Why I Install the Fluidmaster Better Than Wax Toilet Seal Over a Standard Wax Toilet Seal 

I spent years fighting this.... until I came up with this idea a year or two ago. SO common sense, so I decided to share it. LOL. Glad it was able to help you out.

If your flange is flush with the floor1Fluidmaster should suffice. That is how it How the fluid master is designed.

You can really use any cutter, even a box blade would work. I would not spend double on it.

@@TodayIWorkOnive always skip the extra foam if the flange is even with the floor , even though they advise you to use it.

I’ll take a look into that.

Very glad to hear!

Good to hear. When I install heated floors, I always use this rubber ring so the off chance the heat slowly melts the wax never happens. There’s nothing wrong with this type of seal. I personally moved on from wax. It’s messy and old school.

Mr. Johnny Van-Husani said your condoms always fail.

Yes, why go to the trouble of cutting that black extender when the wax is the perfect fit. Cheers.

@@CookieZ3353 Wax is messy and a one time install. If you have to redo the toilet or pick it up again, you need a new wax ring. Also, if you have radiant heat in your floor, the heat can melt the wax. That's why I like the non wax rings.

I'm 66 and have to take the easy route with the wax ring.

Yup. Hope you have a good seal, if not you know what to do. 😬

you may notice some smell, in my case that why i get ... so thinking to double it with blue

Yes sir. Thanks for the thoughtful comment.

Oh.

The beauty of life, we can choose what we like! Enjoy your wax!

Pay to what? Be in their presence? Quite a bit. I’m very expensive.

A pro’s pro. Throw up a video. I’m eager to see the magic happen.

its rubber, which naturally is something that seals. Think about washers all over the world that are compressed a little bit. This is the same theory, where the foam acts as the driving force up on to the toilet ring and creates a seal. The only way the seal can break is a breakdown on the foam, but I'm assuming that's not going to fail since it was engineered for a toilet.

It should never leak. If it does the initial install failed. 😕

@@TodayIWorkOn yeah it was good for a couple months and just now started again. My floor I my bathroom is pretty bad though. I’m just gonna try her again until I can work on what’s probably the real problem. Thanks 👍

Caulk 100%, but leave the back uncaulked. It's cleaner and stronger of a hold. The nuts on the toilet flange are not what holds the toilet in place, it's the caulk. Back in the day plumbers used to mix plaster of Paris under a toilet to set it.

Nope, just one.

@@TodayIWorkOn the one i bought came with a thick one and a thin one and you could stack them if needed

@@joshsoorlin579​​⁠correct. But, a lot of times, like this example, adding the extra seal made the toilet too high and the toilet will rock off the seal. Once you experience it, you will understand this video.

Nope. What usually happens is you pull the flange and bend it. The foam is so dense the small bolts do not have the strength to pull the toilet down. You can even sit on the toilet with a flange higher than it should be and the toilet will rock like a seesaw. You can also use a utility blade to cut the excess foam material if you don’t have a grinder. Makes sure you use a sharp blade and be careful you don’t cut your fingers.

No because if you tighten it to tight it'll Crack the porcelain toilet. Then you would have replace the entire toilet. You never want to tighten down a toilet to tight. Just maybe a few turns once it's hand tight.

Well my flange is steel .. i yanked out the nails holding it down and put in coarse threaded screws. I also used bigger washers on the hold down bolts for wider pressure area on the procelain. It compressed the foam spacer and the toilet is flat on ground and steady as a rock.

I battled with this product along with the red Korky wax free version for days. Both were leaking. I really didn't want to use the messy wax ring, but it solved my problem. I was tryiing to squash down on the toilet but it just sat too high and rocked like a see saw. I really wanted the wax free setup, but in the end, the wax ring solved my problems. Now that I watched your method of cutting the thicker spacer, I may have done it. Too late now, I'm not going back in. I just don't understand why they would sell a product that instantly needs modification.

I’m interested to know… why? The flange contacts the toilet flange and has nothing to do with the concrete.

@TodayIWorkOn I've used these before and have not had success, especially in older homes where the wooden floor was out of level. At least when it starts to leak, it will be on concrete and not cause too much damage.

Seems like if you use the rubber you don’t use wax at all

He only uses a rubber on his dog Brownie.

If the rubber hits the toilet and you have no leaks, you should be fine.

@TodayIWorkOn yeah so far so good no leaking so I I'm thinking it's good but kept the spacer just incase

@@jasonhorn5976 any updates, I just did the same thing after getting a leak with the spacer.

@wilsua o issues and it's been about 2 weeks

@@jasonhorn5976 Thanks for the reply, seems like the spacer isn't needed for flush mounted flanges. So far so good gonna test for a few more days before caulking.

Not many people picked up how dangerous it was the way he cut the spacer. Obviously not a professional and I hope he doesnt get people hurt and cause more leaking toilets !

He meant well. But I agree... super dangerous and there are obviously people out there that would try that. I've been a plumber for a long time and never used that product. And now that I've watched this... I never will.

The rubber needs to hit the bottom of the toilet or it will leak. There needs to be some sort of compression going on to eliminate a leak. Good luck with it!

I’m not sure it would be high enough and it would mean buying 2 packages, while one would suffice. That’s why they have the extender ring in the box.

@@TodayIWorkOn $20.00 for two packs is a lot faster and less money than buying the cutter you had to use. Plus the two blue seals fit perfectly. I had the same problem, and using two worked great.

@@truthseekerKJValways more than one solution to a problem! Ps- you can never have enough tools. 😬.

@@truthseekerKJV if you don’t own an angle grinder, then cut it with a knife. $10 more is not easier, you had to work 30 minutes to an hour to earn that in your paycheck. And it takes one minute to cut.

What’s better? That’s a debate with no answer really. It’s what people prefer.

Siliconized grout caulk, 100%.

Sound advice.

I couldn't believe how close his hand was what a knucklehead

@@annhopkin5079 it's amazing how a knucklehead like me can still have 10 fingers after being in the trade for 26 years! Pure luck some would say.

@@TodayIWorkOn oh sorry!!! Mr knucklehead. But the video is for novices also, and it was super crazy dangerous! I'm glad you still have 11 knuckles!!!😉

Doing the same thing. The spacer didn’t compress either. Time for the angle grinder to adjust that thing down.

Crap, already have….

Code says flange sits on top of finished floor, which means the blue part of the no wax ring will work perfectly. The issue is, in a lot of cases, it’s way lower. That’s why we have the added black extension piece.

Been installing them for over 6 years and I’ve never had a failure. If I were you I would contact Fluidmaster and send it back to them to investigate to see what exactly happened to the rubber.

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Niceeee. Wax is cool, just messy and does not hold up to heated floors very well.

LOL. Low budget filming, I gotta improvise. Once I get to Mr.Beast numbers I'll get a crew to help.

Please tell me how much experience do you have with this particular rubber ring. I’m interested to know. The issue with this system is the toilet usually floats off the floor because the rubber can’t compress as much as it should, like in this instance. Wax rings don’t work well with radiant heat, which is what I have here in this floor. Since I like to make sure my clients have toasty feet, I do not use wax for the simple reason. You need to be 12+ inches away from the ring with your heating element. Lastly, if you are aware rubber is not going to destroy a metal cut off blade 🤣. Are you sure you do this for a living?

Whew. This post feels intense with passion. Are you a mechanical engineer? I’d love to hear the engineering behind your post. Did you know wax is a one time install? Once you move the toilet it or rock it, the wax gets disturbed and loses its initial water tightness.