WHY I QUIT ART SCHOOL 

I feel you on this so much! Stuck out the full degree in painting, but FIGHTING to work representationally for 4 straight years was ROUGH. The culture is elitist and classist!!! So glad to see youre here on youtube. We gotta build a more informal and approachable art world for real humans

YOU can create your own ART school... 1) paint 2) paint 3) paint

What a great rant! I taught myself to paint when I was 12 (in 1973), had my first teacher when I was 13 - just one summer, about 9 or 10 lessons. Entered my paintings in a group show at the end of that summer. Loved every minute of those early years. Always took art classes in high school and university (while studying other subjects). Supplemented my training at night at the School of Visual Arts in NYC. Had day jobs for years, painted and took extra courses at night in all kinds of visual art. And now, at 63, I teach adults how to draw and paint here in the Southwest of France. What's the point of this story? Agnes, you are in control of your art - and your art training. Seek out training from people who will teach you what you want to learn, either from individual artists, or formal ateliers, internet, etc. The problem with art school is accreditation. To be accredited, a school must make you jump through all kinds of hoops to show that you are receiving a "well-rounded" education, which has f**k-all to do with what artists need to learn. I feel your frustration and I encourage you to understand the difference between "art school" and seeking the training you need to achieve your creative goals. Jim

Imo you were the most artist person in the school. Art isn't about making things "only highly enlightened people can understand because, you know, "normal" people are too dumb to understand", it's about making pieces that you express yourself through and that people can feel emotions and relate to

I went to art college in California for 2 years in 1993. You make great points. I was also maddened by their love of abstract. Being an artist is great but going to school for it is ridiculous on all levels. Real art learning happens in work environments and personal projects. Art college had zero real effect on my skill or income. If a degree is all you want, get it in different lucrative field, then graduate and get literally any job doing what you makes you happy. I sound like a dad but that is my best advice.

This is not only a problem in the art industry/academe but the whole rotten educational system. Education should be enriching and is adaptable to students and must nourish them.

Art schools have one purpose: crank out more art teachers for art schools and continue the sales' pitch so that more students enroll and pay tuition, finish their programs and become art teachers. It's a self perpetuating scheme.

I am 19, I attended RISD for exactly a week. Now I do freelance art full time!

so real. so much of this was exactly what i went thru... i had a voice in my head that said that continuing with art school would likely cause me to stop enjoying the process of making art forever 🥲 after dropping out, it took many years for me to be able to make art regularly again let alone identify publicly as an artist. its been almost a decade of working through the traumatic and negative associations i had with making art and being an "artist". i truly believe that everyone should have access to art and have the opportunity to be inspired to create things that are meaningful regardless of external expectations. hopefully your video reaches all those who also feel ostracized by the traditional institutional art industry/scene and become encouraged to stay true, manifest their creative visions and build a supportive community ❤

I did a foundation year at Central Saint Martins. So excited. Felt like I was about to start my life. So many people I studied with become severely mentally ill and there was no pastoral care. One of the fashion teachers told my friend's class "don't eat, don't sleep, don't fall in love" to focus on developing art and she developed anorexia. We also did no technical training, so I felt very disillusioned. Sorry you didn't have the experience you wanted, you're not alone 💛

One of the best things an art school will do is teach the student how to "see." Often students that go to an art school can't observe the objects accurately. This can also be self-taught, but a good school can speed up the process ten-fold. Once I heard this from one of the professors, I started to focus on that concept specifically.

Hello, a former art school studet here. A few months ago I recently transferred out of art college. I realized how unnecessary some of the classes were. I started thinking "when am I ever going to draw, am i good enough. I have now transferred to a normal university. The weird part of art school was having to think non-representationaly. I wanted to dive straight into my career. Classes were long and some days I would have to build a structure and than sit their bored for the last 2 hours. I hated the classes too. I realized how pointless, 2d and 4d was. I found myself wanting to learn academically, I felt in a way "dumb". Dumb meaning I am taking these so called easy classes while my friends are expanding their knowledge at normal college. This is my experience at art college. Everyone has a different opinion and this is just my opinion.

It's so hypocritical to talk about the ambiguity of art and how there isn't a set way you have to do it, but then turn around and set a 'right path' and the 'right reason' to make art for students it's such bullshit.

I had a similar experience and was isolated for most of my degree course. There were some really badly thought out projects that made me want to leave, but I stayed and fought. By leaving you have become a real artist and it's something to be proud of.

In regard to point 1, I agree that it feels like a waste of time doing stuff you aren’t interested in, however at least for me the whole reason I went to art school was to take myself out of my comfort zone. Some people don’t want that and that’s ok! It’s really important to do a bunch of research as to what you’re getting into

Absolutely the same experience. I am glad you quit when you realized you've had enough! I went through all the way and I swear I stopped drawing for a year after my graduation because of the amount of mental train these people's way of thinking had placed upon my relationship to my identity and the art, as art is an extension of the self, imo. And those people forced me to be them instead of me for 4 years straight. Really glad you escaped timely and are currently pursuing your own interests + spreading your pov!! Thanks!

Currently finishing up my last year of art school and I feel THE SAME. I wish i quit after one term and pursued technique-focused figurative studies in ateliers instead. You are so wise and brave and so young too! Congratulations on making the right decisions for you.

oh..by the way.. Daniel Clowes (the writer/artist of Ghost World) has drawn some funny comic strips about the art school experience. They were put in his collected book "Eightball". I don't know if it's hard to find that book now though, it's from the 90s. in fact,,,I think his "art school confidential" strip was made into a film. He even had a fantasy art classmate who only painted dragons.

By the way I actually like your mouldy paintings too! There is still something poetic in those :), genuinely

Paying too much attention to haters is a waste of time. You do you, no apologies. Forge your own path, I'm sure you can do it. Good luck! Oh yeah, your art is awesome ^_^

7:52 crazy that a guy that puts trash together mindlessly and calls it “meaningful” even though the whole schtick surrounding his art is that it’s “all bullshit and anti-art” has the audacity to call anybody else’s work meaningless. Sounds like every other “edgy alternative” man trying to be relevant. He’s not special, neither is his rearranged garbage.

Never went to school for art .just keep drawing and painting you will always get better.

I can relate to much of what you say. I enjoyed art school to a degree, but I also found it very frustrating and disheartening experience. If I'd known back then what I know now, I would have taken a very different route as, ultimately, every artist has to teach themselves anyway, through repeated practice, and trial and error.

I did a year of art college in the UK 22 years ago. It was an amazing atmosphere - it was the last few years of the UK non-corporate, old fashioned, grimy uni atmosphere really - grimy, smoky cafes, bars and flats full of cool, intellectual people - so I'll never forget the atmosphere, but the course was a mistake. I didn't realise they expected you to have ideas for an abstract, personal set of work or personal style already. I thought it was going to be just the learning the history of art part while perfecting my style. And I wasn't really "into" art, I didn't go to art galleries on my own and stuff then - I was expecting to pick that up on the course- and the other people on the course were much more ahead of me in terms of knowing the current art scene and knowing galleries, local artists etc. I wasn't a total anti-intellectual, I was willing to pick up the philosophy side of it. I don't think they'd have been fights like the one described in this video either, we all liked each other and none of us wanted to criticize what the others were doing. Oh and... there was this really unstable guy who printed animal/bestial p*rn off the internet (which we were all new to then, this being 2002), and reproduced it painted in big. I think he wanted to top Jeff Koons. I don't remember if he got in trouble, his work was thrown out but i don't think he suffered any repercussions, even for inflicting that on non-consenting classmates (and that stuff is illegal here). It was surely a different time.

This is uncanny how much I can relate to your experience. I feel like most of the things you talk about here was thought or said by me at some point. For me, art was an outlet for as long as I can remember, I felt good at it, and tbh, it was the only consistent thing in my life. I went to art-profiled high school, and somehow (despite my depression flaring up at that time) I managed to finish it. So I was absolutely sure that going to art school was the most logical next step. Well, turns out it wasn't. For me it also wasn't a good fit, and the reasons are very similar as in your case. I felt like I was thrown into a place where I had to feel creative on command, because that's when my classes started, and I sure as hell couldn't do it. Then there was the issue of lots and lots of courses that weren't even remotely related to the field of study I chose, but I had to pass those too, to be able to continue doing what I really came there for. I just couldn't muster the energy to keep up with everything, and it made me think like I wasn't creative enough, skilled enough, persistent enough. So, I never finished it. I even tried at two different colleges, hoping that maybe I will do better at the second one. I didn't. So, my guess is, organized education just isn't my cup of tea 🙃 But after a few years and some thinking, I'm finally sure that there's nothing wrong with that. Cheers, I loved your video, and your art is absolutely amazing ❤

lol me watching this when I’m going to art school in the fall😢but I’m glad you found your way in the end and stuck to your individual art style

Every professional artist out there says don’t go to art school. You’re spending like $500,000 for like four years and a lot of the people who graduate can’t even get a job if you’re working in like the movie industry or for concept art you don’t need to go to school they only care about your portfolio, you can learn everything you need to online or through Books. The only reason you would want to go to art school if you want to be like a professor to teach at university or something they’re actually closing like 60% of the schools in the US now because they’re so expensive and nobody going to them.

This was such a good video, thank you so much for making this! It’s really good to hear someone talk about our school for European perspective, as most of the videos are from American perspective. As someone who lives in the UK, I think our arts education system is similar, as we do a foundation course before university, that is also very experimental. As someone who also has a strong idea what I want to do, that’s more towards painting and illustration, I also feel the same way about doing a very experimental and unfocused course. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and experiences, it’s been really helpful hearing this!

I subscribed! I have horrible experience with art school I didn't drop out but it was hell on earth 😢😢 Thank you for this video

sorry for sounding a bit aggressive on this video😂 i still have trouble putting these last few years into words. But if you have any experience with art school, please share your experience in the comments so people can get a less biased understanding and expectations ❤ thankyou for watching❤

Hey, your art is really incredible and beautiful. I found your account yesterday and it’s my new favorite art channel. The world would be less beautiful if there was only one style of art. You were put on this planet for a purpose, and you are very deeply loved. Your eye for fine art detail sets you apart from conceptual art, and that’s not a bad thing. Lean into the art you love creating, and know that you have people who are watching your content and rooting for you. Everything is okay and everything will continue to be okay ❤

As someone who was planning to join art school thanks. It’s nice to see this perspective since I too don’t work particularly well with schedules

älskar dig agnes!!!!

this is very interesting. Personaly, i think you can totally be an artist without going to school, seriously, outsider art is the best kind of art. There are tons of artists who started of as anthropologists, architects, even jarnitors (like Henry Darger), and they still get recognized by the institution. Your classmates are very dumb for laughing at your art, there's no difference between figurative paintings and conceptual art, just because right now conceptual art and video art are trending and get paid more, doesn't mean figurative paintings are at "lower level", they kinda have a prejudice towards realistic painting. But you saying that his anti-art art was pretentious was also not a nice thing. At the end of the day, we are all artists as long as we create art, no matter which institution we went through.

I have always gotten annoyed with the expectation for artists to have a "this is x to symbolize y" reason for making something...as an artist I usually don't have a reason for making any of my art aside from "I thought it would look cool". Sometimes an apple is just an apple, and sometimes a shadow was an accidental smudge from your hand but *poof* now it's a shadow person

Amen! What's wrong with realism? The art world is just an endless series of gate keepers that mostly serves itself! Stay with your convictions; they will serve you well😊

I enjoyed listening to your experience and opinion it's given me something to think about when it comes to art school and their philosophy. On an editing note, I encourage you to lengthen the time the photos are on screen. I would have liked to look at them longer as you spoke to absorb them a little. ^-^

Painter to painter, heart to heart, i couldn't agree with you more! The industry really sucks !! I was lucky to attend an art conseratory for high school and squeezed all the sap i could out of my training there. But i couldn't justify indebting myself forever (in the States) to go to art school for university and be forced back into square one, drawing cubes and spheres in graphite. And deal with everyone in "the scene", which is really just a cool kid competition. The whole institution is so fanatical, ironically. So annoying. I spent years working in entertainment instead thinking it would satisfy me creatively, but it didn't, and I'm finally returning to myself now. Painting again. I'm happy to hear you stay true to yourself and honor your creative voice. This is what we need!

Literally My experience in art for teachers education. After a while I just forced my ideas and my interests into the classes 😅 I had to pull out so much conceptual bullshit I’ve literally came up with on the go because my fascination with light and shadow wasn’t good enough. And then you get critiques from professors who can’t draw realism nor understand what it’s really about, to them you’re just copying even though you simplified, exagurated etc. They have no fucking idea what they’re talking about. They had me so disillusioned with art that I started thinking of myself as a designer because I had no interest of being part of them. Thankfully I overcame that.

I completed my BFA in Painting and a minor in Sculpture from State University at Buffalo and the professors and lecturers gave space to ideas that weren’t aligned with their own. Everyone has their preference and bias but my artwork flourished in that environment and I created a foundation and built connections during this experience that are still paying off a decade after I graduated. I feel so bad that so many have been held back or even given up because of dogmatic lectures.

I really identify with you about the elitist world of art. I am also a designer and it’s the same in that world. Just create your own world on your terms. I would love to see more of your work.

I agree with you completely- I had a very similar experience and I've really struggled to find joy and purpose in creating art again

You're speaking from my soul... Thanks for this video💚💚💚

Art is the freedom of your expression.Be you and love what you create and what you create will be yours and be amazing.Paint your way and this will get you noticed. I m a 57 year old artist who has been creating from childhood. I made money painting for people portrait commissions.Now that I’m retired I just finally paint what I want and then I get my passion for painting and I love painting for my self and for my soul.Keep painting and I love your work so unique.

This reminds me of Albert Camus’ Create dangerously in the sense that those people doing the opposite of what society wants is just as soulless as doing the same as what society wants and an artist should do what they resonate with.

If you search for the teachers you admire and want to learn from, which takes searching out, then you will benefit from their knowledge. I don't think throwing out all learning to be 'your own voice' is the best way to go. Unless you search out how paint works, assuming you are learning painting. Self teaching takes a lot of time. There are many books that one can buy. For me, sculpture is easy until you get into bronzes, then you will have to learn from somebody. Painting is relatively easy, if you're talented, on the concept of application, but learning to change something from three dimensional to two dimensional is the tricky part- and make it believable.

As someone who went to a folk high school myself to try out animation and as someone who has a vocational school degree in art, its important to know when applying to FHS that its not a school in the same sense as vocational school or university. Its a prep school for art school for people who want to try out new stuff and learn the basics for proper art school, so they arent out of their depth when they get there. It also isnt as personalised as real schools as everyone has the same courses except maybe one optional. Its a great place to go try out new things, but it really shouldnt be considered the same as real art school where you get your own study plan and can choose your courses and have enough time to do them. Courses in vocational schools were over two months versus in FHS where they are maybe two weeks or so. Also you will get no degree from there and they often cost money so you really have to think wether its worth it if you know what you wanna already do.

When I went to gymnasiet I got to visit a folkhögskola/högskoleförberedande utbildningar and honestly it was exactly like what you described even back in 2018-2019. Doing a lot of different things just for the sake of trying things and nowhere did anything about teaching the art fundementals or specific path in the education. These kinds of schools are for those that aren't really sure what they want to do artistically and that has it's place. But for people like us that know what we like to do and have a clear goal with our art I honestly don't know if many art schools in Sweden can provide what you need. I've had some aquintances even go to denmark or other countries for things like concept art and more directed educations. My solution was mostly doing self-learning and looking for pockets of knowledge online (though I'd like to find something irl just haven't yet.).

I 100% agree with this your point about abstract art. It’s nice but some of us like to tell a story with our art and we want that story to be understood by everyone. You shouldn’t need an essays to explain your art because it’s just a bunch of squiggle lines or a meaningless red paint stroke across a canvas. Sounds like some of your old classmates are jealous. Creative fields have become even more classist and less diverse than 30 years ago because of the arrogance and lack of funding (in the UK anyway). I feel like some creatives almost want to keep it that way and don’t want diversity in the field.

I'm really not sure why there are so many comments saying, "You didn't do enough research." LIKE FIRST OF ALL, researching/reading/looking into a program is *completely different* than actually being in the program itself! It's literally the equivalent of reading a job description and working the job. It's always going to be different in some aspect when you're actually there. I read amazing things about my art program in school and even had friends going there at the time recommending it to me, but actually being there was not at all what I thought it would be. Trying new things like this is what makes us realize as artists what our true path is. With or without school.

Omg that so some thing new, I was thinking going to an art school, and with my capabilities but if they have different methods than mine and it comes with lots of unnecessary intention, then I don't want to waste my time for it as well. This video is really an eye opener, tysm

11:36 is actually interesting because what you say about not liking the elitist, snoobish "cultured people vs general public" is exactly what I felt about this online art course I was taking at the time. They were strictly a classical type course that supposedly teaches the secrets of the old masters, but the problem was that there were a lot of ideals they had that turned me further off from classical and academic art as a whole. They didn't believe in using pencil sharpeners referring to them as "a kid's toy" they shunned ever using blend stumps, they completely would shit on other artists who would use specific shading techniques like the 5-pencil method. And they were heavily against using photo references saying that it could stifle your creative potential as an artist and that "as a professional fine artist" you were only to draw from life. To be fair, I do encourage drawing from life to better understand how things work in 3d that can better help you translate it on a 2d surface, but I also understand that not everyone (myself included) has the luxury of having a life drawing class they can go to on a daily basis to practice from real life models, not everyone can afford those expensive ass plaster cast reproductions of The David, and if you're working a typical 9 to 5 job (like most people do) Then sure as hell not everyone has the time, or space to make models of a face or cast to practice on from scratch, but they would never account for that and I would read in the comment sections to their RU-vid videos of people bringing up some of these same points and they would respond quite snobbishly with stuff like "Just use a mirror to draw your own face" and stuff of that nature. They had a lot of these videos on their channel where they would try to sell you on their course, and they talk about a lot of the ideas they think about what it takes to become a real artist. Much of it is just them boasting about how great their Russian art schools are while deliberately using the worst examples of schooling from other countries to imply that they are the best there is compared to everyone else in art education. They also would say stuff like "There is no such thing as a self-taught artist" and believed that true art skills only came from "having a good teacher" which was basically just another ploy for them to sell their program to you. In addition to what I've mentioned, they also had this insane judgmental system where they rated a good artist to bad on a scale from 0 to 3, and it was insane indeed. They would say that if you lacked understanding of any of the elements of composition which they taught (there were 15 of them) then you were at level 0 regardless. It all just came across as so pompous and crazy to me, and the snobbish tone in which they talked didn't help with that either. It completely reinforced the bias I had against classical art and art education that it was all just a snobby, pompous, and elitist practice. I actually don't like a lot of renaissance art anymore because now I can't not associate it with all the things I've mentioned, but I still try daily not to let experiences like this get in the way of me being open minded to more traditional forms of art since I have started to find interest in a bit more traditional academic artworks like John William Waterhouse and William Morris Hunt, but now I'm mostly into more fantasy esque/animeish type art that's completely stylized, but still manages to pull of a bit of that classical/painterly type look like with Dinoartforame and Xilmo.

I am fortunate enough to go to a university where the tutors had similar experiences to this when they attended art school. While this has created a system that encourages us to challenge the university, it is still a pathway that is roadblocked by finances and right now it is incredibly expensive to live as a student in my country. I can relate to your experience, as although there are concept art degrees as well as fine arts and design etc., I have more of an interest in the artistic trades like jewellery, tattoo, smithing etc. I think we have forgotten about and are missing the importance of apprenticeships. I would be much happier there than in university.

broo im currently going trough this, i have so many conflicting feelings about my experiences but ultimately im just glad i realized that this simply isnt for ME. I cant quite deal with the fact that ive wasted the last two years of my life so ill try powering trough one more year to finish it, but damn sometimes the thought of having a minimum wage job feels more freeing and exciting than the thought of having to go back to a free art uni with extremely nice people and professors, which makes me feel crazy but im glad im not the only one feeling this way. Like in a way it feels like one huge after-school activity but its happening all day, every day, with no prior actual "school" time to take a break from, so its just hours after hours of doing nothing that you actually wanna do, but its not "hard" per say, so i end up just feeling kinda dumb in this weird space in between?? Cant bring myself to actually care about the projects, not being able to concentrate while working at the school, and just constantly being bored and unmotivated, drains me in a way ive never experienced before in my life. Only right now, that ive basically been forced to take a short break to finish all the classes i skipped out on (i genuinely couldnt keep up with so many projects all at once), did i finally get a chance to breathe and rediscovering the reason WHY i do art in the first place is what made my life purpuseful again, and art school was the one thing preventing me from actually taking a breather and THINKING about what i ACTUALLY wanna do this whole time, in a way i feel fucking robbed of my time but at least i know this aint it.

My mother in law is also Agness, and I went to art Schoole on Austin Texas back in the good old days 2002. There were no internet or phones, it was a nice time.

This is why I said 'Hell No!' to a Fine Art degree as a comic/concept art/ illustration girlie GCSE and A Level (Fine) Art was HELL. Never knew what the teacher or exam boards wanted for a high grade and it really made me depressed and anxious to create art. 😢 I'd much prefer an atelier to hone technical skills, and seek out tution from my favourite artists via (online) classes. Pity a uni degree is the only one you can get funded.

Sometimes a residencey is better than art school if you know exactly what you want to do. Also, most ‘art school’ is to enter you into the contemporary art world. If you are interested in entering design world, illustration world, licencing world, production art, or just art in general as individual versus aiming to enter into the large river of contmeporary art as a field - then aet school is not for you. And, sometimes if you want to enter the contemporary art world but you have undiagnosed mental health issues (this was me) and a pace and style of work that isnt easily verbalized then art school can be a slow rolling life killiing disaster. I think art school does work for some poeple though. I dont know how you can determin if you are that person before entering though. Making art and being in the art world are two very very differnt things and skills - I think if you know that then you can make your way through. And, you have to do both in art school.

I've been on a personal art journey for the past three years or so, I've done most things alone and taken small free courses you can do here in my country, and I've learned so much by myself. But my biggest problem is I feel very lonely on this path, I've considered going back to school and getting an art degree mainly because I hate doing this by myself all the time.

I am feeling the effects of "realism being the most boring form of art" from the teachers and other art students at my school. :(

I would've made a better experience at art school if I had an artistic voice to begin. I loved learning techniques, I have fond memories of art school, but I simply wasn't mature enough in terms of personal voice. I was also disillusioned by how insulated the whole circle is, with their galleries for more people like them. I realized that I wanted to go in a different direction.

I fully appreciate everything you said!

You must think seriously what you want to do and why, I quit my art course at the last hurdle, too much to do even for part-time. They where so hard on schedule, rigid. To them I was struggling. I wouldn't consider myself and artist just artistic.

There is something mesmerizing about Scandinavian rage. It's like seeing your 80 year aunt swear after spilling her tea. So much repressed anger unleashed.

School can teach you craft... it can NOT teach you art. This is the one conclusion I came too during my stint in art school. Art is a personal journey you invite others to ride along with you on IF they're so inclined. Everything else is business and BS...

Honestly I think the old masters told their students to draw first cause paint was expensive back then XD

I also love classic fine arts. Portrait drawings and skilled pencil work is what i like. True art is in fact a skill

in art school at the moment and oh im struggling so hard. attending class feels useless sometimes and it breaks my heart because i wanted to enjoy this so much but i really just disagree with the course structure and culture. i also notice a lot of people in my course struggling and being discouraged (+breedings this weird comparison and disparity in quality of work) just because of the course's lack of emphasis on foundational skills and i dont think art has to be based on technical skill level at all (they emphasise that so much lol) but i think it is still so important because it is a building block to work from, it builds confidence to express more conceptual ideas if that makes sense. and that aside yeah i personally just struggle socially, i guess theres a certain crowd that to me feel really pretentious and judgey to people outside their bubble i find it hard to connect idk

so real, i just got a place at a really good school i love art but i’m not sure if my mental health can handle art school and having to explain and justify everything that i create i’m honestly considering declining…urghh

Luv ur style + this video 🥰will be tuned in 4sure ✌🕉

you are a true artist . . .. ... ..... ........

To me your an artist whether you went to art school or not. The important thing is to be true to yourself about being an artist. Me I’m a beginner artist painting and drawing and some photography. I learned a lot about RU-vid videos then I started painting and drawing. I never went to art school. Whether you choose to go to art school or not you still an artist. And I noticed your art works are fabulous and you are very good at it. Be true to yourself be free as an artist and enjoy it. I just subscribed to your channel. Cuz your videos are fascinating. See you in the next one. Cheers. 😎😎😎🔥🔥🔥☕️☕️☕️

The same thing is wrong with art schools as schools in general. It's called heard mentality. Many art schools throughout the U.S. are now failing and closing for the same reason. Costs are too high and they fail to teach what each individual needs. I learned the most from local professionals offering 3 hr evening painting lessons. The rest I learned on my own and Ive changed styles many times. Art school still would make since for the super wealthy that can afford to waste a lot of time. Like she claims, there is so much BS schools teach that people will never need to know in their lifetime.

An artist-in-residency would have been a better fit for you. It is more self-guided and you still get the networking benefits.

I like your way of thinking ❤

Well said- all of it! I hate “artist speak and attitude” I want to learn, I create out of love for the subject and beauty, to add more positive and beautiful to this already beautiful world

love this video - honestly, the only thing degree says about an artist is that they've been brainwashed by overpaid stuck up idiots who I wouldn't trust to wash my floors or make a sandwich at a corner shop. Ditched the art education myself, minus the 3D animation and VFX school and taking private lessons in an atelier with artists I loved and trusted. Art schools became so shit nowadays its really sad

I like that you dont like all of this stuff! A voice that needs to be heard And art that can communicate that

I left my Masters program. State schools want to fill their programs with anyone, you needed to go to an Atiller art School for fine art, that takes dedication and skill... sincerity.

I quit from animation, design and digital art degree... I didn't like that life style

It's interesting to see the culture of the arts there. Living as an art student here in a third world country, there is little gap between the masses and the rich (in the art school i go to) Almost everyone in art school here are encourage to create art for the masses regardless of what socio economic background. Abstract art is also looked down upon here 😂 Our university is service oriented, which means what we do must go back to our community. To promote our culture in the midst of imperialist influence. However I get what you're saying that art school is a waste of time. Im also going through this myself. Recently I realized what I truly wanted to do with my art. When you have a clear vision of what you want you find that art education isnt even necessary. At the end of the day, they're trying to teach you new things in order for you to enhance your creativity but as a profession. Which means you don't even get to make art for yourself. Youre being trained to create art for other people for their projects. But that is not what art is for me. For me art is something purely for myself. A reflection of who I am and the things I love. I realize that I am already experiencing and promoting culture by simply existing in it. Despite being self indulgent with my art. I still want to give back to my community. And I think creating art by being in the present already helps promote our culture and national identity.

You were actually pretty lucky they challenged you into thinking about other genres and artforms. The Academy i studied in Europe(vienna, austria) was very old and traditional so when i applied with painting that descison basically stuck with me for six years, it ruined alot for me, i wanted to get exposed too other different forms of art

100% agree. It's still school, even if it's art, filled with ego and rules. It's all a bit wanky. I dig some design school, I get what they were teaching, but I wasn't the right fit, and left because I wanted to make album covers but make cereal boxes. Found art competitions the same, they were just patting the back of their art friends. We are all equal, and should be appreciated equally. Whatever you make, you will meet folks that love what you do, and we shouldn't care what naysayers think. I ended up designing tshirt art at a screenprinter, then a games company saw my private fantasy work and I did game art for a decade. Eventually did band art, just because they dug my stuff. They kinda found me. So I reckon, keep your course, onward and upwards, by just doing you.

This video makes me feel way more secure in my decision to not go to art school. It also reminded me of when i was in excel tecc for studio art and how much i hated it during my second/final year, along with how i now think that my teacher for that class wasn't just being a dickhead (even tho he was), that he was more or less a part of a bigger problem, that being the institutions and how they operate. They seem to see art through a snobbish and monetary lense rather than see art for what it actually is, an expression of the soul of one's being and not just something to put on your wall as you pretend to be "deep" with a stick up your ass.

I made the leap of faith to devote myself to my art and got burned. It isn't worth it.

I don't know what its like where you're at, but from where I'm at it seems to be more important to have frequent exhibitions than to make quality artworks. That means making something completely mediocre just so you can "soup up" your CV by having a show every few months. An artist is held in higher regard the more shows they had instead of the quality of their work. At the academy I studied, they made a girl who graduated an assistent because she frequently held exhibitions. The thing is: She is a completely mediocre draftsmen and painter, and she's there to give advice to young students on how to draw/paint, many of who are better than her. Its sad how nepotism and elitism is prevalent exactly where you expect it shouldn't be.

I’m watching this while trying to do concept a set of illustrations for a art scholarships

You're such a pure soul ❤ .....u said at art school teachers start teaching like: this is horse which represents society blah blah....😂😂😂......... Right ...... just like social media art is way to control minds and taunt/criticize something ....and u didn't like it 🎉🎉🎉

Aaaalllssoo - abstraction in art evoled over 100-150 years ago in western culture and is ANCIENT in terms of human image making so that tradition is also old and steeped in deep history etc.

Great video!

My take is that there are 2 main components - art skill and art concept. The problem is that art school has to exist in a university context and therefore they push concept and disregard skill. My experience as an artist however is that the 2 need to be developed together, even skill before concept. It's ridiculous to get young adults out of high school in and expect them to go high finished conceptual with very basic skill building. We all have our own bias so I would look carefully at the graduates of a course as well as the instructors. If you're not vibing with it then don't go. Note: I was rejected by art school and ended up doing design. I did a mfa however.

Please, don't pursuit a career in politics.

I applied to Berlin's art school three times and wasn't accepted😅 so I took it as a sign that maybe it's not the way for me. I understand the frustration of feeling like u r wasting ur time

I started listening and then drifted off. Was brought back to reality by "Fucking education, this video went off the rails." What did I miss? Those creative people...

I haven’t watched the complete video (I’m at 5:19) but I see so many parallels to why I quit dance school - I felt ripped off because they did have quality training but they just gave no info beforehand and so it didn’t take me where I wanted to be - and i had that feeling they owed me because I gave up so much to move there and then they treated me like they didn’t care if I had no chance to make it. Why accept me then? The leaving the studio after 2 hours and not being able to paint/ (dance in my case) when you want/ need to. Ugh. Also that negative attitude and stuff - I relate so much, I mean you go there expecting to receive support on your career development because they advertise their school that way, but then it just doesn’t happen, and my stubbornness didn’t help me either. When I reflect I absolutely made mistakes from my part which lead to me feeling not only the wish but the need to quit, but others made it hard for me too (students and teachers) from the start. Dear, I think you knowing where you wanted to go and staying true to yourself and therefore seeming /feeling “stubborn” and negative might have just saved you from living according to other people’s standards and sabotaging yourself to do something you didn’t want to do.

I went to scenic art school for 2 months. Everybody there is so pretentious it's crazy, it was basically Twitter but every argument was about something subjective. Hated it.

Wasn’t hitler 7:25 the only true Art fascist? 😅

This is exactly what I expected from an art school and why I decided not to go there 😕

I would have had the identical issues. Noway!!

You look very similar to Awkwafina the actress 😊

Nothing wrong with art school if you're doing it just as a hobby and have no idea where to start. A beginner's class is fine. I would never take more than a couple of classes. Getting a degree in art will not help you make real money. The cost is way too high in most cases for so little return. Also, there are some good YT videos for free.