This is one of the first questions i think so many of us ask, but then ignore. Let’s revisit. Also, I simply do not care to argue the LOTR example, lol. I am fine with being proved incorrect on that, it was a quick thought to kick the video off. Note to self, do not get into the LOTR apologetics game.
I like your use of analogies. They are very effective. Gotta go now and think up some horrific situation to expose my kids to so they can learn...something. They are very good people, but who knows what they may do in the future?
It’s like asking why Batman hasn’t destroyed the joker. The answer is that neither Batman nor the joker actually exist. They are characters that live only in our imaginations.
Which is a great illustration for why Batman having a no kill rule is actually a moral failing on his part and why Batman not only fails to make Gotham a better place, he's actively making it worse.
Like if you read that Bible again it said that God was the one who's lying about the fruit he was the one who said that the fruit will kill you if you eat it the only thing you can do is just told them the simple truth doesn't it make you think that Satan is in the right and God is in the wrong for lying and I would recommend looking at it from a logical standpoint not an emotional one and Satan doesn't even kill a lot of people compared to God God is catching way more bodies when things never goes his ways or him being too angry with his creations to even solve the problem that doesn't involve killing them
Well Tom is actually friends with Jerry unlike God with Satan. God (or atleast Christianity version) doesn't kill him yet so "He" can get all the glory "He" deserves?It's weird and yucky like you're powerful enough to make billions of things stronger then yourself then be able to destory them because that's how powerful you are,have the ability to probably go faster then the speed of anything,have the key to all multiverses and alternate time lines and alternate timeline multiverses,have access to all the dimensions,have access to all the realms,have the ability to make whatever and yet you take your time to kill your greatest "enemy" because you want the praise of your art,pet,or children?Like what????
Hmm, god's "ego". What cartoon "loving" god could be "respected" after how it treated Job's *first* wife and kids in that story...considering that Job's "happily ever after" is a new wife and kids !! Like is there a heaven in this part of the story where the family victims get a consolation ?? What a waste of time talking about this sh@t, yet p-ass-tors can make bucks screaching er preaching about this and writing books !!
Satan had influence over god but god did the actual damage. So Satan got the blame. Here we have a case of the son paying for what the father did. Everything about Job is hypothetical in my opinion. I am not sure exactly what point it proves since there are so many contradictions.
@@hellboundTX333 They actually did a movie remake in the ‘80s called “Trading Places,” which I actually prefer if only because it doesn’t mention boils and has much funnier jokes.
it's like writing a code then getting mad at the code for what it produces then going around and trying to change everything BUT the code to prove that you the coder are "right" lmao wtf is this sentence
That man was him literally. Trinity means 1 God in 3 persons. Also, the price of sin is death, he never said the sinner's death, so he died for our sins. That's the Christian lore for you.
@@manishdyall4779not all Christians believe in the trinity, and Jews and Muslims also don’t believe in the trinity either… all Abrahamic religions. This goes to the point of “I have never known you” being said to unsuspecting believers at the gates of heaven. You don’t really know if your belief is the true one at all. So instead of judging others try introspection because people hear and just sharing their interpretation and are not definitive but expressing their search for a satisfactory answer.
Putting someone you love through constant testing is proof of the highest level of insecurity. In fact this is what narcissists do all the time. Great job Brandon!
It was created to condition humanity to be passive towards narcissism and authority in the form of psychopaths, sociopaths, etc. Every aspect of the bible is based in narcissism. That's why political entities love it. The divine right of kings is now the divine right of politicians. Every leader in every country is one or more of the above and the belief in authority was constructed through religion to construct this hierarchy.
@@stevewebber707it would be weird and wrong even for a human let alone god to constantly test someone. Imagine if your partner tested your fidelity by setting you up with other people. It's sick.
You have a massive error in your comment because narcissists can't love. They can't connect to people as healthy people can do, they can't create any bond through oxytocin because their oxytocin hormone levels are literally zero. Also, their inner psychology and perception of others is deeply fu3ked up.
Humans get blamed for every sin right down to the tiniest infraction, but the devil and his minions get a pass, and get to be in charge of this world. Anyone else think something's not adding up..
I think we were made by God to show the Angels what would happen if you rebel against him. That's what is sounding to me. But that if you seek forgiveness, he would forgive. Either he's telling Satan to ask for forgiveness or Satan knows he's beyond redemption and must continuously for eternity suffer. Which means, creation will keep on repeating itself.
@@stevesheppardmusic I mean, omnipotence is a thing bro He if did exist, which he probably don't, then he would easily be able to create something as humanity and a planet But that shit is all over the place and the timeline makes absolute no sense
Jesus called Satan the father of the Jews in one of the four myths the Christians kept together… of course he is saying Satan is their reverse-adoptive father since they love accusing people, but still does Yahweh adopt the Jews and then the pagans?
Evil is product of free will, so the only way to prevent it is to avoid creation of beings with free will. Let's make some thought experiment. If God is evil and you are creation of evil then aren't you evil as well? But let's assume you're good and you're capable to recognize good. Why evil God would create good beings and wouldn't it contradit its evil nature to create good beings? In the same way as you're trying to frame idea that existence of evil implies evil God, you can argue about opposite - if you consider yourself good and capable to recognize and morally judge reality then that would mean God created good in form of your own person which would be contradictory with supposed evil nature.
My dad once said, “I am not a perfect man, but I can go to sleep knowing I haven’t done anything wrong or hurt anyone, and that I try to help others the best I can. How can I go to Hell when there are people who do nothing but evil, and yet I’m on their level because I don’t worship a god?” And that’s when I realized something, if God is real, he is not all loving. He’s just a narcissist.
Interesting point! Maybe this can be a new "thought experiment" - can god make a plot hole so big that his apologist minions can't excuse it away with a straight face? 🤔
Why exactly does god need to build character at all? What will we need this character for in heaven? What trials and tribulations will we encounter in heaven that will necessitate a character like this? Oh wait, NONE WHATSOEVER. Hmm...
I would have just made an obstacle course and everybody would have to run it under a certain time to get to heaven. You might get some sore muscles or bumps and bruises, but that's it.
@@tan_x_dx Good point! According to the Bible, the residents of heaven AKA "believers" will be doing ONE THING and one thing only - praising God. Yep, praising God 24/7 for all eternity. Have the angels and any other supernatural beings have been doing this too since the beginning of time? If so, I'm not condoning Satan staging a revolt and getting himself & his buddies kicked out of heaven - but I can UNDERSTAND why he did it. 😏 Just saying!
If God were a human he would be locked up in an institution for the criminally insane. Yet, because he is God, billions of people defend his actions. It's insane and terrifying.
HE A GENOCIDER OF BABIES, PREGNANT OWMAN, ANIAMLS. PEDO, WOMAN ATATCKER SLAVERER CHILD EATER tchristebndumb2 can show this book too. he has like 200 videos, then play his 1000s of videos on that the people wrote this EVIL BOOK, WROTE THISI EVIL BOOK
The law supposes that all people are equal to it, so you and me, we both have the same right to exist. You cannot kill me and I cannot kill you unless one of us tried to break this law beforehand (self defense). God implies that people are different. There are the elected and the rest. The first are created to be saved and God loves them. The latter doesn't matter and if anything don't happen before, are going to be thrown onto a lake of fire. The can be saved by the Grace of God, but they are worthless because they are not elected. So no, it's only a matter of different assumptions. To God, the people that He "mistreated" are nothing more than a mosquito or a rat is to the law.
I've used a similar analogy with relationships...If you continue to call/text your wife (that you never met and were married to in an informal raising of your hand ceremony) and she never called/texted back, just left instructions to seek her within the pages of a book, you might have the feeling that she's not really there at all. The church catfishes people.
It's even worse than that. Those instructions were given to you by someone else claiming that your "wife" left them. However, you have no way to verify this and are asked to just "have faith" that she left this and is waiting for you to find her, despite her being fully capable of finding you wherever you are at any given moment.
Satan, is the scorpion (Heat/Male/Fertility). He leads the winter signs in Rev. 9.5. Satan is the constellation Scorpio, throughout the buybull. One of his many names is, Beelzebub (lord of the flies). "They called Jesus, BEELZEBUB.
It's actually quite simple. Christianity needs the devil. If there is no devil then there is no sin. If there is no sin there is no need for a savior. If there is no need for a savior there is no need for God. Christianity falls apart if there is no devil
@@warriorofthelord4142Empty words with no meaning. Then why not create a fully cruel world? As bad as it gets. So bad that a single slice of cheese seems like a miracle because of how good it is.
I remember when I was little I asked my very Catholic grandfather if God loved the devil. He said "No, of course not!" I was puzzled and said I thought God loved everyone. He responded, "Yes, He does but not the devil!" Another time I was puzzled was when my very Catholic grandmother tried to explain to me and my brother the concept of free will. She showed us a picture of a boy bullying another boy and I asked her why God did not stop it. She said that the bully had free will and could do whatever he wanted. I found this confusing because if he did that, at the end of his life God would toss him in hell to be punished which did not sound all that free to me.
I'm not religious, but you're misunderstand Christian free will. You have "free will" to not pay taxes. The government can throw you in prison for it. Free will doesn't mean that everything you do leads to something good. Only that it's your choice to do good or evil.
As a first born child with a beautiful first of the litter, dachshund, I was freaked out by god killing the first born Egyptian children and animals (and maybe forgetful Jews who didn't put blood on their doors). Like, god hardened Pharaoh's heart, then drowned the army...couldn't god just have killed the Egyptian army instead ?? I thought that either this god people believed in was an idiot as a tactician at best and a monster at worst or this was just a badly written story like the whole North Pole and gifts thing.
@@ChainsawChristmas "I'm not religious, but you're misunderstand Christian free will. You have "free will" to not pay taxes. The government can throw you in prison for it. Free will doesn't mean that everything you do leads to something good. Only that it's your choice to do good or evil." But the point is valid in that God isn't like the government. It just needs to be expressed differently to make the point. The government would not 'let' you NOT pay your taxes if they knew you were doing it and were all powerful/all knowing and had access people's money like God is able to access the tools with which you abuse others. The only reason the govt aren't stopping everyone is they don't have infinite resources and all knowledge. If they did, they would automatically ensure all that you owed in taxes comes out of your income...magically finding its way into the treasury coffers. No one would ever need to fill out forms or write checks/transfer money if the govt was like God. Having free will has nothing to do with us being allowed/capable to abuse others...abuse ALWAYS makes use of some implement/physical entity or process. Disabling that implement or process would not in any way infringe on someone's free will.
@@ChainsawChristmas Doesn't much of the story of the Bible hinge on the 'government' hiding itself, from the moment Eve made one predictable, inevitable misjudgement, however? And then Satan somehow, 'controls' the world? Making him as much 'the government' as anyone else? Also, what's good for, homosexual people... again? Many barely got, permission to... stay alive. In the past. And certainly, within Hebrew culture.
God destroying Satan would be hypocritical of him indeed since God created Satan and needs Satan to be the fall guy for all the evil things that he does. Satan is the perfect scapegoat.
The "God's Sovereignty" part makes me think about how much Christians lack respect when an Atheist/Agnostic says: "I don't know what made us. Some things can't be known." They'll say "Oh, you don't know what made us? How can you say it isn't God then?" But at the same time, they find comfort in saying "I don't know why God allowed these bad things to happen. Some things can't be known. But you should still respect my answer."
"Demand more from your god " -- EXACTLY. MY "god" needs to be my better, not a grotesque narcissistic monster. Life would be a classroom, not a courtroom.
Make up your own god! I mean why not - every god is made up by humans anyway. You certainly couldn't do any worse than the Abrahamic god, so go for it! 👍
I've been raised in a family of Jehovah's Witnesses, and you wouldn't believe what their answer is... As soon as I've developed even an elementary level thinking skills I began seeing such immense problems with their answers that I couldn't believe this anymore. Their main answer is: "If god, Jehovah, would have destroyed or stopped Satan, then the angels in heaven and people on Earth might have gotten suspicious of God, or started to doubt his qualities and position as truly the best possible ruler, in other words, maybe Satan had a chance to be better than god himself. Another variation is when they say that in the garden of eden Satan made an accusation against god (in front of the other angels and people) and tried to challenge his position as the ruler, by otherwise childishly saying "I would be better than you"... And so god, wanting to prove his point, that his is the best ruler possible, allowed Satan to become "the god of this world" to somehow prove to everyone that this particular angel is definitely worse than god, by putting the whole planet in a state of constant, excruciating suffering for every single being which has a nervous system, and, as an additional bonus, also corrupting the planet and the entire universe." This is already such a bogus idea that my mind just blows up, but this "answer" still isn't finished: "By the end of Satan's !first! rule he would be imprisoned and there would be Armageddon on Earth, a period of god's judgment, where he would kill every single person who wasn't doing what he wanted and specifically wasn't a Jehovah's Witness, after this global genocide #2, most people will live happily for a thousand years on the paradise Earth, after which Satan would be released for the final time, his second rule. why? You might ask, what the hell??? The answer is easy: to somehow finish the filtering process of people, who will definitely somehow become evil again and then god will destroy Satan, his demons and those people... And after all of this BS of a plan, specifically JWs promise that everything will be perfect from that point on, no more people or angels who would ever disobey god or challenge or doubt his character or qualities, because we would all have perfect memory of and experience with Satan's "system of things" ... Unfortunately, people are still being brainwashed by this and similar to it nonsense. And, fortunately, we have such honest, kind, determinant and passionate rational thinkers and activists like you, whose help is very precious and more often than not, even life changing and saving to many, thank you!
I mean he doesn't even have to kill Satan, he could just exile him, strip him of his divine powers, or make it impossible to interact with physical reality. It's always weird to me how people make their all powerful god so impotent.
I read stories like yours and think, wow I was so fortunate. I was taught all the horror and contradictions in the bible the first time I was in and, kicked out of sunday school just for saying God was evil for what he did to Lot. I was then taught astrotheology as a teenager. I don't think I could have ever seen any issue at all if I'd had an upbringing like yours.
So they're saying their god is incapable of just creating a paradise with no evil outright? Why should one then believe this ridiculous contraption of a plan would do that?
@@whatwecalllife7034 ive always wondered why satan is so stupid. i would have spent the last 6000 years trying to get back on the good side of the guy that kicked me out of timeless, spacelessness, just outside the universe. bad move fucking with that guy. he did get his own planet though. I would also keep my mouth shut when the exorcist comes to get me.
@@Llortnerof Of course now, we all try to think more critically, logically and rationally about everything, and so we, ex-religious people, considered and thought-through a lot of possible and logical ways of dealing with this specific "problem" and others from the standpoint of god, which helps us understand that this is just a primitive, man-made, stupid story with not just a few holes in its logic or reasoning but which is made out of holes entirely, one big hole. Unfortunately, since such cults as JWs demand informational isolation (creating an airtight echo chamber), from the evil outside of the organization and its teachings, absolutely all critical thought, outside information, opinions of those who left, apostates, deviance in thinking is prohibited outright with a constant reminder of retaliation from the organization, such as shunning, when you do something wrong, according to them, and isn't repentant the way they want, your entire family, all the people whom you know, who are JWs, which often are the only people you have any connections with at this point, have to stop associating with you, or, as they say, consider you as though you were dead... If they break the rule, the same fate will be for them as well, and eventually if you won't surrender yourself, your mind and everything in your life for them, you'll be killed with all the others who aren't "proper JWs". I will never forget, when I was a young teenager and my mom, when I began questioning some of the nonsensical teachings and doubt whether I wanted to continue participating in something which makes no sense to me and is clearly stupid, she said, threatening me, that if I wouldn't do what is needed of me in the organization, after Armageddon I will become manure in the streets like others, while they will be happily saved... This is an example of the pinnacle of what religion can do to people...
What I find so strange is that lucifer was able to sin in heaven< God created this angel with the ability to rebel, So God must have wanted this cause he allowed it! Imagine if Hitler mum had seen the future of what her son would do, you think she still would have had him?
She probably would have had him, but then tried to raise him differently so he didn't grow up to be a monster. Which is kind of the point. If God is omniscient and omnipotent, he had the power to change what Satan would become, knew how to do it, and literally could not fall to do so if he desired it. So if Satan and God are real, and have the properties Christians claim they do, then by logical necessity God chose for Satan to do what he did by virtue of not preventing it in the first place.
there was no lucifer , if you translate lucfier it will be a morning star which was used to describe king of Babylon actully Satan was a watcher not fallen angel there were half humans and half gaints and their offsprings were known as Nephalims
If god can see the future then the future can't be changed. If it can be changed then it's not the future but merely one of many possible outcomes. There is no way I would bring a child into the world knowing it was going to be Hitler. Maybe adopt a puppy instead. But god doesn't care as much I guess. @@chameleonx9253
@@MindShift-BrandonI like the sentiment, but it could be twisted by believers who say we shouldn’t demand anything. Perhaps “Expect Better From Your God”
Atleast to me atheism is even more horror. All the pain of reality because of a coincidence. Atleast with God you get the will power to cope and attain eternal life without the pain.
@@VVooshbait it’s important to know why you feel this way. Christians are led to believe in the idea of objective purpose, that being the principle that the only meaning in life is a god given one. In reality however, atheists are not without purpose because they hold a subjective purpose with what they like, their loved ones and even their community. We don’t need the promise of eternal life because we find value elsewhere with the ones we choose for to be with
@@VVooshbait Although I think the potentiality of an empty abyss waiting for us (as commonly accepted or proposed by atheists) may seem dismal, it is not as cold or impersonal as you may think. I am of the belief that we will return to the state that we were before being born, nothing. And because I’ve had to reason with that existential dilemma, I feel better equipped and more at peace with my eventual death. Although I still get existential anxiety, I feel that I greatly benefited from the “existential punch on the chin”. Given the evidence I’ve been presented, I cannot believe in the Abrahamic God. Not can I force myself to believe, let alone for the sole purpose of coping with my own death- that’s no longer belief. Not to mention, eternity sounds terrible. Perhaps it’s just me, but my “soul” is far more equipped for the peace of nonexistence than it is for an eternity of mindless subservience to God. If heaven is perfect, and everyone in it perfect as well, then I am no longer me. I am the culmination of my imperfections and missteps just as much as the things I have right, so if I am made perfect and inerrant, I’m no longer me. If heaven is perfect, and without mourning, I would not be able to mourn an eternity without my brother, nor would I be able to enjoy it. Therefore, if in heaven there is no suffering or mourning, and I cannot mourn the loss of my brother, then I’m no longer me. You see what I’m getting at? Not to mention, as my original comment implied, I cannot fathom an eternity with a God who is petty and vengeful, an egotistical genocider, whose foundation for salvation is irrational and transactional. I am not weak minded enough to believe in such a limited God. Finally, if your primary motivation for belief is to cope with this reality, and give into our most primal urge by convincing yourself you can avoid our ultimate death, then do you truly believe? Belief shouldn’t be founded on attaining eternal life, you are lukewarm and will be spat from the mouth of God if so.
@@KAT-dg6el Your translation is way off. When a christian passive-aggressively threatens you with "I'll pray for you", what they're actually saying is this: "I'm too lazy to do what I know I should and save you, so I look forward to watching you suffer from Heaven."
If God's all knowing, we can't have true freewill, because he already knows which choices we will make, which gives us no choices but the ones already known to God.
Exactly. If future can be known then determinism is true. And if determinism is true there is no free will. Bet the tribal men of iron age never bothered with logic.
@@Toviyah1305Yes, you are choosing to write this comment. But God knows you would choose to write this comment. If God didn’t want you to write this comment for whatever reason, he could alter the future using his magic. You weren’t not given the choice to write this comment, but you would’ve done it anyway because that’s in your nature.
@@HungryWarden😂okay, that's just cope to shoehorn your idea that all-knowing equals determinism. You know you had to bring in an extra ability (reality altering) to make that possible. Remove that ability and you'd understand knowing what will happen is not the same as manipulating the outcome.
Brandon you should totally do a video series about the origins and the mythology surrounding satan! I think that would help many people overcome their fear once they realise how Man-made that figure is!
Brandon could give his take. There’s already quite a few videos on RU-vid (even by scholars) on the actual historical origins of Satan. “Religion for breakfast” has one but there’s others.
Bart Ehrman does a great job. But Brandon's exposition would be great too !! (and Brandon has a much better cadence in his presentations !! Let's encourage such a series !!)
@@elliottpaine9259You can start by looking up what "ha-satan" means in Hebrew and every where it's mentioned in the OT. Iirc, Yahweh himself became "a" satan towards King David when the latter did a census he wasn't supposed to do. Later writers retconned that story to say that "the" Satan made David to the census.
@@kappasphere Not sure if anyone has ever really noticed, but superheroes can be driven by their own psychopathy. Just because it gains a result that is socially acceptable/desirable... Celebration of vigilance "Justice". Choose your Warlord.
@@ChixieMary Having villains based on the self-perceived hero archetype is actually a pretty common trope in comics, and there's also a lot of stories about alternate universes where the heroes are evil in some way, sometimes even in ways that can't be objectively distinguished from what the heroes are in the original stories. So yeah, people have already noticed, but it's a point that many people are interested in
@@harveywabbit9541 So you believe that an entire country is bad because of a disagreement that happened over two hundred decades ago? Sometimes I wonder how christianity ever expanded beyond israel
christendumb2 can show you that. he has 2 shows, one exposes EVIL YWH, and exposes who wrote this EVIL BOOK. and how they used their power, money to make this PSY OP
I assumed they didn’t “use the eagles” is because the eagles likely didn’t want to go. They wouldn’t have stood a chance against dragon riding Nazgûl and only went into Mordor because the threat was gone.
Teaching children about the devil and hell is so damaging. I had an intense fear of both, I have memories of being 4 and experiencing terrible fear of the satan entity. I’m so incredibly thankful to you and others who help us shed the old programming and find true freedom and using our critical thinking skills. It’s been like waking up and finally living. Free ❤
Eagles were also too obvious. They would have been shot down or killed very easily. The idea was to move the ring in secret. But not all plans work out and our crew get caught up. But it's why they could fly freely back after because Mt Doom had fallen.
When I was a kid, I'm not sure how old I was, but I was fairly young, I asked the question "If God loves everyone, then why is there a Hell?" No one was able to answer that question to my satisfaction, so I gave up on the thought of being a Christian.
Brandon has such a unique takes on biblical issues than most of the Atheists I know … that’s why I click and watch whenever he uploads 😊thank you for what you do Bro 👊🏿👊🏿
Dear Brandon, you say soo many important things here - (I would like to comment on almost every sentence you say 😅) I spent 30 years being a Christian, and 10 years in a Christian High Control Group... Their excuse for Satan still be around deceiving people was always, that God is so patient! They said, every nation is drunk from the wine of adultery (Rev) and has fallen from God and became spiritual Babylon. Now, God wants to establish the 144,000 Kings and Priests and God wants to call out all the good believers out of this spiritual Babylon to save them. And they say, it is only because of God's patience and mercy, because he doesn't want to leave one good believer in Babylon, but wants to call them all out to be saved. 🫣🤦 I believed this once... You clearly show how wrong this stupid concept actually is. Thank you so much! The question of this video was a question I had for yeeeears. And your video was very interesting and informative to watch!
Always a thought that boggled the mind: God is supposedly omniscient, meaning he would know that giving Satan free will would lead to him trying to overthrow him, yet does it anyway and then acts surprised he was betrayed? Just I am always annoyed by the "God gave blah, blah,blah free will because he didn’t want robotic worshipers" when that is BS. If God really has a pre-thought out plan for you, you do not have agency because, clearly, you're going off a script. Even beyond that, if God can only do good and not deviate, why wouldn’t it be argued that he's a robot, and yet, apologists insist he's a free agent. Not even getting to how God just sounds self-destructive. Besides creating Satan, he creates Adam and Eve only for the fall of man to happen, then he's like, "Oh no, I created a world where mankind had become wicked." So he drowns the world save one family, but surely a perfect, all-knowing god would know that evil was not vanquished. So then he makes himself human, sacrificing himself to himself to serve as a loophole for laws he set up from the beginning of time.
I still don't know how anyone can be 'bad' if it's all part of the plan, that means Dahmer and Pol Pot and everyone else was just playing their role for the plot. If it's (his) script, then why he mad?
I have an issue with an all-powerful, omniscient, omnipresent deity that knows how everyone's life is going to play out (determined) being able to insert his will into the life of someone with "freewill" upon throwing out an arbitrary prayer and somehow change the outcome. That doesn't work.
Ya, its all so absurd. Thats like me building a car and then getting mad at it and destroy it because it doesn't fly. I would be a jackazz for that. But its holy when God does it. Really, 2nd grade logic destroys Christianity.
I like the thumbnail. An image that shows God loves the devil and doesn't want to let him go. Seems bitter sweet and beautiful. If only God could just love everyone for who they are instead of what he wants to make them. Love your partner for who they are, not what you can change them into.
The annoying thing about theists is that they use actions to conclude if a person is good or bad but when it comes to their god, it is good by default / the starting point. But this is incredibly dangerous because then there is no command their god could give for them to conclude the god is immoral.
SATAN the DEVIL, the FATHER of LIES and MURDERER of HUMAN BEINGS Atheists who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to believe their LIES and false claims that GOD doesn't exist and the Bible too is not the "Word of God" and source of Truths but just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales will definitely bring themselves and their own families and neighbors nothing but dishonor, disgrace, shame and ETERNAL DEATHS. The LIES and Unbiblical teachings and doctrines of the Pastors and Leaders of Religions about "hellfire", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" will definitely bring nothing but dishonor, disgrace, shame, and ETERNAL DEATHS to Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions. GOD's FAVOR and REWARD of ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH GOD KNOWS that the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" written in Luke 4: 43 will definitely bring honor and his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 to lowly, ordinary, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King and the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" written in John 11: 25, 26 is the guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and honorably live and exist on earth forever as citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
It's funny how Christianity has been used as bases for cults before, that nobody has paused to think, is Christianity a cult in and of itself. Also the good or bad isn't based on actions for Christians, it's simply if you believe in God. Also your actions won't matter if your beliefs in God could also be backed with confidence and you protrude some knowledgability and leadership. That's how you can use Christianity to convince thoughless suseptible followers to follow evil people. But you can be good person who donates to charity and helps helpless people, but tell people that the religion is fictional, then you're outcast from your community, friends, and family, until you're bullied back into just saying you believe. Then you'll be made an example of, about how the devil got their hands on you, but God's love saved you. 😂 Its definitely not your actions, just if you say you believe.
Which is why I hate it when people do horrific things and try to justify it by saying, "Because God told me to." as if that's somehow the Ultimate Get Out of Jail Free Card.
That's a question believers should seriously think about = Why do you expect more from us mere Humans, than you do from the claimed Omnipotent, claimed Omniscient, and most importantly claimed Omnibenevolent "god"!!???? If there truly were a being that had all those "Omni's", there would be ZERO suffering!!
That is a question brought up in Faith Hunter's Rogue Mage novels... the answer was "Humans have the ability to create"... ergo they need to be held to a higher standard than the Mighty Host of God who are so, so limited.
It doesn't really matter what the answer is. For zero suffering God would have to just erase creation atp. And then yall would say "Well God is a narcissist because he doesn't want to create free beings who are going to sin againts him! He doesn't want people to disrespect him!" Yes I am strawmanning, don't bother spamming
"I (the Sun) form the light and create darkness; I make peace (summer), and create evil (winter). I, the Lord (Sun) do all these things" (v. 7). Having first created peace (summer) and lastly evil (winter), the Lord sends down rain, for with winter the rainy season begins, from the skies that the seed just sown may germinate and produce a crop, and through it, salvation (v. 8). Isaiah 45.
@@harveywabbit9541 once again you've made the ridiculous into something tangible, thank you Mr. Wabbit, without the Astrotheology it makes very little sense. 👍
Another interesting thing in that book is how Satan walked with God, considering how many people insist that Satan was the Serpent character in the fable of Eden.
I still can't get over that the Bible teaches that if all your children die, it's okay as long as you have more children afterwards. I can't believe that, even then, people wouldn't recognize that as horrific. What kind of parents did people used to be?
The worst part of all of this to me is Original Sin I didn't ask to be here, no one does...but because an all knowing god decided I should be here knowing I would become an atheist, would say "Well, go to hell" and burn for eternity, that is not a good or just god And to loose an enemy on us that causes all this madness, and to just put him away "So he can be glorified" is not such a god I would ever be seen magnifying
That is the post-hoc rationalization people have come up with, yeah. In reality, Tolkien was probably sick of writing by then and wanted them to fast-travel back so he could end the damn story, and he couldn't _A Wizard Did It_ his way out because he already had wizards running around and they couldn't teleport. "Ah crap I made the trip so tough they're out of food and deep behind enemy lines. Do I kill them off? or... nah fuck it BIRD SAVE" They did the same thing in the movie when the human army is surrounded and all the orcs just fall into a pit by magic. What's his face didn't want a four-hour CGI war scene where the humans somehow won. "Lazy writing" explains like 90% of the bible.
Exactly! It is not a plot hole. You can't just fly to Mount Doom when Sauron is still in charge. Take a look at the map of middle earth. Mordor is a natural fortress.
@@BladeValant546 It's a _story._ It's a story some guy made up. Of COURSE it's ad hoc. That's what stories *_are._* And Samwise didn't start serving Sauron when he carried Frodo, there's no reason to think the damn deus ex birdina would've been if they'd carried the ringbearer to Plot Device Mountain. Your post hoc rationalization aside, the simple fact is it's a story and it's cooler if there's an actual story to tell in the story instead of "oh no there's a problem WELP we fixed it the end" Which is the entire point here. The bible is crammed full of these kinds of needlessly crammed-in extra steps. If God really _was_ "God" and could do god-like things, then the story wouldn't even _get_ as far as "oh no there's a problem". God wouldn't need to have Jesus-birds fly the salvation-ring to Mount Spinoff Cult, he wouldn't even need to teleport the damn ring there instantly, he coulda just not made the damn ring necessary in the first place. But "God made the universe and it's perfect, the end" makes for a really shitty cult. So you get authors forgetting that they have giant sentient birds that could've been convinced to go to war since they were on the hit list too and they could've just done a fly-by and dropped Frodo and the ring both in the damn mountain and be done with it. What, like sending nine people _on foot_ to march through the entire enemy territory (which, as pointed out, is a natural fortress, also an ad hoc made-up story detail) was a better idea than putting one guy on a bird army and hoping the carrier gets through while his buddies distract the very limited air force? And again, this is all an analogy for Jesus needing to be sacrificed to himself by himself to forgive other people of a sin their distant ancestors allegedly committed according to God's plan that they commit it so God could punish them but actually forgive them from their punishment because _um uh um look don't ask questions and pay your tithe you think I'm gonna do actual work like you filthy peasants_ Tolkien didn't fly the ring over to Mount Doom because that wouldn't even be a story, just like God is so freaking incompetent in the bible because it's a _fairytale._
The biggest mindfuck is the idea that god is the moral grounding of humanity, but that he is somehow also not subject to the human moral standards supposedly originated from him.
I see this in Asian anime. No matter how nasty, tricksters are not held responsible for their actions--because they are 'teaching'. Without fail, the victim thanks the trickster in the end as the victim realizes they have learned and grown as people. No repercussions for the trickster, ever. People embedded in the culture lecture me that mean tricks aren't mean if it was a lesson. I think the problem is anthropomorphism. When a spiritual entity behaves exactly like a human, I judge them as a person. Yahweh of the Bible and Jesus acted like people, not invisible unknowable forces, so I judge them.
@@Toviyah1305For example he broke the sixth Commandment:" you shall not murder". God murderd (almost) everyone on earth with the flood, he murderd hundrets of innocent children in egypt, he murderd the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah etc. He also broke the seventh commandment:" you shall not commit adultery". He impregnated a married woman.
Like your videos. To answer the Lotr question: the reason for not using the Eagles is subterfuge. If the Eagles were to act Sauron would have been aware of this as he is very aware of the movements of his enemies, elves dwarves and men. Sauron was made aware of the Ring resurfacing and in return of the King he even questions Pippin about the Ring through the Palantir. They had to use stealth, this is also why the Fellowship was small and not an army. So if the Eagles stared for Mordor he would notice and send the fellbeasts (flying Nazgul steeds) to attack them and the risk of him stopping them and gaining the Ring is too great. Could have been clearer in the movies, is made clear in the books. I know this is off topic, just wanted to counter the misconception about it being a plothole.
I wanted to say the same thing. The Eagles would have been killed and Souron would have gotten the ring. The Eagles only made it afterwards to pick up Sam and Frodo because Souron was dead 😂😂.
Late to the party, but as a Tolkien apologist, I'd argue that if the Ring was given to the Eagles whichever one had it would be corrupted. The Eagles are proud beings, and the Ring would use that pride.
@@warriorofthelord4142 why did he make us in the first place with error? Its a game to him. Why would a God need to prove anything its a God after all. Doesn't make sense that he would need to discipline us if he made us with the brains that we have prone to error and survival based. Why did he bother doing amy of it? Whats the end goal and who does it serve
I think the Christian God uses Satan to test and keep fit his Christian followers. It is like one of those corny country and western songs where the father wants the son to "grow up tough" and the son is expected to respect the father for it. The only answer by a Christian on this issue I respect was from an English Literature Teacher I had for A level called Mr Ronald. He was a Christian man when alive, very clever, very sensitive and kind and hugely well read in the classics of literature. When a boy quizzed him on the issue of why God didn't just destroy the Devil he said quite simply that he did not know the answer but his faith was based on many other factors which he was more than willing to discuss outside the English Literature class. Christians need to realise that for many pagans the simple answer "I don't know" to a religious problem "but I have faith because of the following" sounds much more dignified and worthy of respect than quickly mugging up some corny answer that very clearly falls far away from the mark.
I agree but Christianity would've died out if they didn't go with Paul's salesmanship. "This god has NO ads! This god gives you super powers! This god is going to give your soul a palace and magical servants! This god is going to torture everyone you don't like!"
From Satan's point of view, doesn't he know he will eventually be defeated? What keeps him going? It seems God and Satan are secretly in cahoots or is God deceiving Satan in some way? Could Satan freely choose to stop his deceptions of human souls?
This eagle question has been answered long ago. Mordor has both an air force of Nazgûl on winged fell beasts and Sauron has a magical eye that would see the eagles coming. It's only after both the Nazgûl and Sauron were neutralized that eagles could get to Mordor.
In addition to this correct assertion, the eagles are not immune to the corruption of the ring. Assuming it was handed over to an eagle, it is more than probable that the eagle would abscond with it like a giant, flying Smeagol.
I hate to say this, but I have to admit it, your delivery, the way you talk is the single most significant thing about how effective and irresistible your videos are. I had to really ask this hard question of myself before answering. What you say is of supreme importance, but your cadence - is what allows me to hear it, to listen to it, to ponder on it. I'm glad the algorithm recommended you, better late than never. Don't change a thing. I'm going for a deep dive on your content. I've already started sharing your video.
A guy I used to work with, who was a heavy-duty Christian, thought that there had to be evil in the world to balance out the good. Never made sense to me.
@@roderickcortez138 Right, because if someone is using the contrast theodicy, that to have bliss there needs to at least have temporally been it’s opposite, how would that work 50 million years into the future in heaven? Wouldn’t that memory of suffering at that distant of a point be so faded, so as to not even really provide a contrast anymore? Also, if one is always recollecting the suffering they had on earth, while in heaven (for contrast sake), wouldn’t that mean you are Re-living suffering (thus dampening the joy in a certain sense), which is supposed to not exist in heaven?
@@roderickcortez138 This one sounded good when I was like 12. But after I thought about it I was like...wait...wasn't there already 'proof' of that with the garden of Eden? They were without suffering and it was paradise, right? So...kinda makes no sense.
My stepson and his family are all Christians, and have been for years.They have a son who has the mind of a 1st grader, even though he is 14 years old.He has been diagnosed with some lifetime illnesses such as, schizoaffective disorder; epilepsy, autism, and OCD.When I was a Christian, I thought that God might miraculously heal him at some point, but in the back of my mind, I knew that wasn't going to happen.I haven't asked my son or his wife how they deal with this spiritually/Biblically, since I became an atheist(Maybe I should)but I imagine they might my say that it's a trial-and-a lifelong one at that.They gotta know that this "trial" isn't to build their son's character or increase his faith,considering his mental capacity.As far as their faith goes? Well, seeing that he will have to live with them for the rest of his life-that just doesn't make sense.Even Job didn't have a lifetime trial.They could be thinking that any day now they will be all be raptured out of this world.If God were real, as you've pointed out so clearly in this video, he would indeed be evil, for allowing this to happen to my son's family-with no rescue or hope in sight.
Unfortunately, probably best to leave it be. This will be an INCREDIBLY touchy subject likely to result in them lashing out and being incredibly defensive. Their rationale will likely be 'Who are we to know the ways of God' or 'God is testing US' type stuff. People use christianity a lot of the time to use it as a way of dealing with horrible stuff as I'm sure you know. It's been hard for me trying to converse with people so embedded in this crap, and I've lost friendships.
I know one thing the weaker the vessel the greater God’s glory can shine because that vessel will need to depend completely on God to function and this is not evil at all because it shows that God is indeed our all especially his the very existence
God’s plan(if true), is terrible to begin with and to say, “God is in control,” is absolutely ridiculous, especially if you say it more than two or three times and not see he either isn’t, or he is a real jerk. So glad to be free. Great videos.
You should have read the books. Saron did not consider hobbits to be a threat. However the eagles were. He would have sent the nazgul to attack them and possibly regain the ring.
i have been waiting for this video. one of the things that kind of bugged me back when i was a christian was the fact that the literal embodiment of evil was able to speak directly to god in job, yet somehow we aren't able to do the same. it makes no sense the way christians like to spin it, you have god saying "oh humanity is evil and has fallen short of my commands, they cant see my face or they will surly dye. Oh hi satan do you want to do another betting game" i might have reconverted sooner if i actually pondered this more back then.
God is allowing evil to do their best and satan is one of the most powerful created beings for the rebels make the best possible case against God. God allowed man to judge His Son and crucify Him. In the end after rebels do their best they will see they have made a mess and are terrible gods.
@@Shattered3582which just raises more questions, because how does god wager when he's omniscient? The entire point of a wager is that you don't know the outcome for certain.
@@samuelbrown3405 the reason why christianity has done so well is because the god has moved with the times. in the old testament he was a sky daddy who could be surprised, fought other gods, and needed angels. over the course of the bible god became more powerful and was heavily inspired by the greek and roman gods. the problem now is god has become so powerful, that there is no reason that satan should even be the supposed ruler of the world. to summeries, if god's own nature isn't consistent in his own book, then there is no reason we should believe anything people say about him.
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." So yeah the only bad guy is God himself.
Hey Brandon, I've enjoyed watching your videos-especially the fear of hell and the debate concerning heaven. Your videos are like a breath of fresh air for the mind. Thanks 😊
Whenever I do or say something that my Theist friends or family don't like I always say "the devil made me do it, please forgive me" 😉 They don't like itwhen I use their own nonsense against them
Imagine if God were a cop, he could be everywhere and prevent every crime, the ultimate cop, but imagine the cop saying "I can't interfere with free will. I have to let criminals commit crimes, but don't worry they'll go to hell." Then why even have cops?
There is an interview of Tolkien where he was asked that question and his response was just perfect. He literally said "Just shut up". He knew that looking for plot holes was going to ruin the beautiful story.
@@Toviyah1305 Well, context is that Tolkien was talking about how people send him letters asking him why they dont fly to Mordor with eagles, and then he said that his response is always the same "Just shut up".
Satan aka the scorpion in Rev. 9.5, is the high priest in the Eleusinian mysteries. Hello kiss of the scorpion (priest) aka Melchizedek (King Jupiter). The 12 Tribes make up the body of Jupiter, from the head (Ram) to the feet (Fishies).
The free will argument gets used for everything. It always fails to truly resolve the issues. I am so sick of hearing that one I could scream! That is if I could scream - which I can’t! 🤣
it seems like God wants to make the dirty work, but He doesn't want to get his own hands dirty, so he sends Lucifer. Which only proves that God has no good intentions towards humanity. He can't be all loving and all knowing at the same time
PS:.. on a side-note....I love your channel. I love your calm approch to the facts /// in contrast with catholic/christian channels that try to be BOMBASTIC and dramatic (And asking for money before they even open their mouths!!!) or opening with an angelic "AWWWWW!!"
When Jonathan Harris was cast as Dr Zachary Smith in Lost in Space, he realized that as resident villain, he would travel with the Robinsons usually causing or aggravating the crisis in each episode. For narrative reasons, there couldn't be a new Dr Smith on each episode, but the stupidity of keeping a crew member on the ship who regularly threatened the survival of the family was absurd. Harris suggested making Smith a comic villain. I don't think the strategy would work with the Satan of theology, but it's worth a try.
@@ronjohnson4566Actually, the standing planet set on “Lost in Space” was more convincing than that on the original “Star Trek.” Not that that made it a better show!
Good point !! Lost in Space would not have lasted 3 episodes (nor the Robinsons in the story, ha ha) if Dr. Smith was truly evil and not a goofy uber-jerk.
@@onedaya_martian1238 The pilot episode of Lost in Space - maybe even the first few episodes of the series - were straight sci-fi and not very good IMHO. But when Dr. Zachary Smith started camping it up - especially working off the robot - the show was awesome.
ive wondered why he cant just repent and get back into heaven. he gains nothing by screwing with us. if my goal were to win souls, i wouldn't prove god right by being a dick to everyone. I would make earth (given to me by god) way cooler than heaven.
This is a great point. I think it shows that even if god and Satan were real (which they are not), Satan MUST be on the same side as god. They MUST be working together. There's no other way to make sense of it.
@@warriorofthelord4142Until he let's him off his leash to mess with us. Satan sounds more like God's strong arm than his enemy. Actually, Satan is a plot device to alleviate growing ancient concerns over God creating evil.
Doesn't just play along, he's buddies with God for fuck's sake. They're on good enough terms that they chat and challenge each other in the fairytale. They're not enemies, they're colleagues.
@@Kelley_X Technically both are villains as God commits many atrocities and created the Devil in the first place which makes EL/YHWH the overarching antogonist of the cosmic horror tale known as the Bible. But if we are going in terms of the believers statements than God is good and the Devil is the evil.
@@Kelley_X Technically both are villains with EL/YHWH who created Satan being the overarching antagonist of the cosmic horror tale we call the bible. But If we are just going off of what believers claim than God is good and the Devil is evil.
@@Kelley_X Technically God is the overarching antagonist in the cosmic horror tale known as the Bible, but in terms of what believers think God is Good and The Devil is evil.
@@cyrenedomogalla5127 In the story, the enemy had followers accross the lands. A few travelers on foot is conspicuos, a group of eagles flying in the direction of mordor, will raise some questions.
@@dirtypickle77I doubt it's that easy. Sauron probably has contingencies for that, like having a drake guard the top of the volcano. Most likely the eagle would end up being shot down by an archer or burnt by a drake, and the ring would fall onto the ground, where the nazgul could easily locate it.
Great topic to cover. This deity is without excuse if he is all good. Letting an evil entity roam around unchecked is beyond incompetent and malicious. God believers have to have their deity keep satan around or how else would they explain bad things continuing to happen in the world?
Brandon your talks make light bulbs go off in my mind. For instance: How much sense does it make that a god would create a world, declare that it was good and then set free a destroyer to run amuck causing chaos, suffering etc? Kind of like building a house and then filling it with termites.
Nowhere in the entire Bible is Satan called or referred to as an angel.People assume that Isaiah 14 and Ezek.28 are referring to the fall of an angel called Lucifer.But in actuality, each chapter is describing the fall of a king in a hyperbolic and Hebrew symbolic way.One chapter is about the fall of the king of Tyre, while the other is about the the king of Babylon. The sons of God mentioned in Job are referring to human beings-not angels.I don't have time to develop that here, but suffice it to say that the book of Job is a fine example of Hebrew fiction story-telling that developed over time-like the story of Satan.
Yeah man because one thing the word Lucifer doesn't really mean an angel at all it means morning Star like Venus for example because it is the brightest planet there is in the sky and it can be referred to as one of the Babylonian Kings kingdoms fall pick up the story of Lucifer is made up he was never in the Bible to begin with he was never even a serpent anyway and yet we got adaptations of those stories where he is the devil or the serpent because that's just how current Christianity interprets that now even though the Bible made it clear that he is just a nameless with serpent because I never saw the word Angel anywhere in the Bible for Lucifer
@@WS-dd8ow Isaiah 14:12-17 CJB: How did you come to fall from the heavens, morning star, son of the dawn? How did you come to be cut to the ground, conqueror of nations? 13 You thought to yourself, ‘I will scale the heavens, I will raise my throne above God’s stars. I will sit on the Mount of Assembly far away in the north. 14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.’ 15 “Instead you are brought down to Sh’ol, to the uttermost depths of the pit. 16 Those who see you will stare at you, reflecting on what has become of you: ‘Is this the man who shook the earth, who made kingdoms tremble, 17 who made the world a desert, who destroyed its cities, who would not set his prisoners free?’
The satan was part of god's counsel in Job. Why does god need counsel? Also (a point of cognitive dissonance), if the reason sinners can't go to heaven because god can't be in the presence of sin, how could the satan be in god's presence if it was the embodiment of evil?
Usual answer i get to anything that seems wrong is the old " we cant understand/ judge the ways of god". Its a total cop out of course, but if the person giving it is committed to sticking with it , and prepared to somehow ignore the fact that in lots of other circumstances they claim to be able to do just that....well, i guess there's no reaching some people . Hopefully those who are trying to deconstruct their beliefs are past that stage .
The number one issue I have with believers is when they don't take accountability and say it was satans fault. I guess they're just following gods example.
@@warriorofthelord4142 how are you going to call other people who do believe in God, not believers? They do believe. They accept Christ. Just because they blame Satan does not mean they aren't believers. You're literally doing the exact same thing Brandon explains in his videos. Claiming YOU Know you're a believer and the right type of believer. And saying other people cannot be believers because they believe differently. Pot calling the kettle black.
@@warriorofthelord4142 Lies, where is the knowledge that confirms the claims in the bible? Where is the knowledge that confirms that humans used to live to be 900 years old, a virgin gave birth, man moonwalked on water, raised the dead, fed 5000 people with 7 food items, died and came back to life and made food fall from the sky?
There's only one logical conclusion for why a god like this would let his supposed enemy keep existing. As you've already shown before, this god is hypocritical, egotistical and temper-mental, he doesn't live up to the definition of love in his own word, he created hell despite claiming to not want to send anyone to hell, he relishes in our suffering, and he purposefully made it easy for us to be deceived by demons disguised as angels. He allows Satan to continue existing because this god simply wants us to stumble and suffer.
@@VasiraeYT No you do not, you just day things but words can have drastic consequences the tongue is sharpest sword in existence especially of the Creator that even Kings can tremble when He speaks
