Why I Despise John Redcorn 

You left out the best burn from Hank in this episode! When John Redcorn says "I can't believe she left me for that!" Hank replies back "She didn't LEAVE you for THAT, she MARRIED that 2 years before she met you"

My favorite fan theory is that Dale is fully aware of his wife's affair and his revenge is being a good father to make sure John never gets to bond with the child he and Nancy conceived

John red-corn: Twelve acres? What an insult! Me, A Lakota: Shit man if the government offered me 12 free acres I'll take it.

A response to John Redcorn of wanting his son back: "Will is not a coat that you hang in the closet and pick it up when you're ready to wear it. His life goes on! He's not suppose to be here for you, you're suppose to be here for him!" - Uncle Phil

My favourite moment involving John Redcorn: when Joseph is about to kill a panda at a zoo to prove himself as some initiation and John stops him by catching the arrow that Joseph misfires. But then Dale hands him a gun and says "he won't catch a bullet." Dale is truly a great character

“The white kid is more offended by this that the Native American kid” dude Joseph thinks he is white too

As the famous quote goes "he may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy." John redcorn may have been the biological father but Dale did the rasing and bonding with Joseph.

The thing with red corn is he never even really tried to fight for his son. If he really wanted him why didn’t he fight for custody when he was a baby? It’s because red corn wanted to have his cake and eat it too.

I love how John Redcorn comes off as a creepy old man when he tries to bond with Joseph. It's the perfect revenge. Joseph wants nothing to do with him and looks up to Dale

John Redcorn also has children with other women but I guess the reason why he’s focused on Joseph is because Joseph looks like him.

I honestly hate that Dale's "closest friends" continue to hide this from him

John Redcorn is worse than Nancy. Throughout the affair, John was just having fun while Nancy romanticized the whole thing. John never made any attempt to make it serious and pretty easily gave Nancy up. Later, John Redcorn has a mid-life crisis upon realizing he's forty and has nothing to show for his life. He decides outta nowhere that he's owed a relationship with the bastard son he barely knows. He tries to rekindle with Nancy, but she chooses Dale once more. Nancy always had the most to lose from their affair while John Redcorn was the third party. That he has the nerve to claim he's somehow been wronged is despicable. Dale Gribble is the only father Joseph has ever known or needed. John Redcorn is just his mother's wierd friend.

As a Native American whose seen too many young boys never know their father I give all races permission to criticize John Redcorn:

One of the best aspects of the show is Joseph is physically gifted like John redcorn but neurotic like Dale.

Always nice to see someone say unequivocally that being a father consists of caring for a kid, not inseminating someone.

I really hate John's mentality. Using racial prejudice to justify being a terrible person literally undos the point of learning from it and is just scummy.

That's the joke. In a nutshell. He appears noble but he's heavily flawed. Whereas Dale, who appears problematic, is actually the more trustworthy.

The thing you could argue that makes John worse than Nancy is the fact that for 13 years he has remained silent about the paternity of his son. If John had revealed the truth about Joseph and fought for custody when he was a baby, John would probably be raising Joseph with 50/50 custody. Instead, John chose to remain silent in order to continue his affair with Nancy. Essentially, John Redcorn chose his mistress over his son.

John Redcorn was happy to sleep around because he could justify his reprehensible action with historical treatment. But once he realized that he was only continuing the crime against his own people he tried to step in, but in a selfish way.

John Redcorn is a cautionary tale about people who hide behind the terrible past their people have gone through to absolve themselves of any present moral wrongdoing.

In odd way, John Redcorn was a bigger nobody when compared to Dale. Aside from being attractive hunk and ladies man, John lived in a trailer, alone, and his therapeutic massages was more of a front for his main work as a gigolo. Even John realized this, he has nothing, no family, no land, no future....until Dale, of all people, lifts him up. It was through Dale's help that he secured those 12 acres of land. Dale also sparked John's career as a successful children's entertainment performer when his own metal band was a dead end failure.

"He may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy" - mary poppins

I grew up with a mother like John Redcorn. Glad I grew up with my Grandfather's idea of judging people based on their acts towards you instead of holding a grudge with someone based on a relative they never even met doing something to a relative you never met.

Remember the episode where Dale almost figures it out because of the lady Bill dates who also happened to be an old fling of Redcorn's who also had 2 kids of his? He didn't want to raise them either, but he sure had a lot of complaints about Bill or Dale raising them (Dale thought they were actually his own biological kids bc of the DNA test he did proving they were Joseph's siblings, lol). And the cherry on the hypocrisy sundae is that Redcorn was sleeping with that lady during the same time that he was having the affair with Nancy, so it makes his complaints about how she wouldn't leave Dale for him, and the way he freaked out on her when he found out she slept with Dale, even more hypocritical. He accuses her of cheating on him with Dale, her actual husband, all the while he was giving who knows how many other ladies the business behind her back.

I mean, John Redcorn is the father, but dale is Joseph’s daddy.

Dale wasn't Joseph's father, but he was his daddy. And he loves him. That's all that matters.

-Sleeps with married woman. -Doesn’t get to raise his kid. -WELL IF IT ISN’T THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS!

While I am not fully Native American, I do have quite a bit in me, my grandmother being pretty visibly native american. And even I get pissed off at John, especially when he goes on about actions his ancestors did. Noone can control what their people did in the past, and the mentality of treating people like they can has always urked me. Im with you on this one shady

I always hated guys that knowingly sleeps with another man’s wife, especially when the husband is obviously in love with said woman. Poor Dale.

In the words of yondu “He may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy.”

I watched this episode this morning, having never seen King of the Hill before. Honestly, it felt like the joke was that John Redcorn was just a selfish jerk trying to exploit the whole situation so that he, personally, could profit. I mean, he wanted hundreds of thousands of acres turned over to him. Not his tribe. Not divided between all survivors. He thought that he, and he alone, should be allowed to profit. Aside from that, he was clearly trying to turn a systemic issue into a personal one. It wasn't that lots of people were denied the chance to accumulate generational wealth. It was that he, personally, was owed a bunch of land. I'd honestly love to see an episode where he had to interact with other Native Americans.

I actually admire the way they did John and Dale. It's a fairly nuanced look at real parent vs biological parent. Dale's certainly not the best father in the world but it's not for lack of trying and he dearly loves Joseph and Nancy. John meanwhile did a bad thing and he's a whiny, entitled, self-aggrandizing selfish man, but he's not a terrible person either. Actually, this whole show was pretty good at nuance where all the characters felt like real people.

"Wait a second...I'm black! I can make fun of whoever I want!" This had me laughing so hard, my stepdad came in to see if I was okay.

Invades marriage, colonizes uterus. Spends life concealing it, fails to confess his own sins.

Does anyone remember the episode where Bill gets married to a woman with two children? Dale notices the daughter and finds out that she has a lot of similarities with Joseph, later revealing that the daughter is Dales. Then when Dale tells John to cheat on Bills wife, John instantly recognizes the lady, of course showing that her daughter is Johns daughter. Just how many women has John dated?

John should not have interfered between Bobby and Hank's relationship with Thanksgiving. Their relationship has nothing to do with what happened. He should've made Nancy choose who she was going to be with and get visitation by having a maternity test done. He has options just chose to not take accountability for his actions.

I'm surprised there was no mention of Hank telling John Redcorn "She didn't leave you for (Dale), she married (Dale) two years before she met you". It's a line that best sums up why John Redcorn was in the wrong.

Him comparing his situation with Joseph to the colonisation of his people is honestly disgusting.

What gets me is that in a future episode, Dale admits he knows about the affair but he stays with Nancy to spite Redcorn (or something to that effect)

I'm 2 years late, but John Redcorn is actually from the Puebloan tribe. The Anasazi are the ancestors of the Puebloans but vanished entirely during the Middle Ages. What caused their disappearance remains unknown.

If John Redcorn really wanted Joseph as his son so badly he would of pressed his claim years ago when Joseph was just a baby. But he didn't so nobody at all should feel sorry for him

John: I took your wife. Dale: I took your son.

John Redcorn is a scumbaggy selfish hypocritical character that said he at least has a couple of positive traits. Not sure if he is the worst but he is definitely close to the top. Man its an amazing show.

I am Native American myself I can honestly say you are so right about this character. In the end John still lost to white ppl the fact that Nancy was never gonna leave dale and claimed him as the father of Joseph should’ve been enough for him to break it off with her she only used him for lust there was no way she would’ve ever been his wife cause I saw the episode where they were gonna have an affair again I just asked myself why didn’t she just leave dale someone had pointed out the laws of Texas when it comes to divorce that she wouldn’t have to pay a lot of alimony idk personally I think she would’ve been ashamed Nancy is another very selfish character I don’t like either.

Nancy absolutely did not deserve Dale. He might have been a conspiracy nut, but he was pure.

If you think about it Dale wins in the end -Nancy Ultimately chooses him over John -Joseph idolizes and adores him -He has a good life overall despite being a insane conspiracy nut Dale has a good live

John might be Joseph's biological father but Dale will always be his dad

What I like about John Redcorn (as a character) is that he has a very real mindset: He perceives things that actually ARE valid issues, but hyper-personalises them to a level where you can no longer take these issues seriously. Examples from the video: The white Americans really did screw over the Native Americans, that's a real issue. John takes it to the level of acting like they personally screwed over HIM, which is inane. John really is in a complex and painful situation with the Gribbles, but he takes it to the level of "I am the only person suffering here" which is absurd. I've seen people do this SO many times in real life, and it makes him feel so much like a real person. However, just like I hate the people who do this in real life, it makes me hate John. John is a fantastic character and nothing but props to the KotH team because it does make you think... but he's a terrible human being, and so I don't think anyone (myself included) would rank him among their favourites. With most KotH characters, you can explain them as "Character X has Negative Trait Y, but deep inside they're a good person." You can't say that with John Redcorn, because 'deep inside', he's a narcissist who can't admit that anything negatively effecting him isn't being done entirely out of personal malice against him.

Dale LOVES Joseph. He's a bit strange, but he would do anything for Joseph. John needs to back the hell down.

“She cheated? Hank, I knew about Nancy and John Redcorn. I knew about them the day Joseph was born. But everyday since he was born I’ve been taking my revenge. He loves me. John Redcorn will never get that. He’ll never hear his boy tell him that. Joseph will go to his grave loving me and never do much as looking in John Redcorn’s direction. His children, his grandchildren, they’ll love me too Hank. And they’ll never know Redcorn existed. That’s revenge Hank.” -Dale Thank you to whoever posted that on 4chan.

I'm native American and I never did like redcorn. He's just sooo full of bs.😂 And never felt bad for him He chose not to be in Joseph's life until it was too late .

If I stole all that land would I be living on a dang 1/8th of an acre. Line of the episode.

"That kid is a freaking mystery." Bobby is a national treasure.

"Wait a second, I'm black! I can make fun of whoever I want!" That had me rolling. I love when YT's recommended videos are this good.

Dale is batshit insane but he's an amazing father and does make effort to be a good husband

John getting an ally in the form of Bobby, then blowing him off immediately on seeing Joeseph made me go "what the fuck" out loud.

The sad thing is Dale actually helped him get back some of his people's land.

I still hate Nancy more as at least John suffers consequences for his actions of not seeing his son etc. But Nacy gets off Scott free and gets to keep her son/ marriage.

lol, I joke about my ancestors being cannibals, and about eating people if they piss me off. An old lady I used to work with a few years ago even taught me a joke in our native language about eating people, wish I remembered it.

"Canibalism was a long time ago... but colonialism still counts" . Terrible human being

Hank: who changed Joseph diapers you or some alien!?! Dale: I did Hank: and who took Joseph to his first day of kindergarten!?! Dale: I did Hank: and who taught Joseph to tie his shoes!? Dale: John Redcorn Hank: uh ok but who taught him to ride a bike? Dale: John Redcorn, he taught Joseph and Joseph taught me

I'm native American..and I dislike him as well

Dale: "hey do your people celebrate thanksgiving?" Redcorn: "we did, once."

Wait so John Redcorn's ancestors where Wendigo?

My take on John Redcorn is this: if he really loved Joseph and wanted to be his father he would be willing to sacrifice his relationship with Nancy for that. He would be willing to bear the burden of being the guy who hurt everyone by making the secret public.

King of the Hill is legitimately a masterclass in interpersonal relationships. The characters have more depth than the majority of shows tbh, and they're very human when you get past the jokes.

2:52 this is such a refreshing way of describing it. instead of calling them “snowflakes” shady simply acknowledges that some issues are too personal for some people.

I can’t say John Redcorn is the “worst” person in that show because everyone in the show has some awfulness in some ways and some fine qualities to compliment them. But yeah, he is pretty hard to find a reason to like him.

He doesn't just have an illegitimate son, he also has an illegitimate daughter by another woman. And who knows how many more there might be out there with the way he gets around.

For me, it's simple. Cotton is intentionally written as a reprehensible person, so you always see him as a caricature, not as a real person. John Redcorn, however, is written as someone who is supposed to engage on a relatable way with the main characters, which make his faults (his lying, his being an absentee father, etc) all the more despicable.

Anyone notice how ironic it is for John Redcorn to drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee?

RIP RUSTY SHACKLEFORD

One thing that's great about the show: every character is a genuine believable human being.

“Wait a second, I’m black” That one guy in the boomdocks that thought her was white

As many times as it's been said, it's amazing how far ahead of it's time this show was.

I feel like Dale actually knows that his wife had the affair and chooses not to acknowledge it. he leaves it because, although he's not biologically his son, he still raised the boy. Dale figures that it's punishment enough for his wife to have to deal with holding that in, and Redcorn has to live with knowing that he will never truly be the father for his child. Dale is the one that raised that child and taught him everything he knows, and redcorn knows that damn well.

Also, let's not forgot JOHN REDCORN HAS A DAUGHTER THE SAME AGE AS JOSEPH that both he and Nancy know about. however, he doesn't try to get into that child's life either. Therefore, in my mind, he's more infatuated with Nancy moreso than being a father to Joseph. 😫 ALSO also, Bill was willing to raise the daughter, which makes TWO people he knows that would be raising both his children "unwittingly". So yeah, that's the crux of my disdain for Redcorn.

Plot twist: Dale knew Redcorn was having a affair with his wife. But purposely acted stupid and decided that the perfect revenge was raising Joseph as his son better than Redcorn will ever be.

Shady, you're a real one for making this video.

Redcorn: "I waited for 2 1/2 hours....." DUDE! Joseph LOVES his bike. Loves to use it anytime he is able too. And IF he did accepted your ride to take him home, he STILL has to get his bike back! GOD!!!

As a Native American i absolutely hate JR. I also don’t like the victim mentality he has, I don’t like the manipulation, I don’t like anything about him. And as someone with a dysfunctional family, I hate him for only wanting to be apart of Joseph’s life after he and Nancy broke up. (Edit): I am not, speaking for all natives when I say this. This is just from my experiences.

Reminders: He got another child he don’t want to spend time or try to pursuit

Shady: “But before we dive into exactly what makes John Redcorn the worst human being that ever existed;” Ezra Miller, Hitler, and Dan Schneider: Hold our Beers.

Another moment that really cements John's scummyness is when Dale catches him climbing over the tractor into Nancy's window and tells him to get in there and massage his wife. Then Redcorn says "He's kind of taking the fun out of this." Not only is it funny but it shows that Redcorn actually takes pleasure not just sexually, but he enjoys the thrill of backstabbing his friend.

The episode in where Dale is getting personal with a pigeon exterminator, and Nancy was getting jealous with him even telling him not to go out with her. Dale just tell her that he never told her not to go out with Red Corn, and she didn't have nothing to say.

Thing is Dale does know. He mentions in passing that Joseph was a 'miracle' because the doctors told him he was sterile. Dale is willing to go along because HE wants a son. And it gives him vengeance against Redcorn, everything on paper says Joseph is his. So Redcorn has to watch a man he considers his inferior in every way raise his son, because he was to much a coward to support Nancy enough to divorce Dale and marry him. They played it off like he was just clueless, but he snickers when Redcorn drives up that episode.

John Redcorn is bad, sure. I still can’t forgive Buckley for his crimes against propane.

I'm from the south and the reason he's never referred to as just "John" is because a lot of southern people share the same simple names like Bill and John. We refer to a lot of people by their full names except for immediate friends, like they do in the show

It’s honestly pretty messed up that everyone in the neighborhood knows about the affair but none of Dale’s supposed friends have the decency to tell him.

To quote "Fonzie" about living in the past (and digging up past) ...."People who live in the past are usually DEAD."

"I can excuse misogyny, but i draw the line at reparations..."😅

No matter how crappy John is we can all appreciate Dale as a god tier father

There's an early Season One episode that reveals even Bobby knew. Joseph: That's a queen ant. My dad has one on his work truck. Bobby: You mean Mr. Gribble? Joseph: Yeah, my dad.

Personally I love how delusional John Redcorn is 😂

Offers 12 acres. Do the math on that. 8 homes per acre. 96 homes. 96. Homes. Passive income, money from selling homes. Never turn down 12 acres.

He's really well written, actually. Yeah, he does shitty things but this is absolutely how a lot of "playboys" entering their 40's act. He got all the women (he cheated on Nancy while she was cheating with him. Ha) he wanted, partied, dreamt of making it big as a musician and lived in a trailer making a living off "new age healing" when he himself makes it obvious several times he doesn't believe in it. Suddenly, he's 40 and it really starts to dawn on him that he has *no* legacy so he tried to shoehorn himself into Joseph's life. Like "I made something! Look!" because everything else he's done in the last 20 years were very shallow, instant gratification antics. Make him white and add 50lbs, he's the high school quarterback at your 30 year reunion who's been to prison because of "the man" and has a great deal for you to get in on. (it's not a pyramid scheme! It's a triangle!)

You know, I just realized John Redcorn was the only one trying to sue the government. Either he didn't contact other members of his tribe to see if they were interested, or he did, but none of them were interested. I feel like that says something about his character as well. He wanted the thousands of acres for himself either way.

Not to mention in one episode Peggy was getting healed by John Redcorn and John told Hank something like dont worry i’ll never heal your wife the way I heal other people’s wives. So he may have cheated with more than just Nancy. He also ended up getting back together with one of his exs and raising his daughter, i think the ex at the time was dating Bill

Mike Judge is a prophet from the future. Change my mind.

in my head canon, "wait a second, i'm black" is a parody on The Boondocks' "wait a second, i'm white"