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@badgerwijohnson4081
@badgerwijohnson4081 Месяц назад
My Grandpa was a local war hero and when MacArthur was looking to run for President his campaign wanted my Grandpa to speak for him at an event. My Grandpa hated him, his brother (my great uncle) was killed under his command. My Grandpa said no, but they kept bothering him, so eventually he gave in and told the crowd of about 1000 people what he thought about MacArthur and his command ability. Lol
@madkoala2130
@madkoala2130 23 дня назад
When was that? (I mean when MacArthur was trying to run for a president)
@rms-vp6hf
@rms-vp6hf 21 день назад
@@madkoala2130you don’t have the internet?
@badgerwijohnson4081
@badgerwijohnson4081 12 дней назад
@madkoala2130 I want to say it was 1950 or 51 he wasn't officially running at the time he was trying to drum up support for a run. I don't think it could have been in 44 when MacArthur had is secret run for president because my Grandpa would have still been in the Army.
@TripleDinLV
@TripleDinLV 9 дней назад
It was after the walk on the beach; people wanted him to run against Eisenhower.
@63DW89A
@63DW89A Месяц назад
I utterly DESPISE "Dougout Doug". I too, have long considered MacArthur the most overrated, absolutely useless, General Officer in American History. It was very fortunate for America that Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz had about 80% control of the Pacific Theater in WW2, and initiated the island hopping campaign that dramatically reduced American casualties in the Pacific. After retirement in 1951, Stuffed-Shirt-Mac, approved the museum in Norfolk, VA that was dedicated to him as the "MAcArthur Memorial". Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz REFUSED to approve a museum to be dedicated to him in his hometown of Fredricksburg, TX, and requested that any museum established there instead honor the Sailors, Airman, Soldiers and Marines who had fought the war. That museum is called "The National Museum of the Pacific War". That is GENUINE character in a nutshell. An overlooked hero of the Korean War is USMC General O.P. Smith, commanding the First Marine Division in 1950, during the Chosin Reservoir fiasco. Gen. Smith who was on the ground with the 1st Mar Div, near Chosin Reservoir, had quickly come to distrust MacArthur's remote command far from the North Korean front lines. As evidence mounted of a Chinese advance into Korea, Gen. Smith ordered the building of emergency air strips and supply storage behind the front lines to aid in the event that a tactical withdrawal was needed. Gen. Smith's foresight prevented the 1st Mar Div from being overun, and prepared the Divison for a fighting withdrawal against the overwhelming number of Chinese troops when the Chosin Reservoir attack began.
@CB-sv2bm
@CB-sv2bm Месяц назад
McArthur should have been court martialed for Korea
@andrewlayton9760
@andrewlayton9760 Месяц назад
He should have been court martialed for his failures in the Philippines.
@willythemailboy2
@willythemailboy2 Месяц назад
@@andrewlayton9760 You misspelled "shot".
@andrewlayton9760
@andrewlayton9760 Месяц назад
@@willythemailboy2 Sorry!
@ianlayton6949
@ianlayton6949 Месяц назад
Can I offer Mark Clarke whose orders were to breakout from Anzio and head across Italy to cut off the German's retreat but instead chose to take Rome for the personal glory and headlines - which lasted all of 24 hours due to the D Day landings.
@idontcare9797
@idontcare9797 Месяц назад
Not mentioned here, but I preferred Nimitz's Central Pacific strategy VS MacArthur's Southern Pacific strategy.
@faceoctopus4571
@faceoctopus4571 Месяц назад
Aggravating fact: General MacArthur actually received the medal of honor for his conduct during the defense of the Philippines. Fucking politics.
@darylmorning
@darylmorning Месяц назад
And denied General Wainwright's Medal of Honor though he later was overruled.
@mcm421mo3
@mcm421mo3 Месяц назад
He wanted the Medal of Honor because he also heard that Admiral Nimitz was possibly going to get one and then used his political influence to deny Nimitz and Wainwright
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
​@@darylmorningThis is not true. He was actually friendly with him at the end.
@user-cs2mw9rw6c
@user-cs2mw9rw6c Месяц назад
🤮🤮
@darylmorning
@darylmorning Месяц назад
@johnnotrealname8168 it's easy to be friendly, even after stabbing someone in the back. MacArthur had the for thee and not me attitude. Besides, General Wainwright still had to work with the magnanimous, backstabbing windbag until his mandatory retirement in 1947. So I've downvoted your comment in a matter of principle, standing, and proof of the nice after backstabbing.
@Zantsui
@Zantsui Месяц назад
During the Kokoda campaign, MacArthur had his office in Brisbane. He spent the entire time there, complaining that the Australians in PNG were incompetent cowards, and that the leadership needed changing because we used a fighting retreat to stretch Japanese supply lines through the jungle before counter attacking, and he thought it would be better to just throw bodies at the jungle until the Japanese were pushed back. After that, every battle the Australians won, or played a major part in winning, he claimed for the solders under his command. He’s an asshole.
@sgtbundy
@sgtbundy Месяц назад
I am pretty sure that MacArthur's views, pushed onto Blamey, is why Blamey made the infamous "running rabbits" comment. Blamey was a hack but he was trying to stay attached to MacArthur rather than defending his own troops and generals.
@Antmann71
@Antmann71 Месяц назад
Blamey was the worst
@eagleofceaser6140
@eagleofceaser6140 Месяц назад
The Aussies in World War II were top class soldiers. The fact that MacArthur wanted to use them as cannon fodder is an utter disgrace.
@johnbransby6231
@johnbransby6231 Месяц назад
The Australian soldiers were brave and great soldiers but MacArthur did not give them the due they deserved, fortunately Nimitz led the central pacific campaign
@barrag3463
@barrag3463 Месяц назад
If I recall right he was put there by Nimitz and King because they didn't want MacArthur doing dumb things with the US Army in the pacific islands (like assaulting islands that the Japanese fortified specifically to wear the US down) and knew he would have a more limited ability to screw with things over there. Still sorry the aussies had to deal with him.
@Leprechaunlock
@Leprechaunlock Месяц назад
I grew up being family friends with a man named Ben Steele, he is a local legend in Montana. He was a Bataan survivor, and he told me what he and every other man thought of MacArthur, "That MacArthur was a Bastard and a son of Bitch."
@granatmof
@granatmof Месяц назад
Hell my dad said the same thing and he was born in 52, but is a history nut
@Jcornman24
@Jcornman24 Месяц назад
Good thing he's on our side
@theraider3478
@theraider3478 Месяц назад
don't forget some of his men could have joined him in fleeing but he wouldn't let them, so he had room for fresh fruit.
@987654321wormy
@987654321wormy Месяц назад
There's a reason why soldiers in Baatan called him "Dugout Doug."
@shanemay3797
@shanemay3797 Месяц назад
While MacArthur was in Australia, he was VERY conceited and ego driven. Prime Minister Curtin had a strained relationship that could potentially be considered as a partial cumulative reason for P.M. Curtin's early death, in hindsight IMHO
@sodog44
@sodog44 Месяц назад
He led the soldiers that gassed, bayonetted, and attacked the Bonus Army while calling them "Ungrateful bastards" for simply wanting the bonuses the government promised them.
@fazole
@fazole Месяц назад
Patton led the cavalry charge on the Bonus Army.
@jakeryan152
@jakeryan152 Месяц назад
The bonus army wanted their bonuses years earlier then original promised.
@RedDeadRogue
@RedDeadRogue Месяц назад
@@jakeryan152 Yeah, because there was this little thing called the Great Depression going on at the time when the economy was completely in the toilet and President Herbert Hoover said "We're gonna fix the economy by doing... absolutely nothing!" So the government is just sitting on the money for these bonuses doing absolutely nothing with it. If I was starving to death and someone who had promised to give me a box of food in ten years was just sitting on that box of food staring at me, you're damn right I'm going to go demand my box of food now.
@atfeldman123
@atfeldman123 Месяц назад
@@jakeryan152 It was The Great Depression they were desperate.
@navyreviewer
@navyreviewer Месяц назад
Oh don't forget Eisenhower was his aid. 👍
@JAMESMT-mm6zl
@JAMESMT-mm6zl Месяц назад
Totally agree. Not only abandoned them, but later threw Wainwrite under the bus for surrendering. Screw that guy, he wasn't any better than Custer. Wish history would get it right sometimes.
@BradanKlauer-mn4mp
@BradanKlauer-mn4mp Месяц назад
At least Custer actually led his men into battle personally. MacArthur sat on his ass in his headquarters with his staff, moving flags on a map.
@T95man
@T95man Месяц назад
You do realize that’s what all the generals did in the US right.
@daedalus1
@daedalus1 Месяц назад
General MacArthur did not "abandon" his forces in the Philippines. This is pure slander. On 11 February, MacArthur messaged President Franklin Roosevelt and told him that he and his family (wife and 3 year old son) intended to "share the fate of the garrison." On 23 Feb General MacArthur received a message from the President and Commander in Chief, the Secretary of War and Chief of Staff George Marshall - "The President directs that you make arrangements to leave and proceed to Mindanao. You are directed to make this change as quickly as possible;... From Mindanao you will proceed to Australia where you will assume command of all United States troops;... Instructions will be given from here at your request for the movement of submarine or plane or both to enable you to carry out the foregoing instructions. You are authorized to take your chief of staff General Sutherland." He waited a full month before departing as ordered. He wrongly believed that the Bataan front was going to hold. Go read a book instead of learning history from asshat cowards on YouTub and TickyTock.
@mrd1433
@mrd1433 Месяц назад
Also refused to acknowledge what Col. Wendel Fertig who was an engineer accomplished running a guerrilla campaign which tied up so many Japanese troops that it made the recapture of the Phillippines much easier. MacArthur is also the reason the Garand is 30-06 instead of it's designed .270.
@daniel_f4050
@daniel_f4050 Месяц назад
I’ll ding McArthur for many, many of his decisions and sheer assholery. Making everyone go back into the landing craft and come ashore again in the Philippines because the cameras weren’t ready or somebody went out ahead of him. I can’t remember which it was. But the Garand in 30 06 is actually completely reasonable. The Army had God knows how many rounds of 30 06 available because of the Springfield rifles, BARs, M1919s and everything else. With the country only vaguely in recovery from the Great Depression the Army budget probably couldn’t handle the badly needed new rifles and a totally new caliber ammunition for ONLY those rifles.
@thomashazlewood4658
@thomashazlewood4658 Месяц назад
MacArthur lost an army, a navy, and an air force in the Philippines and they gave him a Medal of Honor for it. When he fled, he was given a $500,000 'award' for his services by the Philippine President, who, with his family, joined him on the PT boats. The pre-war Orange Plan called for the defenders to retreat to a well-supplied redoubt in the Bataan peninsula and await rescue by the US Navy fleets. MacArthur refused to abide the plan, saying he felt he could defend with the forces that he had, so no supplies were stockpiled. When he received news of the Pearl Harbor raid, he locked himself in his office and did not come out for three hours. He declined to order American bombers to attack the Japanese because he didn't feel he could commit the Philippines to war. I despise the man, ignorantly lauded as our 'American Caesar'.
@JayhawksH
@JayhawksH Месяц назад
“MacArthur lost a navy” first of all the ‘navy’ that was at the Philippines were a bunch of destroyers and cruisers from WW1, secondly he didn’t lose it Admiral Hart pulled his naval forces to Australia after the opening days of the invasion, MacArthur had zero command of the navy because you know he’s an army general not a fucking admiral. Secondly the pre-war Plan Orange was abandoned for the plan Rainbow Five( which planned for a war with Germany and Japan) which called for the navy to abandon the Philippines(exactly what they did) for Macarthur’s forces to hold out until the navy returned, with zero time table to when that would happen if it would. Essentially damning the Philippines to their fate. Hell at lease War Plan Orange offered relief(even though the six month time table was wildly over optimistic) but the new plan that Washington followed willingly gave the Philippines away. Washington also consistently lied to MacArthur during the defense of the Philippines that supplies were on the way.
@twrampage
@twrampage Месяц назад
The Aussies at Milne Bay were ordered to attack a larger and more experienced Japanese force that was cut off from resupply, over terrain that greatly favoured the defenders to a ridiculous degree. The Aussies during the Kokoda campaign were initially some barely trained militia, that weren't equipped with any artillery, but still managed to hold together in a pretty well ordered fighting retreat over what might just be the toughest terrain on any battlefield in the war. The Japanese overstretched themselves to the point where they were resorting to cannibalism and then the Aussies with some proper reinforcements swept through and retook all the terrain that had been lost previously. After this, MacArthur decided that the Aussie troops weren't worth much, despite the fact that the Australian contingent now contained veterans of North Africa that had taken the fight to Rommel. In a sense, this was a boon to us Aussies because we didn't have to endure any more of his fuckery.
@danielpayne1597
@danielpayne1597 Месяц назад
o7 Aussies who fought the good fight. Not nearly enough was highlighted in most history books.
@82ndAbnVet
@82ndAbnVet Месяц назад
My Uncle Bob fought in the Korean war as a Combat Engineer. He never talked about it until after I came back from Cp Pelham, S. Korea in 85. I brought back souvenirs for him and I guess it caused him to open up. He said he never got into anything real crazy, just a few skirmishes and ambushes here and there. He also said that because of MacArthur, the war dragged out 2 years longer than it had to.
@YouTubeIsCriminal
@YouTubeIsCriminal Месяц назад
The craziest story from my dad was during Vietnam. He had an interpreter(girlfriend) who he was going to go visit some temple or something with. Her mother told them that "wasn't a safe place to go right now" so he did something else. Around that time period a bomb went off killing some visitors. Womanizing saved his life in a way. lol
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
How? He just did what he was ordered to do. Heck he did as much as he could to win but was not allowed to.
@rileynewsom5095
@rileynewsom5095 Месяц назад
​@@johnnotrealname8168it's been a second since I finished it so my recall may not be perfect, but I'd recommend reading "on desperate ground" by Hampton Sides. It's about the battle of chosin reservoir but covers enough of the conflict broadly to gain a decent understanding of many figures, and the portrait painted of MacArthur isn't a favorable one. It leaves one with the impression that MacArthur's main focus was image and bravado, that he routinely took credit where he hadn't earned any and blamed others for his own failings, casting blame on many commanders who made the best of impossible situations in complete disregard for the realities on the ground. His personal staff was comprised of sycophants who's main concern was providing intelligence and information that made MacArthur feel and look good, not hard truths. Perhaps we can't blame him per se for what suck up subordinates told him, but it's not unfair to judge a man by the company he keeps, or a supposed master general by the staff he chooses to keep
@dennis2376
@dennis2376 29 дней назад
My brother was there also, a Canadian despite or hosts ignoring that fact. :)
@ROE675
@ROE675 Месяц назад
That is exactly what my Grandfather, who served in the Pacific during WW2, said about MacArthur.
@theangrypainter826
@theangrypainter826 Месяц назад
Same here ,my grandfather said he was a walking talking A hole. That leaves a trail of shyt everywhere he gos. As a kid those story’s stick with you.
@jaydawg7
@jaydawg7 Месяц назад
That's what my dad always said 😂
@dougc190
@dougc190 Месяц назад
My grandfather didn't like him cuz he wouldn't bomb Manila. they had to go door the door because MacArthur like the city so much.
@swordmaster1981
@swordmaster1981 Месяц назад
Same with mine. Said he was just an asshole who didn't know shit.
@Th3Kingism
@Th3Kingism Месяц назад
I'd wager your grandpa never had the balls to say it to his face
@nathansteinfromarkham7109
@nathansteinfromarkham7109 Месяц назад
Considering what he did to the Bonus Army…yeah, screw him.
@bitfreakazoid
@bitfreakazoid Месяц назад
The Bonus Army had become infiltrated by communist agitators and non-military people trying to scam money and most of the actual vets had left when asked.
@paladinebahamut
@paladinebahamut Месяц назад
Agreed
@arandomguardsmen
@arandomguardsmen Месяц назад
What did he do
@nathansteinfromarkham7109
@nathansteinfromarkham7109 Месяц назад
@@arandomguardsmen basically he and Eisenhower went in tanks, bayonets, and tear gas to deal with them. Hoover got some bad PR and FDR ghoulishly said “Looks like I win.”
@benn454
@benn454 Месяц назад
@@nathansteinfromarkham7109 Hoover ordered him not to cross the bridge into the encampment. He did it anyway.
@irishwind1971
@irishwind1971 Месяц назад
MacArthur was in the Philippines to safeguard it. Between the US troops there, and the local forces, it was his responsibility to make sure they can resist a Japanese invasion. And Japan waited a few days to strike the Philippines after Pearl Harbor. MacArthur had the warning that Kimmel and Short didn't. Kimmel and Short were court martialed because of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Yet MacArthur was given a pass for letting Japan over run Philippines.
@82ndAbnVet
@82ndAbnVet Месяц назад
From what I've read and heard, MacArthur also had a much larger DEFENDING force compared to Japans INVADING force. It typically takes a 3 to 1 advantage in the INVADER's favor, to have a fair chance at success.
@wormfood83
@wormfood83 Месяц назад
There was also a plan to defend the Philippines, which MacArthur completely ignored. I don't know if that original plan would have worked in the long run, but they would have held out better and for longer without MacArthur's failed and disastrous plan to fight the Japanese in the open rather then pull back from the start to the defensive perimeter at Bataan.
@tomhalla426
@tomhalla426 Месяц назад
Kimmel and Short were dismissed, not court martialed. The possible court martials were delayed indefinitely, and then never held.
@TowGunner
@TowGunner Месяц назад
@irishwind1971 Japan attacked the Philippines on December 8, 1941 but Dugout Doug was well aware of the Pearl Harbor attack. He never sent up reconnaissance aircraft and kept his Air Force on the tarmac wingtip to wingtip. Predictably, the Japanese soon arrived and, in a matter of minutes, destroyed most of MacArthur’s Air Force. MacArthur was unbelievably given the MOH. Kimmel and Short were not court martialed but both were reduced in rank and both retired in 1942.
@rrenkrieg7988
@rrenkrieg7988 Месяц назад
@@wormfood83 Macarthur also was so stubborn when news of Pearl Harbor happened and the preplanned airstrike on Japanese Airfields in Formosa was heavily delayed, in doing so the Japanese got the jump on the US Air Forces on the ground while they were waiting for the order to deploy, thus crippling the critical B-17s and P-40s, their mission was to hit Formosan airfields so japanese planes won't be able to support the japanese naval invasion, and subsequent ground campaign, in addition to that when the formosan airstrike was successful their secondary mission was to hit the japanese naval landing force, THE WHOLE GROUND CAMPAIGN OF THE PHILIPPINES COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF MACARTHUR JUST GAVE THE GO AHEAD INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM WAIT OVERNIGHT JUST TO CONFIRM WITH THE MAINLAND WHAT THEY ALREADY KNEW
@quentinboswell6720
@quentinboswell6720 Месяц назад
Not to mention the whole Shiro Ishii debacle. Letting a war criminal like that off the hook in return for basically nothing.
@mr.s9783
@mr.s9783 Месяц назад
Cutting a deal with Unit 731 was unforgivable.
@theplourde
@theplourde Месяц назад
@@mr.s9783wait, W H A T?
@mr.s9783
@mr.s9783 Месяц назад
@@theplourde During WWII, the Japanese led an absolutely abominable biological weapons research unit called Unit 731. The leader of this unit was a man named Shiro Ishii. After we won WWII, Douglas MacArthur, at the behest of the US government scientists, cut a deal with Ishii letting him and all of his collaborators walk free in exchange for all of their “research” data. All of that data was so crude and irrelevant that it was ultimately useless. The kinds of human experimentation done by Unit 731 makes the Nazis look like Girl Scouts. I recommend you look it up for yourself.
@Gyropathic
@Gyropathic Месяц назад
@@mr.s9783 That's not true, there was things they did with Unit 731 that did become useful for medical research, yes they're absolutely terrible, but to say it was all irrelevant is a complete fabrication. One if I can recall correctly was their testing of how long someone can live in freezing conditions, this was ABSOLUTELY useful for our ability to treat things like hypothermia and frostbite. There are others like that as well. Now am I AGREEING that letting them go was a good thing; no I think we should've gotten the research then recaptured them and... yeah... but to say it was useless research is a gross fabrication.
@Mortablunt
@Mortablunt Месяц назад
Doug was just Trumpler in uniform.
@JamesDunn-sk2sj
@JamesDunn-sk2sj Месяц назад
My great uncle, an Army Korean war vet, said this once. "If it wasn't for MacArthur, all my buddies would have come home. And if it hadn't been for General Puller, none of us would have made it out of that reservoir."
@BradanKlauer-mn4mp
@BradanKlauer-mn4mp Месяц назад
I’ll add on. If it wasn’t for General Ridgeway, the Allies wouldn’t have held the line at the 38th Parallel.
@RickStump
@RickStump Месяц назад
Also AFTER PEARL HARBOR WAS ATTACKED he put no planes in the air allowing the Japanese to wipe out his planes on the ground.
@mrgreensuit7379
@mrgreensuit7379 Месяц назад
That one is debatable. Since if he put the planes into the air the Japanese would have had altitude on them and more pilots may have been lost. They highly valued trained pilots over material planes.
@willythemailboy2
@willythemailboy2 Месяц назад
@@mrgreensuit7379 Did any of those pilots get out of the Philippines or did they get captured with everyone else?
@mrgreensuit7379
@mrgreensuit7379 Месяц назад
@@willythemailboy2 The example I was talking about was pearl harbor. The Philippines was a horrible inept crime.
@willythemailboy2
@willythemailboy2 Месяц назад
@@mrgreensuit7379 MacArthur had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor.
@mrgreensuit7379
@mrgreensuit7379 Месяц назад
@@willythemailboy2 I know that. I was responding to what someone else said about pearl harbor.
@sonar357
@sonar357 Месяц назад
MacArthur was also disappointed he didn't get the opportunity to invade and conquer Japan because the Japanese surrendered. He was wanting that big, ultimate glory of conquering an enemy's nation. That's partially why he invaded into NK, and also because he didn't believe the Chinese would join the war effort. He was incredibly disrespectful to President Truman (his boss) and he felt that, since he was the military governor of Japan that that made him Truman's equal. The guy made Patton look humble in comparison.
@82ndAbnVet
@82ndAbnVet Месяц назад
At least Patton made a positive difference on the battlefield. If you're a general and you're kicking the enemies ass, you have the right to talk shit.
@tylerhobbs7653
@tylerhobbs7653 Месяц назад
​@@82ndAbnVet Hell, Eisenhower called Patton one of the best tactical battlefield generals of all time.
@daedalus1
@daedalus1 Месяц назад
This is probably the dumbest thing I have read today. 1. "MacArthur was also disappointed he didn't get the opportunity to invade and conquer Japan..." You must be a women, because only women believe that they can read minds and TELL people what they are thinking/believe/etc. 2. "...he didn't believe the Chinese would join the war effort." China had just been overthrown by the Communist Party 2 years previous to this. So no, most people did not believe that they had their shit together yet. When General MacArthur realized this (after his brilliant Inchon landing that SAVED modern-day South Korea) he knew that since nearly the entire US Military was already in-Theater, the time to strike the Communist threat was then, since Truman's administration and State Department basically gave China to the Communist Party. Go read a book for God's sake.
@reneekhsoj
@reneekhsoj Месяц назад
Patton had his problems but he was the best general by far He would have been president if the Cia didn't kill him to prevent him starting ww3 with the Russians I know I sound crazy but holy s--t look I to it
@Nightdare
@Nightdare Месяц назад
Patton was a Soldier made General McArthur was a Trustfund Pencil Pusher with delusions of glory
@nicholasrussell6547
@nicholasrussell6547 Месяц назад
I literally see Nick considering the opportunity to punch MacArthur in the face.
@carbonwolf3865
@carbonwolf3865 Месяц назад
He definitely would try to learn necromancy just to beat the shit out of MacArthur, and I'd be buying tickets to see that because MacArthur is a prick
@1QU1CK1
@1QU1CK1 Месяц назад
My dad hated McArthur since the Bonus Marcher incident in '32. Then he got to fight across the Pacific under his command and grew to hate him even more. Then there was Korea where my dad said, "In Pusan every square inch was covered by enemy artillery and it was depressing to realize that the only reason you were alive was because the enemy didn't have time to target your personal foxhole yet. We could have gone anywhere and done some good but no, McArthur has to look good with the Marines!" Whenever they showed the "fade away" speech, my dad would yell, "Just fade away asshole!"
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
Yeah I suspect he does not realise that the Army was pinned down back there.
@watch.v-dQw4w9WgXcQ
@watch.v-dQw4w9WgXcQ 27 дней назад
@@johnnotrealname8168 he most likely did, he just didn't care
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 27 дней назад
@@watch.v-dQw4w9WgXcQ I would not impugn his father that badly.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 27 дней назад
@@watch.v-dQw4w9WgXcQ I would not impugn his father like that. I am sure he cared.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 27 дней назад
@@watch.v-dQw4w9WgXcQ I would not [REDACTED] his father. I am sure he cared.
@jamesbongiovanni5180
@jamesbongiovanni5180 Месяц назад
Part of the problem with MacArthur, is that by the time WWII kicked of for the US in 1941, he had already been a general (in some form or another) for 23 years. That's a very long time to be at the top and having everyone do exactly what you say, and I'm sure it really inflated his ego. When he retired in 1951, he had been in the US Army for 52 years, 33 of those years as a general officer.
@leojamesclune1730
@leojamesclune1730 Месяц назад
That's valid
@wormfood83
@wormfood83 Месяц назад
By WW2 he was surrounded by complete yes men. Because of that some of those early campaigns in New Guinea got botched up as well.
@israelmathes6268
@israelmathes6268 Месяц назад
His wife and child called him General
@WonderboyWDE
@WonderboyWDE Месяц назад
People don’t realize just how closely Gen Milley resembles McArthur in a lot of aspects. That man only showed a backbone when it benefited him and let a truly great General take all the heat for superbly horrific botch in Afghanistan that he actually approved while acting as the CG. Loads of other examples can equally be made of just what a true POS Milley is but I’ll leave it at that one. Even had the SOF guys tell him “sir this is a really bad idea” and he simply said “maybe, but it’s mine to make” (yes I was on the OP brief/decision meeting) even though he never set a foot near the place until well after the smoke and dust settled, and only then with a shit ton of SOF, Pathfinders and plenty of overhead cover. Complete douchebag.
@fazole
@fazole Месяц назад
Reminds me of the 70 yr old French general, Gamelin, in charge of defending France in 1940.
@herrzimm
@herrzimm Месяц назад
Absolutely agree. The man wasn't just overrated, but also a GLORYHOUND, who would throw anyone under the bus to advance his own legacy. Including trying to counter the President's orders when he felt that some kind of "additional glory" was within reach.
@theblackbear211
@theblackbear211 Месяц назад
What!? You're not a fan of "Dugout Doug"!?! A man who was awarded the Medal of Honor - for a level of performance equivalent to what his contemporaries were Court Marshaled for - at exactly the same time!? Boy, I'm grabbing some popcorn - because I'll never hear enough MacArthur bashing!
@andrewlayton9760
@andrewlayton9760 Месяц назад
Same thing for JFK. Other captains, not named Kennedy, would have been court martialed for dereliction. PT 109 was in no shape to fight, unless your captain is a glory hound.
@DerekIcelord
@DerekIcelord Месяц назад
I remember doing a report on him (specifically the fall of the Philippines) in high school. Even as a dumb teenager I remember thinking, "This guy's a prick. Why do people idolize him?"
@willythemailboy2
@willythemailboy2 Месяц назад
He was really good at PR, even well before the war started. That was the reason FDR had him abandon his post; he was so well known to the public (for basically nothing) that FDR feared the home front morale hit that him being captured or killed would have caused. The guy was basically a Kardashian in uniform, basically famous for being famous with no real ability or achievements to back it up.
@Putseller100
@Putseller100 Месяц назад
lol. It’s funny what happens when they do a bit of research on topics.
@GarthKlaus
@GarthKlaus Месяц назад
Constantly amazed at Nick's ability to present a clear, considered argument. The guy is a gift.
@jonsrm125k5
@jonsrm125k5 Месяц назад
Also gave immunity to unit 731 scientists
@waynemcdivitt3017
@waynemcdivitt3017 Месяц назад
My papa was a tank commander in Korea, and he hated McArther as well. Love from Texas.
@scottl9660
@scottl9660 Месяц назад
The good and bad about MacArthur could fill volumes. I don’t agree that you can strip a dude as complex as Mac down to a YT tagline without dehumanizing him to the point of a caricature. Also…why now European discussion of his leadership skills. The guy did more than just break up protests in DC and Pacific stuff.
@killian9314
@killian9314 Месяц назад
I love how Nicholas begins cooking and Donut and the boys are just sharing snacks around because it’s Story Time.
@carbonwolf3865
@carbonwolf3865 Месяц назад
"Hey, you want some? I got enough for everybody and then some"
@jeffgroth4245
@jeffgroth4245 Месяц назад
In 1932 as the Army Chief of Staff MacArthur lead the attack on the WW1 Bonus Army Veterans in Washington DC.
@jamesricker3997
@jamesricker3997 Месяц назад
Against orders.Hoover should have prosecuted him.
@leokim2998
@leokim2998 Месяц назад
​@@jamesricker3997 The historical documentation on this is clear,(by 3 unimpeachable sources including a Major Eisenhower) the assistant Chief of Staff, Major. General George Moseley, deliberately did not carry the order to General MacArthur to not enter the Bonus Army encampment, twice. The order did not get to MacArthur until soldiers were already clearing the camp.
@chrisgeddes26
@chrisgeddes26 Месяц назад
He also DISOBEYED orders in the defense of the P.I. leading to a MUCH faster defeat. He should have been relived upon returning to the states. Yo, F.E. while it is a defeat, the fall of the P.I. would make an awesome historic dive / episode for your channel. We can learn from our defeats and mistakes.
@willythemailboy2
@willythemailboy2 Месяц назад
Leaving MacArthur on the Philippines would have shortened the war by about six months, with the amount of gratuitous stupidity, grandstanding, and glory seeking he did.
@dixiecyrus8136
@dixiecyrus8136 Месяц назад
Between him and Montgomery I have yet to figure out who was the bigger Prima Donna!!🤣🤣🤣
@IndianArma
@IndianArma Месяц назад
Montgomery actually did stuff at El amein
@Cpt_Boony_Hat
@Cpt_Boony_Hat Месяц назад
Bear in mind I don’t like him but MacArthur did do Inchon which was impressive. Besides that the only thing I like is he used his political weight to insure we retook the Philippines
@charlesmaurer6214
@charlesmaurer6214 Месяц назад
Yep the first ladies of the stage. Patton was in the club too but at least he was willing to get in the mud and take fire himself at times. MacArthur out under cover of night and only arrives after his men took the Island on his return with camera crew.
@chriswilliams1944
@chriswilliams1944 Месяц назад
Monty did stuff, as above. He was overly cautious by & large (if you ignore Market Garden…) but he made sure he had the strength to get it done. Not fair to compare him to Mac.
@danielpayne1597
@danielpayne1597 Месяц назад
@@chriswilliams1944 Monty overestimated himself but as much as I dislike him, he did accomplish some things, and he didn't abandon his men to die like Mac. As problematic as Monty was, he's leagues better to the Mac.
@cjtexas9646
@cjtexas9646 Месяц назад
The vast majority of MacArthur’s tactical success can be attributed to Generals Walter Kruger and General Robert Eichelberger who were nicked named “MacArthur’s Germans” in army command circles. None of these men received the amount of credit they deserved due to all credit going to their boss. I consider MacArthur more of a concept guy while others handled the details. Despite his hubris, pettiness, arrogance, paranoia and being a raging narcissist with political aspirations, he was actually an innovative general who was open to creating his own intelligence apparatus and creating his own special force type units in the Pacific which was due to him not trusting the navy or OSS. The Alamo Scouts (included in US Army Special Forces lineage) was a recon unit created by Kruger and given that name by the men due to Kruger’s connection to San Antonio. As far as Korea goes, Inchon was an unexpected move that was genius, not paying attention to intel that told you a quarter of a million Chinese was about to fall on your lines is not only crapping the bed but the whole room. He was a good General who is still revered in the Philippines but probably wasn’t the best human at times and made flawed decisions based on pride.
@wormfood83
@wormfood83 Месяц назад
Not only did he disregard the intel on the Chinese about to attack, but for almost a month he ignored South Korean reports that they were encountering and clashing with Chinese forces and for then the Marines started reporting the same thing. Completely ignored and everyone was somehow shocked when the Chinese attacked en masse.
@cjtexas9646
@cjtexas9646 Месяц назад
@@wormfood83 no arguments there. the intel didn't fit what he wanted to hear...
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Месяц назад
That's the biggest folly of MacArthur haters honestly. They've allowed themselves to become so beset by MacArthur's personality and failings as a leader that, ironically, they end up giving him more attention than he deserves by utterly disregarding the success stories that occurred under his command, such as Krueger and Eichelberger. Both of whom are criminally underrated in the history of the Pacific Theater. The SWPA campaign in mid-1944 was a logistical marvel, but most people would never know that because anything associated with the MacArthur name is immediately dismissed as poorly planned, poorly executed, and even outright unnecessary and unworthy of recognition.
@bushyfromoz8834
@bushyfromoz8834 Месяц назад
Always wondered how Eichelberger felt about McArthur not only taking all the credit for his efforts in PNG by Dugout Doug keeping his name out of the media but also by denying him both an army command and a MoH award.
@BUTCH0120
@BUTCH0120 Месяц назад
He and his G2 totally ignored all intelligence about the presence of Chinese troops.
@ianhall6614
@ianhall6614 Месяц назад
I believe it was Ned Almond that when asked about the potential of China joining the war remarked, “what, are you afraid of laundry men?”. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…
@leokim2998
@leokim2998 Месяц назад
@@ianhall6614 General Almond was in command of X Corps. MacArthur and General Willloughby(G-2) were not alone, all the Western Intelligence Sources(including the nascent CIA) were of the same opinion. Except of course, a Korean Division Commander that was able to interrogate some Chinese prisoners(but by definition nit a "western intelligence source). Western Intelligence services did not feel that the Chinese had the logistical resources to mount such a major broad front assault. This assessment held a lot of racism, based on the needs of a comparable sized western force(the CCP forces were not well equipped), and ultimately wrong.
@ASDeckard
@ASDeckard Месяц назад
@@leokim2998 To be fair, the Chinese very literally did not have the logistics to mount that attack, and lost more than a full 50% of their soldiers. Not casualties, dead. It's still hotly debated, even in China, but it is expected the majority of deaths were non-combat related, such as starvation. They also had nowhere near enough ammunition, and were entirely out of artillery ammo literally in the first week, but were still ordered to drag the guns forward with them.
@leokim2998
@leokim2998 Месяц назад
@@ASDeckardThat was exactly what MacArthur and General Willougby thought. The CCP offensive defied conventional wisdom. On top of this Marshal Lin Piao notes that the CCP offensive would not have happened if they had not known(through their own intelligence directorate) that MacArthur would be politically restrained in his response.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
@@leokim2998 Not sure it was racism to believe that.
@robertjohnston7237
@robertjohnston7237 Месяц назад
Let’s not forget he essentially screwed the 1st marine division twice
@Cpt_Boony_Hat
@Cpt_Boony_Hat Месяц назад
I’m guessing 1 is Peleliu what’s the other?
@robertjohnston7237
@robertjohnston7237 Месяц назад
@@Cpt_Boony_Hat chosin reservoir
@Cpt_Boony_Hat
@Cpt_Boony_Hat Месяц назад
@@robertjohnston7237 Ah I feel dumb. I was thinking of Chosin as the oh great the Chinese hoard is coming and the Marines get stuck playing rear guard.
@robertjohnston7237
@robertjohnston7237 Месяц назад
@@Cpt_Boony_Hat it’s all good brother
@ianhall6614
@ianhall6614 Месяц назад
At least in their time of greatest danger they had rock solid O.P. Smith in command who basically ignored all the orders the Army was giving him at Chosin. Smith saved a lot of lives considering they were surrounded on all sides and spread to hell and back.
@wildewilde5775
@wildewilde5775 Месяц назад
I heard he told his men he's going to go for cigarettes.. but never came back.
@john-mf1qm
@john-mf1qm Месяц назад
Finally someone tells the truth about this general
@Mrjohnnymoo1
@Mrjohnnymoo1 Месяц назад
My grandfather was in the Dutch army in the 50’s and he fucking HATED MCARTHUR for exactly what you’re saying.
@Eboreg2
@Eboreg2 Месяц назад
Personally, I think MacArthur's post-war reconstruction service in Japan is heavily underrated.
@tommckinley111
@tommckinley111 Месяц назад
His photo op next to the god emperor upon his arrival in Japan wilted resistance overnight. When they saw their 5'3" god next to 6'4" American, they realized they had been lied to and ever since their model has been analyze, copy, imitate American.
@Butter_Warrior99
@Butter_Warrior99 Месяц назад
Pretty sure he also broke the WW1 veteran protesters in DC.
@82ndAbnVet
@82ndAbnVet Месяц назад
Now that you say that, I do remember hearing something about that.
@Kildayyan
@Kildayyan Месяц назад
He and Patton were both apart of it.
@Mike5Brown
@Mike5Brown Месяц назад
@@Kildayyan as well as Eisenhower
@Kildayyan
@Kildayyan Месяц назад
@@Mike5Brown I recently watched Americas Untold Stories about Smedley Butler when I learned about the DC shanty town and protesters. I lost a lot of respect for those generals. As terrible as it was to learn about, the two part series on Butler was an amazing watch that I highly recommend.
@Jumbocombo
@Jumbocombo Месяц назад
My grandfather was one of those marines that got surrounded by the chinese. He survived the Chosin Reservoir.
@jackhouck2687
@jackhouck2687 Месяц назад
When he took the Philippines back all of the bigger cities where burned to the ground, thousands of soldiers died, hundreds of thousands of civilians died. He could have went around the island saved many lives, but the glory was to hard to turn down
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Месяц назад
How could the US have gone around the Philippines? Like, what is the strategic alternative in your opinion?
@tarn1135
@tarn1135 Месяц назад
Umm you’re an idiot. The Philippines had to be secured before they moved on. It was not only a PR thing but strategic thing also. To put the cherry on top the japs were already murdering, burning cities, and um oh yeah HAD THIUSANDS OF AMERICAN POWs!
@benn454
@benn454 Месяц назад
@@redaug4212 Taiwan. The choice of staging ground for the invasion of Japan was down to either Taiwan or the Philippines. Mac insisted on the Philippines and got his way.
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Месяц назад
@@benn454 Nobody wanted to shoot for Taiwan (Formosa) except Admiral King. Nimitz, Spruance, Turner, and Sherman didn't like it because it pushed the Navy's timetable back by months. Army leaders didn't like it because the intel was too scarce and the losses would have been too severe. And the AAF didn't like it because it was useless as an air base due to its proximity to Japanese airfields in China, Luzon, and the Ryukyus. The Philippines was chosen not necessarily because MacArthur wanted it, but rather because it was apparent that it was the safest route to Japan by mid 1944.
@JohnJBrowne11209
@JohnJBrowne11209 Месяц назад
A lot of the urban destruction and civilians deaths were due to the Japanese
@paulkehnast6362
@paulkehnast6362 Месяц назад
"All of the negative qualities of Patton and none of the upsides." Holy shit, I was thinking the exact same thing.
@thomaspavelko9412
@thomaspavelko9412 Месяц назад
Thank you I have literally been saying the same thing for 40 years and people look at me like I don't know what the f*** I'm talking about
@jtremblay100
@jtremblay100 Месяц назад
Max Hastings book on the pacific theatre is very critical of MacArthur.
@Harrier42861
@Harrier42861 Месяц назад
I won't blame him for following orders & evacuating. The rest of his behavior before and after that point are 100% his responsibility.
@82ndAbnVet
@82ndAbnVet Месяц назад
I absolutely blame him for following orders and evacuating. Col Hal Moore was ordered back to the rear when it appeared his position was going to be overrun. He disobeyed that order, stayed with his men, and provided key decisions that only a good leader can make, and kept his men alive. Plus, there was no reason we should have lost the Philippines. MacArthur was on defense WITH superior numbers! He should have been able to hold out until reinforcements or ships to evacuate, showed up. He dropped the ball on this.
@Aredel
@Aredel Месяц назад
He's the reason the US was driven out of the Phillipines in the first place. All of his advisors wanted to consolidate their forces on the Bataan peninsula and dig in there. MacArthur ignored them and tried to defend the whole island, and the Japanese overran them piece by piece.
@Nmille98
@Nmille98 Месяц назад
​@@82ndAbnVet Thing is, reinforcements and ships weren't coming, and didn't. He and his men would've starved, because after Pearl Harbor, the "fleet" (most hulls predated WWI) in the Philippines was sunk. The rest of the Navy was in the Atlantic, now dealing with U-boats that were fully at war with the U.S. Japan had total Naval control of the region- MacArthur couldn't have held out any better than his relief did after he left.
@scyban12
@scyban12 Месяц назад
​@@Nmille98good point. Not to mention, if he was captured, it would have been a devastating morale hit when the nation at the whole was already reeling from Pearl harbor, wake island, and the lost of the Philippines. He was probably better suited to being a icon rather than a tactical leader in a unsupported gorilla campaign in the jungles of the Philippines. Of course, the abandonment of the Philippines and his men IS a MORAL failure but trying to put myself in his shoes at the time, I can't say I wouldn't have followed those orders myself. I would like to think I would HATE it and probably carry that shame for the rest of my life.
@granatmof
@granatmof Месяц назад
I won't blame him for wanting to get his family out (nevermindnthe other families that couldn't get out). But he was a general, and he failed to prep the situation to last until reinforcements could make it.
@j.wyliehartwell8769
@j.wyliehartwell8769 Месяц назад
You should do a video on Fr. Emil Kapaun, he was a farm boy from Wichita Kansas who was a chaplain in the Korean War. He was captured by the Chinese when he volunteered to stay with the wounded. He then carried a soldier back to a Chinese POW camp and was able to bring hope and humanity back to the men in the camp. After he died in the camp he was awarded the Medal of Honor.
@pieceofschmidtgamer
@pieceofschmidtgamer Месяц назад
What's even worse about the Philippines is that MacArthur, in the minutes and hours following being notified about Pearl Harbor, did absolutely nothing. Pre-war plans called for things like dispersing of the Philippines' air assets and stocking up on provisions at Bataan so that it could hold out against a prolonged siege, thereby slowing down the Japanese war effort. Had this been done the war in the Pacific could've been shortened by months or even a full year. Thanks, MacArthur!
@crankyyankee7290
@crankyyankee7290 Месяц назад
Not for nothing was he known as "Dugout Doug" !
@JayhawksH
@JayhawksH Месяц назад
@pieceofschmidtgamer I’ve seen a lot of people in these comments who keep talking about MacArthur not following war Plan Orange. What they don’t understand is that War Plan Orange dated all the way back to the early 1900’s. They also don’t account for the fact that the forces in the Philippines were too few American wise, and badly equipped, while the Philippine army being badly trained, due to MacArthur not having anywhere near the time to properly form a true Philippine army. MacArthur most certainly made a mistake by not alerting his Air Force or sending strikes to Formosa, but the people on these comments suggesting that him staying in the Philippines (btw he very much did not want to leave the Philippines he was ordered by FDR to leave, MacArthur was committed to dying in the Philippines) would have shortened the war are way off in that estimate. The fact is the Japanese would have conquered the Philippines and there wasn’t anything the US could do to stop them. It wasn’t until 1943 where the US could effectively go on the offensive. And no I don’t want to hear about fucking Guadalcanal, strategically Ernest King made a massive mistake having a counteroffensive there as soon as we did, and it nearly cost him after the navy was defeated by the Japanese on night surface actions. Only through sheer will by the fighting men on the island and airmen did Guadalcanal succeed. So this idea of War Plan Orange not being followed by MacArthur being the reason the Philippines fell and the war was prolonged is utter rubbish, after Pearl Harbor Washington had thrown that plan into the garbage bin and accepted the Philippines was going to fall.
@pieceofschmidtgamer
@pieceofschmidtgamer Месяц назад
@@JayhawksH I'm not saying MacArthur could've defeated the Japanese invasion, far from it in fact, but he could've made Japan's take over of the Philippines that much harder had he done anything at all. War Plan Orange was far from a perfect plan, but following it was better than doing nothing, which is what he ended up doing, which was a dereliction of duty on his part. Ultimately, MacArthur locked himself up in his office and became uncommunicative in the crucial hours after the Pearl Harbor attack, when his leadership was needed most.
@stevenstoll2016
@stevenstoll2016 Месяц назад
MacArthur didn't do absolutely nothing when notified, he went back to sleep, then continued to do nothing.
@robviousobviously5757
@robviousobviously5757 Месяц назад
Primadonna... he was a spoiled brat..
@larrycable1948
@larrycable1948 Месяц назад
I'm not a huge MacArthur fan, but a little realism is need. At the start of the war, military preparation in the Philippines was pretty bad because of lack of material and equipment. A handful of American regular Army, Pilipino Militia, WWI weapons and not enough of them was a guarantee that the larger, better equipped and experience Japanese Army would win. The original pre-war plan was for him to hang on until a relief force could get to the area. There was never a relief column even considered after Pearl Harbor, something they didn't tell MacArthur until it was too late. He had the choice of going down with the ship or live to fight another day. He followed his order and left. His success in the SW Pacific Theater seem to justify that decision. Fighting with the last priority for equipment and men, he still managed to fight his way up from the Soloman's and back to the Philippines. As for Korea, MacArthur gets blamed for following Instructions. Here is a quote from Brittanica " On September 27 the Joint Chiefs gave him final authority to conduct operations north of the 38th parallel; however, he was instructed to limit operations in the event of Russian or Chinese intervention. For the UNC the war aim was expanded. As announced by the UN General Assembly on October 7, it was to include the occupation of all of North Korea and the elimination of the KPA as a threat to the political reconstruction of Korea as one nation. To that end, ROKA units crossed the parallel on October 1, and U.S. Army units crossed on October 7. The ROK I Corps marched rapidly up the east coast highway, winning the race for Wŏnsan; P’yŏngyang fell to the U.S. I Corps on October 19. The Kim Il-sung government, with the remnants of nine KPA divisions, fell back to the mountain town of Kanggye. Two other divisions, accompanied by Soviet advisers and air defense forces, struggled northwest toward the Yalu River and the Chinese border at Sinŭiju. The UNC assumed that the KPA had lost its will to fight. In reality, it was awaiting rescue." MacArthur was just following orders and when that blew up in their faces, forbid him to take any actions to stop Chinese troop movement or attack infrastructure north of the Yalu River. When he gripped about it to the press, Truman fired him.
@gbonkers666
@gbonkers666 Месяц назад
Yes....finally someone with common sense.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
Exactly! This is exactly what happened and it annoys me how ignorant people are here.
@Nmille98
@Nmille98 Месяц назад
My Grandmother's cousin served in the Philippines in 1944, during their Liberation. Hated MacArthur. My Dad's Stepfather served in Korea, was trapped behind enemy lines during the first Chinese counter-offensive. I've never had a high opinion of old Mac, and I'm glad to see that history is starting to see him the way i do.
@jeffbosworth8116
@jeffbosworth8116 Месяц назад
2 things: 1) Mac didn't deserve his CMH by a long shot. 2) My dad's cousin was one he left behind. Survived the Death March, was a POW for two years, then when the Japaneese evacuated them, the ship was sunk by a US submarine, and they machinegunned all the survivors.
@PolymurExcel
@PolymurExcel Месяц назад
Right, most generals I look up to would have probably stayed with their men. No matter how fucking stupid that choice would have been. MacArthur wasn’t just the commander of the forces in The Philippines, he was the commander for all army forces in the Pacific Theater. If he actually died or got captured by the Japanese, that probably would have been one of the worst strategic failures for the U.S. of the war. Yeah, he stayed with his men….cool, he retained his honor. How is that supposed to help with the war effort if he’s dead or if he was captured? Yeah it sounds really bad of him, but I don’t know, maybe the bigger picture was more important. I don’t even want to think of the damage to troop morale if that happened that early into the war. Everything he did after, and his behavior towards his men, alright I can concede to that. It’s just the argument about The Philippines always urks me. That being said, he was a glory hound and it sounds like an over all asshole. Far from the best commander in WW2. I defiantly like Nimitz a lot more.
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Месяц назад
Yea, not fat electrician's best take. Imagine a four-star General being taken prisoner and the massive propaganda campaign that would follow. Modern Americans probably have a hard time appreciating this, but had that happened at the time there would have been a complete loss of faith in the military and likely would have strengthened the isolationist movement's position to back out of the war. Pride is a luxury that a losing nation can't afford.
@Aredel
@Aredel Месяц назад
The issue isn't that he fled while his men died. The issue is that he obeys or defies orders as a means of feeding his ego. It was his blunders that led to the Philippines being lost in the first place, and then he turned tail and ran to save his own skin.
@PolymurExcel
@PolymurExcel Месяц назад
@@Aredel and in that case, yeah, he's an asshole.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
@@Aredel This is not true though. He routinely risked his life even after this event.
@Lunarice98
@Lunarice98 Месяц назад
​@@johnnotrealname8168oh yeah really risking his life going back to bed after being told they were at war and to conduct himself appropriately cause he didn't think HE was at war.
@bigunone
@bigunone Месяц назад
I think most of us only know MacArthur from the movie
@leojamesclune1730
@leojamesclune1730 Месяц назад
I knew him as top dog during MASH
@jamesleyda365
@jamesleyda365 Месяц назад
I truly hope not
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
Good film actually. Surprisingly accurate too.
@ForchinBrewer
@ForchinBrewer Месяц назад
The kind of history that should and need to be taught.
@82ndAbnVet
@82ndAbnVet Месяц назад
Nah, let his name be forgotten. People talk about Eisenhauer. People talk about Patton. People talk about Rommel. People talk about Montgomery. (another overrated General IMO) Nobody talks about MacArthur.
@Aredel
@Aredel Месяц назад
@@82ndAbnVet Which is the problem. People don't talk about MacArthur, so he's only remembered as the guy in charge of the Pacific Theater and the guy running the Korean War. No one talks about how badly he screwed up during both campaigns for the sake of personal glory.
@deleonfrancis60
@deleonfrancis60 Месяц назад
@@82ndAbnVet wipe all records of him
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
@@Aredel He did not mess them up though.
@wildernessoutdoors6875
@wildernessoutdoors6875 Месяц назад
It’s easy to tear things apart 80 years later. No one is perfect, and politics does more damage to war efforts than any other thing. Why didn’t Roosevelt send men and supplies to the Phillipines in 1941 and ‘42? More than just submarines. Put everything MacArthur knew on the table only, and see what decisions you come up with.
@karladoesstuff
@karladoesstuff Месяц назад
My uncle was in the Navy in the Pacific theater, on a ship right behind McArthur's, and I know he hated him.
@hoopchristine5202
@hoopchristine5202 Месяц назад
I would encourage you to take a more critical look at Patton, too. Really any general in WWII that had a camera crew following them around was severely overrated because they could write their own legacy regardless of their actual military prowess (Rommel, Patton, MacArthur, etc). Honestly, the most effective commanders are usually the ones that emphasize organization (logistics, intelligence, communications, command structure, etc) over raw aggression (Eisenhower, Nimitz, Montgomery, Napoleon, etc). The ones that emphasized aggression abandoned their men (Rommel, MacArthur), beat wounded soldiers in a field hospital (Patton), or charged off into obvious traps/diversions (Halsey)
@TheJHMAN1
@TheJHMAN1 Месяц назад
My father served during the Korean War. He told me when they heard McArthur had been fired, troops cheered cheered all over the base.
@Bob1934-l6d
@Bob1934-l6d Месяц назад
Read MacArthur's autobiography. It made Mussolini's autobiography sound tame. MacArthur also hung Billy Mitchell out to dry at Mitchell's court martial. MacArthur in 1930 ordered American troops to ATTACK WW1 Veterans who were wanting the pay promised to them.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
The pay was not promised to them actually, he was ordered to get them out and as a result none of them were killed so he did a good thing. He was friends with William Lendrum Mitchell but the issue was the fault for his Court-Marshall.
@feldweible
@feldweible Месяц назад
Mac is also responsible for the sinking of the USS Indianapolis by stripping them of the destroyers that had escorted her into his AO. He's also responsible for the massive losses in the assault of Pelieu because he "Needs it for an airbase" that he never built. Not to mention that ordered troops with cavalry and tanks to burn the shanty town the "WWI Bonus Soldiers" had built in DC because they had to have somewhere to live while they were begging for Congress to pay them what was promised to them. He used tear gas on veterans, their wives and children. Then assault troops with bayonets beat people tile they fled or died.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
He was not an Admiral for goodness sake!
@ArchAngelWC
@ArchAngelWC Месяц назад
dugout doug....that man that created the requirement for long range communications so he could be far far far far far far away from the battle safe in a command bunker
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
He was at the front regularly actually.
@ArchAngelWC
@ArchAngelWC Месяц назад
@@johnnotrealname8168 to take photos and video after which he returned to the bunker
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
@@ArchAngelWC I do not care about that if bombs were being dropped on him (Brave camera-men and correspondents.).
@unyieldingsarcasm2505
@unyieldingsarcasm2505 Месяц назад
The order to abandon his men, given by FDR, wasn't something even FDR wanted to do btw. The president really, REALLY didnt like MacArthur by this point, but was semi forced into trying to save him by public opinion and politics. Its a whole mess, the start of the war in the usa was essentially all politics vs what made strategic sense due to isolationists hamstringing the administration at every single step imaginable.
@jimjimson9384
@jimjimson9384 Месяц назад
"I'm not the arbiter of reality, I don't get to choose morality" - Fat Electrician dropping some of the dopest hip hop lyrics in 2024.
@TakNuke
@TakNuke Месяц назад
He also costed SK, USA and its allies nearly the korean war by underestimating chinese. Has he taken their intent to intervene seriously although divided UN would have gotten a much larger part of Korean peninsula had they made a defensive line north of Pyongyang instead of trying to reach Yalu or even if the UN decided to to go for Yalu they should have made to at least two defensive lines (like in Italy during WW2) one at narrowest part of korean peninsula i.e. north of Pyongyang and a second at 50% of Korean peninsula which is south of Pyongyang but still at artillery distance from your line. A more favourable ending to Korean war would have lead to eventual unification of Korean peninsula years later.
@Capsuleer7
@Capsuleer7 Месяц назад
My dad was in Korea, and his said the mood amongst the folks around him was McArthur basically made all their effort worth nothing. He blamed the entire snafu that is the DPRK on the guys vainglorious behavior.
@killian9314
@killian9314 Месяц назад
On the abdandoning Phillipines, as bad as it sounds like. And I am not defending MacArthur, I’m defending the order of the President. It is a good idea to try to keep as many experienced officers and pull them back if the situation seems like it’s going to collapse. Because you will need all of the people that can plan and run things, grunt work alone does not win wars (not that i’m saying it is not appreciated, by far is it the main force, but officers make the big plans too). So i understand if a general is good, not wanting to deprive your side of his expertise. However, is MacArthur good enough to justify that? I can’t say, i wouldn’t be confident saying yes even. But the principle is sound. On the other side, as honorful as it sounds to hear of the japanese captains and admirals sinkins with their ships in the battle of Midway, that is one example of something that “sounds” right being detrimental to a military in the long run. All those years of experience know how of leadership was lost, and went on to help the americans indirectly.
@jeffreytimmerman6905
@jeffreytimmerman6905 Месяц назад
Not to mention that he positioned his troops and planes the same way that General Short did in Hawaii even though he had much more warning then Short did. Even though he knew about the attack. Short was relieved and this guy got a promotion.
@jedironin380
@jedironin380 Месяц назад
"Good soldiers follow orders." "That depends on who's giving them."
@Zcp105
@Zcp105 Месяц назад
The fact that Husband Kimmel and Walter Short were relieved from command after Pearl Harbor (perhaps justifiably) but MacArthur, despite having far more warning about the Philippines, is also caught off guard, and then not only doesn't get fired, but is awarded the Medal of Honor has never sat right with me.
@Ghostofachance-iw8pr
@Ghostofachance-iw8pr Месяц назад
Roosevelt had, at least, a week's warning (by several reliable sources) that the Japanese navy was headed for Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt wanted an excuse to get into the European war.
@craigdelegato908
@craigdelegato908 29 дней назад
Sorry bro, he was ordered by Roosevelt to leave. The opinion was it would be problematic for a WW1 hero and general of his rank to be killed or become a prisoner. While he was absolutely arrogant and irascible as a commander...he was no coward.
@sawyerawr5783
@sawyerawr5783 Месяц назад
MacArthur's even worse than Nic Points out: when the war kicked off in December 41, he was told, flatly, "You are now at war, conduct yourself accordingly." What did he do? go back to bed. He thought that Japan was at war with America, not him. he was that narcissistic. the man had 36 of the 50 B-17s in service in December 41 sitting on Clark Field on Luzon, he had the biggest damn air fleet the US had put together at that time. he wasted it because he though himself an independent fiefdom. He didn't leave because he was ordered to: he didn't follow orders anyway. He left because it saved his precious ass.
@CallsItLikeISeizeIts
@CallsItLikeISeizeIts Месяц назад
He was indeed a independent command in charge of the PI and as such dealt directly with the war department fighting and begging for any and all resources and being denied at almost every turn, and yes Japan was at war with America.
@leokim2998
@leokim2998 Месяц назад
The aircraft in question had been sortied many times throughout the morning. Pursuit aircraft had attempted to intercept Japanese aircraft but the Japanese were called off due to weather. The bombers had been in a holding pattern above Clark Field, when MacArthur released the authority to General Brereton to conduct offensive air operations at 1014 the morning of December 8. The bombers needed to land to refuel, and plan for an attack as a pre-war reconnaisance of Formosa would have been inflammatory. The Japanese hit Clark when the bombers were refuelling. There is an idea... plausible but not likely that Manuel Quezon, Sergio Osmena(President and Vice President of the Philippines) that the Philippines could possibly negotiate with the Japanese. But the Philippines as an American Protectorate obviously diminished that possibility. An air attack on Formosa based out of the Philippines would have appropriately destroyed an possibility of that.
@richardlangdon1096
@richardlangdon1096 Месяц назад
Just before 7 Dec, 1941, he received orders, from Washington D.C, to displace his planes and up his guards. This was to prepare for a possible attack by the Japanese. He ignored the order. Subsequently, his planes were destroyed. This resulted in the P.T. boat having to evacuate him.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
This is not true.
@OpusXtr
@OpusXtr Месяц назад
It was the right thing to get Mac out of PI. He was already a celebrity capturing him would have been huge for the Japanese. He did a hundred other things but getting him out of PI was the thing to do.
@Nightdare
@Nightdare Месяц назад
The fact that Japan captured another 15 (battlehardened) Generals after the surrender,... meh, who cares
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
@@Nightdare So getting more Generals was what should have happened?
@Nightdare
@Nightdare Месяц назад
@@johnnotrealname8168 They should have kept as many high ranking officers with valuable intel out of the hands of the enemy as possible
@waynethompson4071
@waynethompson4071 Месяц назад
Read the Book " American Caesar " By William Manchester. You may change your mind.
@cyclonebuzz8172
@cyclonebuzz8172 Месяц назад
There's a few important things left out about MacAurther in the Philippines. Roosevelt lied to MacAurther several times. First, he promised supplies and reinforcements to MacAurther for months during the invasion. Some supplies came through submarines, but that was it. Also, MacAurther refused to leave the Philippines several times even after being ordered to. Even when the president of the United States ordered him to, he refused at first. He didn't agree to leave until Roosevelt told him he was leaving to command at counteroffensive in the Philippines. When he found out he was being sent to Australia and not commanding a counteroffensive, he was furious. MacAurther demanded to talk to Roosevelt, but Roosevelt wouldn't even see him for almost a year. I have seen interviews with people who were in his staff, and they said them and MacAurther didn't know they were going to Australia until they got on planes to go there. MacAurther was an ass hole and a glory hound for sure. Roosevelt is responsible for the Pacific campaign being put on the back burner. Us ground forces in the Pacific had almost only ww1 equipment until midway through the capture of guadalcanal. It took a year for them to get m1s and light machine guns. Also, m4 Shermans didn't make it there till guadalcanal. The us forces in North Africa had the latest us military equipment from the start. The m1 garand was adopted in 1936, but it took till 1943 for soldiers and marines to receive them. The men were using bolt action rifles and maxim machine guns against human wave attacks in the jungle.
@Benecki
@Benecki Месяц назад
The Marines didn't want the M1 at first. And the Stewart Tank was the better choice in swampy Guadalcanal.
@cyclonebuzz8172
@cyclonebuzz8172 Месяц назад
@Benecki While yes, what you have said it true it's an example of information without context that leads to the wrong conclusion. Just like MacAurthers' defense of the Philippines. The Marines indeed didn't want the garand at first, but they officially adopted the rifle in 1940, though. There was over a year to equip the marines and army in the Pacific. They never received updated equipment even though Roosevelt and the top generals knew it was just a matter of time before the us was at war with Japan. The marines were so desperate for modern weapons that they purchased as many Johnson auto rifles, Johnson light machine guns, and risen submachine guns they were allowed to buy. As far as armor, they did have the latest vehicles at the start of the war, like m3s and light tanks. Also, the aircraft were pretty much up to date. The M4s were late to be delivered, in my opinion. M4s would have been a massive help in the defense of Henderson field or in tarawa. The m4 did great against emplacements when the Japanese dug in. Also, you had the bar, Thompson, and browning 1919 light machine gun that were adopted at the end of ww1. Those weapons, to the best of my knowledge, didn't make it to the Pacific till 1943. The browning 1919 would have been a massive help vs. the water cooled maxim that took 4 people to carry. It was fine in a fixed defensive position, but it wasn't as portable as the 1919. The men and generals did the best they could, in my opinion, with subpar equipment and virtually no support for a year. In my opinion, the Japanese wouldn't have made it all the way to Australia if the Pacific forces had full support. ( The Japanese actually landed a small party of soldiers in northern Australia at the beginning of the war, but they left after a few days).
@Mike5Brown
@Mike5Brown Месяц назад
Agreed the backlash against MacArthur is an over correction, people have forgotten how popular he really was and downplay how much that propaganda helped the war effort. Throughout history there have been only a handful of people as popular as McArthur who were actually as good as the hype.
@cyclonebuzz8172
@cyclonebuzz8172 Месяц назад
@Mike5Brown I am disappointed in FE not looking into the Chinese involvement in the Korean war way more. The United States actually had fought the Chinese communist way before Korea. They actually kept the communist from invading tiawan multiple times before the Korean war started. US aircraft and artillery stopped an attempted invasion of Tiawan. Both sides shelled each other a lot, and a company in tiawan makes knives from old Chinese shells. Also, Chinese aircraft had been attacking UN forces from the start of the war. There's strong evidence that Russians piloted Chinese marked aircraft during the war to. The Chinese had already committed acts of war before their main forces crossed the border. Chinese (volunteers) had already been fighting there, and Chinese tanks had been deployed to Korea. MacAurther didn't expect the Chinese to throw their whole army into the war, and that's what they did. If un forces weren't ordered to pull back into South Korea after repelling the surge. China's whole army would have been defeated, and they didn't have anything left in China. Truman feared the USSR would get involved and ordered the un forces to pull back after they had started the advance to take North Korea again.
@Benecki
@Benecki Месяц назад
@@cyclonebuzz8172 thank you for your repley. With your knowlege from today you are always smarter. But don't forget the context of time. I agree with everthing you wrote from auer view today but not from the 1940 perspectiv.
@momoniji6439
@momoniji6439 Месяц назад
😂 This guy has no clue what hes talking about, he spreads misinformation to sound like he knows what hes talking about to people that don’t know much about the topic.
@ryanmeredith4986
@ryanmeredith4986 Месяц назад
McArthur and Patton. One of them leads by saying “Follow me”
@silaskuemmerle2505
@silaskuemmerle2505 Месяц назад
And the other leads by saying "I want you to take Buna or don't come back alive"
@gbonkers666
@gbonkers666 Месяц назад
Well, they called Patton "bloods and guts" for a reason. It certainly wasn't his.
@fazole
@fazole Месяц назад
What was criminal, was the unprepared state of the Philippine Air Force. The Army Air Corps was sending most of their green fighter pilot grads to the PI. The training there was inadequate, shortage of spare parts, refusal to recognize Japanese threat even though their recon planes were flying over the islands. The attitude in the months leading up to the war in pilot training there was like a country club; an hour or 2 of training, hit the beach, drinks, dinner and dancing. When the Japanese attacked Manila, most of the US Philippine Air Force was lost due to dumb mishaps, like accidents caused by dust clouds stirred up by taxiing B-17s resulting in fighters unable to see and colliding!
@nadog1011
@nadog1011 Месяц назад
And especially coming from us guys from Australia he hated us I reckon he was a secret racist only being seen as the good man when the camera's are around he wasn't even a good leader not even close he is in my humble opinion a disgrace to the uniform and the hat yep as a general he was a disgrace, so so many problems in the pacific was caused from him or the lack of him listening to accurate reports and yeah he only wanted what he wanted to hear from intelligent reports omg everything he does it makes your Brian's hurt more and more the more you read into him how he never got fired is a joke he should have fired when the war started.
@georgesam363
@georgesam363 Месяц назад
See also: Sam Kinnison's character in Old School...
@GreenEyedRogue
@GreenEyedRogue Месяц назад
He had one shining moment during WWI and rode that pony to 4 stars. He was the epitome of everything wrong with the American officer corps--arrogant, patrician, and incurious. He ordered a cavalry charge against an encampment of WWI veterans in Anacostia (DC) who were peacefully protesting getting screwed by the government.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
He was ordered to get them out and they were not peacefully protesting actually.
@GreenEyedRogue
@GreenEyedRogue Месяц назад
@@johnnotrealname8168 The stories conflict. The protests started peacefully enough but any large enough protest eventually attracts agitators. At issue was promised but unpaid bonuses. The Depression was in full swing and these veterans were broke and desperate and when the legislation to expedite the bonus payments failed the veterans refused to go away quietly. The DC police were deployed and began clubbing men which triggered a riot. Two veterans were killed by the police and dozens required hospitalization. After the cops failed to push them out the Army was called upon--cavalry, tanks, and infantry. MacArthur disobeyed Hoover's orders to not follow them over the bridge. The Doughboys were tear-gassed and physically pushed over the bridge to their tent city in Anacostia where the Army began dismantling and burning the tent city. There are many archived testimonials that describe the evolution of events with consistency and the appearance of cavalry escalated the situation. MacArthur called the veterans communists and traitors, but they were mostly enlisted men, so, you know, fuck 'em.
@jmichna1
@jmichna1 Месяц назад
My Dad served in the Pacific in WWII as a radar operator (US Army, Signal Corps), this was back when radar was pretty much considered a "secret weapon.' They'd land his unit in forward bases, where they'd set up portable radar stations prior to invasions, to monitor enemy air and naval traffic. He was involved in a number of invasions, including the return to the Philippines. Dad had mixed feelings about MacArthur, especially his leaving his command behind in the Philippines, but one thing Dad did admire about MacArthur was his desire, during the Korean War, to use nuclear weapons to stop the Chinese... it would have certainly changed Cold War history (consider... neither Russia nor China was in a position to match nukes vs the US at that point in time, and maybe there would be no future Vietnam conflict?), but Truman stopped him, and then forced MacArthur's retirement. Another thing Dad admired was MacArthur did do a good job rebuilding Japan, re-establishing stability (Dad served as part of the Japan Occupation forces for some time after they surrendered).
@jackhowe6
@jackhowe6 Месяц назад
In 1950, the US was having production issues with the nuclear arsenal. The "nuclear guarantee" was essentially a bluff. Mac kept threatening China with nukes, when the US supply was about 3. Truman ordered him point blank to stop and shut up, without mentioning the nuclear problem (not something you want publicized - and Mac was notorious for leaking everything). Truman ended up having to pull MacArthur, so the Soviets wouldn't realize they could steamroll Europe. The issue got fixed, but by then then the needlepointing, mocked by his wife, mama's boy general was out.
@jackhowe6
@jackhowe6 Месяц назад
Yeah, American military history has been made buy guys that defy orders - like George Custer, ordered to scout cautiously.
@stevenstoll2016
@stevenstoll2016 Месяц назад
The USSR detonated their first nuclear bomb in 1949, well before Korea invaded in 1950. USSR may not have been able to "match nukes", but that doesn't really matter.
@TheIFerreiraoliveira
@TheIFerreiraoliveira Месяц назад
2:27 why did we get involved in this conversation ????? (Im brazilian XD)
@IamKingSleezy
@IamKingSleezy 24 дня назад
Biggest nation by size in SA that would realistically be able to take everything up to the US border. But that’s on paper. Nothing against Brazil lol
@rebeccahavlik7838
@rebeccahavlik7838 Месяц назад
Yes ! finally someone speaks the truth
@panzerjagertigerporsche
@panzerjagertigerporsche Месяц назад
From what I learned, MacArthur only left the Philippines because he was informed that he was supposed to build up a new fighting force in Australia and he interpreted that info as there was a fighting force being assembled in Australia that he could then use to fight Japan as soon as he got to Australia
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
Yeah! Exactly, he was lied to by Washington about supplies and re-inforcements.
@derekmonroe3691
@derekmonroe3691 Месяц назад
MacArthur and Patton were "twins" like Devito and Schwarzenegger.
@82ndAbnVet
@82ndAbnVet Месяц назад
Which one is Patton? I'm kind of leaning toward DeVito. The foul mouth and "I can do anything" attitude, fits nice.
@derekmonroe3691
@derekmonroe3691 Месяц назад
@@82ndAbnVet So Patton talked a lot but didn't do anything?
@johntarnowski9086
@johntarnowski9086 7 дней назад
The TV show MASH used to always subtly rip on him
@bitfreakazoid
@bitfreakazoid Месяц назад
"Player 3 enters the battle" LOL
@pantarkan7
@pantarkan7 Месяц назад
His problem was the same one a LOT of people have; he believed his own BS. He sold himself as some near-mythical tactician; and never bothered to prepare defense in depth, because he's mcarthur and they won't get past him in the first place... then they did. Then it happened again, because he didn't learn anything from the last time.
@andrewelliott1592
@andrewelliott1592 Месяц назад
Hal Moore video from Chubby Electron Man when?
@82ndAbnVet
@82ndAbnVet Месяц назад
What? You mean senior officers CAN disobey orders and stay in the fight to lead their men? This sounds too much like fake news. Can I get a Community Note here?
@FP194
@FP194 Месяц назад
It was protocol to evacuate a a commanding general so he was not captured You are throwing 💩 to get views and comments
@johnleonard9102
@johnleonard9102 Месяц назад
Now I see where Tim Walz got his inspiration.
@hermanlinam5317
@hermanlinam5317 Месяц назад
My uncle was a Korean War Vet, and he cursed McArthur's name.
@writerartist5822
@writerartist5822 Месяц назад
He put himself in for medal of honor 3 times. Mexico, ww1, ww2.
@ianhall6614
@ianhall6614 Месяц назад
Some historians surmise that he was finally awarded one for the Philippines as a badge of shame for his failure. Not sure if that’s actually the case but I like to think it’s true.
@JayhawksH
@JayhawksH Месяц назад
Both Mexico and WW1 were actually deserved though, MacArthur in WW1 participated in many assaults on German positions and many trench raids, the French he fought with were actually amazed that an officer was volunteering to go on trench raids as often as MacArthur did
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
You mean this guy: "He was also extraordinarily brave. His twenty-two medals-thirteen of them for heroism-probably exceeded those of any other figure in American history. He seemed to seek death on battlefields. Repeatedly he deliberately exposed himself to enemy snipers, first as a lieutenant in the Philippines shortly after the turn of the century, then as a captain in Mexico, and finally as a general in three great wars. At the age of seventy he ordered his pilot to fly him in an unarmed plane through Chinese flak over the length of the bleak Yalu. Nevertheless, his troops scorned him as “Dugout Doug.”"-American Caesar: Douglas MacArthur 1880-1964 (1978) By William Raymond Manchester.
@leokim2998
@leokim2998 Месяц назад
MacArthur wasn't recalled for crossing the 38th Parallel into North Korea, he was recalled because his private opinion that was made public was that the United States aim in the Korean War was not victory over the Chinese. President Truman's aim in Korea was not victory but containment. General Bradley pointed out that Korea was "the wrong war, in the wrong place and with the wrong enemy." The frustration of any military commander is to have resources available and not be able to use them. In this case, rules of engagment that prevented him attacking his enemy's logistic and military support(possibly with nuclear weapons, but there is no evidence they were needed or wanted by MacArthur at the time, there is a posthumously revealed interview that took place after the war that does not put the most positive light on MacArthur's understanding of nuclear weapons) but MacArthur did not agree with the idea of a limited war. Although limited war is the most appropriate in the context of nuclear weapons. The worldwide stockpile of nuclear weapons in 1950 was 305. 299 in the hands of the USA, 4 in the Soviet Union and 1 in the UK. Only deliverable by bomber and the Soviet TU-4 was not overly reliable, but it was a remarkable reverse engineering of interned and crashed B-29s. I am not saying Truman was wrong, a nuclear catastrophe in Korea would have totally destroyed K-Pop.
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
Reading this lets me know how stupid people are in this comment's section.
@thecommenter9678
@thecommenter9678 Месяц назад
Most generals are overrated. The thing is we overblow most leaders achievements or histories. It's not just old MacNCheese. key example, Patton. Can't convince me that Patton wasn't a downright ego driven man that ran his men through a meat grinder our of pure laziness and lack of tactical thought. My great grandfather was in WWII (None combat role, he maintained trainer aircraft In the states) but he sure talked to a lot of people that came home from combat. Some of them came from Patton command and let me tell you, he they never had anything good to say about the man in private, only when the newspapers and cameras where asking did they say a single sweet word about him. From everything my great grandfather told me about what they said, Patton saw himself as above everyone else, a man with a destiny and no qualms about how many he had to throw into the grinder to get his rightful fame and glory. He always suspected someone on our side offed him for being a right bastard. Or maybe it was all that "Lets go invade Russia" talk of his and the government did it... though that's my preferred theory. (Not an original thought mind you) Please note all of this is the words of my great grandfather and men who's names I do not know. (Not gonna pretend I'm speaking gospel truth here) But i have NO reason not to believe him, he didn't talk shit, EVER, but he HATED Patton and this man didn't get angry over anything.
@surebuddysure6070
@surebuddysure6070 Месяц назад
The fact that Patton also believed he was the incarnation of an ancient soldiers from other contries…. This dude was full of himself
@johnhallett5846
@johnhallett5846 Месяц назад
so many comments here by those who think Google tells you everything 1) FDR, commander in chief, ordered him out of Bataan. Only a moron calls that abandoning them 2) He screwed up badly in thinking his troops could perform better than they did; not well trained and not well equipped. That was his worse performance as a combat general; that and not ordering the evacuation of supplies to Bataan sooner. 3) he did very well later in the war; leap frogging was something he embraced early on. NOT island hopping. 4) retaking the philippines was the right thing to do; the HONORABLE thing. The Formosa plan had some very difficult logistic problems that might not have been able to be worked out 5) Inchon was one of the greatest plans in military history 6) not fully preparing for the Chinese to come in was his other huge mistake as a general 7) he did NOT ask or want nuclear weapons used against the Chinese. 8) his rebuilding of Japan was masterful. He had plusses and minuses but he was a gigantic figure of the time. OVer rated? Probably. But then so were other figures of note.
@gbonkers666
@gbonkers666 Месяц назад
Finally...someone using their brains...
@johnnotrealname8168
@johnnotrealname8168 Месяц назад
He wanted to prepare for the Chinese but was not allowed to. He sayed later in life that he wanted to use nuclear weapons but Harry S. Truman never brought documents to contradict Five-Star General Douglas MacArthur.
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