Karlo Broussard, author of Meeting the Protestant Challenge, takes on a common challenge to the Catholic priesthood. If Peter says all Christians are priests -- and he does -- then what need have we of a Catholic priest? Transcript:
Thanks Karlo and Cy! The explanation helped me a lot. I have a sister that's now become non-Catholic and these are few of the things that i have to be aware of and be able to share well to her so she will understand more about our Catholic Faith. And i pray that she will come back to the real church. God bless!
An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?) 1 Timothy 3: 2-5
This would seem like a typical Catechism class We need to have Priests so that they can entirely focus on ministering Keep in mind how Catholic Priest go to Seminary for 5 to 7 years You need to realise in their years of training in the Seminary, Catholic Priests are not only merely Priests but they are Psychologist or Social workers who completely dedicate their lives to ministering to the Christian (Catholic) communities
Jesus Christ gave His apostles and their direct successors, Catholic Priests, His authority, power and Sacraments (the keys to the kingdom of Heaven). Matthew 16:18 And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound, even in heaven. And whatever you shall release on earth shall be released, even in heaven.” Mark 3:14 And he acted so that the twelve would be with him, and so that he might send them out to preach. Mark 3:15 And he gave them authority to cure infirmities, and to cast out demons: Matthew 10:7 And going forth, preach, saying: ‘For the kingdom of heaven has drawn near.’ Matthew 10:8 Cure the infirm, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You have received freely, so give freely.
@@B_Thornsb5974 Gods Doctrine that He set in His One True Apostolic Catholic (Universal) Church is not assumptions and made to fit the narrative. In fact, He taught if you don’t remain in His Doctrine, you will not have Him. 2 John 1:9 Everyone who withdraws and does not remain in the doctrine of Christ, does not have God. Whoever remains in the doctrine, such a one as this has both the Father and the Son. Hebrews 13:9 Do not be led away by changing or strange doctrines. And it is best for the heart to be sustained by grace, not by foods. For the latter have not been as useful to those who walked by them. Galatians 1:6 I wonder that you have been so quickly transferred, from him who called you into the grace of Christ, over to another gospel. Galatians 1:7 For there is no other, except that there are some persons who disturb you and who want to overturn the Gospel of Christ. Galatians 1:8 But if anyone, even we ourselves or an Angel from Heaven, were to preach to you a gospel other than the one that we have preached to you, let him be anathema. Galatians 1:9 Just as we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone has preached a gospel to you, other than that which you have received, let him be anathema.
This is what the Bible says regarding church leaders: An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?) 1 Timothy 3: 2-5
@@amartinez589 according to your logic neither Paul nor Barnabas or timothy shouldn't fit the priest fonction as well as most of the apostle or the earlier churh fathers.. read scripture with your own interpretation and your ready to go off road. you should at least wonder what does Paul meant in that epistle instead of reading it as a mere cooking recipe book!
@@paulericn.mouafo6610 I'm sorry but the RCC has gone off the road. Look at the greek translation for the word baptize, it literally means and has always meant immersion. All throughout the New Testament we see Christians baptized by immersion that is clear. Why does the RCC practice sprinkling? Most if not all RCC baptism are not legitimate. And if the verse I mentioned was "off the road" then who are the overseers Paul was referring to? Keep looking at scripture through the lens of the RCC rather than the Holy Spirit and you will find yourself walking off the cliff. Jesus spoke on this when He referred to the blind leading the blind.
Matthew 10:1 And having called together his twelve disciples, he gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out and to cure every sickness and every infirmity. Matthew 10:7 And going forth, preach, saying: ‘For the kingdom of heaven has drawn near.’ Matthew 10:8 Cure the infirm, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You have received freely, so give freely. 1 Corinthians 12:28 And indeed, God has established a certain order in the Church: first Apostles, second Prophets, third Teachers, next miracle-workers, and then the grace of healing, of helping others, of governing, of different kinds of languages, and of the interpretation of words. Titus 1:5 For this reason, I left you behind in Crete: so that those things which are lacking, you would correct, and so that you would ordain, throughout the communities, priests, (just as I also ordained you) Hebrews 13:7 Remember your leaders, who have spoken the Word of God to you, whose faith you imitate, by observing the goal of their way of life: Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and be subject to them. For they watch over you, as if to render an account of your souls. So then, may they do this with joy, and not with grief. Otherwise, it would not be as helpful to you. Hebrews 13:18 Pray for us. For we trust that we have a good conscience, being willing to conduct ourselves well in all things.
"The Bible alone"... until Scripture disproves Protestant doctrines, at which point those key passages are conveniently forgotten. Or convenienvtly reinterpreted. For example, the many times Jesus specifically gave authority to consecrate the Eucharist, to give absolution, and other special ways in which the Apostles act in persona Christi. How can Peter override all that? Answer: he does not.
Scripture does disprove Protestant doctrine. Jesus Christ established His One True Apostolic Catholic Church and Doctrine in His Church. The Catholic Church gave The Holy Bible to the world. Over 1500 years later, Protestants rewrote it, deleted verses, chapters, books and changed wording to both The Bible and The Ten Commandments. He wants everyone to be His Church and remain in His Doctrine. ALL 44,000 other Christian Churches broke away from Gods Church and Doctrine to start their own Church, like the pharisees did & God rebuked them for it. They do not have the valid Sacraments Jesus instituted. Ephesians 4:4 One body and one Spirit: to this you have been called by the one hope of your calling: 4:5 one Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism, 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all. John 10:16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold, and I must lead them. They shall hear my voice, and there shall be ONE SHEEPFOLD and ONE SHEPHERD. John 17:20 But I am not praying for them only, but also for those who through their word shall believe in me. 17:21 So may they all be one. Just as you, Father, are in me, and I am in you, so also may they be one in us: so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 17:22 And the glory that you have given to me, I have given to them, so that they may be one, just as we also are one. 17:23 I am in them, and you are in me. So may they be perfected as one. And may the world know that you have sent me and that you have loved them, just as you have also loved me. 17:24 Father, I will that where I am, those whom you have given to me may also be with me, so that they may see my glory which you have given to me. For you loved me before the founding of the world. 2 John 1:9 Everyone who withdraws and does not remain in the doctrine of Christ, DOES NOT HAVE GOD. Whoever remains in the doctrine, such a one as this has both the Father and the Son. Hebrews 13:9 Do not be led away by changing or strange doctrines. And it is best for the heart to be sustained by grace, not by foods. For the latter have not been as useful to those who walked by them. Galatians 1:6 I wonder that you have been so quickly transferred, from him who called you into the grace of Christ, over to another gospel. 1:7 For there is no other, except that there are some persons who disturb you and who want to overturn the Gospel of Christ. 1:8 But if anyone, even we ourselves or an Angel from Heaven, were to preach to you a gospel other than the one that we have preached to you, let him be anathema. 1:9 Just as we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone has preached a gospel to you, other than that which you have received, let him be anathema. Revelation 22:18 For I call as witnesses all listeners of the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone will have added to these, God will add upon him the afflictions written in this book. 22:19 And if anyone will have taken away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion from the Book of Life, and from the Holy City, and from these things which have been written in this book.
As the late great Catholic biblical scholar Raymond E. Brown stated, the ancient Israelites were all considered priests in a "holy nation, set apart", but this in no way forbade a ministerial priesthood - one which lasted until the fall of Jerusalem in CE 70. The two notions support each other, and do not cancel each other out. Anti-clerical Protestantism refuses to understand this.
We as a Catholics have TWO Priesthood’s one is Ministerial this is what all the Priest have and this IS. In the Bible Levítico 16,32 ; 5,5 Hebreos 5,1 Malaquías 2,7-8 Hebreos 7,11 in here he changed but he did not eliminate. Genesis 14,18 Lucas 22,19 **1ra.Corintios 11,24 Common Priesthood: Éxodo 19,4 Hebreos 7,11
@@kronos01ful the once for all was compared to the yearly sacrifice the priests of Aaron did. Jesus being Holy and Perfect, had to do only One Sacrifice and Jesus instituted the New Priesthood upon His Apostles. They carried on His Mission with His authority.
@@markm4033 the apostles were not priest. Theres no more need for a priest. We have bishops, pastor ,teacher,singers etc...but not a priest. Christ is the priest the perfect priest that intercedes for the church . Hes blood was shed once and is finished. Thas what the bible says, its written so of man don't come and tradition twist scripture. Theres no need for a priest, jesus and the apostles never even dress like the pope or a cardenal its all roman catholic bull.
@@kronos01ful the Apostles were Bishops. Why do you think Jesus taught them for 3 years? Why do you think St. Paul speaks of his ministry of reconciliation which is confession? The Church was over 300 years before the Bible was canonized by the Church. Tradition doesn't twist things, Martin Luther and his followers twisted scripture.
@@markm4033 yes ! The church was before Roman church. The Roman church is a pagan system. No matter hie much the Roman tradition wants to twist the word ,the word is above tradition. Nothing in the new testament confirms the Roman priesthood ..nothing! Because is not biblical. Its just pagan tradition .
As a non Catholic the argument over priest seems silly Paul talks about offices in ephesians and requirement in Timothy for bishop and deacon . It is clear that there are priest
I am part of the Protestant movement and I don’t see how the office of the ministerial Priesthood can be Apostolic for the following reasons: 1. such a priesthood is never mentioned in scripture, only that all believers in Christ are priest’s because we are “living sacrifices”, we “offer up sacrifices of praise to God”, and we participate in the “ministry of reconciliation” when we share the gospel as the Apostle Paul did. 2. Scripture only gives us two offices in the church. Elder (aka Presbyter-btw Presbyter does not mean priest, it means Elder) and Deacon. Bishop is also mentioned but is used synonymously with Elder/Presbyter by the Apostle Paul. In the second century a distinction was made between Bishop and Elder/Presbyter and by the middle of the third century, Elder/Presbyter was replaced with Priest. St. Cyprian and St. Jerome are the first to write about the priesthood around 250 A.D. 3. The unique functions of a Catholic ministerial priest in the New Covenant , auricular confession and transforming the Eucharist into the actual body of Christ and repeatedly re-offering it as an un bloody sacrifice is unnecessary. In the Lords Prayer Jesus taught us to confess our sins to the Father. It is now possible to go directly to the Father because Jesus is our Mediator whom we pray through. This newfound access to the Father was symbolized when the curtain to the temple separating the Holy of Holies from the rest of the temple was torn in two during the earth quake that coincided with Jesus’ death. Hebrews 4:16 says “So let us come boldly to the throne of our gracious God. There we will receive his mercy, and we will find grace to help us when we need it most.” And 1John 1:9 “But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.” The sacrifice of Jesus was made once and offered up once to the Father on Calvary. “Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.” Hebrews 7:27 It goes on to say after offering himself up, Jesus sat down at the right hand of God the Father because his work was finished. When Jesus gave up his spirit on the cross he said “tetelestai”, which is an accounting term meaning “paid in full”. So there is no need to re-offer the sacrifice of Jesus again and again and again. We must be careful to not read the present day dogmas back into the scriptures, but let the scriptures say what they say. These are the reasons I believe the Ministerial Priesthood of the Catholic Church is not Apostolic.
I'm a Protestant too but think there may be a good case for the priesthood, assuming Communion is a mystical return to the Christ's once for all Sacrifice foreshadowed in the Last Supper
@@foodforthought8308 If the Apostles were the first priests if seems strange that they never mentioned it. It’s strange that the only two offices given by Paul is Elder and Deacon, yet priest is never mentioned. If you believe we need someone to bring Christ down from his throne in Heaven to become a bloodless sacrifice under the disguise of bread and wine to propitiate our sins continually, then maybe you do need a priesthood.
@robertdelisle7309 I don't think anyone is saying we "need" a ministerial priesthood - Christ is not limited to the Sacraments- but it does seem to be the natural order our Lord established in fulfillment of the Levitical priesthood. St. John indicated that He granted his Apostles special authority to forgive sins and bind/ loose. In other words, stand in the place of Christ as annointed priests. It's no far stretch to say they appointed elders who had the authority to lead their congregation in Communion, which early Christians have always believed was indeed the Real Precense of Christ, and center of the worship service
Hebrews 7:11 Is the answer. He did not eliminated priest hood but changed it in the order of Mechizedek. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood-and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood-why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
If we hadnt tolerated evil men in priesthood for centuries, we wouldnt be finding ourselves trying to convince people of something so obvious as the priesthood .
I just happened upon your video while asking Google this very question. I appreciate your content. I do have a question. I do believe in a high priestly order, but does the Bible not say in Hebrews 3:1 that Jesus is our high priest? And then, in Matthew 27:51, it says that the veil in the temple was torn into from top to bottom, making the Holy of Holies accessible to all through the prefect, once and for all sacrifice made by the lamb of God, Jesus. Peter saying that we are all priests and the aforementioned concerning Jesus as our high priest changes the idea that we need a human hiarchial priest. Referencing Jude 1:11 as evidence for hiarchial priests is difficult to accept. Yes, Jude is speaking on Korah rebelling against Moses and Aaron and their priesthood but at the time of the rebellion, God had established Misses and Aaron as priests over the Israelite nation. At the time, the forgiveness of sin was performed once a year by the priest who would sacrifice an animal for the people. Jesus had not come and gave himself as our atoneing sacrifice. Is not saying that we still need humans as high priests for priests themselves, usurps the very authority of Jesus as our high priest? What did Jesus accomplish on the cross then if we still need men to stand in the gap for us? Romans 8:34 says that Jesus intercedes for us. 1 John 2:1 says that Jesus is our advocate. By reading just one verse prior to Exodus 19:6 you see that God is telling Moses to tell the people that if they will obey Him that He will make them a priestly people. We know through reading the rest of the Old Testament that the Israelite Nation failed miserably at obeying God. If they had completely obeyed Good and become that priestly people, there would have been no need for Jesus to come and die in a cross as a sacrifice. By Him being our sacrifice, God's grace covers us and we then become that priestly people who can bodily approach the throne of God ourselves, without a human advocate.
We are all priests insofar as we believers are empowered to go directly to God with our own personal sacrifices. This is due to our union with the the Body of Christ, Jesus Himself being the Head. But, only some men are specially ordained as priests to offer Jesus' Sacrifice via the Mass, which we cannot do. They are the ministerial priesthood commissioned by Christ at the Last Supper.
If this protestant reasoning were right, the Jews couldn't have had a common and ministerial priesthood, because in the Old Testament, the Jews are called the same way as St. Paul called us Christians: chosen and priests.
I'm 4:13 into the video and you've mentioned "common priesthood" and 'ministerial, higher priesthood' which is not biblical to my knowledge and if it was you'd be making biblical references by now as to where in the Holy Bible you'd find what you're talking about. I'll continue to watch the video and hear what happens later in the video.
You are skipping over Hebrews the book of Hebrews specifically chapter 7 and 8 clearly does away with the priesthood by succession exceptional priesthood is done away in Christ and replaced by perpetual priesthood of Jesus after the order of Melchizedek, and he makes us all priests under his perpetual priesthood. There is no more successlonal Priesthood, in the real Church. Anybody that tries to resurrect any version of Aaron's priesthood, has done in the minds of the people exactly what Hebrew 7 sent you are not supposed to do, "his preset is unchangeable" means unable to be removed and re-replaced with successional face to it.
When God established Levitical priesthood, He declared it to be perpetual (Exodus 40:15). Numbers 18:19 applies “covenant of salt” to this priesthood, which means it will last forever as salt is used to preserve food. Covenant of salt appears twice in OT and the second one is applied to kingship of David and his descendants through Solomon in 2 Chronicles 13:5, which is based on God’s promise to David (2 Samuel 7:12-13) - God will establish his throne through Solomon forever. The perpetuity of both Davidic kingship and Levitical priesthood were later reaffirmed by prophet Jeremiah in dual prophecy in Jer. 33:17-18. The first was fulfilled in Christ (Luke 1:32-33) and the second one is fulfilled in Levitical priests of the New Covenant who are the Catholic priests. Another prophecy in Isaiah 66:21 says that God will take as priests and levites from all the nations, or they no longer have to be Jewish. Levitical priests of Judaism cannot fulfill Jer. 33:18 - without their Jerusalem Temple they are no longer able to offer any sacrifice and/or all types of offerings as prescribed in OT (Lev. 1 to 7). Christ Himself put an end to Old Testament sacrifice and offerings according to Heb. 10:9-10 by His own Sacrifice on the cross, once for all. Yet Heb. 10:13 says “we have an altar” - the word “altar” is related to sacrifice and sacrifice on altar requires priests. You need neither altar nor priests for sacrifice of praise (Heb. 13:15) and offering our own bodies (Rom. 12:1). The word “we” in Heb.13:10 refers to Christians, not to Jews who then still had altar in their Jerusalem Temple (assuming Hebrews was written before destruction of Jerusalem Temple).
@@justfromcatholic the altar of Hebrews 1013 is clearly metaphoric altar of the heart. You're you are doing just like your leaders trying to make it literal it's not literal it's of the heart. Again every single scripture that you used is all Old testament on the under the law the law is done away in Christ Jesus. You need to read the whole book of fevers and stop acting like it doesn't exist you are ignoring the chapter and verse is that I just read to you read Hebrews whole book It brings to an end that old salt, under the New we are told by Jesus that we are the salt of the earth, Clearly the Old testament salt has lost its savor it has been dunaway read the whole book of Galatians Read the whole book of Hebrews Jesus hang on the cross he said it is the old covenant is done, in his shed blood there is a New covenant contract of eternal life Everyone that worships him now let's not do it by ceremonial physical pageantry but in spirit and in truth Please don't ignore heroes chapter 7 it clearly shows that the song that you're talkin about has been done away. Solomon's throne and and David's throne is forever but carried on through Christ Jesus, the thrones a transfer into heaven and are forever It does not say that their thrones over forever on Earth Jesus is the King on the throne that we follow not David not Jesus is the light and the salt that we follow not your Old testament dead plugged up by the root salt. Hebrews chapter 7 clearly says that Jesus priesthood is unchangeable irrevocable unremovable, it has removed Aaron's priesthood forever, salt loses its savor is what Jesus said, he also said the Aaron's WAS NOT PERPETUAL SLATED TO DIE BE CHANGED AND REMOVED REPLACED WITH JESUS PERPETUAL PRIESTHOOD DESCRIPTION NEVER SAYS AARON'S PRIESTHOOD HIS PERPETUAL THAT'S A LIE, AND OR A HYPNOTIC DECEPTION HEBREWS CHAPTER 7 CLEARLY SAYS, AARON'S PRIESTHOOD AND THE LAW OF MOSES HAD TO BE REMOVED CHANGED TRANSLATES AS REMOVED BECAUSE THE COMMANDANT THEREOF WAS WEAK AND UNPROFITABLE, BUT THE BRINGING IN OF A BETTER HOPE JESUS, MADE ALL THINGS PROFITABLE IT SAYS THAT THE OLD PRIESTHOOD WHAT'S BY BECAUSE THOSE PRIESTS WOULD NOT SUFFER TO CONTINUE BY REASON OF DEATH BECAUSE THEY DIE OF OLD AGE OR SOONER, JESUS BECAME THE BETTER PRIEST BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE TO PASS DOWN HIS PRIESTHOOD BY SUCCESSION BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT LIVES FOREVER THE ONLY PRIESTS THAT LIST FOREVER, AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT BECOMES HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS HIS FOLLOWERS HIS CHILDREN, HE MAKES US ALL PRIESTS AND KINGS UNDER HIM, HE GAVE NO ONE THE RIGHT TO HOLD AARON'S PRIESTHOOD EVER AGAIN THAT WITCH IS DEAD MUST REMAIN THAT WAY, OR READ CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 3 WHICH CLEARLY STATES THAT THE LAW OF MOSES IS NOW THE ADMINISTRATION OF DEATH, IT IS THE LETTER THAT KILLETH, ONE WITH SPIRITUAL. BUT IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT QUICKNESS AND MAKE HIS PEOPLE ALIVE. WE ARE WRITTEN ON GOD'S HEART WITH THE THE HOLY SPIRIT AS THE CHURCH OF CORINTH WAS WRITTEN ON PAUL AND PETER'S HEART BY THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT INK ON PAPER TYPE LEGISLATION BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE LEGISLATION NOT THE PAPER AND INK ANY LONG BEFORE THE GLORY THEREOF HAS PASSED AWAY, those that continue in the lower under Moses and Aaron still have a veil over their face. For no reason because the glory of those things are dead, according to what Paul said and Corinthians chapter 3 inspired by the Holy Spirit
@@justfromcatholic respectfully my friend please research please don't ignore impasse over the New testament to fall back under the old. The whole Catholic priesthood is under the old covenant mix with paganism secret polytheism. Come let us reason my friend
@@johnarchelyahnicholasbenya3278 I did research and what I found is Catholics priesthood is scripturally supported. You cannot deny that all verses I cited provide scriptural support of Catholic ministerial priesthood. Scripture is supposed to be your final authority. If you cannot reconcile your belief with any verses of Scripture, then your belief is WRONG!
@@johnarchelyahnicholasbenya3278 According to Heb. 10:1 the Law (of Moses) is a shadow of the good things to come instead of their true forms. The priesthood of the New Covenant is the true form of Old Covenant priesthood; the altar and sacrifice of the New Covenant are the true form of those of Old Covenant. Covenant of salat and "we are the salt of the earth" are NOT the same. You don't need to be a genius to see that. Exod. 40:15 clearly says God will perpetuate levitical priesthood and yet you believe it was removed. How dare you say that God cannot keep what He declared? Heb. 13:10 does NOT mention about metaphorical altar of the heart - the entire Scripture NEVER mentions such altar. It is your wild imagination to deny what Scripture says! The verse simply says "altar", NOT "altar in heart"
@@blackrocket673 Kiss = keep it simple stupid. Adam's comment reminds me of the saying: "To a Protestant, Catholicism looks like a jungle. To a Catholic, Protestantism looks like a desert."
I like the expression Scott Hahn used. To a Protestant or outsider of the Catholic faith (myself included at one point) see an acorn, and then see an oak tree. And wonder how is that possible that this acorn became an oak tree? Well you have to understand the process of organic growth. And you won’t understand unless you seek to understand it. And you need history to understand it. But most just want to focus on “that doesnt look like it’s how interpreted the Bible therefore it’s wrong.” Myself included at one point. Rather we should take the stance of “this is contradictory to my belief, but because I love God, let me understand how Catholics came to actually believe and formulate these doctrines.” You’ll be pleasantly surprised when you look at it from that approach.
@@Jo3K1ng3 We have damnation, then after Christ we have salvation. It's not a matter of how we got from A to B but a simple matter of Christ. The Golden Rule, imparted by Jesus, serves as a foundational axiom for a simple and ethical moral code. However, the Bible, primarily composed of epistles and narratives, lacks a systematic theological framework. When theological deductions are derived from analogical and interpreted accretions, they risk complicating the apologetic's landscape. While such deductions can generalize biblical motifs and deepen theological understanding, they should be approached cautiously to prevent obscuring the fundamental simplicity of Jesus' teachings and introducing unnecessary doctrinal complexity.
@@adam7402 “do this in remembrance of me” as Jesus did at the last supper and did he take the bread and say “eat this for this is a symbol of my body” or did he say “this is my body, eat of it “ John 6:53 (NIV): “Jesus said to them, ‘Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.’” Look at how Levite priests worshipped and look at how Catholic masses function, then look at how angels conduct a mass in heaven in revelations. Revelation 8:3-4 (NIV): “Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne. The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God’s people, went up before God from the angel’s hand.” It’s the same thing. We just use the bread and wine because now it’s the body and blood of Jesus. And I just gave you proof it’s in the Bible.
Jesus could have written a theological manual and founded a seminary school campus before He died. He didn't because that wasn't essential. He created a ministry by teaching in person to selected individuals and by providing an example on a world stage. Anyone who calls themselves a Christian has to believe that Jesus accomplished all which was necessary and would probably have not done much if anything as an adult which was not fulfilling some prophesy or doing something which the Father deemed necessary. If the Bible is necessary, and for the first century Christians the Bible didn't exist yet, that would seem to be a rather large oversight by a being who doesn't have oversights. Therefore, what Jesus did was more essential than writing the Bible, or something like it, Himself. What was that? What had to be done besides fulfilling prophesies about Himself? He reformed and taught a new Priesthood who would obey His teachings. That priesthood was responsible for teaching and spreading Jesus' teachings until the printing press got invented at least. There is no Christianity without the work of the Catholic Church for the first 15-16 centuries. That can't be disputed from any credible argument. If protestants want to argue that the Church polluted the faith, well, the faith was wholly supported by the work of the Catholic Church. That really includes the Orthodox church as well, but RCC and Orthodoxy are more similar than they are different which is more than I can say about many protestant denominations.
Theres no priesthood in the new testament for the church, the church is us nkt under the covenant of the law and the temple but by the holy spirit. The roman priesthood is pagan and a insult to christ sacrifice.
It's common sense that in the first century A.D. there would have been ministerial priests because that was the norm all throughout the old testament up until Jesus came into being. The Holy Father's promise of the coming of Jesus as the last Royal Priest is all over the Old Testament. Jesus, the apostles and Pentecost happened for a reason; to fulfill the Holy Father's promise of a priestly king and His plan of redemption for all nations. Jesus is the only way back to Eden here on Earth and the only way to Heaven and Eternal Life because He IS the last royal priest who did what no other priest had done or ever will - give His life on the cross to redeem us back to our Holy Father and be exalted in Heaven to sit at our Holy Father's right hand. Ministerial priesthood makes no sense to throw it into the biblical story unless we're talking pre-Jesus.
🤔 I dont remember Peter saying we are all COMMON, Universal, Ministerial Priest. He Simply says we are ALL PRIEST! & Jesus says " Call no man "Father" This type of argument sounds similar to the snake saying " you shall not SURELY die"
Well if thats true we have a BIG problem, Eph 6:1-2 calls earthly men as Father Luke 16:24- Jesus calls Abraham as Father Abraham Rom 4:1-15 - Paul calls Abraham as Father Abraham 7 times Acts 7:1-2 - Stephen calls the ministers as Esteemed Father's and Abraham as Father Abraham 1 Cor 4:14-15 - Paul calls himself a spiritual Father to the church of Corinth, The point of "Call No Man Father" was hyperbole to acknowledge God as the source of all Fatherhood. I'm not a catholic by the way, but hope that helps
Catholicism is not a new religion but natural continuation of Judaism under the new covenant established by Jesus with His ultimate salvation, His first followers were all Jews and they started this new covenant Judaism in their respective synagogues in Jerusalem, Antioch, Rome, Damascus , Smyrna, Corinth, Hippo etc. with the basic tradition like tabernacle alter menorah priesthood etc. intact which can be found only in catholic Church and no any other church can fit into the Church that Jesus established under the stewardship of Peter.
Christ clearly said to eat the bread for it is His body. And then to drink the wine which is His blood. And then He gave the command to "do this" in His memory. Christ very clearly established the Eucharist at the Last Supper P E R I O D!!!!
11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread, 11:24 And giving thanks, broke and said: Take ye and eat: This is my body, which shall be delivered for you. This do for the commemoration of me. 11:25 In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood. This do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. 11:26 For as often as you shall eat this bread and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. 11:27 Therefore, whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. 11:28 But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the chalice. 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
Protestants “The Holy Spirit tells use what scripture means when we read it.” Protestants “You’re interpretation of scripture is wrong, the Holy Spirit told you wrong. I don’t have a degree in theology but I am an expert because the Holy Spirit”
@@sawyerwhited6802 the key to that verse is Christ was speaking to his apostles, not his disciples …. His Apostles (teachers), the leaders of his church he formed.
So you don't believe God gives those who believe in Jesus His Holy Spirit? Romans 5:5,1 Cor.2:2, Luke 11:13, 1 Thess. 4:8 & other verses says God gives believers His HS.
Thats not what Acts says at all. When Paul and Barnabas would leave a town they just preached the gospel to, they would leave appointed priests to teach the converts and carry out the mysteries of Jesus.
It literally says Matthew 18:18 (NIV): “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” If we’re all ministerial priests, what stops me from binding your sin on earth? We don’t have that authority.
Where does it say that forgiving sins was preaching ABOUT christs forgiving our sins? Right from the beginning priests were helping folk in confession and forgiving peoples sins IN JESUS NAME! Do more research please
As Catholic, I can say this apologetic answer is weak at best, as far as the ministerial priesthood with over half being homosexual, we have to depend on our own priestly powers in mass to honor the lords sacrifice.
You are twisting everything biblical; you're saying things that are not there - you're assuming that that's what's being said or done but it's common sense that's not what's being said or done. The taking of the bread and wine is a remembrance as Jesus said. A remembrance that He is that Royal Priest prophesied in the Old Testament who came to save humanity and that one day He will return. As Jesus said, nobody comes to the Father but by Him. We don't need a ministerial priest to access the Father. We have been adopted as sons of the Father already through our coming to Jesus and anointed with the Holy Spirit of God - the same spirit with which Old Testament priests were anointed with. Our bodies are the temple and the church of God. The presence of God is within us. We have access to God - no need for ministerial priests to sacrifice for us for the forgiving of our sins or for prayers for petitions if we already have access to God.
The Catholic church system is based on a wrong interpretation of scripture. They are not and never will be the church which Christ is building Himself. Peter is not the rock. The disciples nor so called priests have authority to forgive sins. The apostles could declare that someone's sins were forgiven when they received the gospel message of forgiveness. It was God who did the forgiving, not the apostles and most certainly not a priest, especially when they are just vile sinners themselves. The Holy Spirit is the power and authority in the true Christian church. There is no need for Popes, priests, cardinals and the like, in fact it is an insult to God.
I assume that God speaks very plainly. Jesus said that Simon was now Petros, just as God had previously named Abram as Abraham, Sarai as Sarah, Jacob as Israel, etc. They are titles as much as names. Much as the names of God are titles or descriptors more than actual use names. So if Jesus can be believed at all, then Simon became Petros or rock. To dispute that is to dispute the word of The Word made flesh.
Catholics who want to become priests must first take an oath to remain celibate. But, where in the Bible does it say that priests are obliged to remain unmarried? Answer: NOWHERE!! As the Catholic Encyclopedia says: "We do not find in the New Testament any indication of celibacy being made compulsory either upon the Apostles or those whom they ordained." The Catholic Church is notorious for teaching unscriptural doctrines.
@@w.bayless3162 The subject at hand deals with the teachings of the Catholic Church. If you disagree with what I said about the apostate Catholic Church, tell me why you disagree.
@@markm4033 the priesthood is every member not a selective group. . The church have bishops,pastors,teachers etc...but no a priest. None of the apostles serve as priest NONE! because there's no need for it. The priesthood of the Roman church is pagan in ritual and a slap to Jesus sacrifice. That system is curse by its idolatry.
