"Why i'm no longer vegan" videos. 

She said she has an autoimmune disease, big guts bacteria imbalance ( and being a med student, I know this is a really serious matter ), her boyfriend lost more than 15kg because his guts could not absorb nutrient bc of numerous food alergies which caused deep depression and shitty skin (and not the other way around like she's trying to say in this video) so to reduce her arguments as being selfish and superficial is just nauseous. Like c'mon this "ethics police" people are doing against her is really not helping the vegan community, giving it such an image. Let's not forget the goal is to sensibilize others to the cause :)))

I also don't agree on this ! I've also been vegan for 3 years & I'm clearly experimenting the exact same symptoms. I don't want to go back on being vegetarian or worse but if i can't find anything that helps, I'll have to eat a bit of cheese or eggs. The thing is your are not a doctor, & yes veganism has been proven to be the healthiest diet by many dietitians but it doesn't mean that it works for everyone. & as long as I wish with all my heart that i can stay vegan, I rather eat an egg from a local farm than get a cancer bc my intestine can't work anymore. We are all different. Our bodies react differently, that's a fact. Three ppl that ate the same things won't digest it the same way. We should understand it & be kind to EVERY kind, including ours ;)

i know what you mean about this certain 'profile' of social media vegans that have been quitting lately... predominantly high carb/whole foods plant-based, very into pseudoscience and natural remedies, and usually had some sort of history with unhealthy eating in the past. they're all very high-risk to me and don't really represent accessible, everyday veganism.

They DID make it very clear about how bad their conditions were and the struggles they faced for FOUR years. She didn't focus only on acne either, to reduce her narrative to that is just so wrong. In a simple 38minutes video you can't just shrink their arguments that grew over years of obvious tourment like that. You're applying your spectrum on them?? ( and I'm vegan tho ). Like let's just communicate and share instead of tearing each other down

Disappointing critique - lacks compassion and understanding of the differences in human physiology.

“You’re going back to eating animal products because your skin is breaking out.” Wow that's a really great analysis of her video. To have you reduce her (and Tim’s) health struggles to pimples and then saying you are not blaming her for her decision is difficult to believe. In my opinion it’s hypocritical of people to say that she does not understand the meaning of veganism if she can say that she is no longer vegan because she introduced animal products in her diet again. It’s hypocritical because if she would have said “I am eating animal products again but I am still vegan”, the same people would have been outraged and most probably would have said “you are not vegan if you eat animal products”. You just cannot win in her situation. Her values have not changed, she did not say they had, she just spoke about her diet. Yet she decided not to identify as a vegan (and making it clear in the title) to avoid the backlash and people telling her she is not vegan if she eats animal products, and I think it says more about the “vegan community” than it says about her. And what if the title attracts more people? It’s like when we talk about veganism, we have to be super careful and choose a title as to not stain veganism, as if it were this precious, fragile thing. Vegans should not be blamed for people who click on videos with negative intentions or people who make up their mind about veganism just by watching a video instead of researching. It’s as though when you are publicly vegan you have to respect these strict guidelines and always promote veganism in the best way possible. You can speak about it yes, and if it helps bring awareness to the movement it’s even better but if this is not the end goal it is also ok, people should not prevent themselves from sharing what they want in fear of scaring potential vegans away. In your video you speak about the pressure some vegan influencers have to portray themselves as perfect vegans, and it’s true. But I believe this video is part of the problem. In my opinion, when you’re saying she should not do or say certain things because it hurts the cause, that’s exactly the kind of pressure that’s negative for the movement. She is getting blamed for not doing it right, not titling the video right, not saying she is still vegan, not saying she will go back to eating a fully vegan diet as soon as possible... You say it’s about the animals and the planet but it’s not like she is bashing veganism in her video, it’s not like she is promoting eating animal products and killing the planet. She is talking about her and Tim’s health issues, about personal experiences. She should not be prevented to speak her mind because it can potentially negatively affect the movement when it’s not her intention. If some viewers are dumb enough to think a vegan diet is not a healthy diet just because of a video, they are a long way from having understood veganism. Her persona online is linked to veganism, why shouldn’t she speak about this major change? Why should she need to have a reason to speak about it? When you assume she is making the video only for views because you don’t see what good it does her, I just want to say you are not her. If speaking about it takes pressure of her shoulders, if this is the good she gets from this video, why shouldn’t she do it? And being honest can be really freeing, so I get why she would come forward about this. But again, I don’t even think she would need to have a reason, she does not have to justify herself. I really believe in veganism, and I hope more and more people will too, but being so judgmental and treating it as this fragile thing that has to be protected at all cost, with certain titles to avoid, things not to say, taking extra care when speaking of a personal experience and so forth, is really not the way to go about it, in my opinion. It should be possible for someone to post about a personal choice regarding their diet without being blamed for damaging the cause, vegans are not pawns supposed to promote veganism at every moment of their life. Yes, she chose to be a “vegan influencer” but it does not mean she gave up on her right to speak and do what she wants, what she believes is good for her, as long as she makes it clear that it is her personal experience, which she does in her video. It should not be so hard to respect someone’s dietary decisions for their health. It’s so extreme not to.

I've always always loved your videos for years now but this is the first one I disagree with. It's really sad how you just fail to step into her shoes and see the pain in her story. This isn't what she wants. This wasn't her first choice. She saw so many doctors and spent so much money. In desperation, eating fish and eggs was one of the only things that helped her and her boyfriend. I'm just sad you fail to see all these things and fuel this veganism trend to act superior to non-vegans. She also never said it was veganism's fault. She said she's had problems for ages and problems in her family and with her dad. Sure everything she said wasn't word for word perfect, but commenting with negativity and with the tone that you do in this video makes me so sad. So disappointed :(

you really dont know what it is like to have acne and i would never think that someone like you would underestimate other peoples problems like that

Rather than belittling her situation down to the one superficial aspect she described of acne and making this about a women’s issue on social media, you could have listened to her and Tim’s multifaceted health issues that extended for 4 years - which is the real issue here. The disbelief and accusatory language used as backlash against them denies the years of experimentation and seemingly thousands of dollars spent on doctors appointments, therapies and medications. Then you just boil this down to not trying hard enough or they just aren’t doing veganism “right” - when is enough, enough? It’s clear that they take animal ethics, the environnement and other social issues surrounding veganism seriously. To revert to eating animal products is not an easy decision - I know from 4+ years experience. But you and others dismiss this, so clouded by your judgement and inability to see that animal products and plant foods operate in different ways - it’s not as simple as “everything in animal products can be found in plant foods”. Indeed, it may not be ethical to eat animal products but when you feel yourself withering away you may come to realise that we ourselves are animals and everything in this world is made up of a cycle of life, death and regeneration - from plants, mammals and bacteria we all give and take. Being vegan does not absolve you from this cycle after all we are living in the 21st century. So what is so wrong with them and others saving their health by introducing minimal animal products to their diet as a last resort?

J’ai vu un certain nombre de vidéos de ce style et c’est très souvent à cause de douleurs au ventre et de problèmes de digestion. On ne peut pas faire comme si ça n’existait pas. Je ne pense pas que l’alimentation 100% végétalienne puisse convenir à tous les individus. Notamment les personnes souffrant du syndrome de l’intestin irritable et autres problèmes digestifs. Ce n’est pas que les œufs, le poisson ou le poulet soit sain ni meilleur pour la santé, c’est simplement qu’ils contiennent beaucoup de protéines, des calories et surtout pas de fibres. Ça permet à ces personnes de s’alimenter sans avoir les fibres qui sont difficiles à digérer et causent des douleurs. Les légumineuses sont difficiles à digérer aussi c’est connu. En plus de tout ça, l’allergie au soja est répandue (ce qui ne veut pas dire que le soja soit mauvais en général, l’allergie aux noix est très répandue aussi, pourtant on s’accorde à dire que c’est très sain pour les personnes non allergiques). J’ai vu des personnes qui cumulent ces deux problèmes. Imaginez-vous sans pouvoir manger ni légumineuses, ni céréales complètes, ni soja et rester végane ? Et l'acné c'est douloureux, même quand ce n’est pas aussi sévère que lui, ça fait mal, donc je n’ose pas imaginer comment il devait se sentir. Ce n’est pas juste une histoire d’apparence, bien que l’apparence peut faire énormément souffrir et être stigmatisant.

Sorry if I emphasize only this topic in your video... But if you never have acne in your life, please don't even talk like you know how horribly distressing it can be....

This is by far the best take I have seen on this subject. Great video!

Hi, first of all, thank you for not only talking Bonny Rebecca's latest video but also about all the vegans making videos like this. I regret that you mostly talked about her break outs and appearance and barely about her and mostly her boyfriend's gut issues - which seemed to be pretty bad, according to her. However, I think you're right about the title that will be detrimental to the cause. I think making this video was important for her because she feels close to her audience and wants to be honest with them, which is remarkable. But yes, after watching her video, I also thought "why saying that if you plan on going back to plant-based eating after a few months, once you're healed?". I believe she didn't mean wrong but she was overwhelmed by her stress and feelings and the pressure of being an influencer. Let's see if she changes her title... and maybe point out that NO, eating fish isn't sustainable and eco-friendly.

She and her boyfriend were not only concerned about their skin, it is pretty clear in the video. Have you watched it all? I do not stand by them going back to eating animals, but everyone has their own reasons and life/background and other people give up on this lifestyle way easier than them. They went to countless doctors and this people to not have the health benefits we can get in France. They actually pay to see doctors. I think we should just leave them alone and when they recover, they can start being vegan again by just replacing what they need in the meat by plant based items. It is easy to judge.

Did you watch bonnys video completely?....

MERCI pour cette vidéo, j'attendais une réaction de ta part car c'est toujours très intéressant et j'aime beaucoup cette "nouvelle catégorie" de vidéo! J'ai été très choquée par la vidéo de Bonny et comme toi je remarque des absurdités comme le titre de sa vidéo qui ne laisse aucune place à un potentiel retour au veganisme, à la dramatisation aussi "il a remangé du poisson et en 5 jours il souriait de nouveau", à la manière dont elle fait passer son orthorexie et sa recherche constante de "plant-based diet" que je trouve très problématique comme le high carb low fat qu'elle a pratiqué pendant 1 an et qui était très à la mode et qui pour moi n'est PAS du veganisme. Elle oublie totalement le combat politique qu'il y a derrière le veganisme et laisse la place à sa "sincérité" et son "honnêteté" alors que pendant toutes ces années elle mentait à sa communauté et maintenant elle est "brave"?! Je me souviens encore d'une vidéo qu'elle avait faite autour d'un magasine de mode qui promulguait de manger des oeufs au petit-déjeuner et qu'elle en "vomissait" tellement les oeufs étaient nocifs pour la santé selon elle!! et maintenant tout va bien? Et son copain qui pour "grossir" doit manger des produits animaux donc du POULET alors que c'est une viande maigre??? Sachant que de nombreuses formules comme Delical qui est vegan existent pour reprendre du poids. Il existe même des centres hospitalier qui font reprendre du poids aux anorexiques et qui peuvent proposer un régime végétalien. J'ai été abasourdie de voir aussi sa recherche pendant 4 ans de dizaines de naturopathes, ayurvédiques etc... avant ne serait-ce que de faire une prise de sang!! et la prise d'antibio pendant 8 mois est juste hallucinante... J'ai moi-même été anorexique et orthorexique pendant 2 ans et j'ai toujours des troubles alimentaires et oui le veganisme peut souvent être pris à tord pour un régime, j'en suis la première à avoir cru cela. Si tu fais une vidéo collaborative j'aimerais bien pouvoir participer pour expliquer un peu mon parcours entre anorexie, depression, orthorexie et veganisme :) bisous

Quand les vidéos sont en français elles sont traduite en anglais mais quand elles sont en anglais il n'y a pas de sous titre français

Benny never saw a gastrologist and dietitian. She wasted heaps of money on people who are not experts on the topic. If she can't digest fibre, there is something off in her gut and this needs to get treated. Eating animal products might make her feel better in the short run, but does not solve the underlying issue.

I’m so so glad that I don’t belong to this aggressively self righteous community anymore. You treat humans like garbage.

Je comprends pas trop ta reaction. Bonny a aussi beaucoup parlé de digestion et de tout les changements qu'ils ont fait dans leur alimentation pour en arriver ici. Pas seulement de peau. Elle n'est pas heureuse de remanger des produits animaux. J'ai l'impression que tu trouves toujours quelque chose pour vraiment blamer les gens dans tes videos reactions -peu importe le sujet. Apres je connais pas sa vie en detail mais je suis pas sure que cette video et son instagram (sachant qu'elle poste pas si souvent) donne autant de details que ce que tu affirme dans ta video.

I think you're very smart and your point of view is interesting, but Bonny never said eating fish or eggs is ethical. Also she did not only mention skin issue, but the possibility of developing her dad autoimmune and possibly mortal disease, so I can understand her concerns. With that being said, I do agree that she could have used another title, and that often we tend to forget that health is not all about food.

I personally have different view. I have person in family who had very similar symptoms as Bonny and has to eat meat, even when this person was talking with specialists and trying different options. Didn't work. I'm vegan if you're wondering. I don't like most of that kind od videos when people blame veganism because their diet was restrictive like super raw, no suplemments etc. But Bonny tried different ways. It's only my view and I don't blame anybody for thei decisions. I can be wrong because it's only video.

I'm really happy you speak about this video. Thanks!

Je me permets d'ajouter mon petit commentaire à l'édifice. Je tiens à préciser que je n'ai jamais eu de troubles alimentaires et que je n'ai jamais suivi de quelconques régimes/ J'ai arrêté la viande il y a plus de 10 ans et le poisson il y a 3 ans mais j'ai repris ce dernier récemment. Pourquoi ? Je m'en fiche d'avoir une belle peau (même si de ce côté je n'ai aucun souci), je sais que les problèmes d'estomac/instestin que j'ai (comme j'ai eu récemment) sont plus souvent sujet au stress qu'autre chose... Sauf que depuis quelques années je cumule à la suite des carences et des anémies, et oui effectivement il existe des compléments mais pour avoir passer plus d'un an à me complémenter en fer, je peux dire à quel point c'est désagréable. Certain(e)s vont me dire que "c'est pas la mort", mais on ne réagit pas tous pareil au traitement, il ne faut pas oublier que chaque corps à ses spécificités. Le fer par exemple, truc bête, oui il existe des compléments. Mais les corps réagissent très différement et ce qui est bon pour A n'est pas forcément bon pour B. Dans mon cas par exemple, la viande rouge ne m'apportait rien et étant donné les problèmes de santé dans ma famille, ça a été bénéfique que je la supprime. En revanche, j'ai eu anémie et carence en fer parce que je manque d'apport par rapport à la perte de sang que j'ai. Suite à la prise de médicaments en fer j'ai fait une oesophagite... Donc oui, il existe des compléments mais on ne les supporte pas tous malheureusement. J'avais essayé la spiruline : un gros gros échec sur mon système digestif ! Du coup le mieux, selon moi, c'est d'être en accord avec soi-même. J'ai réintroduit le poisson dans mon alimentation pour recharger mes taux de b12 et de fer. J'ai bien étudié la question avant de le refaire, j'en mange peu mais je prends ceux qui m'apporte le plus de ce qu'il me manque. Alors non, ça ne me fais pas plaisir de l'avoir fait mais effectivement je suis un peu "égoïste" et je pense à ma santé avant. Quand ça fait plusieurs prises de sang que ça va pas et que ça court sur plusieurs années, il faut savoir aussi se dire qu'il est peut-être bien d'en réintroduire un peu. Alors oui je suis d'accord avec cette vidéo sur le fait qu'il faut chercher plus loin et ne pas choisir le véganisme pour les mauvaises raisons (à savoir être mince et avoir une belle peau, surfer sur la vague en voyant ça comme un régime privatif) mais je rejoins aussi le fait que tout le monde ne peut pas être vegan.

I understand your point of view, but we can see the situations from different angles. I'm not a doctor, I won't assume I know every condition, every case. Maybe it's impossible to be vegan for certain people in the long run, maybe it's not. I would love to believe everyone could, but I truly don't know. I think she advertised it because she wants to be honest with her audience. Let's be real, it would be hypocritical not to tell her subscribers that she's nowadays eating fish and eggs when she has spend years promoting vegan in her channel. She based her channel around veganism therefore her audience is full of vegan, she's going to receive a lots of hate for that video. And also I agree the title is click-bait, like you said she lives in a youtube world, an instagram world. She's only human and we cannot put that amount of pressure on her and say she has to think about the movement first when clearly she's been struggling with a lot in a personal life. When you are is that state of mind, your decisions are not the best. You are emotional and you need help and love. That's probably why she did the video, and I can empathize with her. And yeah she said she was okay eating eggs and fish that she though was "ethical". But maybe she has no choice for her mental health to believe that what's she's doing is "fine". Dissonance cognitive is still real. She's eating things that she didn't ate for years. She has to find cognitive ways to feel better about it in order to not see herself as "a monster who is eating flesh" (which would be a horrific way to see herself -especially when she has self-esteem problems and need attention to feel good about herself). We don't know the whole story, let's be kind. There are still people who preaches veganism, who protects the animals. Those who care, will continue to care.

I'm really happy you talk about this topic, specifically your point about the female instragamers and the pressure to be and look 'perfect'...

I’m an abolitionist vegan so there’s no way I’m ever eating animals again. My veganism is a part of my holistic ethical world view, as is not buying clothing made in sweat shops, boycotting companies and products that cause destruction to people, animals, and the environment, etc. Using animals is no longer normal to me in any way. When it comes to mental health, I did have a terrible relationship with food. I used to be medically anorexic with major depression, suicidal ideation, and agoraphobia. I starved myself not to become skinny but to hurt myself and hope that I would die in my sleep. Discovering an ethical purpose in my life (along with therapy) has helped me to overcome my mental illness to the point I am now. Veganism as a movement has inspired me so much in regarding the value of empathy. I’m working toward getting my PhD to become a trauma therapist, I volunteer part time with a suicide hotline, rescue and help local animals like cats and dogs, donate to farm sanctuaries, volunteer to help severely disabled military veterans. The list of my passion for empathy goes on and on. I don’t do what I do because I want brownie points, I do it because I believe it is *absolutely necessary* to help others of any species to be a decent human being, especially with the physical capability and privilege I have at this point in my life. I’m completely unable to separate my veganism from myself concept now, and nor would I want to. I’m glad people go vegan regardless of the reason. Animals don’t care if you’re trying to lose weight, they just care that you’re not eating them. I really really hope she gets through whatever she is going through physically and mentally, becomes healed of her issues and comes back to veganism even stronger. I hope the community doesn’t push her away.

Yes.. I think perhaps many of the famous vegan youtubers got into the HCLF life for aesthetic reasons more than for the animals or the environment.

Oh damn le titre m'a fait peur ^^"

Happy for you, as long as your happy and healthy. No one should judge the other, we should be understanding

Ok, so you pretend you can tell who’s brave or not ? « Oh they do these videos just to get more subscribers » How can you tell ? you really think it’s brave to accuse someone without evidence ? You think you know what is in there mind when they choose their title ? It’s brave to leave a sectarian ideology as veganism when you realize your body can’t deal with that unsane diet ; it’s brave to endure the critics, the harassment (to which you participate), the bullying of these vegans who (in their majority) consider your health as unimportant You dare to criticize people you don’t know a thing about what they think, what they bear, how guilty and bad they feel just because they’re quitting…

So its better for her to die than not be vegan anymore?? So a human being is less important than an animale? So ignorant people.. its her health, her choice..stop judging people because "now" you don't have such problems.

1000% aggree with your argument that it is about how we talk about veganism and portray it!!! Really great video.

Merci Emy pour cette vidéo très intéressante ! J'ai eu et deal toujours avec des problèmes alimentaires mais pour moi c'est justement le veganisme qui m'a permis de pacifier ma relation avec la nourriture qui est beaucoup plus saine maintenant. Si tu as besoin de témoignages dans ce sens, n'hésite pas à me demander (même si mon année est très chargée vu que je passe l'agrégation de philo tmtc ;) )

Thank you so much for highlighting how biased these videos are! There are so many variables that could affect people health and bodies, yet it’s rarely noticed in their videos. It really bothers me that instead of acknowledging these many factors people are just blaming vegan diets. And a thing you didn’t talked about is how these videos are just a wonderful working material for anti-vegan’ content on RU-vid. Also thank you so much for emphasizing how eating a non-vegan product when you’re vegan in a moment when you are mentally instable and depressed is not in any way disqualifying you to call yourself vegan. It happened to me one time where I was so stressed, and I ate cheese without noticing it at first and I felt really bad about it. So, your message really felt really heartwarming.

Bonny also explained that it's not about what you can't find in vegan food but in the amounts of fiber vegan food has, which apparently is really bad for her specific condition. She's in risk of developing an auto immune disease that could potentially kill her, and she said her skin was never that great so she didn't really care about the acne. But if you see the picture she posted of Tim's skin I would have been worried too, that wasn't normal and skin is an organ too, it it doesn't function properly then something is clearly not okay

Merci Emy, personnellement je constate que tous ces influenceurs déclarant publiquement que finalement le véganisme, c'est mal, sont en fait embourbés dans des pratiques orthorexiques dangereuses et sans logique : frugivorisme, raw till 4, crudivorisme... puis mettent tout dans le même panier.

Someone in her comments said that she is not vegan but she eats a plant-based diet (I think she's orthorexic as well). I think that's a good summary. This apart, I think she was right to reintroduce animal products if this diet was not good for her and if she feels better now. It's not because it is good for you that it is good for someone else.

I had really bad eating disorders for more than four years, I thought they would never leave me in peace, even when I started to eat vegan, the eating disorders were still there. But since the first day veganism became a true commitment to me, my relation towards food became normal again, it actually feels happier and safer to eat now. And that's just a bonus amongst all the great repercussions veganism has on yourself and on the World. I'm so happy to be vegan 💚

A lot of people like to call veganism or a whole foods plant based diet "a limited diet". Oh right, only eating lots of different grains, lots of different nuts, lots of different vegetables, lots of different fruits and lots of different legumes + lots of different plant based Milks and oils is "limited" 😑😑😑

I am a vegetarian (transitioning to vegan) and I have a very severe acne. People are telling me all the time that if I start eating meat again my skin is gonna turn better. and I tell them to FUCK OFF because my skin does not matter at all if I am saving some lives and if I am not contributing to animal exploitation.

Olala j'ai eu tellement peur en voyant mes notifications!

Brilliant. The end of the video (18 minutes until the end) is exactly what I think. 100% agree. Thank you for expressing that.

Totally agree with you. I would never go back to eating corpses or their bodily secretions! Cant believe these people think that eating animals would actually heal them?? I’m speechless... Ex vegans are worse than meat eaters because they actually know what goes on in slaughterhouses, egg industry etc... yet they choose to go back to contributing to the pain and suffering of these tortured souls. It’s beyond sad 😔

Hey! I just wanted to say I really appreciate your channel and everything you share with us. I'm not vegan, or vegetarian, but I am really interesting in researching about vegetarianism, veganism and 'conscient consume' (I'm brazilian, so I'm sorry if I use wong terms, but if I don't know it exactly I'll translate it directly). Even though I still eat animals, I try at least not to do it with the same frequency I did when I didn't know the impact of this industry. But I have some issues with veganism, or maybe the form some people talk about it here in my country: I don't know if it's our culture itself, but I see a lot of vegans blaming or making 'non-vegan' people feel bad for eating animals. First of all, I don't think it's healthy to take this way to approach anyone in any kind of activism - it usually doesn't help at all. But I think maybe some people miss a little empathy understanding that others have/had different life experiences. In Rio de Janeiro, specifically, there are a lot of inequalities (not only financial, but mostly and it impacts in everything), and I see a lot of my vegan friends just ignoring it. I guess maybe because we're all at the same space (university) it gives people the idea we're equal, but we have people who come, for example, from communities where a family of at least five people live with R$ 998 (which is like 235 euros), so how can we expect and assume that these people will stop eating something that doesn't let them hunger just to reduce the environmental impact? At the same time, the mass has a lot of genetic inclinations that, if they stop eating certain things, will become real healthy problems, and most of them don't have the money or time to go to doctors and buy vitamins or supplements. That's it. I hope you don't see it as a critic to you or anyone who's vegan. I just wanted to expose it so maybe someone could show me ways to deal with it or recommend me something to read or watch. Merci!

This is the only video that gave me hope and i couldn't agree more, you're so smart and thank you for those wise words. This is brave.

I don't ser what's so "detrimental" to the movement. The important thing is that this has started a conversation. What I see is either vegans who think that just because they've read some articles or studies, seen a documentary or whatever, think that they know better than a doctor. I don't doubt that there are some paid doctors who promote bad eating habits and unnecesary animal products, however, I find a very similar behaviour within the vegan community which comes up very frecuently: the know ir all vegan who likes to act superior, shielding himself behind that attitude of "I'm a compassionate person" "I do it for the animals, the planet, etc" "I'm no selfish" "I'm ethical" and so many more... Research is still being done, so I find these arguments of the genre "you just didn't try hard enough" so hypocritical. Only Bonny and Tim know what they've been through, only they know the effort they made. If they really were vegan, I don't think it's fair to label them as "just plant based" for their recent choice. Like you said, veganism is much much more than a diet. And for such a compassionate community, I see very little empathy for other human beings who are on the SAME SIDE. I did agree with some points you made though. I just think we shouldn't pretend to have THE answer, but rather star the conversation and I hope you keep talking about veganism Emy!

Thank you! I started watching her video and had to fast forward as it was so annoying and hypocritical. And then to see all these people in the comments praising her for her courage... I find it quite interesting to see how easy it is for people like that to automatically assume that veganism (or rather a plant based diet) is _the_ reason for whatever health issue that might occur (while disregarding the health issues brought by eating animal products). From what I could gather there was an issue with her fiber intake, and I fail to see how reducing your fiber intake would be impossible while staying vegan... In the best case scenario that's just laziness, but I feel that it's more a lack of real ethical stance despite what she kept saying. I can't really fathom how you can claim to be really, genuinely aware and concerned about the horror that is our 'consumption' of animals and its many ethical, environmental and even medical consequences, and then just 'no longer be vegan' because of acne and supposedly veganism-induced medical issues. But maybe that's just me.

So here are my opinions, not standing for any side of you two. First of all, I don't think veganism has reached the same level as feminism/environmentalism etc. does. Being vegan is, so far, a very personal choice and it doesn't mean that the person is superior to those who are not. If the vegan diet works for someone (I mean the ones that put common good as the real aim), then perfect; otherwise, for those who are REALLY suffering from health issues and decide to quit, no one has the right to blame them. Our society hasn't reached the point where the majority of people could obtain all the necessary nutrition elements in an economic way cause as one thing you said about minimalism, veganism is also a privileged thing. While for kids and adolescents, consuming certain kinds of animal products still remains indispensable. Personally, I think what's more important than sticking to extreme veganism it trying to consume locally and responsibly (just think about some certain vegan products that require long-way transportation which pollutes the planet vs. local products which make your area thrive). But definitely, the true goal and love behind this veganism movement need appreciation. The whole society progresses in that way.

incredibly thoughtful/insightful video, as per usual.

Next video coming "Why I'm no longer virgen" videos.

I came to ur channel after a year and its nice to see you

J’aime bien cette vidéo. Merci pour votre option sur le sujet. Aux États-Unis où j’habite c’est exactement ce que je vois aussi dans le média. J’ai un ami qui a commencé d’être un « influencer » et je peux déjà voir les changements dans son personnalité. Je suis plutôt « plant based » mais j’essaie de penser plus comme une végétalienne. Quel est votre avis pour traiter le stress. Je suis à l’université et c’est vraiment difficile de n’avoir pas l’anxiété.

I respect you so much and you are the person that inspired me to reconsider what I’m eating. I’m vegetarian currently but definitely will become fully vegan when I’m older as I’m still a teenager and don’t have that much freedom regarding dietary choices in my household unfortunately. I still drink oat and soya much more than regular milk so that’s some progress in the right direction

Always looove your intellect!! So well composed... you always give me new perspectives when you talk. I hope you accept my comment but it really is so brave of YOU to post this kind of video. Thank you

Do you supplement DHA and Iodine?

oh, man for a moment I thought you were no longer vegan, you almost broke my heart haha your voice is so different in english, love them both darling you’re adorable ! you have a big fan Brazilian ! gros bisous 😘❤️

(English version below) [FR] Tu fais la leçon comme quoi c'est une honte les gens qui arrêtent d'être vegan blablabla. Mais quand il s'agit de l'épilation et du fait que tu n'as pas pu aller au-delà de la pression de la société, tu cherches une excuse, alors qu'on pourrait te dire la même chose : "Tu ne donnes pas une bonne image de la femme etc" 😑😑 [EN] You say about people that it's a shame is they stop being vegan blah blah. But when it comes to hair removal and the fact that you have not been able to go beyond the pressure of society, you're looking for an excuse, when you could be told the same thing: "You don't give a good pattern of the woman etc " 😑😑

hello ! ca a (presque) rien à voir, mais est ce que tu te supplémentes en B12 ? Et est ce que tu as fait un test urinaire pour vérifier ton taux ? Ca pourrait expliquer tes migraines :) update : comme tu en as parlé, je suppose que oui, mais je te conseille quand meme de faire le test (tu as rien a perdre de toutes facons), des fois, ca peut juste etre le fait de pas avoir fait de cure d'attaque, par exemple

I've seen people start eating meat again because of a relationship... where's the integrity?! I didn't write down the date, but 4 years + I've been vegan. I really don't think we need meat, like at all, but maybe everyone is being influenced by other doctrines so whatever. Confirmation bias is a thing. very credible people saying we need meat and saying we don't need meat, so they agree. I personally don't crave it at all. also having a good body is a lifestyle, these people do this all the time, nothing wrong with valuing it, but it's a specific person who does that, most are sedentary also emotional stress is real, which nobody acknowledges. Also this society isn't build for us to thrive mentally, emotionally, and physically, so it will manifest itself with some illness, physical and mental, never acknowledging what is the root cause rather than perpetuating the same old outdated solution where people profit off of sick people. Also parasites are a reality and they love meat, so most likely their cravings aren't their own.

Hey. I understand what you're saying but I also understand why some people do these kind of videos, because I'm in this situation. I went vegan 3 months ago and keep loosing my hair since dramatically (though my diet is theoretically very well-balanced). It's difficult not to blame veganism when everyone around you (including your doctors) tell you that it IS the reason why. This hair loss won't stop even if I've been taking vitamins from my dermatologist for 3 months. I think I'll wait another month, but if this doesn't stop, I will certainly go back to 'eating animals' at least to try, I'm not ready to let all my hair fall before puting my diet into question And I can confirm that it's a very difficult situation, because ethically I don't feel capable of eating animals anymore. Hopefully this will cease soon enough, so that I don't have to...

I think I was watching a „reaction“/commentary video on freelee that was basically saying she was batshit crazy but as much as I get that some things she says are rubbing people the wrong way I got her point and kinda liked her radical message. I’m glad she’s the one that got me into veganism and is now talking about liberation of women AND capitalism. Her whole identity isn’t being vegan.

I think if a person really believes in veganism they will do whatever they can to keep doing it regardless of their situation, because I think being vegan is just one part of a person's well-being and of course there are a variety of ways to be vegan. Last last resort would be to incorporate animals into one's diet. But that is just my experience.

Very well said. I hope 'giving up veganism' doesn't become some kind of trend. The attention should stay on the animals

C'est clair, j'ai jamais compris l'intérêt de ce genre de vidéos, à part être ultra contre-productif envers le mouvement vegan.

Wow your skin looks so radiant and clear and full of life you look great and happy keep it up

100000 % agree with you. It is a mystery to me how one can solve any health problem, let alone, skin issue, by eating animal flesh! It is so well documented now in medicine literature how much unhealthy it is! It is recognized to be number one cause of inflammatory diseases, diabetes and also obesity. So... seems so absurd to me. I think these "former vegans" were not vegan actually. They had adopted a plant based diet. Which makes me question, exactly like you pointed out, about their intellectual honesty. Plus, this is so self-centered! How one can suddenly ignore the suffering, and decide out of the blue that it is morally acceptable to eat a sentient being??? because of skin problem??? this doesn't add up. And what about the environment? The impact on populations throughout the world??? Probably, they were not vegan to begin with. ...anyways, your analysis is so accurate as always. with love

Yes ,yes and yes !!! I have been noticing a wave of this kind of video lately ,followed by the wave of react videos ……..and then a wave of the react to the react videos. I just sincerely hope this side of RU-vid has not damaged any new vegans out there who are not as far along their journey yet ! (and nice new glasses:))

Thank you. I've only seen you and the VWPA podcast talk about this. I wish to ask these people who are apparently no longer vegan - do you plan on a day out at the aquarium or to the horse races? are you going to start buying animal leather and wool? would you like to take up recreational fishing for a hobby?? ....It reflects a lack of understanding of veganism. It is not a diet, it is a political stance.

I’m just curious here but what is the difference between vegan and plant based ?

Je suis d'accord avec toi sur la plupart des points. Merci de porter des analyses aussi intéressantes et fines sur des sujets comme celui-ci qui sont si soumis à débat. C'est souvent "à cause" de gens comme ça que le végétalisme est vu comme un régime ou un mode d'alimentation restrictif et c'est vraiment dommage. Par ailleurs, je voudrais ajouter que justement tous les symptômes qu'elle donne (digestion, déprime, etc...) sont aussi des symptômes de la sousnutrition. Quand j'étais anorexique, j'étais tout le temps déprimée et angoissée, j'avais des soucis de digestion... et je mangeais de la viande pourtant. J'ai commencé à aller mieux en partir grâce à mon passage au végétarisme, et aujourd'hui je suis quasi vegan (je sais que c'est un non sens d'être"quasi" et je travaille sur les derniers trucs qui me restent...) et je n'ai plus de tca. Donc... 0 rapport en réalité.

Merci beaucoup pour cette vidéo, Emy ❤️ D’autant plus que sa vidéo servira aux détracteurs du véganisme et que les problèmes qu’elle a eu ne sont pas liés au véganisme à proprement parler mais aux différentes conditions et "régimes" ! J’ai eu la même réaction que toi en lisant les commentaires sous sa vidéo qui parlaient de courage, etc! 🙄 Ce genre de vidéos montre juste que ces personnes voient plus le véganisme comme une mode et non tout l’aspect éthique qu’il y a ! 💖

Also I think it is hard for this current society to acknowledge how unhealthy it is for some(we are not all the same and have the same level of sensitivity and ability to cope with this world). We would have to acknowledge this is not normal and because this foundation isn't going away anytime soon, the body is reacting to this sick society we have created. not everyone has the same threshold for stress or the environment, predispositions, emotional trauma, all of this stuff which we are still.... unwilling to address, as if these people don't know their bodies and minds... invalidate them, gas light them because this whole foundation will not look at other alternatives, maybe not in our lifetime, but yeah.. it's not natural. and anything that is an alternative will be label with pseudo. and automatically discredited, which is obnoxious.

J'adhère complètement à ton point de vue, je suis "vegan" depuis début janvier et la transition est délicate (le temps d'avoir les bons réflexes, de compléter les placards, que le corps s'adapte).

She wasn't following nor HCLF nor rawtill4, so why do you do as if it's been the case recently.

For everyone in the comments, youre not vegan if youre not in it for the animals, BY DEFINITION of the vegan society. It was possible and practicable by any logical standpoint for Bonny to follow a low residue vegan diet by incorporating oil, mock meats etc to her allergen avoiding diet, she simply chooses not to and is hiding behind 'health' to make herself feel better about what she knows are unethical choices. Yes, it's difficult to be vegan, but doing the right thing is rarely easy ESPECIALLY when you are fighting for the rights of beings who are deemed lesser than. Especially when most people accept "mmm bacon" as a valid argument instead of "actually other animals are sentient, and in some cases possibly as or more intelligent than humans in regards to certain dolphins and whales (that btw suffer at the hands of the fishing industry Bonny now supports)". Political activists have been and are humiliated, assaulted, imprisoned illegally and outright MURDERED on a regular basis when fighting for change based on ethical principles. Bonny literally admits the only reason she stopped doing the low allergen diet she started that reduced her symptoms significantly AND WAS STILL VEGAN was because it wasnt 'satisying enough'. She is now on a similar low allergen diet with the incorporation of animal products....to Bonny and too many people in the movement, taste and vanity are valid enough reasons to harm animals and THAT is what hinders the movement. You cant change someones mind or behaviour by agreeing with them that theyre doing nothing wrong.....

Je rejoins parfaitement ton point de vue. J'ai vu la video et j'ai pensé la même chose. J'ai souffert d'acné et j'ai toujours de l'acné et moi je ne comprends pas que ça soit une raison suffisante d'abandonner les animaux et l'environnement. Mais ta réflexion sur la féminité et Instagram est super intéressante. Merci beaucoup de l'avoir partagé.

THANKYOU for this Excellent and rational response🙏💚

Thank you for making a video about this it was very important to make!

You are speaking English so I am using reverse engineering with auto subtitles in french for my french training hehehehe. You are so pretty...

i never understood why vegans dont show videos of goats eating live chicks. deers eating eggs. pigs drinking cow milk fro its tit. etc... nature.

Totalement d'accord avec toi sur toute la vidéo. Le veganisme n'a pas besoin de telles vidéos, mais de gens comme toi!

Quand j'ai vu t'a story disant "Quand les vues comptent plus que les animaux" je venais de voir la vidéo de la fille en question .. coïncidence, merci pour ce contenu

I agree 100% I've been vegan for a while and during this time I've across so many channels that promote veganism as a fitness diet and completely disregard the purpose of veganism. Contrary to this, there are very many channels that do present veganism in the correct light and show it as something that's attainable and for the good. I happen to hear a lot about veganism in my school as well and it's always about people slating it. I heard someone say they were going vegan just to get fit, and another said that yes they would kill that chicken "because chickens are ugly". To think that people are openly talking about a problem that is detrimental to not only animal welfare, but to the environment, and the morals that we were brought up on - for example, to not harm one another. Does that not apply to animals as well? I always feel as though the majority are missing the point of veganism. It's seen as a radical movement just because it's non-conformist to the status quo. If everyone asked themselves "is it correct to enslave and torture an individual for my own luxury?" maybe then the point would get across. And the worst part about this is that it would only apply to certain animals in the sense that it's okay to do this to bees, fish, pigs, cows, chickens and other farm animals, but it's evil to eat dogs and cats. How does that make sense? It's a warped perception in which people cannot escape because they can't see anything wrong with it. And animal is an animal. An animal is not an object that can be abused by humans. Humans are also animals, however we only care about what happens to our own species and feel that we should thrive at the expense of others. Woah I have so much more to say but it's quite hard to express. These are just a few of the things that I felt was the only place I could get off my chest. P.S I really love your channel and what you stand for😊🌻🧡

I have never seen her videos and now dont really want to give her another view. I really like and value your opinion though.

you said it all Emy, clap clap!! Let's all chill, be brave, and take a VEGAN BURRITO!

You cannot blame them for not being vegan but you can blame it for saying it if you have some sort of an audience. I would even say very influential people should say they are vegan even if they are not. Just an easy way to make a better planet.

Est ce possible d'avoir des sous titres français ? Parce que je capte rien

Thank you for this video, I feel you have handled the topic in an admirable way, with honesty and kindness.

YES! I keep thinking this. Why post these videos? Just for views? Someone could casually mention a change in their diet during their next meal planning video, or whatever. Or they could make a video focused on how to be as vegan as possible even if 'purist' veganism doesn't work for them. There has been a lot of publicity about influencers getting paid for videos, including 'bash' videos. It might sound crazy, but maybe influential and impressionable vegans are being paid by the very large animal agriculture industry to 'go back' from veganism. The dairy industry has been losing business in many countries and they have a whole lot of capital and infrastructure to behind their business model, so why not? That would honestly not surprise me.

Désolée mais de mon point de vue à la suite de cette réaction, je sens beaucoup de frustration, finalement peu d’ouverture et d’optimisme.

What about all the animals and insects which are killed during the farming process. You wouldn’t believe how many rabbits get chopped up in combine harvesters...

Merci pour cette vidéo :) ce qui me gêne dans ces vidéos c'est effectivement le fait qu'elles nuisent énormément à la cause et confortent les gens dans leurs habitudes. Personnellement j'ai des problèmes de peau et le véganisme n'a rien à voir avec ça. Par exemple certains compléments de b12 donnent pleins de boutons comme la natrol du coup j'ai arrêté d'en prendre et j'ai remplacé par un autre. Ensuite la chair et les sécrétions animales ne sont pas connues pour être bonnes pour la peau et la santé donc ces personnes se trompent en pensant "bien faire". De plus quelques boutons ne justifient pas la souffrance intolérable de milliards d'animaux et la destruction de la planète. Il faut revoir ses priorités... Il faut aussi savoir que les fritures et l'huile en général donnent des boutons et l'excès de protéines est mauvais pour la santé. Je pense aussi que certaines personnes qui deviennent véganes peuvent avoir peur pour leur santé pour plusieurs raisons d'une part la société rabâche sans cesse que cela provoque des carences et d'autre part en devenant végane on a souvent bien plus de connaissances en nutrition que la moyenne et on peut vouloir être "parfait" dans la façon dont on mange. Bien évidemment ce n'est pas le cas de tout le monde. Tant qu' on prend de la b12 et qu' on mange de tout (des végétaux) il n'y a pas de souci. Il faut aussi lâcher prise avec la nourriture surtout quand on a des problèmes d'image de soi. Pour ma part j'ai des problèmes de dépression et d'énormes problèmes d'anxiété du coup je prend des médicaments qui ne sont pas véganes et ça m'embête mais je ne peux pas faire autrement car tous les médocs sont testés. Ça m'empêche aussi de militer à mon grand regret... Certains troubles du comportement alimentaire ou troubles de la personnalité peuvent aussi être des freins au véganisme pour certains mais je sais qu' il y en a qui font de leur mieux pour avancer et y arriver. Aussi quand je faisais du sport je n'acceptais pas mon corps et je voulais toujours manger équilibré mais en tant que féministe je pense qu'il ne faut plus montrer cette image de la femme qui est très néfaste. En tout cas merci de parler de ce sujet.

If you think eating vegan is cruelty free you have never been a farmer. We all as humans even if you are an indigo crystal child have blood within us and on our hands, it is life. Life eats all life and veggies grow from bones, blood, urine and poo. If you love nature and its creations so much, maybe learn to accept what it is and your place. We are not cartoons or pure in any way.

tu as vraiment le don de poser des mots sur ce que je n'arrive pas toujours à me formuler à moi-même. merci beaucoup pour cette vidéo!!!

Ton message est très positif et très bien expliqué. Merci pour cette contribution. Surtout ce que tu dis sur les personnes qui peuvent avoir des bas mais qui restent véganes. Je trouve que c'est quelque chose qu'on doit tout le temps rappeler. Ces vidéos avec ce titre sont faites pour se dédouaner d'une façon ou d'une autre et c'est dommage.

I had a KFC ad before watching.. I think RU-vid is against veganism

there is no excuse to go back to eating animals flash and products. its not a diet choice, its an ethical position. look in their eyes.

watching this while eating my big bowl of rice, chickpeas and avocado

Your French accent is the cuteeest