WHY I DIDN'T LIKE BATMAN (1989) 

I do wonder if they picked Prince because he had a contract with Warner music and was heavily connected to purple (a color the Joker is also connected to). :)

bro that shit was heat

man i bought all three soundtracks to it sooooooooooooooooo good xD

No

Also the movie is good , not everyone has to like it.

If there’s one thing I liked it’s the visuals

I 100% agree it’s beautiful and dark just what Gotham is

Yeah best looking Gotham city ever

@@madddoggnogood1491 Only thing that rivals it is the Gotham show, for me. Really captures the grittiness and dark tone.

Don't watch it in 4k then. You can see so many of the flaws in the sets. Personally I like that but it can really t you out of the film

Love the Reuenthal profile pic

I agree with you

I agree with you. I saw the movie in the theatre when it first came out. I remember liking it when I was a kid. But now, anytime I make an attempt to watch it, I end up turning it off halfway through. I don't know why. But just can't force myself to watch it. But yeah, it was very influential for later Batman movies. And I do think that the 89 Batman movie has the best Batman costume and Batmobile.

@Luke Allin Less so bad and more so redundant. What good aspects of its plot, character and performance have been done better elsewhere such as the sequel as well as Batman Begins doing a better job characterising Batman, Nicholson's Joker not holding up compared to Ledger's or Phoenix's, etc. to the point that, even with its good acting, there's nothing left it really excels at as a Batman film beyond aesthetic. Even on its own, when taking away the Batman iconography, you're left with a fairly average revenge plot and what interest could be found in the concept of the main duo creating each other is somewhat dampened by the film spelling this idea out very overtly. Bringing up its awards, fanbase and profit says nothing of the film's quality. That's the definition of the ad populum fallacy. Black Panther was nominated for an Oscar and grossed even more at the box office despite being at best mediocre and at worst a mess in terms of world building and character writing. If wanting to defend the film's quality, it's better to make genuine arguments rather than basing it on mass appeal.

@Luke Allin Films most certainly can be measured by objective standards, elements such as internal consistency, direction, acting, etc. You would be right in that how much value each element has to a film's overall quality is somewhat subjective, but it's clear they all connect to one's immersion within the film which can be used as a universal standard to measure a film's quality. The idea that "like = good, dislike = bad" is also a false one as many can acknowledge that a film they like is poorly made. It's the whole reason phrases like popcorn flicks and trash entertainment exist. That said, bringing up popularity is still a highly flawed metric as how much critical thought the average moviegoer put into analysing the quality of the film is debatable at best. More to the point, I never said that the film was bad, but that its elements being done better elsewhere (something you even partially agreed on) makes it redundant in a lot of ways as it raises the question of why watch it compared to one that does the same elements better? The Godfather comparison is a false equivalence as that's a direct sequel, not an alternate take. Now, onto your arguments as to the film's strengths, I'd agree that Keaton does a great job with what he's given, but wouldn't cite him as the best onscreen Batman. Leaving aside the comic inaccuracies of his portrayal compared to that of, say, Batman Begins', he lacks several important elements of other incarnations such as the training to rationalise his capabilities Batman Begins provides or as much examination into his broken psyche as Mask of the Phantasm. Being the most comic accurate Joker doesn't mean Nicholas had the best portrayal of him as a character, with Ledger doing a better job at displaying his psychopathy and chaotic nature whereas Phoenix was by far the most in-depth character study. I'll concede on your point about their symbiotic relationship though, even if I'd say The Dark Knight provides more complex ways to do so. I can agree with the point on the action as well (at least for the larger scale parts compared to Nolan's trilogy), though that is an undeniably surface level aspect compared to that of the plot and characters.

I understand that a lot of die-hard Batman fans like him a particular way, & while I do to an extent, I'm someone who enjoys Batman so much, I'm able to enjoy all sorts of different versions of him.

@@HandlesTheCyberman I personally don’t mind Batman killing. I think it gives him a bit of an edge.

@@HandlesTheCyberman I don't have a problem knowing The Joker's backstory in Elseworlds like White Knight and the same with Batman killing; however I have always felt that canon Batman and Joker are intended to be opposites in every way except sex and possibly race. Joker is the worlds worst mass murderer and a happy person that never lies about who he is or what he values, Batman holds all life as sacred, is brooding and miserable and a consumate liar.

@@samuelwilliams1619 A strange as it is given that Batman is so against killing. Versions of him that do just fits the aesthetic more than the character. Like Punisher Batman is just a really cool concept arguably because of the fact that that’s not the normal for him.

Comic Batman is really the only Batman I like tbh. Even Elseworld stuff

He is certainly much closer to the Joker as he was being written at the time and that version is how I always think of the Joker. it still bugs me that most of the Jokers after him wear clown makeup instead of taking that chemical bath and looking that way all the time. I also actually miss things like the killer joybuzzer and the acid lapel flower and the Joker Venom (renamed Smilex for some reason, I guess because instead of making it himself he just finds out about it and copies it, which is weird given that we're told his police file says he's skilled at chemistry).

@@LibraGamesUnlimited Letos joker got the acid bath

@@madddoggnogood1491 Yeah, and if not for the tats and metal teeth he would have been wonderful. Especially if they had worked in some of his classic gags. I would love to see what an R rated movie does with him finally being able to fire acid in someone's face or show the real effects of Joker Venom.

He's supposed to make fun of class and style imo. And Nicholson nails that. Ledger kinda does too but Nicholson's outfit portrays that beautifully. A completely insane person.

I like how they didn't make Jack's too dark so it was suitable for all ages and had the entire history of the character goofiness and all. Maybe he should've been a bit more composed but he was still good.

More like that Batman TAS is his favorite.

He is a hardcore batman fan he loves the animated series he loves the animated films and Arkham series and Gotham.

@@spider-manunknown9193 He just doesn't love Nolan Bat trilogy or the Tim Burton bat films.

His arguments are garbage.

@@backpackmatt His opinion is not garbage. I respect that he does not love the Burton batman film.

Maybe it's false memory or because it was at night I dint know

not at all. looks goofy AF.

@@phoenix21studios So glad your opinion means little 🤣. I loved it.

Not to mention, the "ordinary guy" thing was one comic which itself admitted it might not be his real origin since the Joker lies or doesn't remember things the same all the time. He doesn't have to be a failed comedian who was bullied into being the patsy in a robbery.

Erm... pretty sure joker has always been in the Mafia

@@axebomber2108 We have to remember that, first and foremost, the Joker is a highly ambitious criminal. He'd have to assimilate himself to the criminal underworld in some way if he wanted to gather enough resources for his schemes. It's not popular to say so, but I think this characteristic was given an ingenious spin in SUICIDE SQUAD. It makes perfect sense to me that the 21st-century Joker would style himself as a ghetto pimp, with Harley Quinn as his "hoe." It's the same "made man"/gun moll dynamic between Jack and Alicia, only updated. (Also, when they're in the Joker's nightclub/strip joint and the hip-hop music is playing in the background, the horn section is so prominent that the horns sound like circus elephants. It's perfect.)

Not true tim burton's batman 1989 is faithful to the comics not to the golden age batman era instead it's batman dc 27# from 1939-1940 and bob kane batman did kill multiple times with no remoise if he had to, he even killed the joker in his first run but it was revealed later joker survived faked his death and would continue chaos for the next decades the reason joker died in the 89 movie cause DC wasnt sure if jack nicholoson would come back to play him or if they was gonna use joker again if u read the original script most of bruce wayne/batman keaton arch is in it they also kept robin out cause it was to many characters but overall the final draft we got was the closet to the source material and jack nicholson joker is the best and original joker we got from any live action batman movie, even some of his brutal murders scenes came from 1939 era to the killing joke comics and his origin was told right but with so much studio interference alot got scrapped out and burton wanted to make sure his batman was kept a mystery as possible he didnt wanna do the batman origin but he did do the joker origin

@@sparkageddon3186 bob kane didn't create Batman. So whatever his fraudulent ass decided to do is irrelevant. A combo of Bill Finger and the editor is what established the no killing rule.

@@anthonygarcia8749 duh i know that i never said he didn't create batman i said its the beginning of bob kane era bill finger never gets the credit he deserves till this day I know my history to be a batman fan bill finger created 90% of the batman world

I just take the changes for what it is in the movie. It's a dang good flick and still one of my favorites.

I always look upon the later movies as being a slightly adjacent alternate Earth. It's similar in some of the events and people but different in others. It's the only way they work.

Actually the Alfred and Commissioner Gordan actors are the only two who stuck it out for all 4 😆 True professionals

@@Sorel2020 Not true professionals it was more like they either wanted the money or they were trying to at least keep consistency in the universe. I don't want to disrespect them, they were great actors and I love them. But most smart actors left the project after Batman Forever or when Schumacher took control of the project

Batman and Robin may not be the best movie - in fact, it just might be the worst Batman movie - but it DID lead to some awesome action figures. The black and silver suits from the final act of the movie looked so good.

@@Sorel2020 That is true, although poor Gordon got more and more marginalized as the series progressed to the point he became Nigel Exposition to him.

You can always watch the show *"Pennyworth"* if you want to see Thomas Wayne as a young adult. It's a solid show.

Thomas Wayne, when comic fans are suddenly ok with Batman killing people.

@@axebomber2108 - We weren't OK with it when he made Bane snap Alfred's neck in front of young master Damian in *City of Bane* ... I guess since we didn't see much of him in Flashpoint, fans kinda idealized Thomas Batman, but we've seen what happens if Bruce crosses the line. He isn't Batman anymore, Batman has the trust of Jim Gordon, the Justice League, the Bat-family and of course, Alfred. He'd become the Grim Knight, and would need to put an explosive chip in Alfred's neck to prevent him from leaving, would need to force Harvey Dent into helping him, etc etc I know you weren't serious ^^ just felt like ranting a bit.

Wasn't that the whole idea? Jack was not only fooling around with his woman but quietly taking over his gang. It was always my impression that he was just a step or two away from just taking over and he knew it, which was just another reason why he sent him into an ambush.

I don't know, did you see that quote by one of the producers? I forget who it was but she described the movie as a solar-powered god (Supergirl) and two idiots (Keaton's Batman and the Flash). I don't have a good feeling for how they're going to write him and, overall, I would much rather they just did the real Flashpoint story. This is one of these movies where the more I hear the less I want to see it.

@@LibraGamesUnlimited Shit. I haven't seen that If it turns out like that I'm gonna be fucking pissed. Feels like its going to try and be a female empowerment movie

@@jonger2408 Yeah, I saw it online, might be able to track it down but it sounds like they're going to make Supergirl the main character and it's not even the Supergirl everyone knows and loves, its an alternate version most people don't even know and fewer even care about.

@@LibraGamesUnlimited What a load of fucking shit. The movie is about the flash, it's literally got his name in the title. If they wanna make a supergirl movie they should name it supergirl. I'm also really pissed that if what's being said is true, and Keaton is to be an idiot then it's just destroying the Tim Burton lore. Keaton's Wayne/Batman was one of the most intelligent Bruce Waynes, he was a chemist n shit and not many other Bruce Waynes were IIRC. I won't be watching the Flash movie anymore. I just hope that if there's gonna be a live action Batman Beyond series with Keaton as the main character, so no Terry, it won't be a fucking female empowerment story

@@jonger2408 I'll hold out a little bit of cautious optimism perhaps. If only because Michael Keaton really doesn't need the work or the money. Can't believe he would just come back to play Batman again if he knew the role was going to be garbage.

Good points. I think it just has a lot of little flaws that, in retrospective, have added up and made it seem worse than it really is over time. For example; Batman killing, Joker murdering Bruce’s parents, Joker’s boner chase for Vicki Vale. To me, these all hinder the quality of what is in reality a fantastic film that paved the way for every single comic book movie as we know it after. People actually took Batman and comics seriously because of Tim Burton’s work. The art design, acting, and music are all pretty phenomenal and unique- sure as hell standing out in the crowd of bland superhero movies we have now.

@@filmaticpictures9693 lastly the thing I just noticed that annoyed me….was that he had the word murderer beside Batman on the thumbnail. My reaction was the same as Pam’s from the office when they questioned Jim for giving her employee of the month. To try to justify it she said that she did double her sales, then Andy sarcastically asked from 1 to 2? Then they did a cut of way of Pam saying “yep”! He killed people in the movie….so what. Movies can have different interpretations of characters. The Superman we see in InJustice isn’t the Superman we are accustomed to….(he’s much more interesting but that’s another argument). Also the killing Joke came out in 1988 and Frank Miller’s work on Batman was in 1986, so this is a time(1989) where creators are molding Batman to the Batman we know. Before then In the early Batman comics he was Batman in look only, his personality didn’t resemble anything we currently know Batman for. He was more similar to the Batman portrayed in the Super friends cartoon. So I’ll give the writers and the director a pass if they didn’t nail every aspect of Batman at that time.

@@TrueAnakinSkywalker but you don't need to give the writers a pass. This isn't a different interpretation of the character. They didn't get it wrong Like Vee erroneously claims. Batman actually kills. A lot. A LOT. In the main canon timeline of comics. I'm not talking about elseworlds or just the golden age comics. But from the 60s through to the present day. From 1969 to 1988 (during production before the movie was made) Batman killed a lot of people in the comics. Here's just a few examples: 1969 - Brave/Bold 84 - Batman throws a grenade into a plane full of Nazis. Then later blows up an entire platoon. 1970 Batman 221 - throws a guy off of a building to his death 1970 DC 395 - Batman kills Dolores & Juan Muerto Brave/Bold 90 - knocks a guy out and leaves him unconscious to drown in the ocean, bragging that he "hasn't lost his touch" Batman 235 - douses a mad scientist in his own deadly chemicals and stands there watching him die with satisfaction Batman 270 - crushes a man to death under a giant statue Batman 271 - throws a grenade into a room full of cultists 1976 Detective Comics 455 - kills a vampire by destroying his heart Detective Comics 480 - Batman fights a villain called The Fighting Machine and literally beats him to death. Brave/bold 127 - lets a criminal drown at sea, shows no remorse observing the drowned body 1977 Batman 288 - Penguin is shooting at Batman who grabs a henchman as a human shield Batman 290 - Batman electrocutes Skull Dugger to death Brave/bold 157 - Batman rescues a senator from a criminal. He causes the criminal to crash the helicopter. Batman saves the senator but leaves the criminal in the exploded wreckage Batman 337 - Batman knocks a guy off a cliff, proclaiming that the criminal probably wanted to die. Brave/Bold 159 - Batman intentionally turns a Henchman into a permanent piece of Crystal Detective comics 517 - kills a crook he once sent to jail "The Doomsday Book" Detective #572 - Batman kills some henchmen, specifically using one as a meat shield to avoid gunfire from an Uzi. B/B 195 - kills another Vampire Batman Year Two - tries to kill Joe Chill. Putting a gun to his head. But Reaper kills him first. Then after Reaper accuses Batman of being a killer, he falls to his death. Batman withdraws his hand, deciding not to save him. Son of the Demon - blows up a helicopter with multiple people inside. Electrocutes an assassin. Action Comics Annual 1 - Batman kills another Vampire Batman No. 425 (1988) - Batman intentionally dropped a mountain of cars on a gangster in a junkyard. Cosmic Odyssey 1988 - Batman kills a Paradaemon with a laser gun Legends of The Dark Knight 1 - knocks an assassin off of a cliff A Death in the Family (1988-1989) - last issue - batman commits attempted murder. Tries to kill Joker in the helicopter fight. Is undeniably outraged to find out he seemingly survived and Superman has to calm him down. "The Messiah of the Crimson Sun" - Batman blows up Ra's al Ghul on a spaceship. Watching his ashes scatter. Even offering a pithy observation right after Robin exclaims "you killed him!" Batman: The Cult 1988 - Batman mows someone down with a submachine gun. Blows up a henchman. Convinces the cult members to kill their leader. Robin suggested that they should save the cult leader, but Batman stops him. 10 Nights of the Beast - locks KGBeast up to starve to death. Jim Starlin wrote it so Batman killed KGBeast in Batman Vol 1 #420 June, 1988

@@orinanime you do realize that detective comics reboots their comic continuity every other Wednesday right? I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that what your referencing is material that is no longer considered in continuity or Canon with the character. Most likely. Or you might be totally correct. I don't know I can't be bothered to keep up with DC in terms of their continuity at this point. It changes so often and practically means nothing.

@@JudgeSpektre i am aware that DC reboots their continuity a lot. And at this point it averages to approximately one reboot per decade overall. But that doesn't negate my point. It just reinforces it. It shows that there are multiple examples from every continuity.

It's against both Batman's morals _and_ intelligence, as telling Ra's al-Ghul that you want to kill him but leaving him to his fate without making sure he's dead before you go runs the risk of an angry Ra's coming back like last night's chili surprise...especially in his case, since even if you actually could guarantee that he died after you left, if his followers get to his remains before you, he'll get a bath in the Lazarus Pit, and come out good as new and twice as out for revenge!

@@CoryPchajek #AllSuperheroesAreBastards?

To be fair he killed in the Golden Age

@@kenthegamer I just love how the prototype era of Superman in which he doesn't fly and Batman in which he doesn't have a moral code is called their Golden Age because it was first when it's not so much their peak as working the bugs out to create the characters we know and love today (for Batman, those growing pains would last until about the time that Denny O'Neil popped in iirc).

@@autobotstarscream765 Great point

Yes, a lot of people misinterpret that final scene. However, Batman does say to him "I'm going to kill you", and punches Joker in the face, knocking him over the edge, so I don't think he cared at that point if Joker lived or died.

Gotham is so bad that even the stuffed toys are jerks. They had it coming. :p

simply because it is.

I watched this again recently on HBO MAX and I still enjoy it a lot.

I consider you to be absolutely insane. J/k We like what we like lol

I respect your opinion, it is a very good movies but I like the Dark Knight and Batman Begins better, not the Dark Knight rises though as it's interesting and very good, just more boring parts of it.

Hmph. And I consider batman forever better then all of them. but ofc adam west beats them all

1) yes and 2) not a bad idea

You should do like a comparison of teen Titans and young justice. Also if u did one about who was your favorite robin and why. Or just a comparison of robins and the other members of the bat family

@DragonChaserKev That what I did, so he does like the movie suits bad.

> "We saw Batman the way the comics had him." > Film has Batman killing people without a second thought. Pick one

@@choueriito2548 Batman has killed in the comics before.

@@jtsleazeball2548 The only main timeline comics he has killed intentionally in the comics were the first few issues before that aspect of his character was swiftly retconned. His no-killing rule was both far more long-lasting and iconic to his character. By that logic of finding very temporary aspects in his long history as good comic accuracy, adding something like Ace the Bat Hound to the film would be considered a point of praise, yet I highly doubt anyone would be willing to argue that.

@DragonChaserKev it’s my least favorite by far. Keaton’s Bruce Wayne is laughable and I can’t stand this version of the joker

Why did you delete your other comment?

And golden age batman was boring as fuck so...

He killed people in like, three issues and then stopped. Batman's not suppose to kill

So? Superman used to not have flying powers, only jumping. When a character trait becomes iconic it shouldn't be discarded. This was more Tim Burton not knowing anything about Batman than him referencing a couple of obscure moments from 50 year old comics that none of the movie audience read.

@@LiveForFuntasy No it wasn't.

This Batman created the golden age Batman. Batman the animated series Batman a.k.a Kevin Conroy Batman.

That said the music for Batman Returns fit it to a T. I especially love that song by Sousie and the Banshees "Face to Face". It perfectly sums up the split personality theme that Catwoman AND Batman share.

@@LibraGamesUnlimited There is a rumour that at one point Siouxsie Sioux was considered to play catwoman but she was too old or declined i don't remember which one was. But yeah "Face to Face" is a great song not the best Siouxsie and the banshees song but the best theme for Catwoman. Sorry for my English. It's not my native language

@@daniels9663 It is perfect for the movie. The video is also very good, it's on here somewhere. She would have been really good judging by that video.

So you're saying you're only comfortable with the idea of sensual, sexual songs being applied to female characters.

It was originally supposed to be a collaboration between Michael Jackson and Prince. With Prince doing the Joker songs and Jackson doing Batman songs.

I think that Batman killing people is okay.

@@jonger2408 under cuts a lot of what makes him interesting

@@joeker5208 Yeah. But I mean, in both Tim Burton Batman movies when he kills people it's usually because they're really endangering civilians. Except those last guys when the Joker was doing the Waltz to Death with Vicki.

@@jonger2408 I can let it pass for the Burton films as a lot of those choices were made by Bob Kane who wanted to have more of the 1939 feel, and it’s done in an over the top fashion that doesn’t piss me off that much, it’s not as bad as say BvS

@@joeker5208 Yeah absolutely

It’s you buddy, it’s you

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Wow that’s different for sure but I respect it I think Batman forever is the most underrated Batman movie

I'm torn on that one. On the one hand I kind of liked the idea, but I can still see the issues with it. I now the comics tried it, for some reason years later, and there was such a backlash they had to change it pretty quick. I thnk it turned out Lex had given Batman the information (that Joe Chill was just another alias for the Joker, before becoming the Joker) and it turned out he lied. I think the whole thing was to try and push Batman into killing the Joker. Overall, I would much rather see it in a movie than in the comics themselves (unless it's an Elseworlds story or something).

@@LibraGamesUnlimited I agree. I would love to see that fully realized on the big screen.

Jay Leno played the Joker?

@@dustywaynemusic6297 There's not enough greasepaint in the world to cover that massive chin. :)

@@dustywaynemusic6297 I meant Leto. Lol. Thanks

Does that make the movie better or worse? I haven't seen it in so long I can't guess.

As much as I love 1989 I think I love Batman Returns more than 89 mainly because it featured my favorite villains at the time.

I feel like he would have been too young back then. He was perfect age around 1998

I can’t argue with that.

I can see why. I would think the reason they didn't do that (other than the Harvey thing) would be that Eckhart is on the take and get killed. wouldn't want to do that to poor Bullock.

1) you can change stuff in an adaptation but in this special case it makes the story less interesting because it becomes a simple vendetta for Batman where the Batman/Joker relationship is supposed to be way more than that. 2) Jack Nicholson just played like in all his other movies he acts the exact same way in the shining I don’t get why people think this performance is amazing. For me it’s like Johnny Depp, he plays really good but always the same kind of characters so eventually even if it’s good it becomes redundant.

@@melvinloir489 I understand what you're saying about it being simply a vendetta, but there's so much more crammed into 2 hours of screen time. We get to see the urban decay of Gotham, the ineptitude of the police who are either corrupt, or simply lack the funds to make a difference, we get to see Bruce Wayne for the first time as an eccentric billionaire and how he balances his personal life with his image. I think that Tim Burton really infused his personal aesthetic in the film while creating an origins story. And that's much more difficult than most people think. Anyway, it may be that I'm biased in favor of this film (I was just 11 when it came out and it was the movie of the year, that and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade), but it's still an amazing movie some 32 years later and it holds quite well against the Nolan trilogy.

And it could be argued that Begins did the same thing with Ra's Al Ghul. He was made part of Batman's origin. I can guarantee Begins is the first time Bruce joined the League of Shadows or any of Ra's organizations before becoming Batman, let alone being trained and inspired by Ra's(use your fears to fight criminality). They even pinned the corruption and crime in Gotham on the League of Shadows.

@@axebomber2108 Yes, both Batman and Batman Begins are great origins stories and have some common themes, but I prefer the 1989 Batman to be honest.

I'm in the opposite in that the first Batman movie I saw was the dark knight in theater when I was 12. I saw this one for the first time years later and just felt like it was kind of meh in comparison to Dark Knight

No!

I think for the Burton verse it was fitting that he kills

@Luke Allin it isn’t exactly that Burton didn’t take him seriously. It’s just that Burton isn’t a Batman fan. He has never even read a Batman comic, the writer of the Batman film is great, but Burton forced him to include a lot he didn’t want to. Also no, a Batman who kills, forsakes everything Batman is.

@@ColesFilmStuff It doesn't "forsake everything Batman is" Batman originally killed people and the reason he stopped was because comics were to get less violent It isn't Burton forcing people to do stuff. It was Bob Kane wanted Batman to be more like 1939 Batman.

@Luke Allin You’re making good point (even though your critizism of me doesn’t sit well). A Batman who kills is merely The Punisher. The fact that Batman ”kind of kills” the Joker (it might just have been an atempt to stop him from escaping) should give Batman the satisfaction of avenging the murders of his parents, which ultimatly should ”cure” him from the need of being Batman. And that logic is based on your interpretations and points. They try to talk around this fact when Robin enters the franchaise. For Batman to function as an on-going character he has to have a broader ”hate” towards criminals than merely seeking revenge. Also, to justify what he does, he needs to be better than the crooks he fights, meaning showing compassion and book’em by the law. This is how Nolan takes it seriously, because one could argue that a better way to fight crime is to be preventive instead of a reaction. In Nolan’s Batman Thomas Wayne did just that! He was a filantrop and it didn’t work. This justifies the reason for Batman to take it to the streets. Also gives the story a poetic justice-flair as he ”beats them at their on game”, with the only language they speak: the language of violence.

I like the young people......

He isn't sleeping. He's exercising.

Exercising. You never seen those setups for crunches?

😂😂😂

I can completely agree. For me, I only had the ‘66 re-runs of the show for live action. So seeing this movie as a teenager actually created my cinematic recognition of my generation’s Batman, and not my parents.

Exactly. Couldn’t have said it better myself. That’s one of the reasons why I take Batman 89 over Batman Returns anyday (in terms of a BATMAN movie).

Please tell me you're joking and he didn't actually say that

Yeah we're gonna need some evidence, Sir.

@@jonbourgoin182 13:32 - I am making an analogy. He doesn't like that Billy D Williams (a black man) played Harvey Dent, a white character. So he must hold the same views with Shawshank Redemption. I'm just pointing out how absurd his criticisms here of the movie are.

@@avace917 13:32 - what would the difference be?

... it’s like you didn’t even finish watching the video. Because that’s not what I said

Personally to me he shouldn’t

@@National7575 Yeah I get it. Especially the sequel, its more a Tim Burton movie than a Batman movie. That's why I still enjoy it. Everyone has their favorites, I find Keaton's Batman more interesting.

@@jwnj9716 I could let off this killing but I think it was too far in the sequel

@@National7575 Hehe yeah. It is a weird movie....and I love it! Penguin's death is very odd, you kinda feel bad. I guess it's because of Elfman's score. Very strange feeling. Lets not forget, Batman makes out with a zombie....

His no killing rule is such a big part of his character and just to go ignore that kinda feels wrong to me. Often the most interesting Batman stuff comes from his no killing rule, there’s been many moral dilemmas and character clashes that are really interesting that are often due to his no killing rule

I'm with you - Batman 89 is really overrated. Batman Returns was the superior film of the era. And even then, I prefer Batman Forever or even Batman and Robin over the Burton films lol They're all cheesy asf, though; if you want a good Batman movie you've got to go with the first two of the Nolan trilogy or with Batfleck.

@@hanburgundy4317 Absolutely agree with U, this movie has not aged well at all and people are just stuck with nostalgia and refuses to admit it's flaws. The Dark Knight Trilogy is so much better and many of today's generation come to know about Batman through this trilogy. If U want to introduce Batman to a new Fan, always recommend Batman Begins over this overrated movie!!

@@manehriimao2079 Is it really up to you to decide why people have different tastes than you? Everyone has different opinions and different tastes, don't be petty and try to denigrate other people's preferences for a movie you don't like.

Are you on acid?

Batman Returns was literally garbage

@@markmaher1098 it’s fine to have an opinion it was a good movie

@@James.row3 yet some people in these comments aren’t accepting vees

Batman Returns is not only a perfect movie, but a perfect Christmas movie.

I put "Batman Returns" on my Christmas movie list. :)

I see Jack's Joker as a little more like the classic Joker in the sense that it was before he was deconstructed by writers, he was simply a killer clown with deadly pranks.