Why Guilty Gear Strive changed GATLINGS (and how to use them) 

Thanks for talking about gatlings in strive in a video that isn't just 'the gatlings are different and that's bad'

The amount of videos/streams I've seen with Blue Water Blue Sky playing as the BGM is uncountable. It was the whole reason I stayed fishing.

As a new Guilty Gear player I do appreciate how the change in the gatling system gives more purpose to the strings and overall for the type of game Strive is this system works better, however I must say having gone back and testing out the older GG games (they're really cheap right now on Steam) the old gatling just feels better to me. Like it's more satisfying to do P>K>cS>fS>HS than just cS>fS>HS. Still loving Strive but I hope for the next game they find some sort of way to bring back the 4 button gatlings from older titles while also keeping the purpose each gatling has from Strive (if that's even possible).

Leo is one of the exceptions to the new gatling structure, when he‘s in his back stance. I guess a lot of new players are not aware of that.

Ah, the minute you explained how gatlings worked in Xrd I understood why Arksys chose to change them. Personally feel like "learn when to use your buttons" is a lot more useful as a newer player than "learn these very specific gatling routes" as a long-term skill to pick up.

Leo kept all the gatlings for himself in this game.

6:07 I think it benefits begginers and intermediate players by putting more focus on combo purpose rather than rote memorization of a pseudo-auto-combo. The game is showing some of the most fun things about the genre more up-front than the previous games.

I know this wasn’t the topic of video. But you bringing up the 5K not being able to delay into 2K actually helped me I thought I was goin crazy turns out it’s just not a thing. Great video!

Honestly, I feel like I used more buttons in previous GGs compared to Strive. I hardly ever hit P as Millia these days and I hardly think to use 6P to antiair since it feels better to just beat them in the air instead.

One consequence of the new system is shorter combos; i.e. 2K > 2D would probably be like 2P > 5P > 5K > 2K > 2D, which is not only harder to memorise for someone new but also harder to input consistently. I do expect P > K and K > S to return in Strive's first "expansion" whenever that is.

I appreciate you taking these segments from stream and popping them on RU-vid. Especially as someone struggling w/ Millia and understanding things little by little.

I think ArkSys said that they thought gatling from a low risk low damage jab into the rest of the gatling for a bigger reward "didn't make sense" to them. They designed it so that you have to commit to slower and negative frame moves to earn you bigger damage combos as the reward.

I actually think the gatlings changes does benefit new players because defending is easier.

Interesting video, I was thinking that a reason for the change was to reduce access to hard knockdowns from mash buttons and give better differentiation between hits, so that hitting c.S doesn't lead to the same situation as hitting 5P

I think the more important reason they changed gatlings is for the effect it has on neutral and hitconfirms. You can't get a full combo off of a 5P and that's a pretty big deal.

Thanks for the video , glad to know most of the moves uses hopefully my nuetral will improve with this knowledge

This video was super useful and i learned a lot outside of just the mechanics on gatlings

ive been looking for an explanation on this, thank you so much

Thanks, I'm a returning player and it helped me a little bit to understand how gatlings work in Strive. So in essence - fever attacks chain together and chains are shorter.

Thank you for the lesson!

As someone who mostly plays in the labs it's fun to have videos like yours and Sajem to really talk about a subject with great depth! It makes creating newer crazier combos all the more fun!

Very informative. Subscribed.

im sorry bro i still like the older gattings, having more freedom of cancels for offensive pressure is nice regarudless some are useless or not rather then being restricted to a set path.

Bruhh I needed this

Adding my POV in relation to the take that the new system is bad for new players, I only started getting into fighting games with strive, but with the rundown on Gatling systems in the other games they put me off really bad. In strive it feels like I know most of my options, and I just have to think/practice on its use. Compared to (possibly ignorant understanding of the Gatling system in the other GG games) where you have to memorize a chart for moves and then just follow pro strats for specific chains you'll use 90% of the time. I could have a poor take due to not having my hands on the system, but that's my 2 cents

We just have KOF normals now. Normal ->command normal is pretty standard for SNK types. Lights chained into command normal or close heavy button into command normal.

Thanks for all of these videos. I'm new to this game and haven't touched fighting games for a while (never spent much time on anime fighting games either). These videos are especially nice since I want to main Millia :D

This was really hard for me to get used to coming from dragon ball and i really thought 5P, 2P felt useless i had to remove that button to train myself to use K more. But these Gatling system is starting to make sense to me now

Great vid!!! It seems the gatlings in Strive seem exactly like the ones found in Battle Fantasia, not necessarily in terms of routes, but rather their purpose/application.

Yeah, as dbfz player that felt really weird at first. I don’t know if this makes sense but the game had a pretty flexible hierarchy of button order, you could use any combination that respected this order at first this limitation in this game made me feel shackled

I'm very impressed with Strive's depth, it's much more than i thougth it was gonna be before it launched. And EVERY character feels VERY unique, somehow even more than before... I think the reduced speed of the game is what has allowed for the characters to shine so much and there's a lot of player expression too

Thank you for posting this. The way i've been thinking of it since the gattling system was displayed was "huh. so there's less routes, but it's like ALL combo routes are optimal now. It's like they cut the fat so that Every option for strive is the Best option available for Something. I think it pushes people to focus on decision-making and interacting with the other player. In Xrd you could make the correct decision, but then your Execution is tested and if you fail you drop the combo and don't get rewarded despite making a good choice. I think strive's combos being shorter Primarily just give players less opportunities to screw up their execution, putting emphasis on the choices you make since it's less likely you'll drop a super demanding combo and lose a reward you earned because you didn't grind in training mode long enough.

I learn almost nothing from watching LK's Strive videos, but I love watching how he teaches the new players. Literally just here to support the algorithm. Keep it up👍🏿

Thank you my guy, my blockstrings have been 5p>5p>try to cS>get hit because it doesn’t work. It’s gonna take a while to write over that muscle memory from xrd

I think that they changed the gatlings to make the game more different from xrd and to not let veteran players do similar strings or combos from older games (because they wanted to make everyone at the same level)

While I liked the relative freedom of the old gatlings, I tended to go through them a bit too quickly to avoid missing the cancel window. There were also so many weird routes and exceptions to the rules as well, so that didn't help. And neither did the pushback from pressing buttons more often. The new gatlings make me feel like I have more control over my frametraps, pressure resets and mixups without explicitly relying on auto-timed cancels because of how long I can delay them. It also didn't take as long to get comfortable with how those options fit together.

Been dying to play this game! Been watching so many vids on it.

Hey LK, could u please make a video on how to deal with YRC?

I never played previous gg games before strive but i must say ggs felt weird compared to sfv and fighterz but after awhile i felt better. At first i questioned why changed the regular gatling bc i was so used to other games but im loving strive the more i play it. It feels like the game that was ment for me

I just don't feel comfortable pressing lights as millia because i'm worried that ill whiff it or not be able to get an advantageous situation with it.

The one thing i see becoming an issue is when you are on the mid floors like 5-7 and to an extent sometimes even 8+, since there are consistant things people tend to just not know how to deal with like meaties, the game feels very flow chart heavy. So far I feel like it makes the game easy to get into but to cross the bridge into the upper skill level becomes a very wide margin where you just gotta deal with a fuck ton of repetetive matches where everyone falls for the same shit all the time and theres basically no interesting combos or mixups going on.

It's interesting that you think it doesn't benefit new players. I always had trouble breaking out of using the gatling series in Xrd, where in Strive I had no choice but to learn what each moves range/frames/usage was.

Hey, it's Lord Knight

Leo has a unique option in Strive: He can chain 5HS into fS. If it wouldn't be for pushback he could do fS > 5HS > fS > 5HS... infinitely.

The sweep on Millia's kkk2d misses pretty often in my experience. Isn't it more reliable to go for one or two 5k into 2d instead or is it purely a matter of getting used to right spacing/timing? What's the point of delaying those kicks?

I mean if that was there reasoning they could have left the p,k,s,hs,d alone and just made it so any command normal is the end of the string while also having the push back they do in this game. they come off more convoluted by trying to separate them in basically 3 sections.

Everyone is rocking to Blue Water Blue sky but I've somehow pulled every other song

Let us chain p into close slash or kick and that would make it way better imo

The Ann PS4 Theme deserves an extra like

To be honest as someone that is not great at this games who just played the gg xrd 2 times with firends and 2 weeks before strive this change is the worst, I just feel so limited and I developed the habit of not using P and just a few K's cause I just feel I don't get nothing from them.

If anything, the only complaint I have with gatlings are in the air, cause unless you have air special moves, you don’t get much off anti-air j.ps

Sol Smartguy

11:40 Anji in +R could delay cancel all his gatlings and specials.

I forget where I heard it and it may be total nonsense but I saw somewhere that they made the change to deliberately shorten combos (which is why they boosted the base damage to compensate). The reasoning being that new players would get frustrated if they had to sit there and watch their character getting beaten like a rag doll for 50 consecutive hits so by keeping the combos shorter, newcomers don't feel quite so "locked out" of doing the fun part of fighting games (pushing buttons).

Someone made a Mod and brought back Classic Gattlings back and honestly, it looks much better and feels (mostly looks) right

Only thing I disagree with that I've seen many ppl say is saying that the new gatling system is not good for new players. I dipped my toes into xrd and find this system WAY easier.

0:54 why do you have DOA Xtreme under Fighting Games💀

Judging by the thumbnail, LK watched the story?

LK with the real talks, as always. Lowkey thinking of playing Millia, (maining Ram atm lol)

I still am not a fan of them. may for example lost 5k->f.S which was a natural frame trap/combo and gave time to charge dolphins. I'm not against them cutting the excess, but natural chains that you used to use getting cut has me a little upset. just a little

I remember in Xrd I had a situation where in that game I started to prefer this Gatling was way back when I picked up Ky. I was experimenting with him, and and I saw far slash right. So much range, super good poke. Well okay, I hit it so it must go into 5H right? It's a Gatling so it must. Except it doesn't. Okay well what does it go into? 2S is too short...2D is too short, 6K is too slow....what do I do? Oh...3H. but it doesn't combo normally. And it can whiff. And it had to be counter hit. I know at least in this game, that for every character f.S is gonna combo into H consistently.

people be hating on the new gatlings but personally i adore them. it makes you think a lot more about whats gonna work in a combo and makes a lot of cool looking ones

I'll say first that I don't mind the new gatling system. If what you're saying is correct and they changed the gatlings because it's more "optimal" in blockstrings; that feels super bad. I didn't do my blockstrings in Rev 2 because they were optimal, I just enjoyed having the freedom and pressing whatever I want. Sure I didn't know how to beat certain options the opponent did, but I still had fun playing. The game devs min maxing for us is kind of meh, I just want to have fun pressing my stupid Elphelt buttons and pressuring with 2P>2P>2P>5K>5S. I think my only real problem with the new gatlings is that I love lights and you get nothing from 5/2P in this game unless you're in the corner.

Gatlings? Never heard of em. 5P, 5P, 2P, walk up Pot Buster.

And that's the problem strive presented. Xrd and other GGs let the players choose and make their own strings to use in different occasions. Strive took that away from players.

I thought you could 2p5p6k. I play gio and she can do 2p5p6h. Won't that give you a knockdown?

as a new player to gg i prefer the new system as its a bit more limited and therefore theres less shit i have to learn for my character as well as all of my opposing characters. Coming from playing tekken 7 casually its a breath of fresh air as that games sheer volume of moves was enough to prevent me from committing any serious amount of time to it.

Shit, I didn't even realize how much better Millia looks in Strive till you switched to Xrd lol

People talking about gatlings just sitting over here with Kums c.s c.s

I because spoiled by magic series gatlings 😩 especially BlazBlue's

I don't really know how gatlings are different to the LMH combos in Street Fighter. Of course characters are gonna play different to eachother, especially in Guilty Gear, but extremely simple combos just seem like a weird thing to complain about. Just make more complex combos if basic stuff ain't working.

Honestly, I have no idea what he’s talking about in this video since I’m just getting into GG and fighting games as a whole

Wait what's a fuzzy jump?

DOAX3 under "fighting games" i c u LK

Solid video. My tldr understanding for the change is people were getting rewarded too easily on mashable light attacks. That's not fun. Fighting games should feel like chess. Deliberate moves with very specific rewards and strive DOES do that. There's room for improvement but fighterz got great updates and I'll expect no less from strive.

nago has 2p2d :v

You can read Japanese? Pretty cool

Homie the thumbnail is a spoiler for the story in Strive

i thought this video would be more higher level overview about gatlings for newer people, but this got so confusing and specific

only been 2 weeks not 3 hahahah

ahhh

and they did do us a solid btw ,they did do smth big for us , its smth that doesnt exist in guilty gear , and that iiiiiiiis SOL MASHING 5K

DBFZ pls

Yes, I can tell you 100%: it does not benefit new or more casual players. According to your theory, this was done to cater to a high skill level game, which is how I've been feeling tbh. I've played tons of Xrd, and none of what you brought up in the beginning was ever relevant to me, and the game there still feels easier and more approachable than Strive. It unfortunately also makes the game a lot more repetitive. There really is just one game plan for the most part, and if you follow higher level players and watch their replays, they're basically doing 1 or 2 different combos, and that's it. It's a shame. Game's still challenging and fun, though, but..

Is there a reason why your game is in Japanese?

What is this nonsense? They already explained why they removed so many gatlings and also if the reason were to be the one you mention then there shouldn't be any need to remove them since new players would simply do the chore of PKSHD and better players would realize what was better just like it happened in Xrd...

If Sol had his old gatlings, he would be bitched about even more than he already is. Lmao

I dont understand much of this video, but as a new GG player looking at the older games, strive looks way better. Seems like they just took out all the filer options, which is not worth using anyways.

man do i hate the new gatlings, what's more new player intuitive than "press buttons to have combo"

I just uninstalled. I like old guilty Gatling better

In my honest opinion I think this is the worst change that they made

0:54 why do you have DOA Xtreme under Fighting Games💀