Why I love this 1960s Lancia Appia

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I drove a Series 3 Lancia Appia and got over-excited, again. What was all the fuss was about?
The Appia belongs to a friend of mine who has quite a few interesting cars, so there’ll be more videos about those coming up in the future.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:23 Family history
01:35 The Lancia Appia
02:24 Driving the Appia
03:16 Lancia Appia interior, and why I love it
04:17 Left hand drive or right hand drive?
06:18 Back on the road
07:57 Sliding pillar suspension
08:14 Roadholding, steering
09:32 Why I love the Appia, and how much it would cost
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Image credits:
Lancia Aprilia: By Liftarn - Own work, CC BY 3.0, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...
Lancia Aurelia: By Threecharlie - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...
Lancia Ardea: By Luc106 - Own work, Public Domain, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...

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@Pietervdv Год назад

In my late teens, I drove a Fulvia berlina and learned to appreciate the build quality. Closing the doors sounded the same as a Jag! Later, when visiting a classic car show, I was lusting after an Appia and my friend thought I was crazy to even give it a second look. Clearly a car for those in the know.

@SeattleSoulFan Год назад

I think the rationale for RHD in Italy was knowing exactly where your right front wheel was when you were on a mountain road with a sheer drop-off and no guard rail on your right. My favorite Lancia is the Fulvia, but all due respect to the Appia.

@amgguy4319 Год назад

Lancia - may is rise from the ashes like the Phoenix, with all of it's engineering, design, quality and uniqueness. The world craves it.

@MAGAM-ital Год назад

One of the reasons that convinced Lancia to continue the production of right hand drive cars up to the end of the 50s was the same reason that caused italian trucks to also be rhd: Small mountain roads! Lancia is a car company from Turin, Northern Italy, and they knew very well that their cars will probably need to squeeze to the edge of the road as much as possible to permit to other cars to drive in the opposite way on those tight gravel roads. And the best way to do it was having the driver near the external limit of the road instead than in the center. P.S I apologize for my not-so-good English but it is not my original language. Greetings from Bergamo, northern Italy.

@philiptownsend4026 Год назад

Until your P.S. I hadn't realised your English was not native and upon re-reading I cannot see any clues. You have super second language skills. The car is beautiful too. I used to own a more modern Lancia and thoroughly enjoyed driving it. A real shame about Lancia today.

@indiekiddrugpatrol3117 Год назад

Your English is impeccable

@giuseppebenvenuti2396 Год назад

Used to learn to drive in appia's dad when I was 12 on lonely country roads.. Amazing the red arrows light spy remember

@danieleregoli812 Год назад

Lancia Appias were known for being extremely high-quality and exceptionally reliable cars. They were very expensive to build, and they were made with top quality materials. It is said that pre-production cars had to be tested in a specially designed water basin, as doors were declared as 100% waterproof up to I think 1 meter of water.

@doubledee9675 Год назад

I don't remember any Appias here, but a surprisingly good number of Aurelias and Flaminias. From the late 60's, I had a Flavia coupé while my mother had a Flavia sedan - both with the 1800cc engine. Neither car was very large, but rather comfortable. Good around Sydney and fantastic on country roads with brilliant ride and road handling. Performance was reasonable for the time. They lacked the acceleration of a Holden/Falcon/Valiant but could cruise all day well into the 80's (still mph then). The quality of construction and design was of the top level. The biggest seller here was the little Fulvia with either the standard coupé or Zagato body; very few sedans.

@kiwiwifi Год назад

Perfect car. Pillarless, benches, seatbelt deleted…All the best from NZ

@saxon-mt5by Год назад

Just to be pedantic, the Aprilia was not the first uni-bodied car, the Lancia Augusta of 1934 pre-dated it, and technically speaking the 1921 Lambda was one too! That is my Series One Appia at 1.40.

@tonyflorio3269 Год назад

From Canada: loved this video as these are very unfamiliar cars in North America. What a beautiful, simple, elegant design. Thanks for sharing. Now, off to the interwebs to discover more about this car!

@noexpensespentstudios Год назад

I do like how competent these always seem to be and would love to experience on first hand. While still obviously an old car now, they also manage to look a little bit timeless, in that way very good quality mid-century things often do.

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Very much agree. I reckon you’d love it, all the lovely little details. I should have done more close up photography really, but was very pushed for time.

@TheDumpbin Месяц назад

Just found your channel. Great work. Wish you were in the States, I have quite a few cars that would be great for review. I own a 1966 Fulvia Coupe, they are amazing with the high quality of materials and comfortable ride with good performance. People ask what is it like to drive, I say not Italian at all, much more like a 1960s Mercedes. I suspect the Appia is like a 1950s miniature Mercedes therefore.

@kramnam4716 Год назад

Loved the hyacinth bucket comment! 😂🎉

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

😁

@fhwolthuis Год назад

What an amazing car, Martin. Great video, this is you at your best 👌🏼👏🏼😀 I understand that RHD was always preferred in the mountains, like you said. Not only if you were driving next to a ravine, but also if you wanted to drive as close as possible to a rock wall. It doesn't matter of the turn is left or right. And overtaking was probably not that important as you were supposed to drive in P1 anyway 😂

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Ah yes, that does make sense, being able to judge how close you are to the rock wall / ravine. Thanks very much Frank!

@Lot76CARS Год назад

Fantastic story, and lovely car! Column change looks like it means business.. Lancia is a much underutilised brand, briefly re-booted with badge engineered Chryslers to which a former Italian colleague complained he was "ashamed to be Italian" when unveiled at the Geneva MS. PS only Italy could be LHD and RHD at the same time.... brilliant!!

@Rust_in_Time Год назад

No one was 'appia to see this video come out than I was...

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

🤦🏼‍♂️

@jdmimportlogistics Год назад

As a 77'Scorpion and 81' Zagato SE owner here in N.America I really appreciate these videos keep up the great content! I have a channel as well and will be doing some videos on at least the Scorpion soon- Cheers

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Excellent, looking forward to watching those!

@GentilsGarage Год назад

I just love these. Such elegant cars just like the Fiat 1100’s of the time.

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

I’d love to do a group test with a Fiat 1100! And maybe a Wolseley 1500 or Morris 1000 (with the 1098cc engine).

@antonmealy168 Год назад

Worth knowing their relative prices when new though, Lancia weren't cheap, but having seen the door gaps upon an Appia saloon you can see why!

@giovannicaramia4020 Год назад

The quite power of the simple things.

@lorenzomagazzeni5425 Год назад

My mom had an Appia II in a depressing blue later she got a III in a lovely light metallic blue where I learned to drive when I was 14. Let me tell you, I had no idea how sexy was the I series. IMO they shoulda worked on the Fist series, some more cc et cetera. Ciao.

@kennedysingh3916 Год назад

WAtched from Jamaica,just discovered your channel.

@stewartellinson8846 Год назад

Certainly the Italian car I'd most like to own. The narrow angle v4 is a thing of beauty. Bravissimo! Forza Lancia!! NB: fab historical factoid: Whilst Mussolini didn't make Italian trains run on time and was an appalling human being who ruined italy and caused the deaths of a million plus people through his various policies whilst sowing a legacy of authoritarian hatred for pretty much anyone that the hater wants to hate, he DID ensure that all Italians drove on the same side of the road (officially).

@simonalexandercritchley439 3 месяца назад

The Appia Zagato I saw in a film about Bobby Darin looked and sounded Bella. It was called Mack the knife with Kevin Spacey. My dad had Flavia HF 2000 coupe and Fulvia 1.3 coupe. I had '62Flamina coupe, '77 Beta hpe2000,'82 Gamma coupe

@GrandThriftAuto 3 месяца назад

Oof!

@benday1218 Год назад

Just lovely!

@GasoliniASMR Год назад

Great car and video! Really enjoyed that, thanks.

@simonhodgetts6530 Год назад

Beautiful little car! Lancia, in it’s prime, introduced some exquisite cars - very much ahead of their time. Thanks for a very informative video - really enjoyed that!

@dezmondwhitney1208 Год назад

A Great Review. Thank You.

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

@dezmondwhitney1208 Год назад

@@GrandThriftAuto Yes, I am sure that all of us did so.

@willwelch5700 Год назад

I have never seen one of these before 😍😍 It's absolutely stunning and looks sensational from every angle. I love it! Great video, again 👍🏻

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Gorgeous little car, isn’t it? Thanks Will, glad you enjoyed it!

@willwelch5700 Год назад

@@GrandThriftAuto it really is something else. Once again, Italian design showing the world that being practical can be sexy too 😂😂

@t2stu Год назад

The way you're bouncing on that seat makes it look super comfortable.

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

It does have a faint Space Hopper vibe, you’re right 😊 Not sure if they’re all like that or just this one, which has probably been reupholstered at some point.

@gerardclarke8096 Год назад

I am fairly sure that the upholstery is original.

@josemiguelferrer5688 Год назад

Un gran coche, muy bien construído y novedoso para su época. Lo felicito, yo también tengo uno y lo disfruto conduciendo; toda nuestra juventud condujimos Appias y Flavias, en nuestra familia teníamos varios de ellos y en este momento conservamos dos Appia y un Flavia.

@agenturawubekistanie Год назад

I enjoyed that too, thanks

@davestraight8219 5 месяцев назад

more of this kind of thing

@TK42138 Год назад

Interesting video. Wasn't familiar with these cars at all and until now, had never seen one.

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Thanks Andrew 😊 I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in the wild, and rarely at shows (not that I go to many). Lancias were pretty exotic in the UK until the 1970s.

@simonalexandercritchley439 3 месяца назад

Oops tablet! Also '83 Beta Hpe 2000, first car I bought in 1985. Sold the last one in'95,the Flaminia it went to a collector who restored it.

@daybrd916 Год назад

Great car! ..and ahead of you on the road video there's another fantastic car to drive and of quality: The Lancia 2000 HF... much better 2000cc coupè than any alfa or bmw

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Yes indeed! And the good news is that I drove that too, so it’ll feature in another video before long.

@daybrd916 Год назад

@@GrandThriftAuto Wow! great news!

@johnmatthews1095 2 месяца назад

Shsss ! Don't tell everyone til I've bought one !

@workshop_deluxe2493 Год назад

Another lovely video, enjoyed every single second. As a Lancia guy, who has to drive an Audi, because Lancia literally does not exist anymore and was not able to replace my Kappa adequately, I am lead to a question or two. When do we see a video on the Gamma and why do you pronounce Lancia correctly? I mean, as a native English speaking person. 🙂 Cheers, Christian

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Thanks Christian! Prompted by a friend I have at last started to organise some help getting the Gamma to run, maybe - so when that happens I’ll let you know 😊 As to Italian pronunciation, I’ve worked in Italy (and Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands…) and always used to think of myself as European 💔😢

@workshop_deluxe2493 Год назад

@@GrandThriftAuto Okay, gamma-wise, I count on you. Should never have sold my Gammas. And the Themas. And the Delta, Kappa and all the other fiftyish cars. 😊 Martin, you are located in the south of Wales, right? Have been on the isle this summer, England, Oxfordshire, but Wales seemed to be too far away for a short visit. Next time. Would love to meet you in person. Cheers, Christian

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

@@workshop_deluxe2493 I’d love to meet up. Maybe next time we’re visiting my wife’s family in Flensburg I could drop down the A7 🤔 And you’d be welcome here in Wales 😊

@workshop_deluxe2493 Год назад

@@GrandThriftAuto Let me know when you are in Flensburg, just 140 km away from my home. Or next year in Wales. We'll find a way.

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

@@workshop_deluxe2493 Definitely!

@robertsedgwick1629 Год назад

it's funny isn't that on a Lancia sliding pillar suspension is innovative yet on a Morgan it's achaic!😁

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Ha! Yes, fair point...from my limited knowledge of Morgans, they're set up to be rather more, er, intimate with the contours of the road surface, so maybe that puts reviewers in a less forgiving mood.

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Geek point: after some googling, it seems Morgans are strictly speaking 'sliding axle', as the pillar is fixed and the hub moves up and down on it. I assume this reduces unsprung weight for better handling.

@danieleregoli812 Год назад

And yes, right until the late 1950s Lancias were known to be preferred as RHD, as they were considered 'driver's cars', who would seemingly prefer to be facing the side of the road during sporty driving on curvy Italian roads...

@bobspeller2225 Год назад

All Lancia cars have this class. technically so advanced for the time (how did it all go wrong)?? Cheers Bob

@squealingtyres Год назад

Classic

@MS-Fin1917 Год назад

I don't think it mattered much in Italian city traffic, that had the town left- or right-handed traffic. Only a very trained eye could spot the difference. 😉

@roverwaters3875 Год назад

Ferrari automobili was bought completely in 1969 also.

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

50-50 split with Il Commendatore Enzo Ferrari I think, but yes, Gianni Agnelli was on a march in ‘69.

@roverwaters3875 Год назад

@@GrandThriftAuto Scuderia was owned by Enzo. Automobili by FIAT.

@davestraight8219 Год назад

so is it a lamp thing a yellow wall thing or is it self promotion re rear drive vauxhall :D

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

All of the above 😉 Actually that picture of the Victor is just my regular laptop wallpaper, it’s been on there for years.

@8BRInteractive Год назад

Is the upholstery alcantara? Lancia favored this material.

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Not on this one - Lancia’s Alcantara phase came later.

@gerardclarke8096 4 месяца назад

The seats are covered with a mixture of a hardwearing broadcloth and vinyl.

@adamknopp6631 Год назад

Similar in spec to a Morris minor 1000?

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

Very interesting question - I did have the Minor 1000 in mind as I was driving it. Quite similar engine outputs between them, certainly, though I would imagine the Appia being aimed more at customers of the (posher but Minor-derived) Wolseley 1500/Riley One Point Five in the British market. The ‘people’s car’ Minor would have been closer to a Fiat 1100, I think. A group test would be fascinating!

@adamknopp6631 Год назад

@@GrandThriftAuto please could you do some Matra Rancho content!

@GrandThriftAuto Год назад

@@adamknopp6631 Soon! It won’t be driving around for a long while though, sadly.

@adamknopp6631 Год назад

@@GrandThriftAuto that’s ok. I’ve coveted them since my design tech teacher had one in the early eighties in the same colour as yours. Renault 16 is on my short list to own too…

@kiwiwifi Год назад

Ah pi ah!

@simonalexandercritchley439 3 месяца назад

Like comparing Hedy Lamar with Hyacinth Bucket...😕....it's Bouquet!

@GrandThriftAuto 3 месяца назад

🤦🏼‍♂️😁