due to low return (and don't port any new games to mac for same reason)

how am I not making sense? switch sees more ports cause it has more sales. that literally works in my point. Now obviously SOME games just are technically not possible to port. the switch is dated hardware and it was weak to begin with. To even port a 2015 game like witcher 3 to it took a colossal amount of crazy work. But you know what, it still happened anyways because market share existed. But obviously the switch isn't gonna be running First descendant any time soon. In that event hardware and OS are a problem. But when discussing mac, OS and hardware is vastly more powerful than switch. So marketshare is the larger issue there.

It is market share. It's not about how many Macs are in the wild, it's about how many people are willing to game. Most people who game on PC do it on Windows not MacOS

It's about how willing users on the platform are to buy games in the first place. People do port their games and then find no one buys them so they don't bother. It's not about how many people own Macs, it's that those people don't buy games. Sort of person that is going to buy a Mac is also usually going to buy a games console if they even wanna play games which means even if they play games and have a Mac they aren't buying games for Mac.

I didn't say gaming on mac is really big, I said opposite. that it's literally sniffled by being a minuscule market share (and that's to start, gamers are a sliver of that sliver) that's why apple is trying to change it by expanding the category from mac to mac ipad and iphone. Apple actually not only encourages non publishers to play with porting kit, they shouted out gamers using it at WWDC and even changed it's license with tookit 1 to make sure enthusiasts could bundle D3DMetal in their own wine projects, to great success for things like "whisky". That said, that's never gonna really earn ports, and i don't see apple adopting a proton type strategy because unlike steam, who still makes money selling windows games to people running linux and proton (or steam decks) apple would make no money making windows games bought from non apple store fronts on mac. (thus their strategy of pushing for ports not compatibility) apple still wants ports, and they think they can use iOS to do it. Whether that succeeds or not is gonna take years to see through cause it's a multi year strategy. currently apple silicon ipads and iphone 15s represent an extremely small sliver of the IOS user base right now. That'll take years to change. Tying other features (like apple intelligence) to forced upgrades will help, analysts believe.

​@@mysticalos I'm not aware of any license change when it comes to GPTK 1, especially when it comes to the D3DMetal files which you still have to download off Apple's developer portal. Only thing that's on Apple's github is a patch for Crossover and how to install it (which is how I know you need a developer account), which let's be honest, is half the story here and not a very high bar anyways. The other half is providing a wrapper for directx to metal, which if Whiskey's github is correct, does not come with it's own license, despite having a document crediting directx, etc for use in D3DMetal. Not including a license is an incredible blow to it's usability, as Apple is in their full legal right to strike down literally anybody distributing the D3DMetal files. No license is assumed to imply no permission by the authors for redistribution, copying, or modification at worst, and at best it would be under the Apple developer and/or SDK terms and conditions which also don't allow copying or redistribution. Under those legal restrictions, projects like Whiskey are a DMCA strike away from either disappearing or flat out changing how they install GPTK. It's legal grounds like that which make shouting out gamers in WWDC nothing more than virtue signalling, and unless something radically changes to allow greater freedom for GPTK and/or developer toolchain, nothing will change. Not in 5 years, not ever. And macOS has already stifles their software ecosystem anyways. There's just too much anti features for developers going on. The use cases for macOS are shrinking, not growing.

Little to no games exist or are supported by linux. They run through the compatibility layers that you've mentioned and so are unofficial and unsupported. I understand where apple is currently regarding this. They don't want to make it too easy for the developers but they do want to tempt them. They don't want the same situation as linux has with wine and so on supporting games on mac os. They want either full support or no support. They don't want to turn mac os into windows or linux which I understand. We don't want to just end up with one thing and that thing only. It's good to have the variety/options. Also, gaming is a funny industry and I understand why they would be a little hesitant and careful with it. I can't say games are looking that great these days and xbox basically just died. Also, the users that want to purchase a device for gaming, would purchase windows anyway due to native support for anything over the last 2 decades. So why compete with them? Then there's playstation. So from their perspective, gaming is a subheading to include at wwdc and a feature that can be added and improved as part of mac os and iPhone. They do not want gaming to be a bold heading or remotely close to something they focus on as it will not generate a profit. It will take away from other opportunities and developments, and gaming as a whole is just not a great industry. microsoft has native support for all the games as well as a dedicated gaming console, and they couldn't care less about gaming at this point. Even after wasting 100s of billions of dollars just in the last 2-3 years. just not a great service to provide and most people don't care about gaming. even gamers are struggling to care about gaming.

@@Darth-TBAG old blizzard wasn’t shareholders driven. they were passion driven. sad reality is. many devs still are. but leadership is not.

@@mysticalos yeah they became shit thanks to kotick and activision. I remembered playing SC2 and Diablo 3 during college lectures on my MacBook Pro lol. Nobody knew I was gaming except those sitting behind me 😂

They see apples focus, they just don't see monetized value yet. The only ones that have been porting for most part are ones apples is no doubtably bribing to do so. that said, maybe publishers are watching and waiting. Others like blizzard actually use mac to further their windows interests. For example when they added arm support to world of warcraft, it wasn't for mac they did it. They partnered up with apple for sdks and tools for arm development. and made wow arm compatible, so they could ship arm on mac AND windows, using apples tools cause they were ready first. Blizzard however knew arm laptops were gonna come to windows space eventually, and guess what they are one of first publishers in world ready for that shift. Honestly I applaud blizzard for this play. But yeah TL/DR of that is, we didn't get apple silicon support solely out of mac support. It was definitely tied to their long term strategy. The years to come though will see if apples long term strategy will work, as more powerful iphones ipads and macs come out based on apple's advanced architecture if they can grow that market share enough

Then mac? not a chance. also everyone who bought a switch bought it for gaming. not every mac owner did. now iOS gaming way overshoots switch gaming in market share, but not but apples triple A push yet since right now that's limited to a single iphone model. That'll take a few years to realize.

is this a joke?