Judging an entire companies ethos based on a few anecdotes out of millions of people over several decades is nothing more than trendy "successful company is evil" BS. It's basically just a meme that people have turned into an insane stereotype they can use to sound virtuous and socially conscious without having to do any actual mental work.
@@NautilusGuitarsExactly with me hiring people. I had ONE negative interaction with ONE person I hired versus EVERY SINGLE PERSON I HIRED AND BOOM! Entire Godot Reddit jumping down my throat siding with the guy I hired.
When I had to move and needed to make money fast, Amazon paid really well. They were 5 hour shifts so they worked around my other job(I was an assistant manager at the time so that was difficult), they hired me on the spot under the condition I'd pass a drug test and they actually paid higher than I got when I was a general manager for entry level work. I didn't think the working conditions were great, but because the first week was "training" I pretty much only worked there for 2 weeks on the floor and got the money I needed so it was worth it.
Its actually not that blizzard pays badly or amazon pays better, its that pretty much every company skimps on pay raises. So if you stay in a single place too long, they won't ever give you a raise, and you'll find out the only way to get your pay up to standard is to keep jumping from job to job. The guy working on amazon for 10 years probably earns the same thing as the guy working on blizz for 10 years, which is less than the guys who barely got there.
Well you have to remember that different departments always have different cultures. I can use the warehouse job I had during my first two years of college. The people out on the factory floor were subject to what I felt was pretty horrible work conditions with nobody really caring for anyone else and management being probably the root of the problem. However, just across the wall into the warehouse our working conditions were amazing in comparison. It was a refrigerated warehouse so that was horrible, but the people were all the difference. Everyone in the warehouse had the opinion that we all know the job sucks, the least we can do is always help eachother to make it not suck. Obviously that doesn’t speak for all warehouses or factory floors, of course, but it’s always a perspective to think about.
white and blue collars get treat differently, just like market place vs web service. Everything even out to make the AVERAGE stats seemed great on paper, as well as paying zero fed taxes.
@@rovvy221they pay taxes. It's a published fact. People like Bernie sanders just claim otherwise to use the company as a whipping boy for their agenda
Wait your dad's Joeyray Hall? What a guy! That impeccable cinematics quality for so many games. Met him once, Worldwide Invitational Paris 2008, on a big screen over part of the show floor they had a reel of all the old cinematics playing, and he happened to be wandering past just as it had the intro to the Terran campaign of original Starcraft on. I sidle up and match the line as it plays: "Whatchu got for me out there Joeyray?" and then awkward thanks for many fond memories.
“ it’s a legendary company because, people put legendary amounts of effort into it. “ Damn near every company in current times Glad you found a better employment! 💪🏾💯
not if you dont get a reward for doing that@@m0nookiE, at least in the beginning they had the pride of shipping good games, but later not even that, they put a lot of effort on adding stuff they didn`t want in the game because they knew players would hate, but where still forced to do it
@@m0nookiEThe problem is that these companies make their employees work long hours for low pay on the basis that they should feel privileged to be able to work at this "legendary" company. But the reason that the company is legendary is because its employees have put in a tremendous amount of work in order to build that reputation, so making it seem like it's a favour the company has done to the workers and not the other way around is disingenuous.
No it’s not. Lol He has a clear, deep tone. Vocal fry is when you close up your vocal chords and force air through a tiny space causing a gravely, quiet, annoying character
Your dads work really was one of the highlights of my childhood. Im sure he hears it often, but Im glad he did that work so I could have those memories.
What you want is for them to get paid and benefits like it’s a career but that will never be a career but simply a hourly job and that’s exactly how they should be paid just like any unskilled worker. If you are 30 and still unskilled hourly labor than that’s on you and shut up.
@@waynewayne9693 You are acting way uncool, sure its not a crazy job, but it needs to be done. If all those workers had better careers, you would not be getting your packages. Same goes for other "unskilled" jobs.
@@waynewayne9693 your acting very edgy rn lmao it would be nice if amazon could treat them like human beings, im not asking for them to have 999k a year salaries but like let them use the bathroom and have breaks, i mean even the kids in ethiopia mining lithium get more breaks than amazon workers at this point
I work in a job for several years getting paid hardly anything (I could barely make my car payments and rent each month if I ate nothing but ramen it was that bad) and I had no medical benefits. Worked from 9PM until 9AM six days a week. It wasn't until I had to take a bereavement leave that I was allowed any time off and my bosses all told me, "Do you really need three days off for bereavement? Your grandmother is dead nothing you can do about it." And that was when I put in my two week notice and left. Got hired right away by a different place which had normal business hours, I got paid a living wage, I actually got to see my friends and family, and I was treated like a human. If you're out there dealing with shitty work conditions and being treated like a cog in a machine, know that they need you more than you need them. Always be looking for the next job, because YOU deserve to be treated like a human.
@@goldenhate6649 I still hear horror stories about people who work in their corporate offices. It's not the same type of stress obviously, but it still doesn't sound like a great place to work.
@@mowkikowski true. their corporate can't be that good if mgmt is forcing their workers return to office for arbitrary reasons and you can be fired if you dont comply
@@goldenhate6649I got a young brother that works on one of the warehouses… he actually says that it’s chill enough even during Christmas days. Pay is low (but above minimum wages enough to consider it over other easier minimum ones) and they only require him to work 20hrs a month to keep his job intact. Not saying is the pinnacle of greatness but far from what people would imagine for an “Amazon warehouse”. Big busy international metropolitan city we live at.
For me it doesn't get any better than WoD's cinematic. Fugitive Garrosh on the run fresh off his defeat in Siege of org hopping timelines to save his father and tell guldan to get fukt, to rebuild the iron horde to face the legion Worst xpansion but best cinematic, by far
Thank your dad for his work on D2 cinematics. I spent a lot of time enjoying that game. I don’t like how the game has been crumpled up and then unfolded again and ironed out. The ip was fine, complete, and no changes were necessary.
@@sosa8549 yeah i could totally see it happening, pulled some strings and they welcomed him because he is the son of the director. good for him that he left though, all in all, it made his resume to be impressive enough to be accepted into just about any related company. not to say that blizzard have any high standards however, them paying for less indicates that they would take in any manpower for less
Your dad is a fuckin legend dude 🎉 I remember watching all those cinematics and they were always above all other games, dofferent fucking level. Kudos to his dad ❤
Holy crap i knew that your dad worked for blizzard but to be the cutscene director? Are you kidding me? My friends and i would spend so long watching those over and over again i still check them out every once in a while because they are so good. So many iconic shots and lines and things that made my childhood. I can not thank your dad and his team enough. Man was obviously had passion and he’s passed that on to you. So keen to see more from you Thor!
@@bocelottwell of course they do the expectation level is way up there. Just because you pay someone doesn't mean they will always stick around. Sometimes the money simply isn't worth it.
True, and ironically this foolishness all but guarantees a future degradation of quality that will eventually undermine that legacy-perhaps to the point of complete failure.
@@hopefulpellinore5490 it's because big corporations underestimate the artistic value of videogames. Look at how Wolkswagen behaved with Lamborghini and Fiat with Ferrari: unlike EA that gutted the studios they acquired just to improve the profits on the short term, Fiat and Wolkswagen p left them intact, and give them the resources needed to do their work, even if it meant losing money for a few years, which allowed both Lamborghini and Ferrari to become extremley profitable. As it turns out, american corporations simply aren't capable to manage prestige brands.
This happens outside of the gaming industry even, just look into how SpaceX treats its employees. The other thing that "incentivizes" them to do this is that it does actually look good on a resume to have these companies because of how reputed they are. I don't know if that really holds true for Blizzard anymore after all the lawsuits, but for similar companies, you can go into it knowing it'll suck and you'll at least have a nice bit of leverage to hopping onto another job because recruiters and algorithms see, "Ooh big company!"
@@mozzjones6943 the problem with many american corporations is the composition of their shareholder boards, too many investors without any of them having a majority share, wich means the corporation is run by the CEO with the only goal of always increasing the dividends.
It's because times have changed. 35 years ago? 1988 We had just won the cold war within the past decade, shooting the US dollar into the stratosphere as the US becomes the only superpower in the world It was easy to pay you a good wage for your job in the 80s no matter what you did, and that effect steamrolled into the 90s
@@greenbean4422Odd because wages are out of control. I'm driving through states where the minimum wage is under $8/hr and Burger King have signs out offering $17/hr and nobody wants it...
@@trevordwyer5638 that's not true that no one wants it. I worked at a few fast food places and they always had their signs up even when they were not hiring.
@@greenbean4422 you can make that argument. However my argument is that since the 80's most corporations have outsourced their manufacturing to other countries, increasing the profit margin. Unless you work at a rare company, most of that gain went to the executives. The company I work for, my dad works for, has expanded exponentially in the past 20 years, becoming a global presence. The amount of money they waste now is incomprehensible, hundreds of thousands of wasted products every quarter. This is not my lone opinion, my dad also agrees that the company has been more limiting on what bonuses and benefits they give. They cut our cafe funding, holiday bonuses and incentives, while the executives enjoyed a 600% increase in pay during covid. Its happening throughout the US, and it's only getting worse. With how universities are separating the rich from the poor. There are countries that keep public schools well funded and equal, so the rich in those countries attend them, and the kids learn the experiences from others struggles, and have some of the most beneficial company policies because of it. So really, the greed in the US companies can be attributed to the large separation between private education vs our public education. That and the incredibly individualistic views that the US has now vs back in the 60s.
@@greenbean4422 Moreso its because Blizzard went through intense management changes after it became part of Activision, which radically changed the entire culture of the company.
Man was indeed a legend. Made our childhoods amazing. I always loved warcraft cutscenes bcs they always felt ahead of its time, it was like watching a movie. Best dad man
This showed up as recommended to me under the original WoW trailer. Thank your dad for creating the best game cinematics ever. I’ve been going back and rewatching all the trailers in preps for TWW and that’s so awesome to hear. Your dad is awesome at what he did
The cinematics your dad worked on give me a shiver to this day. They were so above other cinematics that I sometimes rewatched them from time to time, a thing I think I never have ever done with other game cinematics
I agree the Blizzard ones are legendary, but come on you never re-watched the openings to old Squaresoft games? Final Fantasy VIII and Parasite Eve particularly stand out in my memory. Capcom and Eidos tended to have great stuff for their time as well. I'm talking about that golden age of cinematics from around 1995-2005. So the cinematics era to me is from the start of the 32 bit disc based era to the launch of 7th Gen consoles with the Xbox 360, which is shortly after World of Warcraft. I will say though, those cinematics on Warcraft III and early WoW stuff were so far beyond what anyone else was doing at the time. They're impressive enough to hold up today in some parts.
Dude tell your dad thank you. Enjoying those cinematic with my dad and little brother (my dad was a gamer his whole life) are some of my fondest memories.
all i have to say is that Reinhardt cinematic is my all time favorite piece of gaming cinematic. literally made me cry. Bless your dad for giving us those memories.
Your dad single-handedly sold me on every single thing I ever bought from blizzard. Good lord he should be a movie director; the StarCraft 2 cutscenes gave me chills down my spine SO many times.
@@Zealant But his dad was the DIRECTOR. Which means he DIRECTED the story, narration, setting, visuals, etc. Basically put the puzzle pieces together to make the cinematics.
@@Zealant True but yeah as the person above me wrote, Director is in charge of it, if cinematic failed then everyone would have pointed fingers at him.
@@mystrre3553It's not quite that as a role in the industry, Director of Cinematics is the one in charge of the department and tends to be the one in meetings discussing the needs, expectations, standards of their departments, tool requests (and sometimes the more tricky, challenging things that need multi departments to agree) Doesn't take anything away from his role, it's just that it's not the same as say a Director on a film - it's more like a head of department
I mean he did greater work than being a movie director arguably by pioneering a new field and settings industry standards. He is also more famous than most due to the stories still being told about him by highly influential people and by being the antagonist in one of the biggest South Park episodes ever. Kindof a legend.
I think the worst part is they can easily get away with those conditions to make profit. There's a massive line of people that would kill to work for them, meaning if someone asks for more they just toss them out and grab the next schlub in line.
Ive watched the cinematics so many times they are so damn good no game has EVER to this day EVER made a cinematic as good as any of the WoW cinematics up to Wotlk i can't speak for anything after lich king though because i quit playing after that
shout out your dad for all the amazing memories, it was like dreaming the game before they had the gfx they had. such memories, honestly so happy i can say thank you.
Love overwatch, wasnt my childhood game but thankyou to your dad and yourself for helping in making some of the best years of my life, and your dads south park character was awsome, i knew who it was as soon as i seen him, you guys are legends, got bless and god speed
Bless your dad (and you - and the rest of the team ofc) for the stellar outcomes of old school Blizzard. Mad love for their former works. All the best brother, stay awesome
The fact that amazon treats their game devs better than their warehouse employees is insane. My friend works in one of their warehouses and she had to FIGHT them to get workers comp when she got injured on the job. During training and initial tour of the warehouse you are reminded frequently that you are replaceable if you dont make your quotas. Among many other issues...
Man I am eternally greatful I have a profession where my skills are in demand enough, that even though sometimes treated like crap, I still know they need me more than I need them. EDIT: Combined with being a member of a relatively strong public services union.
I mean tbf he has some extremely valuable skills and a lot of evidence from his previous occupation at blizzard so obviously they would treat him better
My nephew was a lead dev on an Amazon project and he said working conditions were great and so were the incentives. I think he'd still be there if Google didn't offer him an even sweeter deal. I was also surprised because I've read so much about how shit they treat their warehouse staff. Amazon is notorious for being one of the worst employers
Well, seeing how they are taking their employees for granted, want to milk them for every second of their time and not pay them adequately, I'd say that it definitely looks like working for family XD
I would like to say that the cinematics in blizzard games were always my favorite parts. I'd play Warcraft 3 just to get to the cinematics. Also, the music in them was really the first time I noticed music in videogames as being more than just something in the background. Your father deserves a medal or a statue or something.
I worked at Blizzard from 2006-2009 in France. It was hell of a ride. We had normal working hours (also nicht shifts but hey thats ok). We had so much fun. They payed good Money. They Made everything to keep their employees Happy. I am looking Back at the time and i did Not regret a single day. What did you do? I was "just" a specialist GM at the time and did some Accounting, but IT was great.
It's a legendary company because of the legendary devs and efforts they put in over 20 years ago. Most things in the last 10-15 years have sucked hard.
@@ogjuggalo4671 It's management. Heroes of the Storm failed, StarCraft died, OW's reputation died in 2, not 1, Diablo was fine during his time working there, they started heavily Fing up later a lot, etc. During his time there, he, like most devs, was constantly ignored on things he was right on the money about later. It's management and greed.
@@XSpiegel Nah. More than half of them are just DEI hires who were brought on to fill a quota and not because they're actually good at their job. Another quarter just suck or are mediocre at best. And the final amount are truly talented but there isn't enough of them to make actual good games. And yes 90% of leadership sucks. That doesn't give the devs a pass though.
Amazon works you to the bone but pays you equivalently if you work in software. I have friends who went there to make between 300k-400k US and had to quite because they couldn't take the pressure and work hours. If you're built for it though, Amazon compensates you fairly.
I don't think every rung of the corporate ladder is underpaid. I doubt the CEO is underpaid. Directors may or may not be high enough, but they're definitely upper management.
Same. I applied to work there back in 2010. I would've had to move across the country, but I was ready too had I got the job. After hearing so many of these horror stories of working for them, I'm glad it didn't happen.
You learn a lot while being there. I left after 6 years when it was very apparent they wouldn't promote me but had no issues promoting other people ahead of me. Now I almost make triple what I made there.
Watching those cinematic was a big part of why I chose to be a designer. Blizzard was my dream job back in 1998. I went on to work at great places but always wonder what Blizzard was like. Luckily I dint get to find out for myself but lots of people told me how much it sucked to work there.
The Starcraft/Broodwar cinematics is the best ones ive seen in terms of pure atmosphere. The detonation of the science vessel, the lonely zealot vs zerg in the greco-roman setting, also the final voyage of Gantrithor with Tassadar.. I will never forget them, a big cultural part of my childhood
I think I met your dad once! It was the very first BlizzCon and my girlfriends dad worked in video production and was able to get us tickets and even got us back stage where I met a few old school Blizzard employees and one was someone who edited cinematics for StarCraft and others, he said he'd worked on every one of them which makes me think it was your dad based on your story. Was amazing to meet legendary old school Blizzard employees. We got to test Ghost before it was scrapped and test Burning Crusade prior to release. Great event, great people. I miss that era of Blizzard :(
@@taintwasher3703 it was gonna be another starcraft game, but wasnt gonna be an RTS, but more like a TPS (tho i dont know much about how the gameplay was supposed be). However, the proyect got scrapped and the game never released.
@@taintwasher3703 A shooter set in the SC universe which was stuck in development hell for so long that it began as an N64 game and died as a GameCube game and never made it to a finished product lol
Honestly 7 years is WILD. I know you were probably wanting to learn and gain the experience, but holy cow that's years of your life knowing you're getting the shaft harder than an off-shore oil rig.
As a former Amazon employee, I will say they actually did pay you (if you were a direct employee and not a contractor) higher than most that did similar work in the area, plus some extra benefits that others didn't get (like free dental and eye coverage automatically even for part time employees.) Now, I wouldn't call that "paid like a human" but the problem is that no one was being paid like a human anywhere. Amazon just had to pay better and provide better benefits than everyone else nearby. The problem came in when peak season ended (I was in the shipping warehouse) and they had to get rid of excess employees. As for the work, the facility I was at was allowed to be more autonomous and therefore had pretty decent working conditions because what we were doing was experimental, but as our facility and other facilities like ours matured our processes, Amazon's corporate started to get more and more strict which made conditions worse slowly over time. That being said, I have since worked in places that are much worse than the Amazon facilities are and I can't believe they don't get more attention. Warehouse work SUCKS. Amazon is bad and absolutely deserves the negative attention it gets, but companies like Geodis and XPO deserve that same attention if not more. Right now a lot of the attention is on Amazon's contracted drivers, and having worked directly with both the truckers and the last mile delivery drivers and found they were getting screwed pretty hard by ridiculous time demands and low pay. The problem is that the market was oversaturated with drivers and the employers that paid well didn't need help because everyone flocked to them first. Basically, if Amazon needs more of something, they will pay well and offer decent benefits. If it's something they think they can get without trying, they will be the most bottom of the barrel negotiators you will ever meet. Since truckers are more in demand they've been training their own (I left when they were piloting this program in 2018 and 2019) as well as trying to be better with contracted short haul and OTR drivers, but they still treat their last mile contractors like crap. EDIT: Oh yeah. Some definitions since I realized they're a bit esoteric. Last Mile drivers are your delivery guys. They're the ones that drive up and deliver the package to your door. Short haul drivers are truckers that make short, usually 1-4 hour trips one way to deliver a trailer full of stuff. OTR, AKA Long-Haul are the ones you see in the big sleeper tractors. Their hauls will take 5 hours or longer one way.
The thing is, the complaints about Amazon usually aren't usually about the pay, but the working conditions. Of that, the place where the complaints come from is the Delivery Warehouses.
The cut scenes from Blizzard games was always something that stood out even way back in the day. I know there was a huge team behind him but kudos go your dad as well that truly is something legendary. Also your voice is incredible.
The WotLK opening cinematic was one of the most hype things I saw as a kid, my uncle and aunt were big players at the time and I remember seeing that and saying "I WANNA PLAY THAT GAME"
Blizzard used to be the dream for me as a network engineer. I had my chance too. I interviewed with blizzard for 6 months…. I had roughly 8 different interviews that went on for several hours with multiple rounds of people. In the end they ghosted me. I called them up wondering what happened and their answer was, “oh, sorry. That position was removed because of budget….” Biggest waste of time. They can suck it.
Yep. I think some large companies tend to behave that way for the interview process. Exact same thing happened to me over 6 months and countless rounds of interviews for Bass Pro Shops. (hilariously different industry but I'm a web designer)
That's the name of the game in the modern day, big corporations consider having to pay their employees a loss of profit and they try to slash it as much as they think they can get away with. Government regulation is the only reason they aren't paying us in cheap food and cages to live in on company property.
Amazon tech is way different than Amazon retail in terms of quality and pay. How do you think they were able to say that when looking for new headquarters the median salary would be 6 figures and 1000s of them?
That’s really cool your dad worked on the cinematics that’s like one of the best things about blizzard and probably the only good thing about blizzard today 😂
Your had has had in hands in cutscenes that we had to study for class. Truly impeccable the Wrath of The Lich King will always be my favorite expansion and I think it has some of the coolest cutscenes ever in any video game I've ever seen.
Poor Blizzard doesn’t have enough money to pay their employees a fair wage. Maybe they should charge more for skins in their games? I don’t think $25 is cutting it.
We really need to be more considerate of Blizzard, they're just a small billion dollar mega-corporation, we can't expect them to pay the people making them those billions!
Either your mic is really friggin good or youve got one of the smoothest voices I've ever heard. But on topic, I'm glad you've found a place to work that works better for you.
Except he never actually sites any real reason why "it sucks" to work for Blizzard... weird I say, but sure believe anyone who complains as if their word and lack of evidence is golden
@@Saldivinorumhe literally said the reasons why it sucked for him… why are you so quick to doubt someone talking bad about a big company? Your comment reads like you got triggered by the video and instantly and hurriedly typed this comment up
It's like that everywhere where you been🤣🤣🤣🤣. It's cry babies like this guy who thinks he entitled and thinks he should get paid more but in Reality PC programming is dime a dozen now days and he's only bitching about blizzard NOW because of the back lash of blizzard lawsuits.
@@kristoffer3000capitalism at least has to entice and retain willing employees. Your central authority socialism/communism system will assign you the labor in the same seized factory and laugh as you starve on your minimal rations and imprison/shoot you if you speak up. Instead of being a slave to mother nature and your own capability you are a slave to the systems greater need. Great job.
It's ironic because Amazon is even worse. I worked there for 2 years and it was the worst job I ever had the worst working conditions ever, and this was before everything was automated and they had robots everywhere it was still all physical labor and I was the trailer unloader which is the most physically instense job, because of how fast you would have to unload a trailer, our facility were also the fastest ones in the entire country DSE4 in Everett, WA.
But this guy obviously didn't work in the warehouse he was in the office or even at home so no wonder why he likes Amazon more, even though it's the most evil company on the planet.
you are cringe if the cinematics are the ONLY good thing you think has come out of blizzard lmao. Stop shitting on them to just be trendy bro its fucking weird.
Once upon a time, many many moons ago.. like... 2 decades... I dreamed of working for Blizzard. I realized how incredibly toxic it was a long time ago and have refused to touch Blizzards IP for a long time.
@@miriamweller812 Of course we do, capitalism is the greatest economic system that has ever existed in human history. That doesn't mean it's perfect, it has a lot of issues, this is one of them. Comunism on the other hand is proven to just lead to famine and poverty. Voting for comunism or any other system because of capislism's failures is dumb af. You gotta vote for what you believe will fix capitalism's failures.Also, you probably don't know what capitalism is, most people get it wrong.
