I don't know what it is about GNOME, but I keep coming back to it. I do web design / development and programming and I just enjoy how everything is out of the way and I just focus on work. Just my 2 cents.
I prefer a more customizable and tuneable desktop any day, you can get it to work better after a bit of work. However, I agree with you that any OS and desktop should get out of the way as much as possible, offering more options doesn't mean that it gets in your way. The worst example is Windows, especially Windows10 which continually "begs for your attention like an insecure child at school" (that LinuxGamer guy phrased it this way) and interrupts you (updates which can be rahter slow).
When I decided to uninstall dash-to-panel and stop making Gnome look like windows I was amazed by how much of a distraction that bar at the bottom of the screen had been. The sparsely populated monochrome top bar is all we need.
I like a taskbar but a big mistake in design is when you can not easily switch between tasks. In KDE you have a simple hotkey to switch to the next or previous taks, in XFCE I haven't found such a solution yet. There is function for it but it doesn't seem to work all the time. I hate switching to another task via alt+tab because it is too slow. You can however easily move items to another desktop and switch to another desktop.
It's the same story for me, I've tried lots of different DEs and always come back. I spend most of my days in front of a computer (don't know if that qualifies me as a power user though) and Gnome works perfect (almost) for me. I think Gnome is misunderstood by a lot of people, people expecting it to work like a traditional desktop and complaining when they realize it isn't, people who like to customize and fiddle with things for hours instead of you know... working, and after some time you realize you don't even need a lot of things you thought you needed. It is far from perfect, it is not for everybody, and that is fine too, but I think if people approach it with a more open mind and really try using it for a while and getting used to its minimalistic feel a lot will say hey, this is not bad at all!
Totally agreed, and Gnome does offer some degree of customization with gnome-tweak-tool. I actually have been trying to make Windows behave like Gnome for some time before knowing the existence of Gnome lol. I had similar experience with my phones. I used to use Xiaomi and flash my phone with a new ROM basically every 2 weeks, spending a whole day or so tweaking and customizing and restoring my apps etc. Until one day I decided to switch to One Plus and realized, dang, I have been wasting so much time tinkering myself while there's something as clean and minimal as stock Android and work for me out of the box. I still do a bit of customization though, by using my own icon pack.
Wow I honestly thought I were the only one who used GNOME without Dash to Dock / Panel. And I really don't care about desktop icons. I mean, even on Windows I delete them when they get automatically created! I think it makes a desktop look uselessly messy.
Desktop icons is one something that should move into another desktop "lense". The ability to access files indepedent of their storage location on the disk and an application (recent file collections) is precious and important. I just want multiple icon collections. Why this isn't developed more is beyond my understanding.
Well, I do like to have the trashcan visible, and I am still getting used to mounted drives not showing up on the desktop. But as for the rest, they're ugly and unnecessary.
Gnome 3.30 has had a lot of internal improvements, they've fixed most of the memory leaks and while they were at it improved performance and responsiveness.
I'm currently using Windows 10, but I plan on switching to Ubuntu soon due to Steam Play & that I will finally be able to play my Windows games using it. So far my most favourite DE is probably MATE, since I can customise it to be familiar to the Win 10 layout, yet still keep the Linux feel with it. No idea why I wrote this, just wanted to share
You may find this(github.com/B00merang-Project/Windows-10) very interesting. They also have windows-dark, mac sierra, sierra-dark, windows 7 and other themes.
I don't like Gnome 3 at all. That said ... at least with Gnome 3 the two biggest players in Linux (Ubuntu and RedHat) are now both using it, and we can therefore look forward to rapid development and consistent app use and performance. Much as I love the freedom of the various GNU/Linux window managers, having a consistent interface is going to go a long way in making the user experience consistent and good for people other than tech nerds.
I think that you nailed it home with one point. The whole idea of an operating system or user interface is to get out of the way and assist the user in getting his/her work done. That is it. Doesn't matter if it is Gnome, KDE, MacOS interface or even Windows interface. It is about being able to get your work done. Different users have different requirements& preferences that may or may not comply with Gnome's direction. That does not mean that Gnome is bad or heading in the wrong direction, it just means that you'd be happier with something else.
GNOME is by far my favourite DE. Mouse interaction is not that bad when you have a mouse with a spare button (MX Master here). I've put the Activities overview on the button under my thumb and GNOME gets a hell of a lot more efficient with a mouse, love it.
Technically, you don't have to type anything. My most used apps are all in the dash. I just wanted to share sth that made me like Gnome even more. I'm more of a mouse user and this solution is very handy. It saves on mouse travel all the way up to top left corner and then down again where I actually want to get to (e.g. workspace switcher). Other times I use the meta key and type it out, just as I wish and feel comfortable with. It's a convenience thing and depends on what I do ( just browsing or typing for longer). For example, I don't use Dash-to-Dock anymore. I can't stand it when there is sth like a dock obstructing my screen real estate. Automatic hiding? - No, that just gets on my nerves.
Gnome is by far the most polished and smooth gtk desktop. I still don't get why I have to use a separate app for basic things such as changing fonts or themes, but I use it everyday.
I always hear people talking about 8t being stuttery but I use gnome on multiple machines and never notice it. Everything feels buttery smooth and within reach for me on all my machines.
Gnome 3 is a failure since day 1 for a very simple reason and that is: it is a GUI for tablets! Microsoft did the same mistake with Windows 8 but eventually listened to its users and came out with Windows 10 bring back the Start Menu. Why you stubborn Gnome 3 developers dont you listen what the community is been saying all this time? Even Linus Torvalds said that Gnome 3 is not a good UI!
As mentioned repeatedly in the video, it's keyboard-driven, so it's obviously not a gui for tablets. Having a full-screen apps grid does not make something a tablet interface, it's just using the available space efficiently!
Gnome 3 for me is only good with dash to dock permanently on the side like Ubuntu and with desktop icons though it needs be be like it used be before they took desktop icons away
A big problem in the Linux desktop world is that we get served way too often beta releases and it takes years to reach quality and stability. Once that is reached then quite open kicks-in a completely new version (which totally breaks with the past) and we are falling back into the dark ages. KDE Plasma has luckily reached a good level of quality and stability. According to your review Gnome is now also reaching a decent level of quality. I am curious when all that gets broken again by some stupid developer decisions (what is the main disease in the Linux world).
I completely agree with your comment. I think that GNOME 2 was coming at a point that all the rough edges were finally polished up, and so many people were excited by the achieved results that when GNOME 3 came out, the decision to basically redesign everything from scratch created a lot of frustration for many users. My main complain to GNOME developers is actually connected to this very way of doing things. They usually don't mind breaking an estabilished user workflow and user's habits to impose their view. Their vision to create something that gets "out of the way" actually forces many users to relearn what the already know. The DE that already was "out of the way" suddenly becomes the object of so many attentions that focusing on contents it is actually very difficult. In addition, the fact that many established functionalities are now offered as extensions only , creates a need for customisation that goes beyond theming and people spend hours setting up their personal DE before actually becoming productive again. Also, the fact the GNOME actually don't mind changing api used by those extensions, makes everything very unstable and frustrating for users. Despite my criticism, I still love GNOME, the fact that it has a vision and strives to create something new. It makes my linux desktop more interesting and "original" and that's why I love linux so much. Is gnome making me more productive? I don't think so. I don't comply to the "Power user" definition of this video. When I want to really be productive achieve something in an efficient and straightforward way, I just fire up my Mac and I use their interface which like it or not, is very stable and hasn't changed a lot in the last 20 years.
Another video to stir up controversy and increase view counts. Gnome 3 is a disaster because (1) it killed Gnome 2 in such a way that the _latter_ had to be forked, and (2) it ignores and often actively opposes user preferences, mostly power users but not only. Microsoft tried the same and was quickly brought in line by shareholders.
I use imagemagick to edit images and ffmpeg to edit videos in the terminal. Consider yourself impressed. Of course, doing advanced graphical operations in a GUI is much more efficient than doing it in a CLI, but for basic functionality, like making an image background transparent, or concatenating videos, it is much more simple and efficient to use the shell.
I think, that Gnome has really big potencial, but they fuck it up. Removing the default minimaze and mazimaze options and USING FUCKING JAVA. Yeah, Java. No wonder why it lags on high end hardware and conumes way too much ram. Not to mention, memory leaks (because of java). It is shame, since most part is written using C (which is very good), but then they fuck it up.
Gnome 3 is a great desktop and interface. I mean, it is focused on work. It uses a great system notification for users, and yes, its minimal but powerful. More if U use keyboard shortcuts...and frecuent apps menu. I love Gnome!!!
I am part of a soon defunct species: sysadmin. I've been dealing with Windows since NT 4.0 and got into Linux with Fedora Core 3. Gnome is by far the best DE I've ever worked with, way ahead of everything I've come across.
Gtk 3 is awesome, but Shell is probably one of the most counter intuitive piece of software I've ever saw. Also if you have lo-dpi screen it looks horrendous.
The problem is that it lags and it doesn't matter if you have high end hardware, you will notice the lag when switching windows or going to overview, the fps drops, the lag in animations, the bloated out of box ram usage. What about the ridiculously inefficient ui. It's not meant for touch screens but not for desktops either, the fat oversize csd, the arrogant and elitist attitude from gnome devs, the blatant attempts to mimic macos but not being even remotely close to it, the crippled apps that have less features with each release. Gnome files has less functionality than android file managers on a mobile os. Gnome goes against everything that Linux had. Thankfully we have plenty of other desktops to choose from.
I've got a desktop with i5 4590 + 8GB and a netbook with N3050 + 2GB. Performance difference is HUGE! With Plasma, it doesn't feel too much difference between these two computers with different specs. I hope 3.30 gets better at performance just as GNOME developers said. If so, i would like to switch back to it. But not before they fix the performance issue.
GPU does matter though... On my laptop (GTX 960M, 4k display), it usually is quite snappy but does stutter a bit every now and then. On my desktop(GTX1080, one 4k and one 2k display), it just feels fluid... Maybe it's due to the animation and stuff, but I quite like that. It would be better if scaling of Qt apps gets better. As for the design decisions, everyone has his/her own cup of tea IMHO, regardless of the OS / Platform. I personally dislike KDE for its overwhelming customization options. Looking for some settings I want is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack. But still there are so many people loving KDE because of its customizability. Just different tastes.
The kind of stuff you were doing and talking about certainly does qualify as the kind of thing power users would do. However, I think this was still pretty light as far as power users go. Long story short: Cinnamon has good defaults that don't get in the way of even more powerful usage. Gnome can be tweaked to be compliant with my workflow, but doing so takes a while. So here are some examples of the things that get in my way in Gnome. 1. Alt tab switches between apps, not windows. Let's say I have two file managers and a few terminals open on more than one desktop. When I alt+tab, I really need to stay in the desktop where I currently am. Also I need to switch between that specific terminal and this specific file manager window here. I need to be in full control and things need to happen quickly. The default behavior of alt+tab seriously gets in the way of the kind of rapid switching I need. BTW this sort of switching happens very frequently so it needs to be very fast and reliable. 2. I also like to keep my windows and virtualdesktops/workspaces well organised. For instance, file management and terminals live mainly on workspace 1, calculations on 2, browsers on 3, photos on 4 and so on. Whenever I press meta+3 I expect to find my browsers. Here's how the default settings get in the way: When I clear workspace 2 of all windows, that particular workspace disappears and whatever used to be on 3 gets thrown on 2. Next time I press meta+3 I'll find text documents, images or whatever happens to be there today. Certainly not what I normally expect to find on workspace 3. In reality the full list of things to change would be longer, but these are the ones I could remember easily. But as I said, everything that annoys me in the vanilla Gnome can be tweaked in the settings, dconf or through extensions. It's not a complete deal breaker, but it makes me wonder if the developers had this sort of demanding usage in mind at all.
I can with gnome shell switch windows with keyboard, have good alt+tab, good exposé. I can use the mouse and..I don't know what anybody would be missing except 500mb of ram. Only one thing beat it and that's a proper tiling wm, maybe combined with xfce. Dash to panel and u basically have windows ducking 10 which is nice.
I was a Gnome user when I started with Linux and saw myself sliding to KDE during the journey. I see a lot of KDE/Qt apps on your presentation, not sure if you can use a Vanilla Gnome with Gtk only apps. KDE for the win.
One thing I don't get about GNOME, is why you can't set the desktop background to center/stretch without installing a tweak tool or using the command line. At least that's how it was when I tried it a while back. It looks like it would be a decent desktop for HTPC use, but right now I'm pretty happy with Cinnamon on Mint 19.
If you look at the goal of Gnome, it is to create a platform for developers. I don't think most people understand or appreciate the platform and framework they have built. It's a great ecosystem for developing apps.
Love this video!! I love and embrace change so anything hat gets me out of some kind of comfort zone is great. It's how I learn and your video made total sense to me. Thanks!!!
My biggest issue with Gnome 3 is the utterly worthless file manager. I need to install Nemo to be able to work with files, the built-in one is gutted and useless
Thanks for that explanation of the keyboard use in Gnome. I am hoping to move over to Linux full time and am looking for the right distribution. I am finding that Gnome is much better than Windows as it provides more screen for actual use rather than cluttering things up.
If you are using windows 10 you can just enable the use of workpaces. You can use Ctrl+Win+Left or Right to switch between workspaces, or if you have a touchpad with precision drivers, you can just use 4 finger swipe left or right or up.
That is because Gnome doesn’t intend to to what KDE Plasma does, if you want to make Gnome feel like Plasma then that is fine however you shouldn’t expect on DE to behave like another each has their own goals to provide a user experience.
"MeX Linux 190601: link: linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/MeX-Linux-93112.shtml This link shows that I've left a note, referring to this video. > " ... built around the latest stable release of the Cinnamon desktop environment, a clone of GNOME 3." Thank you for the generally useful summary of this Ubuntu-based operating system. Just one historical error. GNOME(3) was the highly desired child of GNOME(2). GNOME(3) development team was so "strange" in their decisions that there were two different FORKS. Each fork (MATE & Cinnamon) are definitely not clones of GNOME(3). The current GNOME continues being hostile & foreign to users of WIMP (windows, icons, a mouse, and pull-down menus). GNOME now cannot have icons on the desktop. Mouse use is difficult, because it is designed for keyboard use. For some RU-vid discussions on GNOME, see the link: "Why GNOME 3 is Awesome! (A defense of GNOME 3)", Published on Sep 4, 2018, by "InfinitelyGalactic" . That video refers to another of his videos, which he seems to have removed now. It was about the deficiencies in the new GNOME.
Well given that this whole design is aiming at providing a "keyboard driven" workflow, why not design the apps as such too? i.e. with all the GTK apps, provide something like VIM-style navigations? If minimize/maximize buttons are gone, why not the exit button? Then we save the space of the entire title bar. It is way less keyboard-driven than a typical tiling window manager. At least please support changing the default WM just like KDE does. The current status is like, for power users, keyboard-driven is not powerful. For mouse users, mouse-driven is broken. But of course, not a big issue with all the plugins available to GNOME (if they don't break themselves with each major version update).
I went from Gnome -> XFCE -> i3 -> bspwm -> KDE -> Gnome. Gnome just has the perfect balance of being able to use keyboard shortcuts for mostly everything but also being able to handle using a GUI program nicely. Plus, it looks fantastic out of the box and it simply just works.
More distributions today use modified Gnome using the traditional concept; the Ubuntu, Solus, Budgie, Zorin, elementary. I don't understand why Gnome team believes UI model is productive. Gnome requires two actions to launch an app; go to hot corner or shortcut key then click on the sidebar which is in the unusual place. Which frequently used shortcuts apps are opened? you can't tell unless you open the Activities. No minimise to temporarily hide applications and Gnome believes is less clutter. Using workspaces is more than less work. Which workspace has what apps opened? just keep cycling through workspaces? When you log out, all the apps are closed, no workspaces are saved. Traditional panel or launcher is still the best, if not, even commercially famous Apple will not use it.
When i first intall Ubuntu on my computer, mi dad started to use more the pc. He always told me to help him with Windows. He was used to Windows XP (be cause he said that was the best os for "just use" users). But with Ubuntu-gnome he was able to do everything. No need to wait for boot, the apps launch very fast, the ram is very stable (i use Android studio with Chrome and It doesn't lag). Want to Download a "movie maker"? just go to the store and download it. Do you want to remove the top panel? Go to chrome, click the gnome icon, search "delete top panel" and install It. It is simple and user friendly
What if your main program is also keyboard driven and the desktop would interfere? download.blender.org/documentation/BlenderHotkeyReference.pdf There should only be a limited number of hotkeys of the desktop that are accepted when they don’t have the focus. Sorry for the „windows“ example: tab works in the program that has the focus (application OR desktop) CTRL-alt-del is listened to by the desktop in any case. If the hotkeys are of the „tab“ sort, fine. The other case would be in fact annoying. The gnome flavors without the big icons in the center are less of a waste of screen estate.
As someone who switched from Windows and used a lot of alt tabbing and windows tabbing for workspaces making my work very keyboard driven, I've found GNOME to be a great first experience based on how I used Windows: Lots of alt tabbing and window snapping etc. After I got comfortable with that I tried out i3 window manager and have been hooked to WMs ever since.
It's made sense. I have used this ..... for a long time back, to be honest. It always tried to lock certain things out, or at least it did way back in the day. I like where you're coming from. The DE though I don't like it as much as say K, but I've gotten use to it on and off over time. I'm not fond of some of the software choices involved always nor complete the way it's done or the restrictive theming etc... However, I do use it on and off. I like that the new one will allows us to make categories in the Smart Phone Menu arrangement. That... will be very nice. Especially from like.. putting all my games together, and then all my office programs together. Though I do the key search at the top quite often myself when I have GNOME up.
I don't think your definition of power user makes much sense when you consider the amount of people who do more than consumption on their Macos or windows yet know nothing about the computer at all. I know a few mac/windows users who know absolutely nothing about their PC yet use them for heavy work on music or video in a couple of programs that installed in 3 clicks. That can't be what a power user is, can it? A power user should at least be interested in the computer itself. So a power user by sheer interest is capable of shaping his tool, the computer, in this case the DE, into what fits her best. That's why I don't think a power user would use Gnome because all of the features you described here are easily possible to reproduce on KDE for instance. So why would one use Gnome when she can use what Gnome offers and more with KDE?
Ive loved Gnome ever since they broight us gnome-shell. Yes it was a mess but what desktop wasn't back then? Well besides XFCE... Gnome is amazing once you take the time to learn the workflow.
I never knew about the dragging and dropping desktop stuff ... kind of wish I had installed this instead of just installing kubuntu for my work computer 🤪. Really and truly ... gnome needs a “gnome welcome on install” to teach you these things ...
What I find great about gnome is how you can find your way around 1000 windows quickly without your keyboard. Throw your mouse into the active corner and everything is there. You can switch desktops really quickly using your scrolling wheel
I'm fairly new to linux, but I checked out that video, and that's essentially how I ended up using it naturally. I feel like it lends itself to that workflow naturally, but that could just be me and my addiction to learning keybinds xD
I love Open SUSE - but no matter which version I choose ---- Sooner or later the updates clobber the boot up ? I guess I should stop dual booting and use a new dedicated drive ........ But, OpenSUSE implodes too often.
If they could only reimplement a sys tray in the dash, it'd be perfect. That's the only annoying thing in my Gnome setup. Extensions are perfectly fine for most other customisations i prefer.
Can never understand those huge headerbars that are eating 20 percent of the screen on gnome 3. Come on guys, how many percent of people are actually using touchscreen monitors to justify the existence of this abomination?
I love Gnome. Thanks to extensions it's massively modular and I find it easy to set up to my personal tastes and style. Granted, I'm probably not a power user by your definitions but I'm certainly not a beginner/casual user either.
1. Opening Eclipse and do some heavy java coding or VS Code and dong some python coding. 2. Create docker images of the applications. 3. Running a deep learning training in the background. Boom, GNOME crashes. Never happens with XFCE. Using MX Linux.
In my opinion the most productive and efficient desktop environment is the one that doesn't expect you to use a mouse, it's much faster to just use keyboard shortcuts than the mouse
While window tiling managers obviously increase the configurability, but all major desktop environments come with keyboard shortcuts for all the basic stuff - like launching applications, switching between open windows, switching between workspaces, move window to workspace (left/right or by number), maximize/restore window, tile window to left/right, so you can get by without the mouse for most use cases in any desktop environment.
@@alexsmart2612 I know it's possible to not use the mouse at all in almost any desktop environment however it won't be as comfortable and easy as it's in windows tiling managers because they were made for it
I've been trying GNOME 3 and I like it, but extensions make it better by providing features that are simply missing from the default, but even so there are some things that are still missing, like a category view in the applications overview and global menu.
I use Gnome. It was initially difficult to get out of classic desktops but now I appreciate its features. It's a faster way to work. You find everything fast right away. All focused on applications. It is fashionable to hate it among historical users still linked to the old concept of desktops but we need to bang our heads a little. Once inside you don't go out.
@Zacman X When I look for a setting or any setting I just have to start typing the first letters and I find on the fly I don't have to go to the menu and submenus every time. I can manage multiple applications and quickly switch between multiple panels and applications in a super intuitive way (training required at the beginning). I then use the foreground window if I have to do anything that requires copy and paste. It fits perfectly on my 4K monitor right out of the box. Any other DE needs several dpi changes. It is very elegant, I don't like the Adwaita theme even if it has improved a lot lately but the material / icons theme paper
@Zacman X I can't explain it well. It takes training and it comes naturally to you. It's all about windows in the foreground and lower level. I can easily keep multiple folders open, drag images to gimp for example and see youtube video. At the moment if I switch to an old style desktop I feel like yawning everything seems to stop, it comes naturally to me to click at the top of the window, I don't know how to explain it well sorry but it takes some habit. When gnome 3 came out I was the first to criticize it harshly, even writing articles saying that it was impossible to work with shell. I loved Gnome and slowly I insisted and got into the mechanism.
I'm a poweruser who uses GNOME Debian, I do lots of gaming and I'm also a digital artist. Initially I was not into GNOME until I actually got hands on with it and tried it for the first time, and I found that its simplicity was so charming and palatable. I may eventually switch to a different desktop environment, but for now I'm happy with GNOME as my DE of choice
why are you using so many KDE applications on GNOME desktop? I always thought that one should keep dependencies count as few as possible. Even if you try to use GNOME Terminal on XFCE, you're losing the lightweight nature of the XFCE. And worse, using all Qt applications on GTK3 environment is certainly not good for the system resources when there's no practical advantage of doing so.
@Barbudo you may use whatever you want to do with your system. But when we talk about efficient and lightweight system, You should use either GTK or Qt based applications as much as possible. KDE system applications come with a lot of dependencies if you try to install them on DE such as GNOME, which makes your system bigger with no added advantage most of the times. Try doing that on some bleeding edge distro such as Arch Linux and you'll know how many updates of the packages you'll receive once you do so. However, If there's something about some program that you need to use then just ahead. Let's say if you use more than few programs of KDE suite (Dolphin, Kwrite, Konsole etc) on GNOME, it's generally not a good practice if you're an experienced linux user. Notice that I've not mentioned programs such as Kdenlive because these programs generally don't come up with newly installed system of KDE and are less dependent on KDE core base and that's why it won't installed a lot of dependencies. Linux gives you the freedom to run any piece of software or even any DE on your machine for sure, but all these Desktop Environments are meant to be used in a certain way otherwise the developers would've not installed those specific program to that DE only. I don't use KDE because I'm accustomed to XFCE/GNOME based applications and don't use a lot of KDE applications. But if you always end up installing KDE applications no matter what DE you use, why not just use KDE ? Hope it helps :)
I'm my experience, I tend to run a light DE simply for the stability, not because it's like weight. Then I run KDE apps on top of that. That way, when KDE inevitably crashes, it doesn't crash my whole desktop.
The GNOME workflow is something that you acquire way faster than you'd ever think and that you'll sorely miss whenever you have to use something different. You don't have to click through tabs any more if you have two instances of your browser running, one to a workspace. No chance of closing tab too many when you search for images on one workspace, the didactic material you're making on another. Plus, having both GIMP and Gedit full-screen for deformatting text and rescaling images... Luxury!
I love gnome. I have had different distros (KDE, cinnamon ), and also mac but gnom with its minimalistic aesthetic seems to fit my workflow best. I am biologist using R and python for analyses. I love how it looks and how it behave.
I like GNOME, but they need to do something about optimization, i can play The Witcher 3 on High settings, Full HD, but when i am on distro that uses GNOME 3, the animations are always laggy. I wasted like 2 days to fix it, changing drivers, optimizing etc. but nothing worked. Today i am using ElementaryOS 5.0 with Pantheon on it, it's ubuntu based so it's using GNOME, but the animations are very smooth, like on windows. I'd like to switch to ubuntu because of GNOME shell extensions, but i cannot stand the animation lag.
I'm a power user n I don't hate gnome :) Maybe the question might be " why people who claim hate windows seek copycated windows looking desktop environments like KDE and cinnamon ..BTW Ubuntu Mate is useless IMO
I love KDE Plasma, in the past I was a Gnome 2 user and i love compiz and aurorra. But after Gnome 3 it's so bad in early versions but so better after 3.7 version. and 3.34 is nice. But i think plasma flexibility is better. i use latte dock and some kwin scripts. I install a script for dynamic desktop like gnome 3. Plasma can do everything Gnome 3 can do. Another reason for using KDE for me is Qt. I love Qt and I think Qt/C++ is a lot faster. Plasma is a lot faster dolphin is a lot better with third-party scripts. I love Plasma because i need customize my Desktop and add a lot of abilities when i need theme. For example in Dolphin i can do everything like export docs to PDF only by one click. P.S: Gnome 3 is so simple and nice and i think it's so better than early versions of gnome 3 and so stable. But writing desktop shell with Java Script in my opinion it's not good idea and i hate JS apps On Desktop. in the end Gnome 3 is so hungry in using memory resources.
Just to note? Gnome is awesome! I've been using it since before it became v3....an I loved it back then. But I prefer v3 over v2! Its clean, stable, completely, stays out of the way, and lets me work consistently regardless of which OS I happen to be running. I started with Fedora and I'm still using it to this day, but I've also used OpenSuSE, Ubuntu, and Pop-OS running Gnome and they're all so fluid and stay streamlined. I guess there are those that will think differently, but for me?...Gnome is perfect! As for the correct way t say it?....well just use the original use-case and you'll never go wrong....no one calls them "news"....when speaking of the animal known as a gnu....right?....so why would Gnome be called "nome"?....it should be pronounced the same way you pronounce the animal "GUH-New"....so "GUH-Nome".....that is of course if you speak the Queen's English!.....LoL!
I have a suggestion on how to create GNOME4. You fork Deepin, fix all the small bugs and add a Global Search. Voila, you have the best desktop out there!
I am sorry, but I honestly don't buy this argument. Like at all. Every desktop environment I have ever used (and I have pretty much used them all) had keyboard shortcuts for opening or switching applications. Seriously, can you name a single desktop environment that doesn't have keyboard shorcuts for anything GNOME has? Then how is GNOME more keyboard-driven than any of them? If anything, Unity was much more keyboard-driven than GNOME because of its killer feature - the HUD, which gave users the option of searching through the menus using the keyboard by just pressing alt. Plus, you could also just press Meta+1, Meta+2 etc to switch through your pinned applications extremely quickly. What GNOME has done has removed lots of functionality and offered absolutely nothing new in return. But that is not the reason I hate GNOME. If that was all, I could just say GNOME sucks, and go on with my life. The problem is, the direction the GNOME team has taken has affected the linux community at large and its harmful effects are felt even people like me who never plan on using GNOME. Example 1: the death of Unity. Example 2: so many GNOME applications have changed their UI to fit the new, ridiculous design principles that is minimalist to the point of being unusable. Almost all of the functionality is hidden behind a stupid hamburger menu. Like why the fuck cant you at least just use normal menus? You can access normal menus using keyboard (Alt+F for file menu, Alt+E for Edit menu etc) while this hamburger menu shit is accessible with nothing but the mouse.
Yes every desktop environment have shortcuts for opening or switching applications. But how Gnome works is way better. Windows Key is super powerfull. The window that appears from the Window button is what is so special about the windows button. You can start apps with it, you can switch apps, switch workspaces all BETTER than other Desktop Environments. In Windows 10 they started to COPY this. You know what? Last Windows 10 Update it looks even MORE like GNOME. :) MICROSOFT IS COPYING GNOME 3. (That MUST say something even you disagree... you are probably wrong because they got some smart people at Microsoft that are smarter that both you and me combined)
@@HermanWillems But it's a fact that you can't access the favorite apps on the launchbar with a key stroke (unless you associate a key with the app like in every DE). But it's built-in in Unity's launchbar: alt+1 for first fav app, etc. I wonder why Gnome, who/wich prides itself in being keyboard oriented did not incorporate this simple tool. You have to install a plugin, a cope out wich I don't use. It should be built-in, I think.
You make some interesting points that they took away keyboard options that were there by default before. I personally haven't noticed those gone because, even though I consider myself to heavily favor the keyboard, if I only need to do an action occasionally, like once every couple hours, I just use the mouse and click. Any more frequently, and I look up the keyboard shortcut, or assign my own, and use it like heck. That is why I believe Gnome 3 suits me well.
@@ex0stasis72 I liked Unity and used the keyboard to access quickly favorite apps which I kept to a minimum. It seems to be an obvious detail they forgot to implement. There is a gnome extension to do it but I don't use extensions. I like the pure gnome 3 experience. I understand any DE has a way to assign keystroke to apps. I thought alt1, 2, 3 was neat.
I think I may give GNOME a shot. I've been using Plasma for over 3 years but I'd like to see what other DEs can offer. Also, I'd like to try out a DE that is better integrated with GTK+ apps. Plasma is surely a nicer-looking DE, in my opinion, but very few apps are written in Qt (fewer than the apps written in GTK+ anyway) so many apps don't feel "native" within Plasma.
One thing that drives me crazy is no icons on the desktop (i want a place to store related files/apps indepdent of where they are on the filesystem) and no way in the nautilus to create a new empty file inside a directory. And the desktop switching is terrible broken logic with multiple monitors which i considerer absolutely necessary for any Power User.
Just look in your video - whenever you are clicking the grid icon to open all the applications, the opening and closing animation itself is lagging and not smooth. That in itself is enough proof about GNOME's resource hogging.
I am grateful my first real Linux experience has been Gnome. I would have gone with kde because it feels familiar coming from Windows but System76 made PopOS and I learned it pretty quickly. I think it's because I was already embracing a leaning mentality. My favorite thing about Gnome is the minimalist feel too it. It feels more like a theater where as KDE feels more like a shopping mall.
Wow directly the first point was what compelled me to switch from KDE. I pressed the "Meta" key, started typing the name of my desired program, saw the reduced menu nand thought "that's exactly what I'm looking for! Also I like just how minimalistic and slick it is.. KDE for my taste is just too ... bubbly? I can't really describe it, it just wants too much room. Same goes for windows of course. I love exactly those design decisions.. I don't need a task bar most of the time. I'd rather have that space for what I'm actually doing. And even choosing another application via meta key feels absolutely natural to me.
have you tried KDE recently. it has an application dashboard that works similar to Gnome, you can type and it will narrow down the list. In KDE you have control to remove the task bar. and dynamically creat workspaces as needed. basically kde amd gnome are converging from the workflow. i love gnome's workflow but i also love KDEs polished look on a hidpi laptop.
It is so heavy DE as Windows 10. So, it is not too heavy. I have 8 GB RAM and Intel i3 5005u with integrated graphics. I had turned off animations and now I have a good DE for my work.
